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POTBELLY CORP (PBPB)·Q1 2025 Earnings Summary

Executive Summary

  • Q1 2025 delivered modest top-line growth and profitability: revenue rose 2.3% to $113.7M, GAAP diluted EPS was $0.00, same-store sales +0.9%, and shop-level margin expanded 20 bps YoY to 13.7%; adjusted EBITDA was $5.5M, above the prior quarter’s Q1 guidance high end, with YoY compares impacted by a $1.1M settlement benefit in Q1 2024 .
  • Versus Wall Street, the quarter was a clean beat on revenue and EPS, with a slight EBITDA miss against S&P Global consensus; management cited commodity deflation and disciplined G&A, offset by lapping the prior-year settlement .
  • Guidance tightened constructively: 2Q’25 same-store sales +1.5% to +2.5% and adjusted EBITDA $8.25M–$9.75M; full-year 2025 guidance reiterated (same-store sales +1.5%–+2.5%, ≥38 new units, adjusted EBITDA $33M–$34M) .
  • Development and capital allocation remain catalysts: four openings in Q1, 40 new franchise commitments (open + committed shops = 766), and ~$1.1M of buybacks in Q1 with $17.5M remaining under the 3-year authorization .

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

  • What Went Well

    • Positive comp and margin execution despite early-quarter weather: same-store sales +0.9% and shop-level margin 13.7% (+20 bps YoY); CFO highlighted food cost deflation and strong franchise performance with disciplined G&A .
    • Digital engagement sustained strength with 42%+ digital mix (+~200 bps YoY), supported by loyalty and targeted marketing; management is investing in consumer-facing assets and data/analytics to deepen personalization .
    • Franchise growth pipeline accelerated: 40 new commitments in Q1 (best Q1 ever), clear line of sight to ≥38 openings in 2025, and a Large Area Developer 50/50 incentive to bring shops online faster .
  • What Went Wrong

    • Adjusted EBITDA down 2.8% YoY to $5.5M due to lapping a $1.1M settlement benefit in Q1 2024; labor, occupancy, and other opex percentages modestly higher YoY on that compare .
    • Transactions slightly negative (-0.2%) despite average check up 1.1% (gross price +2.8%, effective +0.6% in-quarter); comp benefited ~40 bps from Easter calendar shift .
    • Sequential margin compression from Q4: shop-level margin fell from 16.0% to 13.7% (seasonality and lapping benefit), and income-from-operations margin declined from 2.1% to 0.2% .

Financial Results

MetricQ3 2024Q4 2024Q1 2025
Revenue ($USD Millions)$115.120 $116.628 $113.681
GAAP Diluted EPS ($)$0.12 $0.15 $0.00
Income from Operations Margin (%)3.7% 2.1% 0.2%
Shop-level Profit Margin (%)15.3% 16.0% 13.7%
Adjusted EBITDA ($USD Millions)$8.664 $9.685 $5.522
Same-store Sales (%)-1.8% +0.3% +0.9%

Results vs S&P Global consensus (Q1 2025):

MetricEstimateActualSurprise
Revenue ($USD Millions)$111.738*$113.681 +$1.943*
Primary EPS ($)-$0.0225*$0.00 +$0.0225*
EBITDA ($USD Millions)$4.103*$3.824 -$0.279*

Values retrieved from S&P Global.*

Revenue composition (Q1 2025):

MetricQ1 2025
Sandwich shop sales, net ($USD Millions)$109.002
Franchise royalties, fees and rent income ($USD Millions)$4.679
Total revenues ($USD Millions)$113.681

KPIs and operating metrics (Q1 2025):

KPIQ1 2025
Average Weekly Sales (AWS) ($)$24,550
Company-operated same-store sales (%)+0.9%
System-wide sales ($USD Millions)$140.661
Digital mix (% of shop sales)>42%
Shop-level profit ($USD Millions)$14.936
Company-operated shops (end of period)341
Franchised shops (end of period)103
System-wide shops (end of period)444

Guidance Changes

MetricPeriodPrevious GuidanceCurrent GuidanceChange
Same-store sales growth (%)Q1 2025-1.5% to -0.5% N/AN/A
Adjusted EBITDA ($USD Millions)Q1 2025$3.5 to $4.5 Actual delivered: $5.522 Beat vs prior guidance
Same-store sales growth (%)Q2 2025N/A+1.5% to +2.5% New (positive)
Adjusted EBITDA ($USD Millions)Q2 2025N/A$8.25 to $9.75 New
Unit openings (count)Q2 2025N/A≥6 New
Same-store sales growth (%)FY 2025+1.5% to +2.5% +1.5% to +2.5% Maintained
New unit growth (count)FY 2025≥38 ≥38 Maintained
Adjusted EBITDA ($USD Millions)FY 2025$33 to $34 $33 to $34 Maintained

Earnings Call Themes & Trends

TopicPrevious Mentions (Q3’24, Q4’24)Current Period (Q1’25)Trend
Digital & LoyaltyDigital ~40% in Q4; Perks relaunch and deeper data/analytics investment .Digital >42% of sales; incremental investments in app/website and analytics to drive personalization .Strengthening
Menu InnovationNew pork sandwiches, sauces, toppings; Craft Refreshers rollout .Prime Rib Steak Sandwich added; Chili Mac and Banana Pudding Shake; ongoing stage-gate pipeline .Strengthening
Tariffs/MacroMonitoring inflation; modest commodity deflation; inflation ~2–3% modeled .Tariff vigilance; modest build-cost pressure possible; long-term plan unchanged .Monitored, stable
Franchising & Development115 commitments in 2024; 23 openings; refranchising deemphasized; cadence back-half weighted .40 new commitments in Q1; ≥38 openings in 2025; ≥6 in Q2; Large Area Developer 50/50 incentive introduced .Accelerating
Pricing & Mix2024 gross price ~3.5% in Q4; paused price in Q4 due to consumer signals .2025 gross price just north of 3%; three mid-1% increases planned; Q1 gross price +2.8% .Controlled, aligned to input costs
Ops & Technology (PDK/POS)Replatform to enhance throughput and labor guide; CapEx to rejuvenate assets .PDCX roll-out: 50% of company shops in 2025, rest in 2026; ~5 hours labor savings per shop; CapEx envelope ~$30M .Implementation in progress

Management Commentary

  • CEO: “We delivered system-wide sales growth, positive same-store sales… and posted another quarter of strong profitability… I am proud to call Potbelly a growth company again… we expect our efforts across comp growth and unit growth… to deliver strong EBITDA growth for many years” .
  • CFO: “Shop level margins were 13.7%, an increase of 20 basis points… We reported a slight net loss of $62,000… Adjusted net income was $43,000… We purchased ~117,000 shares for ~$1.1M… We anticipate repurchases throughout the 3-year program” .
  • CEO on digital: “Our digital business represented over 42% of total shop sales… incremental investments in consumer-facing digital assets and data and analytics” .
  • CEO on development: “Clear line of sight to open at least 38 new shops in 2025… opened 4 shops in Q1 and added 40 new commitments; best Q1 we’ve ever had” .

Q&A Highlights

  • Comp drivers and outlook: Q2 comps guided positive despite Easter drag (-40 bps), citing menu innovation, value tiers, and targeted digital promotions; transactions -0.2% with average check +1.1% in Q1 .
  • Franchising incentives: 50/50 program (discounted IFF and partial royalty relief for early/on-time openings) resonating with multi-unit developers; expected to impact medium-term build cadence .
  • Digital mix and owned-channel migration: Continued investment in app/web and Perks to enable automated journeys and more discrete promotions, improving efficiency and frequency .
  • Tariffs and inflation: Slight commodity deflation in Q1; FY food inflation still modeled ~2–3%; labor inflation ~2%–2.2% .
  • Technology and CapEx: PDCX roll-out targets half of company shops in 2025, with ~5 hours labor savings per location; FY25 CapEx near $30M across tech, facilities, remodel tests, and selective company densification .

Estimates Context

  • Q1 2025 beat on revenue and EPS vs consensus: revenue $113.681M vs $111.738M*, EPS $0.00 vs -$0.0225*; EBITDA slightly below consensus at $3.824M vs $4.103M* (note: adjusted EBITDA was $5.522M) .
  • Q2 2025 (post-quarter context): company guided adjusted EBITDA $8.25M–$9.75M and same-store sales +1.5%–+2.5%; actual came in above revenue and EPS estimates per S&P Global; consensus revisions likely to reflect sustained comp/digital strength and development cadence .
    Values retrieved from S&P Global.*

Key Takeaways for Investors

  • Execution improving: Q1 revenue and EPS beat consensus; adjusted EBITDA exceeded prior guidance high end, with margin tailwinds from commodity deflation and disciplined G&A, offset by lapping one-time settlement .
  • Near-term trading setup: Positive Q2 comp/EBITDA guidance and continued digital momentum could support estimate revisions and sentiment; watch for follow-through on Q2 comps despite Easter headwind .
  • Medium-term growth flywheel: ≥38 2025 openings, 40 new Q1 commitments, and Large Area Developer incentives expand pipeline quality/pace; development visibility is strengthening .
  • Unit economics/ops: PDCX rollout and remodel tests target labor efficiency and throughput gains; monitor realized labor savings and service speeds through 2H’25/2026 .
  • Pricing discipline: Gross price “just north of 3%” for 2025, aligned to input costs while protecting traffic; look for loyalty-driven personalization to lift frequency without heavy discounting .
  • Capital allocation: Active buybacks with $17.5M remaining and selective company densification aimed at outsized EBITDA contribution; track cash generation and leverage under the credit facility .
  • Risks: Weather/macro/tariff variability, labor and rent pressure in certain markets; management’s commentary suggests monitoring commodity trajectories and consumer behavior closely .

Additional Press Releases Relevant to Q1 2025

  • Potbelly launches 50/50 Large Area Developer Incentive Program to reward accelerated multi-unit development timelines, supporting faster scale with financially savvy franchisees .

Appendix: Reconciliations and Operating Data References

  • Consolidated statements, non-GAAP reconciliations, shop-level margin, and selected operating data for Q1 2025 are provided in the press release and 8-K exhibits .
  • Prior quarters’ financials and operating data (Q4 2024, Q3 2024) for trend analysis and context .