OneSpaWorld - Q3 2023
November 1, 2023
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Operator (participant)
Good day, and welcome to the OneSpaWorld Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Allison Malkin of ICR. Please go ahead.
Allison Malkin (Partner)
Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to OneSpaWorld's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that certain statements and information made available on today's call and webcast may be deemed to constitute forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements reflect our judgment and analysis only as of today, and actual results may differ materially from current expectations based on a number of factors affecting our business. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. For a more thorough discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with the forward-looking statements to be made in this conference call and webcast, we refer you to the disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements that is included in our third quarter 2023 earnings release, which was furnished to the SEC today on Form 8-K.
We do not undertake any obligation to update or alter any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. In addition, the company may refer to certain adjusted non-GAAP metrics on this call. An explanation of these metrics can be found in our earnings release issued earlier this morning. Joining me today are Leonard Fluxman, Executive Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and President, and Stephen Lazarus, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. Leonard will begin with a review of our third quarter 2023 performance and provide an update on our operations and our key priorities. Then Stephen will provide more details on the financials and our fiscal year 2023 guidance. I would now like to turn the call over to Leonard.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Thank you, Allison. Good morning, and welcome to OneSpaWorld's Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. I'm delighted to speak to you today and share another quarter of strong results, which once again exceeded our expectations. The third quarter saw us maintain our positive momentum with stellar performance across key financial and operational metrics, driven by our unwavering focus on the execution of our key priorities. To this end, we continued to introduce innovative product and offerings, empower our cruise ship staff to provide unsurpassed service levels, drive efficiencies through technology enhancements, introduce our health and wellness centers on new ship builds, and win new contracts. As a result, we achieved our best ever third quarter revenue income from operations and Adjusted EBITDA, and raised our full-year revenue and Adjusted EBITDA guidance by more than the outperformance we delivered in this quarter.
As we look ahead, we are very encouraged by the healthy demand environment we are seeing. Customers around the world continue to appreciate the unparalleled value proposition cruising offers, and our strategies are driving strong demand. Touching on performance highlights of the third quarter. Total revenues grew 33%, reaching a record $216.3 million, and Adjusted EBITDA increased 36% to a record $24.9 million. The expansion in our ship count continued in the quarter. At the end of the third quarter, we had health and wellness centers on 189 ships, compared with 176 ships at the end of the third quarter of 2022. At year-end, we now expect to have in service 193 ships, including 10 new builds introduced throughout 2023.
We saw strength across key operating metrics, including a 22% increase in average weekly revenue per ship as compared to the third quarter last year. High single-digit increases in average guest spend and a low single-digit increase in revenue per shipboard staff per day. Penetration of retail sales and pre-bookings also continued to improve. We continue to remain highly focused on supporting our operations at sea. Our ongoing initiatives to have experienced staff return for subsequent contracts is exhibiting greater success, and we expect our proportion of experienced staff members in the first quarter of 2024 to surpass the level of experienced staff members in 2019.
At quarter end, we had 3,927 cruise ship personnel on vessels, increasing from 3,813 and 3,087 cruise ship personnel on vessels at the end of the second quarter of 2023 and the third quarter of 2022, respectively. We also have 24 traveling sales and revenue staff members, who year to date have made 492 ship visits, equating to 3,271 days of sailing with their primary focus to enhance onboard productivity. Now, I'll review and update our key priorities that we shared with you earlier this year. First, capture highly visible new ship growth with current cruise line partners. Our cruise line partners continue to introduce new ships, which adds to our growth.
In the quarter, we introduced health and wellness centers on six new ships, including two Crystal Cruises vessels, Crystal Serenity and Crystal Symphony, as part of the new agreement announced earlier this year, and one vessel as part of a new agreement with Adora Cruises, which is a new Chinese-American cruise line. We continue to expect to introduce health and wellness centers on 12 ship builds this year. Second, continue launching higher value services and products. We continue to focus on introducing exciting products and services which are in various stages of implementation, including IV therapy, immunity protocols, and facial toning devices. Third, focusing on enhancing health and wellness center productivity.
Highlights of our achievements in this regard include high single- to double-digit increases across average guest spend, pre-booking as a % of service revenue, revenue per staff per day, and in retail spend as compared to Q3 of 2019. Fourth, expanding market share by adding new potential cruise line partners. We have room to grow our 90, +90% market share in the outsourced maritime health and wellness market, as evidenced by recent new contract wins with Virgin Voyages, Oceania Cruises, Regent Seven Seas Cruises, Celebrity Cruises, and most recently, Adora Cruises. We are very excited about our business prospects into the fourth quarter and in 2024 and beyond. Our fourth quarter 2023 performance is off to a strong start, despite it being a seasonally softer period for cruise operators as they reposition their fleets for the winter cruising season.
In light of our outperformance so far in the year and current business trends, we have raised our annual guidance for the third time this year, with our fiscal year outlook increased beyond the amount we surpassed third quarter expectations. As a result, for fiscal year 2023, we now expect total revenues to increase by 45% and Adjusted EBITDA to increase by 73% versus fiscal year 2022, at the midpoint of our guidance ranges. Finally, before I turn the call over to Stephen, I want to convey that our hearts go out to all that have been impacted by the war in the Middle East, the ongoing war in Ukraine, and the innocent lives lost. In response, the cruise lines have altered or canceled certain itineraries. However, we do not expect this to have a material impact on our results. Stephen?
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Thank you, Leonard. Good morning, everyone. We are pleased to report strong third quarter results and continued momentum across our key operational and financial metrics, as well as improvements to our balance sheet. I will now share more details on our third quarter that we reported this morning. Total revenues were $216.3 million, an increase of 33% from $162.3 million in the third quarter of 2022. The increase was attributable to our average ship count, increasing 11% to 185 health and wellness centers on board ships operating during the quarter, compared with an average ship count of 167 health and wellness centers on board ships operating during the third quarter of 2022.
Our initiatives to drive revenue growth in each of our onboard health and wellness centers through enhanced guest engagement and experiences, our guest service and product offering innovations, and the disciplined execution of our complex operating protocols by our onboard and corporate teams. Cost of services were $146.1 million, compared to $110.6 million in the third quarter of 2022. The increase was primarily attributable to costs associated with increased service revenues of $175.8 million in the quarter from our operating health and wellness centers at sea and on land, compared with service revenue of $132.8 million in the third quarter of 2022.
Cost of products were $34.5 million, compared to $25.3 million in the third quarter of 2022. This increase was primarily attributable to costs associated with increased product revenues of $40.4 million in the quarter from our operating health and wellness centers at sea and on land, compared to product revenues of $29.5 million in the third quarter of 2022. Product costs in the third quarter of 2023 benefited from retail price increases implemented on board vessels ahead of an increase in the cost of those products. This resulted in an approximately 60 basis point margin improvement in the quarter.
Net income was $23.4 million, or net income per diluted share of $0.16, as compared to net income of $5.9 million, or net income per diluted share of $0.06 in the third quarter of 2022.... The $17.5 million increase was primarily attributable to the $7.1 million positive change in the fair value of warrant liabilities, a $7.1 million positive change in income from operations, and a $3.4 million decrease in uncertain tax benefits related to foreign tax exposure as a result of the company's participation in a tax amnesty program in Italy, settled in August 2023.
The change in fair value of the outstanding warrants during the three months ended September 30th, 2023, was a gain of $7.4 million, compared to a gain of $300,000 during the three months ended September 30th, 2022. The change in fair value of warrant liabilities was the result of changes in market prices of our common stock and other observable inputs deriving the fair value of the financial instruments. Adjusted Net Income increased 75% to $22 million, or Adjusted Net Income per diluted share of $0.22, as compared to Adjusted Net Income of $12.5 million, or Adjusted Net Income per diluted share of $0.13 in the third quarter of last year. Adjusted EBITDA increased 36% to $24.9 million, compared to Adjusted EBITDA of $18.3 million in the third quarter of 2022.
Turning to the balance sheet. Total cash at September 30th, 2023, was $28 million, compared to $30 million at June 2023, after giving effect to repayment of $20 million on our first lien term loan during the quarter. Total debt, net of deferred financing fees at September 30th, was $163 million, compared to $223 million at September 30th, 2022. The decrease primarily resulted from the full repayment of $25 million on the second lien term loan and the $36.6 million dollar repayment on the first lien term loan since September 30th of last year. In the third quarter, we repaid $20 million on our first lien term loan, and as a result, since the second quarter of 2022, we have repaid a total of $69.1 million in debt instruments.
Unlevered after-tax free cash flow was $62.2 million, compared to $26.1 million in the nine months ended September 30th, 2022. The company expects to continue to generate positive cash flow from operations in the fourth quarter of 2023 and throughout 2024. Moving on to our guidance. We are increasing our fiscal year guidance for the third time this year to reflect our better-than-expected third quarter performance and our expectations for the fourth quarter. For fiscal 2023, we now expect total revenues in the range of $792 million-$797 million. At the midpoint, this represents an increase of 45% from the actual fiscal 2022 revenues of $546.3 million. Adjusted EBITDA is now expected in the range of $86 million-$88 million.
At the midpoint, this represents an increase of 73% from actual fiscal 2022 Adjusted EBITDA of $50.4 million. We expect to end fiscal 2023 operating on 193 cruise ships and at 54 land-based resorts. For the fourth quarter, we expect total revenue in the range of $193 million-$198 million and Adjusted EBITDA in the range of $20 million-$22 million. Overall, we feel confident about our positioning and growth initiatives. We are encouraged by the momentum in the business and expect to continue our successful growth in the near and medium term. With that, we'll open our call for questions. Please, operator.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, and you may queue for further questions. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Gregory Miller with Truist. Please go ahead.
Gregory Miller (DTS Developer Consultant)
Thank you. Good morning. I'd like to start off with service pricing. Could you share your current views on pricing heading into the 4Q holidays and, if possible, into next year? And have you seen any pressure points in consumer spend that may impact if or how much you may raise pricing over the next year?
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Yeah. Good morning, Greg. We've actually seen very little pressure on pricing at all. We're continuing to hold pricing where we've had it, discounting only on shoulder days where necessary, but certainly not below our increased levels. So there's still hallmark pricing on a couple of services on some banners, and, you know, we will obviously reintroduce hallmark pricing through the Christmas, New Year period across most of the banners. So right now, as we said, our ships are-
... or should I say, the cruise lines are repositioning their ships, longer cruises, et cetera. So we still have not seen pressure on pricing thus far, so we're in good shape.
Gregory Miller (DTS Developer Consultant)
Excellent to hear. Thanks. And then for the follow-up, I thought I'd ask you about the commentary you're providing about your staff, your experienced staff returning at higher levels than in the past. But could you discuss what is driving that better return-to-sea trend?
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
So as we've mentioned, perhaps on prior calls, and it's something we wanted to call out this call, experienced staff tend to produce at a much higher level. You know, definitely after 2.5, 3 contracts, we see the productivity improve, retail attachment improve, and just the experience level, and then ultimately, we try and move them up into management if they're capable of such a move. We continue to reinforce training. We continue to, you know, take care of their well-being on board. They're busy, they're doing well. This is definitely an incredible environment for them to earn money and save money to the extent that they wish to do that, given that most of the expenses on board are taken care of.
We're starting to see that retention number improve, and with that comes greater experience and greater productivity.
Gregory Miller (DTS Developer Consultant)
Thanks very much.
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Sure.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from Steve Wieczynski with Stifel. Please go ahead.
Steve Wieczynski (Managing Director of Gaming and Leisure)
Yeah. Hey, guys. Good morning. So Leonard, I think you heard. I think I heard you correctly, that you talked about how the fourth quarter is already off to a, you know, seems like a pretty strong start. So, you know, if that's the case, is it fair to think the trends that you witnessed through October were essentially running at similar levels to what you witnessed during the third quarter? I guess what I'm just trying to understand here, you know, has there been any real change in, you know, in spend levels, and then maybe how the quarter, you know, played out from a sequential standpoint?
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Yeah, look, the third quarter, Steve, spend and a bunch of other metrics were extremely strong. I mean, as you know, the second and third quarter tend to be that way, but we actually saw improvements in average guest spend. Staff utilization, you know, as the third quarter starts with the longer cruises, you know, can go up and down just depending on how long those cruises are. But, you know, we're very, very encouraged by what we've seen, even at the beginning of what we term the softer quarter, as these ships reposition into the itineraries back to the Caribbean, back from Alaska, out of the Mediterranean and troubled areas. And so, from what we've seen to date, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen so far in October.
So yeah, it continues to hold a strong pattern of demand.
Steve Wieczynski (Managing Director of Gaming and Leisure)
Gotcha. Thanks for that. Then, you know, look, I know it's early. I know you're not prepared to give 2024 guidance yet. You know, but as we look into next year, you know, is there anything we should be thinking about in terms of, you know, seasonality or, you know, or other factors that potentially could, you know, whether that's help or whether that's hurt your operating performance, as we just kind of think about 2024 more from a, you know, from a big picture perspective?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, not that I can see. I mean, I look at the close, the close-in bookings from the cruise lines, demand, pricing, you know, 60%-65% booked through 2024. I mean, I guess we'll hear more from the cruise lines as they report, but certainly as we heard from Royal and NCL today, it seems that demand continues to be strong. And look, the value that cruising today provides guests in a somewhat inflationary environment is still an incredible, you know, vacation and value vacation. We, we continue to see demand for our services. We continue to see the cruise lines focus more on the pre-booking end, which we know, we know guests spend more if they pre-book.
I think the collaboration that we are experiencing with our cruise line partners and partners is at a level where they're seeing the benefits too, from that pre-booking. So I think we'll see them focus more on that. You know, outside of things, we just can't control Steve, geopolitical events. As you know, cruise lines will cancel or move away from trouble, which they've started doing or have done already. I don't see outside of anything macro that's out there, things that could sort of change my view on the demand for cruising, which seems to be outperforming any other vacation experience to date.
Steve Wieczynski (Managing Director of Gaming and Leisure)
Okay, gotcha. Makes sense. Thank you very much, Leonard. Appreciate it.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Of course. Thanks, Steve.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from Sharon Zackfia with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Sharon Zackfia (Group Head–Consumer)
Hi, good morning.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Good morning.
Sharon Zackfia (Group Head–Consumer)
You know, I guess I'm curious on the revenue per staff per day. I mean, it's holding at extremely high levels, particularly when you look at kind of what you were doing pre-pandemic. And I'm wondering if at this point, as you look forward, is the main opportunity in continuing to increase the revenue per staff per day, or is it by adding more staff? I'm trying to figure out kind of how high realistically we could think about that revenue per staff per day going kind of on an annual basis? I know there's seasonality there.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Tough question, but a good one, sir, Sharon. So, you know, we continue to focus with our sales and revenue staff that I, as I mentioned, are out there all the time. Today, with the data, the metrics we have, we can really drill down and see who's not performing, where the underperformance is coming from, which modality we need to shore up. I think the team has done an excellent job throughout this year, and in the last two quarters of last year, is focusing on the underperformance and raising them to the level of the higher performers.
So we want to get everybody up to A's and B pluses. I think our team is doing an excellent job focusing on that, and we have the data now where we can see it earlier than we've ever done before, and that was all the preparation that we did in the pre-pandemic period, and pandemic period. So, you know, I think execution is a function of, vigilance, earlier retrieval of data, acting on that data, and reinforcing training where it's needed. So we will balance staff across different itineraries as needed. And, you know, we will make sure that the balance is there so that staff continue to be busy. We don't want them not to be busy, but we also want them to have the requisite rest that they need. So yeah, it's a continued balancing act.
At the same time, our focus in 2024 is going to be looking at what is the best use of staff. Do we have one less massage therapist and add somebody in our Medi Spa or acupuncture, which is outperforming? So we want to make sure that we're putting the right staff on the right ship for the right itinerary, for the right demographic. I think that will continue to support our revenue per staff per day into 2024.
Sharon Zackfia (Group Head–Consumer)
Thanks for that. And then, I guess a follow-up question on debt. I mean, it seems like just given the trends in the business, that you're going to delever pretty quickly in 2024 and probably could be debt-free at some point in 2025. I just want to level set that, Stephen, if that's kind of a realistic outlook, because I assume that, you know, keeping debt on the balance sheet is not kind of very advantageous for you, given your kind of tax-free status.
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Correct. Broadly speaking, that is absolutely the case. We do have a portion of the debt that we allocate to the U.S., which helps, where we do therefore get the interest leverage benefit from that. But outside of that, it really doesn't make sense, particularly at close to 10% interest rate. So debt paydown will continue to be a focus of our excess cash flow. I do think, though, at a point in time, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, right? The company will get to a point where we will consider avenues for returning capital to shareholders as we deem appropriate.
Sharon Zackfia (Group Head–Consumer)
Okay. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
The next question comes from Max Rakhlenko with Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.
Max Rakhlenko (Director of Consumer - Retail and Fitness Research Analyst)
Great. Thanks a lot, and nice job in the quarter. So you called out a number of key initiatives and priorities. Can you rank them in order of magnitude and any key unlocks we should be looking for?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, Max, you know, we're always looking obviously for market share pickups, right? There's not that many out there. We still continue to focus on that. We did pick up one more. At the end of the day, it could be perhaps focusing on other segments of cruising, whether it be river cruising, maybe there's more to pick up there, albeit that the ships are smaller, farther, even smaller than what we have on some of the small luxury ships. So, you know, we focus on where the opportunity is. We think there could be some forthcoming, but, you know, it's too early to say what we're working on and what will develop, right?
So, I would say market share and new ship introductions continue to be a high priority, but at the same time, you know, we want to focus on productivity at the same time as launching and expanding our menus on board, particularly in the wellness and Medi Spa area, and that's going to be a focus over the next two years. I would say that, that's a key focus of ours, is how we can augment that, how we can increase our footprint, how we can increase more staff by convincing the cruise lines that there's definitely an opportunity there, given the high ticket prices.
Ultimately, to the extent that we can move those two modalities to a higher level of participation in our total gross revenue, that's obviously going to help expand revenue opportunities on board, you know, the 135 ships that we have Medi Spa on.
Max Rakhlenko (Director of Consumer - Retail and Fitness Research Analyst)
Got it. That's very helpful. And then, can you speak to the level of conservatism embedded in the [FY] 2022 guidance, as data from the cruisers seem to suggest that you are being quite modest in your outlook?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, look, I don't want to get too far ahead of us, because we've raised guidance, I think, in my mind, accurately to the extent that we have an opportunity in this sort of softer quarter to outperform, so be it. You know, there's still a lot of balls in the air that, you know, who knows what happens? But I just feel that, you know, gosh, we've raised guidance each quarter since we popped out of the first quarter. I think, if you've known us long enough, we definitely err a little bit on conservatism in case something does sort of wobble around. But, you know, we're pretty confident about where this fourth quarter is gonna end up.
Max Rakhlenko (Director of Consumer - Retail and Fitness Research Analyst)
Got it. And just very quickly, any early thoughts on 2024, given such strong bookings called out by your cruise partners? And just any learnings from this year that will help you, outperform next year?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, Max, it's early to start talking about 2024. We typically do that sort of the week of ICR. We'll give a high-level guidance and feel. We're still receiving inputs from the cruise lines with respect to changed itineraries, et cetera. There could be some changes. Until we've totally circled the wagons here and everything, I think it's too early to comment at this juncture. But we'll have that guidance out, typically as we do, you know, the first or second week of January.
Max Rakhlenko (Director of Consumer - Retail and Fitness Research Analyst)
Got it. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. Best regards and happy holidays.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Thank you. You too.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from Laura Champine with Loop Capital. Please, go ahead.
Laura Champine (Director of Research and Senior Consumer Analyst)
Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted a little more detail on. There's a sentence in the press release about deploying enhanced technologies to drive productivity. Could you be more specific on what types of things you're referring to there?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, I think it's looking at scheduling. It's the most important thing that we do, is we look at scheduling, the day we sail. Obviously, the first day, embarkation day, is very important. We look at that, that demand, we look at the pre-booked demand, we look at where the gaps are, and we focus on that. We have a lot more in our marketing toolkit that we use for promotions, et cetera, bundling. You know, getting more and more people to have more frequent services as opposed to just one, and all of that's paying off.
Laura Champine (Director of Research and Senior Consumer Analyst)
Got it. And, a follow-up to a prior question. You've got. We're looking at good-looking bookings from the public companies. How different do the private cruise line booking trends tend to be relative to public company booking trends?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, look, overall, load factors this year have moved very positively, across both the public and non-public companies. They tend to, you know, they tend to move in lockstep. I would imagine it's the same. I mean, sometimes you've seen some of the higher end perhaps not move at the same level. But generally speaking, I would say the confidence that the cruise lines see around, you know, near-end bookings and into 2024 should be similar across the entire industry.
Laura Champine (Director of Research and Senior Consumer Analyst)
Understood. Thank you.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Yep.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from Assia Georgieva with Infinity Research. Please, go ahead.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
Good morning, guys. Excellent quarter. Great job. I had a couple of quick questions. First of all, one of your major cruise partners is kind of going into more longer, more exotic itineraries. Is that structural change going to affect you in 2024? Or do you think, given possibly a higher level, you know, revenue-generating client, that it shouldn't have an impact?
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
You know, in the scheme of the 180-192 ships that will be on in this year, last year, I mean, we've had cruises move into those longer itineraries. We've had many more world cruises than we've seen in the last year. We still know that the sweet spot is obviously the seven-day market. So can it impact some of the cruises? Yeah, a little bit. But I, you know, it, it, it will be built into our guidance next year if it's so. As you know, I, I just don't see it being a material impact at all. I think it's more companies moving back into more normalized itineraries as opposed to perhaps what they've had as they've come out the pandemic.
So I don't see this being a big change from what we saw in 2019, where we had those cruises.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
All right, that's good news. And, kind of a related question. I think we will have more dry docks in 2024 than we would have typically relative to 2019. That will probably be sort of a short-term event, I would imagine.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Yeah, I'd agree. Yep, exactly.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
All right. And lastly, maybe, Stephen, you touched on this, when you were answering Sharon's question. With debt repayment at such significant levels, which is great, and returning capital to shareholders, are we thinking buybacks or possibly a dividend program?
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Both will be considered. A determination will be made depending on what the stock price is, what interest rates are, et cetera. So I think the board and the company will try and make the best decision for our shareholders.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
Well, Stephen, that was a very diplomatic way of telling me, I'm not going to answer this question.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
No, he's not saying that at all. I'd say what he's really saying is, you can see the free cash flow generation from this company. You can see the rate at which we're paying down debt. Clearly, at some point, whether it be at the end of 2024, we'll have a much better idea of where we are on debt. Clearly, that's the best use of cash right now, and to the extent then that we continue to see the same optimism in our business, we will start to return capital in either of those forms. I don't think he's trying to be cute at all.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
Well, I didn't mean it that way. I guess I was trying to be cute. So,
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
But he is a very good diplomat, I will say.
Assia Georgieva (CEO)
Agreed. Thank you, guys. Again, great quarter, and, you know, thank you so much for providing even better guidance for Q4.
Stephen Lazarus (CFO and COO)
Of course. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the management for any closing remarks.
Leonard Fluxman (Executive Chairman, CEO, and President)
Right. I just want to thank everybody for joining us on the call today. But before I leave, I just want to thank our entire leadership, shipboard team that works so closely with us, and all of our associates, shipboard staff, for their steadfast contributions and commitment to achieving the operational excellence evidenced by, you know, the third quarter results and expected fourth quarter results. So thank you, everybody. We look forward to speaking with you on the next quarter call.