Ollie's Bargain Outlet - Earnings Call - Q3 2025
December 10, 2024
Executive Summary
- Q3 showed resilient execution despite transitory headwinds: net sales rose 7.8% to $517.4M, gross margin expanded 100 bps to 41.4%, and diluted EPS increased 13.7% to $0.58, driven by favorable supply chain costs and disciplined expense control.
- Comparable-store sales declined 0.5% as hurricanes, a flyer shift to Q4, Big Lots liquidations, and warm October weather weighed on seasonal categories; management cited accelerating trends into Black Friday and early Q4.
- Guidance was narrowly adjusted (lowered net sales range; other key metrics maintained), reflecting Q3 outcomes and timing of store openings; gross margin outlook held at 40% and adjusted EPS range was maintained.
- Forward catalysts: record store pipeline driven by acquired Big Lots and 99 Cents Only boxes, new Illinois DC capacity (up to ~750 stores), and younger loyalty cohort growth; management now targets a minimum of 10% unit growth in FY2025 with front-loaded openings.
- Versus estimates: EPS beat by $0.01 ($0.58 vs $0.57), revenue missed by $1.4M ($517.43M vs $518.83M); S&P Global consensus was unavailable—figures from MarketBeat.
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
What Went Well
- Gross margin expansion of 100 bps to 41.4% on lower supply chain costs; operating margin up 50 bps to 8.6% with adjusted EBITDA +17% YoY.
- Record 24 new store openings; management highlighted faster-than-usual ramp in “warm” acquired sites and continued pipeline strength, underpinned by a strong balance sheet and vendor credibility.
- Positive management tone on demand for consumables and select discretionary categories; quote: “We delivered strong earnings on higher sales, gross margin, and disciplined expense control” — John Swygert.
What Went Wrong
- Comparable-store sales fell 0.5% due to flyer timing shift, two major hurricanes, Big Lots liquidations, and unseasonably warm October impacting seasonal goods.
- SG&A deleveraged 40 bps to 29.9% on lower comps and higher selling expenses associated with new store openings; pre-opening expenses also rose with acquired locations.
- Mix created ~20 bps gross margin drag from consumables; freight tailwinds expected to fade after Q3, muting future supply chain benefits — “this is the last quarter of significant benefit of freight”.
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good morning and welcome to Ollie's Bargain Outlet's conference call to discuss the financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2024. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and interactive instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised this call is being recorded, and the reproduction of this call, in whole or in part, is not permitted without express written authorization of Ollie's. Joining us on the call today from Ollie's Management are John Swygert, Chief Executive Officer, Eric van der Valk.
Eric van der Valk (President)
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Operator (participant)
Certain comments made today may constitute forward-looking statements and are pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, as amended. Such forward-looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. These risks and uncertainties are described in our annual reports on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q on file with the SEC and in the earnings press release. Forward-looking statements made today are as of today's date of the call, and we do not undertake any obligation to update these statements. On today's call, the company will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures.
Reconciliation of the most closely comparable GAAP financial measures to the non-GAAP financial measures is included in our earnings press release. With that said, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Swygert. Please go ahead.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thank you and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining our call today. We had another great quarter and are pleased with our results. We delivered strong earnings on higher sales, gross margin, and disciplined expense control. Even more important, we also took advantage of a number of real estate opportunities that strengthen our new store pipeline and enhance our competitive positioning for the future. In the quarter, we saw strong demand for everyday consumables such as cleaning supplies, food, and candy. As we have discussed before, our growing relationships with major manufacturers of these categories is leading to strong product flow and a more consistent assortment of everyday merchandise. We had a great selection of consumables and were ready for the strong demand. Outside of consumables, we also saw strong demand for certain discretionary-related categories such as furniture and outdoor living.
We believe the warm weather in October, along with the late timing of Thanksgiving, impacted our sales of seasonal goods in the third quarter. As the weather normalized and we approached the Thanksgiving holiday, we saw accelerating trends in our seasonal categories. We were pleased with our Black Friday weekend sales and the current momentum in our business. Now more than ever, consumers want value, and suppliers need bigger partners. We are benefiting from these two trends, and our buyers are doing an amazing job of finding a great assortment of exciting deals. We sell good stuff cheap, and we have been in the closeout business for more than 42 years. Our value proposition is selling quality name brand products that people need and want for their everyday lives at prices typically 20%-70% below the fancy stores.
Anyone can sell cheap products, but we're all about real brands, real bargains. This has been our value proposition from day one and continues to be our competitive moat. The growth of large retailers and suppliers has led to bigger order sizes, higher levels of excess inventory, and growth in the closeout industry. Big branded suppliers are very careful about product placement and channel conflict. At the same time, the larger order sizes are driving larger production quantities and a continuous cycle of excess product. Our size, scale, experience, and strong financial position are increasingly important advantages we have when buying closeouts. With over 550 stores in 31 states, we are the largest buyer of closeouts and excess inventory. While we are getting larger, other closeout players are shrinking or going away altogether. This is leading to stronger vendor relationships and increased deal flow.
At the same time, the investments we have made in the business over the last several years have made us a more nimble organization. This has led to better execution and more consistent results. Both Eric and Rob have been an integral part of making these investments, and as my time as CEO comes to a close, I could not be prouder of what we have built and the strength of our positioning going forward. The transition of the CEO role and responsibilities is progressing as planned. Eric will become CEO, and I will move to the Executive Chairman role at the beginning of fiscal 2025. Given the planned timing of things, this will be my last public earnings call. It's been an amazing 20-plus years, and I would like to thank each and every team member that has been part of our family.
Operating a closeout retailer is not for the faint of heart. The unpredictable nature of the model creates many ups and downs and operational challenges. But Ollie's is a special company that was founded by passionate individuals who kept things simple and stayed true to their model. I was fortunate to work with co-founder Mark Butler for many years. I hope that I have made him proud during my tenure as CEO. Everything that we have built and stand for came from Mark and Mort, and we continue to honor their legacy by staying true to our mission of saving customers money and selling good stuff cheap. While proud of what we've accomplished, I am more excited about our growth potential and competitive positioning going forward. Our value proposition is clear, our deal flow is strong, and our ability to execute is as good as it's ever been.
We remain focused on delivering profitable growth, consistent results, and enhancing shareholder value. With that said, I would now like to turn the call over to Eric.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with our third quarter performance. The process of proven investments we have made in our people, supply chain, stores, and marketing continue to result in better and more consistent execution. The third quarter was a great example of this. We delivered earnings that were in line with expectations despite some temporary headwinds. We also opportunistically acquired a number of real estate sites that bolstered our new store pipeline and competitive positioning. The first of these opportunities was the former 99 Cents Only Stores in Texas. We acquired these stores out of bankruptcy in May and shifted our organic new store pipeline to prioritize opening these first. In August, we soft opened several of these stores as a test, minimizing the dead rent and reducing the operational burden of opening so quickly after assuming possession of the sites.
Given these stores had been open and active with discount shoppers just a few months prior, we expected they might ramp faster than our typical new stores. Several were top-performing stores right out of the gate. We later followed up with an official grand opening event and could not be happier with the quick ramp and performance of these stores. The second real estate opportunity is the closing Big Lots stores. To date, we have acquired 17 store locations and were the winning bidder on an additional seven stores last Friday. Similar to the 99 Cents Only Stores, these stores are the right size, located in good trade areas, have attractive rents and leasing structures, and have been serving value-oriented customers for many years. We will prioritize the opening of the acquired stores and expect to have these open by the end of the first quarter next year.
With these additional stores, our new store pipeline is very strong, and our store openings in 2025 will be front-loaded as a result. Our initial plan for next year is a minimum of 56 new stores, which meets our 10% unit growth goal. We will continue to evaluate the new store pipeline and opening schedule as any new opportunities unfold. 2025 will be a record year for new store openings, and there is the potential for additional real estate opportunities on the horizon. Bankruptcies and closures of retailers come with market disruptions. In the short term, it can lead to increased competition for our stores going up against liquidations. This is offset by longer-term opportunities in product flow, market share, and talent acquisition. To support our accelerated growth, we continue to invest in supply chain.
Our newly opened distribution center in Princeton, Illinois, began shipping stores in July and is capable of servicing more than 150 stores. The new facility has a number of technology and productivity enhancements that will help us scale and increase productivity over time. The Midwest is an area that contains significant growth potential for Ollie's, and the newly acquired stores will help us better leverage this asset. With the new DC in place, we now have the capacity to service up to 750 stores in total, which provides runway for several years of growth. A few other supply chain-related comments: the port strike was really a non-event for us. We continue to closely monitor the potential for increased tariffs. Our flexible buying model allows us to adjust our pricing to changes in the marketplace and pivot between different products.
As a reminder, direct imports from China account for approximately 15% of our product flow in any given year. Before I turn the call over to Rob, I would like to thank the entire Ollie's team for their continued hard work and commitment. I would also like to recognize our associates in the hurricane-impacted areas. Hurricane Helene was devastating, and I'm thankful that our team members are safe and doing what they can for their local communities. I'm honored to be part of an organization that has a clear purpose and an amazing culture. We are proud to sell good stuff cheap and save customers money on the things they want and need. I would also like to thank John for his leadership and impressive 20-year career, which Ollie's delivered nearly unparalleled results in the retail industry.
We are especially appreciative for the leadership John provided through the unexpected passing of Mark Butler, which took place only moments before the pandemic started. He has been an incredibly strong shepherd of the business model and our culture. I appreciate John's mentorship and the trust he and the board have placed in me to lead Ollie's into the next phase of growth. Thank you. Rob.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Thanks, Eric, and good morning, everyone. We are very pleased with our third quarter results. We delivered a 14% increase in adjusted EPS driven by an 8% increase in sales, a 100 basis point increase in gross margin, and disciplined expense control. We also opened 24 new stores in the quarter, which was a record number for us. In the third quarter, we faced a number of short-term headwinds that impacted sales. These included a shift of one flyer out of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, the two major hurricanes, the Big Lots store closures and liquidations, and unseasonably warm temperatures. Despite these headwinds, we still delivered earnings that were in line with our expectations, and our outlook for the fourth quarter is largely unchanged. Now, let me take you through the third quarter numbers. Net sales increased 8% to $517 million driven by new store growth.
Comparable store sales declined 0.5%, with both transactions and baskets down slightly. Demand for everyday consumer staples was strong throughout the quarter, and our best-performing categories were food, candy, housewares, and furniture. Ollie's Army membership increased 8% to 14.8 million members, and sales to our members represented over 80% of total sales. Consistent with prior trends, we're seeing growth in our younger customer demographic and retention of higher-income customers. We ended the quarter with 546 stores in 31 states, an increase of 8% year over year. As mentioned, we opened a record of 24 new stores and closed three stores. Of the three closures, one was a temporary closure from a store that was flooded due to Hurricane Helene, and two were store leases that we chose not to renew.
We are pleased with the performance of our new stores, including the former 99 Cents Only Stores, which are off to a solid start. Gross margin increased 100 basis points to 41.4%, driven primarily by lower supply chain costs, partially offset by lower merchandise margin from the higher mix of consumer staples. SG&A expenses, a percentage of net sales, increased 40 basis points to 29.9% due to deleverage of fixed expenses associated with a decrease in comparable store sales. Operating income increased 14% to $45 million, and operating margin increased 50 basis points to 8.6% in the quarter. Adjusted net income increased 13% to $36 million, and adjusted earnings per share increased to $0.58. Lastly, adjusted EBITDA increased 17% to $60 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 100 basis points to 11.6% for the quarter.
Turning to the balance sheet, being a public company with a strong balance sheet is a strategic asset in the closeout industry. Not only does it enhance our credibility with vendors and allows us to make larger deals, it gives us the flexibility to pursue just about any opportunity as it arises. We ended the quarter with $304 million between cash on hand and short-term investments and no outstanding borrowings at our revolving credit facility. Inventories increased 14% to $607 million, primarily driven by new unit growth and the timing of receipts. Capital expenditures totaled $31 million for the quarter and were primarily related to the development of new stores and the remodeling of existing stores. We bought back $16 million of our common stock in the third quarter, bringing our year-to-date share repurchases to $47 million, in line with our targeted capital allocation.
Turning to our outlook, our updated guidance for fiscal 2024 is contained in a table in today's earnings press release. Our outlook for the fourth quarter is largely unchanged, and we feel good about our positioning heading into the Christmas holiday and remaining weeks of the fiscal year. The ranges for net sales and comparable store sales are now $2.27-$2.28 billion and 2.7%-3%, respectively. The slight narrowing of the ranges is a result of our third quarter results, the one unplanned store closure, and the timing of new store openings. Our gross margin outlook of 40% is unchanged, as is our outlook ranges for adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share. Pre-opening expenses are now slightly higher due to rent expenses associated with the recently acquired stores and the front-end loaded new store opening schedule for next year.
For new store openings, we're still targeting a total of 50, less the two closures that we chose not to renew the lease and the one temporary closure of the flood-impacted North Carolina store. We expect to open 13 stores in the fourth quarter and are targeting a minimum of 10% new unit growth for next year. Next year's store openings will be more heavily weighted to the first half, with the majority of stores opening in the first and second quarters. As John discussed, we have seen a nice acceleration in business over the last several weeks, and we're pleased with our Black Friday weekend sales. We believe that the shorter selling season between Thanksgiving and Christmas could make for a bigger holiday rush in the mid to late December period, and our current trends seem to support this.
We are locked and loaded with great deals for our customers. Finally, just a quick reminder that this fiscal year has 52 weeks versus 53 weeks last year. The extra week last year contributed approximately $34 million in net sales and about $0.04 to diluted earnings per share. Now, let me turn the call back over to John.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thanks, Rob. I would like to thank the entire Ollie's team for everything they do. It's truly the combined experience, passion, and commitment from everyone that makes Ollie's successful. I am so proud of what we have accomplished and look forward to our future success. As we say, we are.
Ollie's.
That concludes our prepared remarks, and we are now happy to take your questions. Operator.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or a comment at this time, please press star one and one on your telephone. If your question has been answered, to remove yourself from the queue, please press star one and one again. We'll pause for a moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Matthew Boss with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Great. Thanks. And John, congrats on the transition. You'll be missed.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thanks, Matt. I'll still be around, though. Don't forget that. I'm not disappearing.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Always, always. So could you maybe speak to the cadence of three Q comps, maybe parsing through best you can, some of the transitory headwinds that you faced, and then on November and four Q, maybe best you can, if you could elaborate on November trends that you've seen in the business and just your confidence in above algorithm comps in the fourth quarter, despite consolidation disruption, the shortened calendar, just how you kind of put it all together.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Hey, Matt. It's Rob. I'll take that one. From a quarterly flow on the comps for Q3, August was down slightly, which was better than our plan because the flyer shift shifted out of August in that month. September was up slightly positive, which we thought was really good considering that was the month in which we were impacted by the hurricanes, which was about, call it a 50 basis point impact to our comp overall for the quarter. And then lastly, we ended in October, and October was the softest month of the quarter. It was down, call it negative low single digits. And that's really where the warm weather started to impact us in our seasonal categories. Coming into the fourth quarter, our trends are good. We were pleased with the Black Friday weekend and holiday.
We've seen, as we're getting closer to the Christmas holiday, our trends continue to strengthen, and from an algo perspective from the fourth quarter, remember, we do have that flyer shift that shifted out of August and shifted into this quarter, so that gives us about an extra 100 basis points of comp, and that flyer still sits ahead of us today.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Great. And then maybe, Eric, as a follow-up, could you just elaborate on the white space unit growth opportunity multi-year you see? Just puts and takes to consider relative to the 10% plus unit growth for next year. And just as the fleet expands, what are you seeing from vendor relationship?
John Swygert (CEO)
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Eric van der Valk (President)
Yeah.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Have a good day.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Hang on. Let me unmute my line here. See if that helps here. Can you hear me?
John Swygert (CEO)
Hello?
Eric van der Valk (President)
Hello.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Can you guys hear me?
Eric van der Valk (President)
Yes. Can you hear me?
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Testing, yeah, but.
Operator (participant)
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Eric van der Valk (President)
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Operator (participant)
Your line is open and unmuted. Can you hear me?
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
I can hear you. You want me to ask the second question?
Operator (participant)
One moment, Matthew. Conference room, your line is unmuted. Can you hear me?
Eric van der Valk (President)
We can hear you. Can you hear us?
Operator (participant)
Yes, we can hear you now.
Eric van der Valk (President)
We dialed in our mobile. We got whatever phone problems we're having, which is dialed in on my mobile number now.
Operator (participant)
Okay. So go ahead with your question, Matthew.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Okay. Great. So Eric, could you elaborate on the white space unit growth opportunity multi-year? Any growth governors to consider relative to the 10% unit growth minimum that you cited for next year? And just with the greater size and scale, what are you seeing with vendor relationships and closeout opportunities?
Eric van der Valk (President)
Sure, Matt. As we look into 2025, and 2025 and beyond, but certainly in 2025, we've looked at real estate on really an opportunistic basis, and there are a lot of opportunities out there in this moment. In addition to Big Lots, there are several other retailers that are in either a state of distress or liquidation. And we're looking at all of the real estate. We're in the process, whether it's through an auction process or working directly with landlords if we're able to. And opportunistically, we'll accelerate beyond the 10%. Can't really talk too much beyond 2025 as the pipeline is built out for 2025 at this point, moving into 2026. The governor in this moment, we've invested in infrastructure to support opening as many as 75-ish to 80 stores, and that's an operational kind of self-imposed governor based on the infrastructure we have in place today.
So what I don't want to do is get ahead of ourselves and guide '25 in any way, shape, or form, but we are giving direction to proceeding to growth with opportunities to accelerate beyond that. What we've been seeing in terms of closeout flow and product availability is that our size and scale have been actually very helpful in giving us access to more closeouts. We've developed more direct relationships, some larger important vendor relationships, especially the consumables world, and our ability to be able to take all of the deal is a differentiator. It's somewhat a competitive advantage. And I'll just remind you and everyone that, and Rob stated it in his remarks, that our balance sheet remains very strong in an environment that we're working in today.
That strong balance sheet attracts vendors to us to sell with great payment terms and liquidity and the assurance that they will get paid.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Peter Keith (Analyst)
Hi. Thanks. Good morning, John. My, congratulations to you. I know you're not leaving, but it has been a great pleasure working with you on these types of calls. I did want to dig into the dynamic around the Big Lots store closures. I think you'd called it out as a headwind to Q3. I wonder if there's any quantification there. And then we do have a lot more closures happening in Q4. Could that be a potential headwind as well that we should be contemplating as the quarter progresses?
Robert Helm (CFO)
Thanks, Peter. This is Rob. I'll take that question. So when we had our third quarter call, there were only about 300 announced closures that Big Lots had announced, with about 100 of those store closures impacting us. That impact for the third quarter ended up being in the range of 50 basis points of drag against our comp. Since that time, they've announced another 250 store closures, give or take, for a cumulative total of 550 store closures. These closures commenced very late in the third quarter and will be taking place through the end of the holiday season. So we embedded a similar amount of drag, so call it 50 basis points in our fourth quarter guide.
Peter Keith (Analyst)
Okay. Very helpful. Thank you. And then related to the store acquisition, so I guess the math is I think you've acquired 17, and then you've got a potential 7 more Big Lots stores, so it could be up to 24. I guess what's your thinking around these? It was intrigued to hear that the 99 Cents Only Stores are opening up quite strong. Does that inform any thinking around these stores that you're buying now and how they could open up in early 2025?
Robert Helm (CFO)
It certainly does inform how we think about it. We think that the stores could ramp very quickly. We're excited about these acquisitions. It's great lease economics, good customer demographic, strong street visibility, and great box sizes, so we're really excited about these.
Peter Keith (Analyst)
Okay. Sounds good. Thanks so much.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, Peter.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Brad Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Brad Thomas (Analyst)
Good morning, and John, all the best to you as well. Wanted to first ask about just operations and how you plan the organization for this accelerating square footage growth just to ensure that these new stores are as strong as they can be out of the gate and how other stores don't suffer as you get inventory to this accelerating amount of square footage growth, and then I know you don't have a lot of commentary on 2025 financially, but just at a high level, if there's any margin puts and takes that we should be thinking about. Thanks.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Sure. Brad, Eric, I'll take the first question. We have invested in our infrastructure, anticipating both supporting the 10% unit growth plan going forward as well as the potential to accelerate at 25%. Project management resource is one of the bigger areas that we've invested in, which is construction and our new store setup teams, ensuring that we're hiring ahead, making sure we have the leadership in place, infrastructure and store leadership in general. And then the DC network, which I talked a little bit about in my opening remarks, is another one that we've gotten ahead on with now the DC network able to support 750 stores. We have no concern about bandwidth throughput on the DC side as well.
Robert Helm (CFO)
And from an earnings outlook on 2025, we typically don't give too much color on our third quarter call around that. What I would say is that when you think about 2025, it's firmly going to be steeped in our long-term algo, working our way back to a 14% EBITDA. And there's potential for upside EPS growth because of the front-loading of the store opening schedule, which is something we haven't seen for several years here.
John Swygert (CEO)
Great. Thanks, Eric and Rob.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett. Your line is open.
Chuck Grom (Analyst)
Hey, good morning. Thanks very much. Can we just double-click on the acceleration in your business over the past few weeks? And I guess can you also dig into why you think the consolidated calendar could accelerate business in the coming weeks? And I think, Rob, you said that you still have one flyer to come. Can you just confirm that?
Eric van der Valk (President)
Yeah. It's Eric. So from where we sit today, there is a lot of meaningful business still in front of us with the calendar shift and the condensed calendar. The flyer shift is in front of us, meaning it's ahead of us, and it's planned in a week. When you look at how we expect the business to flow, it's planned in a week that is very, very meaningful, and we're putting some great deals out there to attract customers into the stores on a somewhat last-minute basis as we approach the holiday. Also keep in mind that between now and Christmas, there are two additional shopping days, even though there were fewer in the total season. So we're reading the business to date and the business to come, and we feel good about where we're at.
Brad Thomas (Analyst)
Okay. Great. Thanks very much. And then just on Ollie's Army, over 80% of sales. You talked earlier in your prepared remarks about getting younger with your customer. I was wondering if you could dig into that a little bit more for us? It seems like a big opportunity for you guys.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Sure. Yeah. Ollie's Army, we continue to see strength in attracting younger customers. Our strongest growth segment now consistently for several quarters has been the 18 to 45-year-old segment. So that's very encouraging. We do believe that our digital marketing efforts are continuing to pay off. We've made investments over several years now, including bringing on a new advertising agency that specializes in retail digital marketing programs, and it seems to be going very, very well for us. And then we're also bringing a product that is more attractive to our customer that also lends itself to attracting those customers.
Brad Thomas (Analyst)
That's great. Thank you.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, Chuck.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Scot Ciccarelli with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Scot Ciccarelli (Analyst)
Good morning, guys. Scot Ciccarelli. I know you talked about the negative impact of the Big Lots store liquidations, but what are your early reads from a sales capture perspective from the sales that are orphaned from those closed stores? And then another question about kind of the go-forward earnings flow through. Any kind of notable investments that are going to be needed that would create a headwind to margin? Rob, obviously, just talked about above algo for 2025, but just as we kind of think about the longer-term growth opportunity, whether it's DCs, whether it's technology, anything we should be kind of thoughtful of. Thanks.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Hey, Scot. It's Rob. I'll take that. We're relatively early days post-liquidation. The first round of liquidation is only about a month ago. We've seen some glimmers of pickup since the nearby stores have closed, but it's too early to give a solid readout on it yet. From an investment perspective for the accelerated growth, we've already made a bunch of those investments this year and readying ourselves for next year. So you're not going to see any significant investment in SG&A, any significant investment in technology. We have what we need in place. One thing that you'll see over the years with accelerated growth is we'll continue to make supply chain investments in the form of distribution centers, and the faster that we grow, the sooner we'll get to our fifth distribution center, which is still a couple of years off at this point.
Eric van der Valk (President)
We got a little bit of color. We have the ability to expand two of our existing buildings as well. The building in Texas and the building in Illinois both have an opportunity to expand 200,000 sq ft each. So we don't necessarily have to run fast into a fifth building. We could expand those two buildings, and from a roadmap standpoint, we have a thought process around that in years 2026 and beyond.
Scot Ciccarelli (Analyst)
Understood. Thanks, guys.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Kate McShane with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Kate McShane (Analyst)
Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking our question. We wanted to ask a couple of questions around gross margin. Can you just talk about how mix impacted the margin in the quarter, just given the strength in some of the consumables and if that's increased as a mix of overall sales? And just how long will you benefit from the lower freight costs?
Robert Helm (CFO)
Hey, this is Rob. From a mix perspective, I would say the consumables had a 20-point drag on the quarter in addition to what we contemplated when we originally guided our margin. Can you repeat the second question? I didn't get the second question.
Kate McShane (Analyst)
Yes. Just how many more quarters can we see a benefit from freight?
Robert Helm (CFO)
I would say that this is the last quarter of significant benefit of freight. We're constantly doing what we can to make ourselves more efficient throughout our business. And that's true of supply chain as well. So you'll see little improvements in terms of contracting and how we flow products and operations with our distribution centers, but they're going to be fairly muted relative to what we've seen in the pickup coming off of the supply chain crunch from the last couple of years.
Kate McShane (Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Your line is open.
Jeremy Hamblin (Analyst)
Thanks for taking the question here. I wanted to start by asking about pre-opening expense. Rob, I think you noted it's going to be a little bit higher than what you had previously anticipated, which I think was about $17 million for the year. I wanted to see if you could quantify, given the stores that you're bringing on, how much that would change here in 2024. And also, as we look ahead to 2025, if you can kind of give us an early read of how we should be thinking about that year. And then my second question is just getting a bit more granular on the performance of the new stores, understanding how are the 99 Cents Only legacy stores performing relative to the typical Ollie's, and then what you're thinking about in terms of the Big Lots legacy stores versus your typical Ollie.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Sure. From a pre-opening perspective for the fourth quarter, there's about an additional, call it, $0.01 of EPS drag relative to the Big Lots stores. We take those stores over and pay the dead rent as soon as we acquire the lease. So that's contemplated in our guidance for this year. For next year, no really big changes in how we're thinking about pre-opening aside from just the front-loading of expense that you're seeing a little bit in the fourth quarter as well there. But it's kind of status quo for next year we'd expect.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Yeah. Jeremy, just a little more color on, we call them warm stores for new stores or stores that were open in the somewhat recent past. You remember a lot of the real estate that we take on in our organic pipeline is second-generation real estate. The retailer that we're replacing has been out of business for five-plus years oftentimes. We have to kind of rack our brains to remember even who they were because some of this is very cold boxes. So what we found with 99-cent is that there were customers showing up to the stores that thought the store was still 99-cent and discovered that it wasn't anymore. We're not disappointed because it is a discount-oriented customer. Our business model, though somewhat different from 99-cent, was similar enough that the customers found it to be appealing and attractive.
It's too early to quantify what all that means, but I said in my opening remarks that we were very happy with the initial response of customers with almost no marketing or grand opening event. We were doing volume in some of these stores that was kind of the equivalent of a post-grand opening halo period. We would expect to see for Big Lots stores. We believe. We haven't opened any that we've acquired in the various auctions yet, but we expected to see something similar. These stores will have been cold for 90 days, maybe 120 days. So we would expect something similar or a fairly quick ramp.
Jeremy Hamblin (Analyst)
Great. Thanks for the color and best wishes in the holiday season.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, Jeremy.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Anthony Chukumba with Loop Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Anthony Chukumba (Analyst)
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So in terms of the Big Lots and the 99 Cents Only Stores, are there any noticeable differences from your core store base? In other words, are they significantly bigger or smaller in size? Are they more in sort of urban locations relative to your stores? Just anything that you think is worth pointing out in terms of any differences.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Sure. Anthony, it's Eric. The 99 Cents Only Stores were slightly smaller than the average store that we opened. They were in the mid-20s, and our average typically runs a little over 30,000 sq ft. So they are slightly smaller. There were a couple of them that were actually sub-20,000 sq ft, which is very unusual for us. But the majority of them were above 20 and, again, averaged in the mid-20s. For the Big Lots stores, the gross square footage of the total box is very similar to ours, but they have larger back rooms. So we're making some adjustments to the selling square footage in some of those stores to ensure that it's more similar to our box size. But I would expect the Big Lots stores to be slightly smaller on average in terms of selling square footage than our average store.
Anthony Chukumba (Analyst)
Got it. And then just one quick follow-up. So you talked about that flyer that shifted out of the third quarter into the fourth quarter. And maybe this is too granular, but any thought in terms of what the comp hit might have been from that or another way to think about what the comp benefit will be in the fourth quarter?
Robert Helm (CFO)
For the third quarter, we think that it was slightly less than 100 basis points, but just about there. For the fourth quarter, we'd expect about 100 basis points of improvement.
Anthony Chukumba (Analyst)
Got it. Thanks so much, and good luck with the rest of the holiday selling season.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, Anthony.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Melanie Nunez with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to talk on gross margin for a second. I know you talked about some of the mixed impact. Just anything to think about for 4Q in terms of the merch margin and how your mix changes in this quarter? Thanks.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Our fourth quarter guidance carries over a little bit of the mix. We thought that that was prudent because we have seen our consumers responding to consumer staples. I think I mentioned in an earlier question, the supply chain improvement is much more muted as we lap costs. Aside from that, everything else is pretty status quo. Shrink is pretty stable, so we're planning to shrink pretty stable, albeit at a higher level. But nothing else really to comment on in gross margin.
Matthew Boss (Analyst)
Great. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Hi. This is Zach on for Simeon. Thanks for taking your question. Inventory was up 14% in the third quarter, a bit higher than sales growth of 7.8%. You did call out new unit growth and the timing of receipts. So it seems like it's mostly just normal course of business. But can you speak to if there was any pull forward of product for the holiday season or also perhaps in front of any potential tariffs? Thanks.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Nothing significant to call out about inventory growth. We have been playing a little bit of catch-up on inventory growth for the last couple of years relative to our unit growth, and we feel really good and confident about our 14% unit inventory growth. We are locked and loaded with deals for the holiday season.
Great. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Edward Kelly with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Edward Kelly (Analyst)
Hi. Good morning, everyone, and congrats as well, John, on a successful career there.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thanks, Ed.
Edward Kelly (Analyst)
My first question, I wanted to ask you about SG&A and labor. You made some changes around the workforce, full-time, part-time. Curious as to what you're seeing there, sort of like cost versus benefit. And then as we think about going forward into 2025 and beyond, are you still comfortable with the leverage point on SG&A at around a 1% comp, or is that just kind of inching a little bit higher based upon some of the changes on labor?
John Swygert (CEO)
Sure. I'll take the questions. We are still in the early stages of testing the benefits to the full-time, part-time mix change. Just to remind everybody, we're currently 60% part-time and are moving to a 50/50 ratio. So we're in a few dozen stores testing that change. We also are testing a leadership structure change that we believe will help us to better execute the stores alongside the full-time, part-time mix change. So we'll have the stores better covered from a leadership standpoint. It will help us to better execute. We ultimately look at this as expense neutral. We look at our investment in leadership and a full-time person being a more productive and career-oriented person offsets the wage investment that we make in full-time people and is net neutral. The leverage point for SG&A is closer to 2% going forward based on the investments we've made in the business.
Edward Kelly (Analyst)
Great. Okay. And just a quick follow-up related to the Big Lots opportunity. Any sort of thoughts on the Big Lots plan going forward? And I ask this question because they've had some stores that were liquidated that are no longer going to close. It's like, I don't know, 70 stores or so that are now going to remain open. I think some of the discounts that they're running on these liquidations have been decreasing versus where they were historically. And there's been talk coming out of, I think, Big Lots around maybe a strategy that might lean a bit more into closeouts. I'm just kind of curious as to how you're thinking about this going forward as you sort of look at your competitive landscape.
John Swygert (CEO)
Yeah. It's hard to say. We're focused on running our business. We're not real focused on Big Lots except to the extent that the liquidations are somewhat disruptive. We're excited as they do close stores for the opportunity to pick up market share because the share basket is fairly meaningful between our customers. The category mix is somewhat similar, although they play very heavy in the big-ticket businesses where we don't play heavy. So we're excited for the opportunity. And we think we're a very, very strong closeout, deep discount player with a very loyal customer that attracts new and younger customers on a day-to-day basis with a very strong loyalty program. And we like our chances in terms of the competitive environment, whether it's Big Lots or anyone else out there that chooses to go after the deep discount closeout business.
Edward Kelly (Analyst)
Great. Thanks, guys, and good luck this holiday.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thanks, Ed.
Operator (participant)
Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or a comment at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Mark Carden with UBS. Your line is open.
Mark Carden (Analyst)
Morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. So on tariffs, your commentary has been helpful. How do you think about the balance of incremental purchasing costs relative to the potential for higher demand that could come if customers become more pressed on their spending?
John Swygert (CEO)
I guess I'm not understanding your question. The impact.
Mark Carden (Analyst)
Just in terms of the incremental costs that could come from higher purchasing that basically you would be impacted by when you think about your imports in China versus prices across the board for customers going up and seeing more customers looking to trade into Ollie's, if that makes sense.
John Swygert (CEO)
So we generally thrive on disruption, and the tariffs are one of those disruptive events. We think that if anything, the tariffs could create an additional closeout opportunity where some other traditional retailers may be priced out of goods because of the incremental tariffs, that we may be able to get those products at a bargain and share those bargains with our customers. So being a price follower, it positions us well to navigate through the tariff situation.
Mark Carden (Analyst)
Got it. That's helpful. And then I know it's early days, but any takeaways from your initial credit card rollout in Pennsylvania? And just how does this customer compare to your typical Ollie's Army member?
Eric van der Valk (President)
Yeah, Mark, it's Eric. The rollout's going well. We're in about 70 stores now. It's a test and learn phase. We're trying to understand best what's the most effective way to continue to roll out the program in 2025. We'll take probably most of 2025 to complete the rollout. It's going better than expected in certain ways. The approval rates are a bit higher than we expected, and the spend is higher than we expected. So it's off to a very good start. I can't answer the question on how the demographics compare. That's a good question. It's something we haven't studied yet, but we will.
Mark Carden (Analyst)
Sounds great. Thanks so much. Good luck, guys.
Eric van der Valk (President)
Thanks, Mark.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Paul Lejuez, Citi. Your line is open.
Paul Lejuez (Analyst)
Hey, thanks, guys. Curious if maybe you could talk a bit more about the buying environment where you're seeing increased availability. I think you mentioned in the consumables category, but also curious if there are any pockets where you're not seeing as great of availability. And then second, just as we think about the gross margin structure longer term, is there anything to think about as consumables take up a larger percentage of sales? How do you think about gross margin targets? Any different, if at all?
John Swygert (CEO)
Yeah, Paul, this is John. With regards to the overall deal flow, it's been pretty wide all the way around all of our departments. We're not seeing a shortage in any category. It's been pretty strong, and it continues to flow very well. There was a small period of time where there was a little bit of slowness in HBA, but that has turned around, and we're seeing some good deal flow on the HBA front. But overall, we're very excited about what we're seeing. I do believe that with the disruptions that's been out there and the changes that are taking place in the marketplace, we're seeing a lot more product flow out there with regards to the overall deal flow. Rob can answer you on the overall margin and the impact on the consumables.
Robert Helm (CFO)
From a gross margin perspective, we're not thinking about the gross margin targets much different. The algo is 40, remains 40. We are seeing a slightly higher drag relative to consumer staples, but we love those businesses because it has built-in frequency and customer visits that bring our customers back for the consumables as well as the great deals. The drag on the gross margin, we think we'll be able to offset operational efficiencies through supply chain.
Paul Lejuez (Analyst)
Got it. Thank you. Good luck.
John Swygert (CEO)
Thanks.
Robert Helm (CFO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Eric.
Eric van der Valk (President)
I would like to thank everyone for their time and interest in Ollie's. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress on our next earnings call. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.