Quanta Services - Earnings Call - Q1 2025
May 1, 2025
Executive Summary
- Q1 2025 delivered double-digit revenue and adjusted EPS growth; revenue of $6.23B and adjusted EPS of $1.78 both exceeded Wall Street consensus, while GAAP EBITDA ran below Street expectations; record backlog reached $35.25B, and RPO was $17.65B.
- Management raised full-year 2025 guidance midpoints for revenue, GAAP diluted EPS, adjusted EPS, EBITDA, and adjusted EBITDA, while maintaining cash flow targets—a positive catalyst for the stock.
- Strategic wins and positioning: selected for LADWP’s $1B+ transmission upgrade (start mid-2026), continued data-center/technology demand via Cupertino, and S&P credit upgrades to BBB/A-2 strengthen financing flexibility.
- Key narratives from the call: accelerating high-voltage transmission cycle, resilient demand from data centers/AI, limited tariff impact so far, and disciplined M&A/supply-chain solutions (transformers) to support execution.
- Capital allocation remained active: ~$135M buybacks YTD into April and a $0.10/share quarterly dividend (annual $0.40), underscoring balance sheet strength and cash generation.
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
What Went Well
- Record backlog ($35.25B) and strong RPO ($17.65B) underpin multi-year visibility; management emphasized robust double-digit growth in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS and raised full-year guidance.
- Transmission opportunity expanding materially; CEO highlighted early-stage visibility into large-scale 765kV build-outs and expects stacking of work over the next five years.
- Data center and technology markets remain powerful growth drivers; Cupertino is ahead of plan with strong programmatic, book-to-bill dynamics and substantial TAM expansion for Quanta.
- “We have increased the midpoint of our revenue, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS expectations for the full year of 2025” — Duke Austin, CEO.
- “Adjusted EBITDA was $504 million or 8.1% of revenues… We generated healthy cash flows… despite a $109 million tax payment deferred from 2024” — Jayshree Desai, CFO.
What Went Wrong
- Sequential margin compression: consolidated operating margin fell to 3.8% in Q1 from 6.9% in Q4 and 6.6% in Q3; training/onboarding costs and amortization weighed near term.
- GAAP EBITDA trailed Street consensus (Street ~ $479M vs. actual ~$448M), even as adjusted EBITDA was robust; mix, amortization, and integration/training costs are headwinds near term*.
- Free cash flow dropped to $117.8M versus $181.2M in the prior year quarter, partially reflecting timing (deferred tax payment) and higher capex.
- Analysts raised concerns around tariff impacts and interconnection uncertainties; management noted minimal direct tariff impact so far and portfolio resilience but acknowledged potential timing risks.
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good morning and welcome to Quanta Services' first quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow management's prepared remarks, and we ask that you please hold all questions until that time. I will then provide instructions for the question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time. I will now turn the call over to Kip Rupp, Vice President, Investor Relations, for introductory remarks.
Kip Rupp (VP of Investor Relations)
Thank you and welcome everyone to the Quanta Services' first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. This morning, we issued a press release announcing our first quarter 2025 results, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at quantaservices.com. This morning, we also posted our first quarter 2025 operational and financial commentary and our 2025 outlook expectation summary on Quanta's Investor Relations website. While management will make brief introductory remarks during this morning's call, the operational and financial commentary is intended to largely replace management's prepared remarks, allowing additional time for questions from the institutional investment community. Please remember that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, May 1st, 2025, and therefore you are advised that any time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of any replay of this call.
This call will include forward-looking statements and information intended to qualify under the safe harbor from liability established by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements reflecting expectations, intentions, assumptions, or beliefs about future events or financial performance that do not solely relate to historical or current facts. We should not place undue reliance on these statements as they involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that are difficult to predict or beyond Quanta's control, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. We will also present certain historical and forecasted non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release and operational and financial commentary. Please refer to these documents for additional information regarding our forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures.
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Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Thanks, Kip. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Quanta Services' first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. This morning, we reported our first quarter 2025 results, which included robust double-digit growth in revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted earnings per share, along with a record backlog of $35.3 billion and a number of other record financial metrics. As a result, we have increased our full year 2025 expectations for revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted earnings per share. Quanta's core strategy is built on the foundation of craft skilled labor, execution certainty, investment discipline, and clear strategic rationale. At the heart of Quanta's success is our unmatched craft workforce, delivering essential infrastructure solutions with a dedication to safety, quality, and performance. Our execution certainty, combined with strategic investments in talent, technology, and complementary businesses, strengthens Quanta's leadership position across our expanding and addressable markets.
Our investment decisions are guided by a disciplined strategic rationale aimed at reinforcing Quanta's differentiated platform, growing customer partnerships, and driving long-term sustainable value creation. Quanta differentiates itself through a unique solution-based approach that integrates craft labor with engineering, technology, and program management expertise to deliver comprehensive self-perform infrastructure solutions. Rather than providing isolated services, Quanta partners with customers to solve complex challenges across the full project lifecycle, which creates deeper strategic relationships. Our collaborative model drives higher value for our customers and positions Quanta as a trusted partner and solutions provider, not a contractor. As demand for resilient electric grids, power generation, technology expansion, and energy infrastructure accelerates, Quanta's large addressable markets continue to grow.
Quanta has a proven track record of consistent, profitable growth across both favorable and challenging conditions, demonstrating the resilience and sustainability of our business model, which is a testament to the strength of our portfolio approach, a diversified solution-based strategy that enables us to adapt to evolving industry dynamics while delivering mission-critical infrastructure. The successful execution of our strategic plan, combined with significant financial liquidity, positions us well to not only navigate periods of uncertainty but emerge stronger. The energy and infrastructure landscape is undergoing a fundamental transformation, and Quanta is positioned at its center. Utilities across the United States are experiencing and forecasting meaningful increases in power demand, which is being driven by the adoption of new technologies and related infrastructure, including data centers and artificial intelligence, policies intended to reinforce domestic manufacturing and supply chain resources, and the need for all forms of energy generation.
We believe these drivers are leading to what could become the largest investment in an expansion of high-voltage transmission infrastructure in a generation. Quanta's unmatched execution platform and solution-based mindset enable us to capitalize on these expanding opportunities, positioning Quanta for sustained leadership and long-term growth. I will now turn the call over to Jayshree Desai, Quanta CFO, to provide a few remarks about our results and 2025 guidance, and then we will take your questions. Jayshree.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Thanks, Duke, and good morning, everyone. This morning, we reported strong first quarter results, including revenues of $6.2 billion, net income attributable to common stock of $144 million or $0.96 per diluted share, and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.78. Adjusted EBITDA was $504 million, or 8.1% of revenues. Additionally, we generated healthy cash flows in the first quarter, with cash flow from operations of $243 million and free cash flow of $118 million, both of which include the impact of a $109 million tax payment deferred from 2024. Our first quarter performance reflects a continuation of the significant revenue, EBITDA, and EPS growth, and the free cash flow generation that we have achieved since 2020. Over that period, we have demonstrated our ability to grow organically and maintain a disciplined approach to acquisitions and short repurchases while improving our cash flow profile and return on invested capital.
This track record has facilitated our ability to raise debt capital as an investment-grade borrower and efficiently delever following opportunistic capital deployment. Accordingly, during the quarter, S&P Global Ratings upgraded our long-term issuer rating to BBB flat from BBB- and our short-term issuer rating to A-2 from A3. We believe these credit upgrades lower our borrowing costs, expand our liquidity and financing options, and strengthen our financial position while supporting our long-term growth strategy. As Duke mentioned, our performance in the first quarter, coupled with the momentum we're seeing across our core markets, has led us to increase our 2025 expectations for revenues by $100 million, adjusted EBITDA by $10 million, and adjusted earnings per share by $0.15.
In light of the recent trade policy actions and based on what we understand today, we believe the terms and conditions in our contracts limit our exposure to direct cost increases associated with the currently implemented tariffs. As a result, we believe we have addressed those potential impacts within our range of expectations in our full year 2025 guidance. We are also proactively collaborating with our customers to provide supply chain, process, and value-driven solutions focused on cost optimization and growth. Further, we are adjusting our own supply chain by making strategic advanced purchases, as well as working with existing suppliers and evaluating additional suppliers in an effort to manage material and equipment costs and product availability. In addition, we believe our full year range of 2025 guidance takes into consideration delays that could result from possible changes to the Inflation Reduction Act, or IRA.
To date, we have seen immaterial shifts in capital plans from our sophisticated and high-quality renewable energy customers, who we believe have the supply chain expertise and robust development pipeline to weather near-term impacts from policy disruptions. Demand for power is increasing rapidly. As such, the need for renewable energy generation and storage is strong, and we remain confident in our multi-year CAGR expectations. We are actively engaged with our customers to provide solutions designed to help them navigate the evolving policy and regulatory environment, combining our craft labor capabilities with our engineering, procurement, and domestic manufacturing solutions. We believe our increased 2025 financial expectations demonstrate the strength of our portfolio approach to the business, our commitment to our long-term strategy, favorable end markets, and our partnership approach with our customers.
From January 1st to the date of this earnings release, we have repurchased approximately $135 million of our common stock, leaving us with approximately $365 million remaining under our existing repurchase authorization. Given our cash flow expectations and the strength of our balance sheet, we expect to remain opportunistic with stock repurchases while continuing to support strategic investments to generate incremental returns for our stockholders. Additional details and commentary about our 2025 financial guidance can be found in our operational and financial commentary and outlook expectation summary, both of which are posted on our IR website. Also, our first quarter 2025 operational financial commentary includes a new supplemental information table that provides estimated revenue growth opportunities across each of our key markets in 2025, along with the factors influencing those opportunities.
Note, this information is a directional estimate that is not intended to replace or exactly align with our guidance for the year. Quanta's strategies are focused on delivering solutions to customers across all of our end markets, and we continue to emphasize the power of our aggregate portfolio of solutions and the cash flow, earnings, and returns they generate. With that, we are happy to answer your questions. Operator?
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We will now move to our question and answer session. We ask that all participants limit themselves to one question. If you have additional questions, you may re-queue and ask those questions with address time permitting. If you have joined via the webinar, please use the raise hand icon, which can be found at the bottom of your webinar application. When you are called on, please unmute your line and ask your question.
We will now pause a moment to assemble the queue. Your first question comes from Ameet Thakkar from BMO Capital Markets. Please unmute your line and ask your question, Ameet.
Ameet Thakkar (Analyst)
Good morning. Can you hear me?
Operator (participant)
Loud and clear. Please go ahead.
Ameet Thakkar (Analyst)
Thank you very much. Thanks for the time. Just I got a, I guess, a question maybe that's a little bit off the beaten path, but it looked like the Long Island Power Authority, I guess, voted down your application to kind of be the grid operator there. I just was wondering, was any of that kind of baked into your guidance for this year? The second question is that sort of kind of grid operator role, is that something you envision doing more of in other jurisdictions? Thanks.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah, thank you. First off, the LIPA, when we looked at it, you know, look, it's an opportunity where we perform this type of arrangement in Puget Sound as well. It's a little different than the one in Puerto Rico, but as we see opportunities to look at these types of arrangements, yes, we will look at them. I think what they did yesterday was management, the management team voted for Quanta. I thought it was very well done, a very, very good process. The board did not take the recommendation but gave no remedy. I think from our standpoint, we'll clarify with the board their concerns. Certainly much different than what we faced in Puerto Rico, where we built a utility, essentially. Much, much different. I think we'll be able to basically give them the feedback that's necessary.
I can understand where they were coming from, if not, having not talked to us, and we'll get in front of that and see what happens there. These opportunities happen. We get asked to do a lot of different things as we differentiate ourselves in the market. I do think you'll continue to see outliers that you may not hear about every other day, but we're not a utility. We understand that. We support them, and there'll be opportunities every now and then that we get involved in these kinds of arrangements.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Yeah, this was not anticipated in our guide.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
No.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Andy Kaplowitz from Citi Research. If you'd like to unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Andy.
Andy Kaplowitz (Analyst)
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Hello.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Good morning.
Andy Kaplowitz (Analyst)
Duke, you mentioned the largest expansion of high-voltage transmission, I think you said in a generation. Maybe you could elaborate on that and how you think this cycle plays out. Do you see a bigger slug of transmission projects starting to actually move forward now, as I'm sure you saw recent developments in Texas with a big line being approved? Would you expect to continue to see sequential backlog growth moving forward despite all the macro uncertainty out there?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yes. You need transmission in order to move generation. We have said this all along. I think you have to think about it. You hear a lot about the grid, only at 60% capacity, things like that. I go and say, you know, we have a freeway here in Texas. It goes from San Antonio to Houston. It is 24 lanes here in Houston. It is about probably 50% full because you see it in the mornings and the afternoons. If I took eight lanes out, it would back all the way up to San Antonio. I never get into Houston. You have to look at it like that, that the grid needs the stability of transmission going to load sources and going into data centers, things of that nature. We continue to see firm demand and then hundreds of gigs, honestly, across the board.
As we see that, as it firms up, that's transmission behind it. I do not think off-grid is the answer. I think it will be primarily on-grid for our utility customers. This is a big bill. I would relate it back to the 1970s when you had major expansion within your transmission system. That is what we see. I have not seen a line yet that is built in North America that has not paid itself back very quickly at this point. You will see a lot of it for the ultimate customer. It is the right answer, and you will continue to see a lot of transmission.
Andy Kaplowitz (Analyst)
Thanks, Duke.
Operator (participant)
Thank you for your question, Andy. Our next question is from Phil Shen from ROTH Capital. If you'd like to unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Phil. If you're dialed in by phone, Phil, if you would press star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute your line. Okay. Looks like we're having a problem with Phil there. If we could go to Joe Osha from Guggenheim Partners. Unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Joseph.
Joe Osha (Analyst)
Okay. There we go. Can you hear me?
Operator (participant)
Loud and clear. Please go ahead.
Joe Osha (Analyst)
Yes. Okay. Thank you and good morning. We have seen a lot in terms of incremental tariffs being imposed on imports for solar modules. Yeah, this is something that came up when First Solar reported earlier this week. Is this materializing as a problem for any of your customers at all to the extent you're hearing about it? Thank you.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Thanks for the question. We have not seen that within our customer base. We certainly are keeping our eyes on it and listening. We're not seeing it. We're not seeing it pull in. We're not seeing it push out per se. I think 2025 is baked into 2026. We will continue to look at it, but it's not affecting us at this point. I would say this too. The company is built to have push-outs. The portfolio allows us to have things move along with service lines and our customer base. It's not an issue if something pushes here or there. It's never the company. I wish it would perform at 100%, but we're doing really good if we get 80% kind of online and at the times that we think they're going because you're always going to have pushes and pulls.
The tariffs, if they were to come in and affect us, I do believe the portfolio is such that we could weather much of it. We see multi-year builds coming at us. I do think solar is the cheapest form of energy in many ways. You'll see a lot of solar build and gas and about everything we can build, probably.
Andy Kaplowitz (Analyst)
Thank you.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Philip Shen. If you are unmuted, if you could go ahead and ask your question, please.
Philip Shen (Analyst)
Hi. Can you hear me okay?
Operator (participant)
Loud and clear. Please go ahead.
Philip Shen (Analyst)
Yes. Yeah. Okay. Great. Hey, sorry about that. Having trouble with the Zoom. First question is on interconnection work. We recently hosted a webinar with Grid Strategies, and they highlighted that 50 GW of coal plants may not be decommissioned. This could result in tens of billions of interconnection work proximate to coal plants stranded as the renewable projects planning to access the coal interconnection points could be at risk. What are your thoughts on this potential, and how could this impact your backlog? Second one, very quick one on the renewables subsegment, if you will. If you were to think about your total megawatts of construction starts in 2025 now, that you expect compared with what you expected for those 2025 construction starts that year in 2024, has that changed at all, or has it remained steady? Thanks, guys.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah, I'll go backwards. Look, I think it's steady. It's certainly not the pace of growth over last year, but it's steady and climbing. I like where we sit with that business. We're doing very well with battery solar, even onshore wind. So I like where we're sit. I think the inbounds are good. If you want power quickly, you're going to have to look at renewables for the next three years because of the turbine deliveries. I do think it's always going to be a part of the grid. We've always said natural gas will be a big piece of it. We've said that for a decade. We're going to catch up a little bit here, and it'll be a part. As far as coal, not a lot of investment in coal over the last, call it, 10 years.
It costs a lot of money to run coal plants right now. There has not been that investment in them. Most thought they were going to retire, so you have to keep them going. That said, yes, I do think we are going to either see some co-locations in areas where they will build gas on a coal site, and you are going to need transmission, or you are going to continue to see transmission come out of coal facilities to upgrade. I do not think there is any shortage of projects on the wall. I will say that. If they all go, then we have a lot of work for the next two decades. I think we have it either way.
Operator (participant)
Thank you for your question, Philip. Our next question comes from Jamie Cook from Truist Securities. If you'd like to unmute yourself and ask your question, please. Jamie, you're the same. You'll need to press star six to unmute your line for your telephone.
Jamie Cook (Analyst)
Hi, sorry. Can you hear me now?
Operator (participant)
That's great. Fire away.
Jamie Cook (Analyst)
Sorry. Sorry about that. Nice quarter and congrats on the transmission upgrade win this morning. I guess just my first question, just as I think about understanding you guys have a targeted margin range for your electric infrastructure business or what we're calling it now, but just pushing you as you continue to win larger projects in the mix towards larger CapEx projects versus maintenance sort of continues, why wouldn't that create a positive upward momentum on your margins to some degree, even though you might not want to guide there over the longer term, but I would think in the next sort of 12 to 18 or 24 months, the margin trajectory should be higher. Just what your pushback would be on that. My second question, and I'm sorry, I'm going through multiple earnings this morning.
I don't think you provided an update on Cupertino about how that business is doing versus your expectations for 2025. Then Duke, I think last quarter you suggested there were some very large wins on the come as you benefit from synergies with Cupertino and Quanta. I'm just wondering if you could update us on that and any potential wins on a revenue synergy side in 2025. Thank you.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, Jamie. I think the target margins, they remain what we've said. If you're adding 4,000 employees, we're pacing even more than that at this point. You're going to have a training cost in there. The training cost will keep the margins about where they're at. They could move a bit here or there in the upper ends of what we've said. I know that's a different segment, but you can infer the electric what it used to be and infer some uplift on the segment. I do think we're executing very well in the field and real proud of kind of first quarter of last year versus this year and what we've been able to do at scale. The biggest thing is to scale the business, and we're doing that nicely now.
You are seeing more material pull through as well at the same margins. Your return on invested capital is going to come through higher. I think returns go up as well in this market. Again, I mean, I think we want to be a solution provider and provide more services and create more value along the supply chain. We are going to do that. Cupertino's ahead of schedule. I think you can infer that by backlog and some of the things we are doing there. It is ahead. We are really, from our standpoint, great business. I have been around a bunch of acquisitions, and I would tell you it is in the top five from my standpoint as far as having a good acquisition that we can lean into and scale. They are there. We are getting synergies all the time.
I do think you're going to see big awards out of that because the technology, when we think through it, your total addressable market on technologies, call it $300 billion a year at global. Let's just call it $200 billion in North America. The utility business is about $250 billion. It is as big as an addressable market for us, and we're less than probably 5% in backlog in technology. We're just starting. I see opportunity after opportunity. Can we execute it? Can we go get it? I like our chances.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Ati Modak from Goldman Sachs. Ati, if you'd like to unmute your line and go ahead and ask your question.
Ati Modak (Analyst)
Yeah. Thank you. Duke, you spoke about the transmission opportunity broadly earlier. In the supplemental disclosure, you kind of noted that the larger projects are becoming increasingly visible. Can you talk about that visibility? What stages do you see these at? When should we expect these to show up in the backlog? How should we think about revenue and margin impacts from there?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
I mean, I think you're hearing it. There's 765 builds across the country. You've heard that. Someone just mentioned coal. I hadn't heard that one yet, so that's good. I think you have to look at the RTOs of what they're saying, your MISOs, your PJMs. You can hear all the options that are there. You can hear that as well as the CapEx spends. I know there's this disclaimer where generation is going to replace transmission. That couldn't be more false. That's just wrong. I don't know how else to say it. I'm with them every day. I'm on the ground. I hear it. That's wrong. That's a fallacy. Transmission will be very robust here. Distribution will be fine. It won't grow as fast as transmission, but it's here.
Those are the places I would point to where you can see large transmission getting built. We're in early stages of it, the very early stages. I do think you'll continue to see us stack work over the next five years. I'll leave it there.
Joe Osha (Analyst)
Thank you.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from Steven Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead and unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Steven.
Steven Fisher (Analyst)
Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to ask you, Duke, in terms of your solution strategy, how would you characterize the white space from here based on kind of what you're hearing from your customers about the solutions that they need? I guess from an M&A perspective, is 2025 more of a kind of a continued fill-in-the-white-space kind of year, or is this sort of a digest what you have at the moment kind of year?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Thanks, Steve. I'll go backwards on it. Good question. When we look at M&A, we can't time it. As we see great companies that fit the strategic rationale that we're looking for, we'll lean into them. I can't tell you the pace. I can tell you there's a lot of inbounds that we see, really nice companies out there, have opportunities all the time to look at them. As we see them, if they fit the rationale, we'll certainly try to lean into them. Not concerned with our balance sheet at this point. We'll always protect it, but I'm not seeing us stress it at this point. All things are on the table. You saw us buy $134 million worth of stock back this year as it got disconnected. We said we would. We did.
You can expect us to acquire when we see great companies as well. I forgot the first part of the question.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
White space, total service.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
I think I tried to, in the paragraph, I tried to explain it. I think if you're isolated on a service line, you're a contractor. If you can put them all together and go perform a service, you're providing a solution. We're looking in areas where the customer's struggling to ramp, and we're able to do multiple service lines for them, whether it be engineering, whether it be procurement. Each customer has a different set of, I guess, needs. We're really trying to do more than just be a service line provider or a contractor. That's, in my way of saying, that's a solution because I'm going to listen to what they have to offer, collaborate with them, get very sticky in their organization, and then trust us to go build it on time on budget with their own labor.
I think us self-performing 85% of the business and that self-perform capability and that certainty that we give a client, bankable as far as investment grade, we check the boxes, and why wouldn't you want us to do it all is what I would say.
Steven Fisher (Analyst)
Terrific. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Fleishman from Wolfe Research. Please unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Steve.
Steve Fleishman (Analyst)
Okay. Can you hear me?
Operator (participant)
Loud and clear. Please go ahead.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Okay. Thank you. A little more specific on the transmission question, just the Texas just approved the 765 kV plan. Any sense on when that would actually be business that could be backlog and just view of likelihood of you getting a fair share of that? Yeah, Steve. We built a lot of the 765 in the country, the majority of it, over time. I do believe it's a core competency of ours to build it. I always like our chances when we're building 765. We've been in front of this a long time. I'm not surprised by the amount of it. I'm not surprised by the inbound discussions. We're doing some things there that I think are unique with the client. I think we're in good shape.
I would say I'd be surprised if it's not in the third quarter or maybe early fourth quarter, you would start to see us have the opportunities to book work.
Steve Fleishman (Analyst)
One other quick question. Very simple one. Just the upgrade and guidance midpoint for the year, is that just first quarter beating your expectation? Is there anything you'd specifically point to for raising the midpoint?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
I mean, we were looking at the whole year and how we see it laying out. I thought we had a nice quarter. I felt like we're trying to be prudent about the back half with everything moving around, but the way we see it laying out and the way the work's flowing and the things that we know, I felt comfortable enough to move it a bit just to show confidence in the business and as well as where we think we're going to end up for the year. I do still think we're prudent about how we're looking at it. I think there's a lot of opportunity for us. If you ask me to kind of look at the high side of the range and the low side of the range, I would lean to the high side for sure.
Steve Fleishman (Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, Steve. Our next question is from Mike Dudas from Vertical Research Partners. Please unmute yourself and ask your question, Michael.
Mike Dudas (Analyst)
Good morning, everybody.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Good morning.
Mike Dudas (Analyst)
Duke, maybe you could share how you've seen the strategic benefits from increasing your own supply chain access for your clients. As you're looking to help them access elsewhere, what are the dynamics of, because I'm sure everybody plus three is trying to figure out similar solutions, how is that market and the dynamics there and how your internal opportunities are helping you provide more of those solutions? Is that part of what you'll be looking for on the acquisition over the next several quarters? Thank you.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah, Mike. The transformers, I think, that we acquired, we did it on purpose. It was purposeful. It was U.S.-based. I was concerned. We were concerned with China and the amount of China transformers that were in utility systems. That concern led us to U.S.-based transformers in Pittsburgh. It was a 100-year-old company with a lot of IP. It allowed it to expand. It had UL codes across the country. It's not easy to have transformer manufacturing of the class of, call it 138 up to 765. If we can do that, if we can execute through there, we're not trying to be a manufacturer per se. We want to get the pull-through. We want to do the work. We do have great, what I would consider relationships with other transformer manufacturers, breaker manufacturers, and we'll keep those as well.
We have learned a lot about our supply chain internally with our EPC business. I do think we are able to really have a solution base to clients as they come in. It is a core competency. It is something now where it used to be labor equipment. Now it is labor equipment supply chain. If we continue down the path and get it right over and over again, we will get better internally and externally. I really like what we are doing there. I think our clients like it, and we are able to really expand the business through that mechanism.
Mike Dudas (Analyst)
Thanks, Duke.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Sure.
Operator (participant)
Thanks, Michael. Our next question is from Justin Hauke from Robert W. Baird. If you'd like to unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Justin.
Justin Hauke (Analyst)
Yes. Great. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I guess I have one maybe larger question, and then I've got just a small technical one. I guess on the large 500 kV line that you announced this morning that's starting in mid-2026, I was just hoping maybe you could give us some perspective on kind of the size or scope of that, particularly as that's coming on or starting kind of as you're ramping down on SunZia. Just trying to understand kind of maybe the relative size between those two. Also, what's the status and risk on the permitting side, given that that's not starting construction for another year or so? I just what needs to happen. My small technical one for Jayshree, I guess, is the two acquisitions in the quarter.
I just wanted to confirm those are the ones you announced last quarter on the earnings release. They were not incremental ones. Are there any incremental acquisitions as part of the guidance increase? Thank you.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Yeah. I'll quickly answer that and let Duke answer the other question. Yes, those are the two acquisitions we announced last quarter, and there are no additional ones at this stage.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
As far as the LADWP line, that is public. I'll give you some, you can go look at it, but it's a billion plus. That's the only reason I'm going to give it to you, because it's public. I think from that standpoint, I do think the permitting and things like that are on target, and we'll be getting into it in 2026.
Justin Hauke (Analyst)
Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
Operator (participant)
Thanks for your question, Justin. Our next one is from Adam Thalhimer. If you would like to unmute your line and ask your question, please.
Adam Thalhimer (Analyst)
Good morning, guys. Nice quarter.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Adam Thalhimer (Analyst)
Wanted to ask about the pipeline market. Are you seeing anything interesting in the long-term bidding or planning, Duke, that would make you think that 2026 could be a recovery year for large pipe?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Look, I think there's more opportunity for certain. You're hearing it. You're hearing the president get behind more pipe, more drilling, more pipe, more drilling. I do think that's out there. Obviously, shippers are our pipeline customers. We've maintained all kinds of discussions going on. I don't think it from my standpoint, we need some pipe, obviously, with the amount of natural gas on the books, for combined cycles, things of that nature, especially on the Eastern Seaboard. I do think you'll get some built. I just don't think the business is going to be super. I mean, LNG takeaways, it's good. It'll be better, and we're looking forward to capturing some of that work. Again, I think very difficult still to build linear construction pipelines.
Adam Thalhimer (Analyst)
Thanks, Duke.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Sure.
Operator (participant)
Thank you for your question. Our next question is from Sangita Jain from KeyBanc. If you'd like to unmute yourself and ask your question, please, Sangita.
Sangita Jain (Analyst)
Hi. I'm not sure if you can hear me yet.
Operator (participant)
We can hear you. Please go ahead.
Sangita Jain (Analyst)
Okay. Great. Thank you. Just a couple of questions. One, maybe for Duke, some companies have recently alluded to the lack of a good workforce to execute on natural gas generation projects on time and on budget. Since you have the largest craft labor force, would you consider or what would you need to consider branching out into natural gas generation EPC to help your customers?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. I mean, thank you for the question. I do think it's something that is needed. We have what I would consider a contractor approach where we have the sum of the parts. We've built them before. We can certainly have a resume to build them. The way I would characterize it is if we decide to do that and if we lean into them, we're not taking risk. There's too much risk on the unknowns of the new turbines and things of that nature. We'll just shy away from the risk, and we can grow the business nicely without the risk. That's how I would look at it.
Sangita Jain (Analyst)
Got it. Another one, maybe it's for Jayshree. Your revenue performance this quarter was really strong. Book-to-bill was kind of one. I'm wondering if that is a sign of the times that your customers are more willing to do faster turnaround projects versus taking longer to book large projects.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
No, I don't think you should read anything into that, Sangita. I think it's just normal timing around our backlog. We're pleased with how the backlog is growing. As Duke talked about, the relationships with our customers just keep getting stronger and stronger. We see growth across project-based MSA work. It's across the board. I think there's nothing more to read to it than just timing around those things.
Sangita Jain (Analyst)
Got it.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
I also think some of the work that Cupertino books, when you look at it, it's very programmatic, almost base business-type work, and it's book-to-bill almost in months. Nice jobs, but it comes in $10 million-$50 million-type spurts. That's the way that business has gone. They can book-to-bill quite a bit in a given quarter. That's the same with most of the businesses. You'll get a lot of that that happens. I still believe you'll see a lot of programmatic MSA renewals are there. They're larger. I continue to think that the backlog will be at record levels.
Sangita Jain (Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you for your question. Our next question is from Drew Chamberlain from JPMorgan. If you'd like to unmute your line, Drew, and ask your question, please.
Drew Chamberlain (Analyst)
Yeah. Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I just want to look a little deeper into what's hitting the backlog on the power generation side. You kind of talk through what's coming in between solar, storage, and wind. How have conversations with customers maybe changed since the tariffs have been announced, particularly on storage? I appreciate that 2025 probably has some pretty good visibility on what's going to be installed and put in place. Are you worried at all about the tariff impact to 2026, 2027 projects where equipment's not yet in the States?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. Look, I worry about everything. I would tell you the business is set well past 2026. I am worried about 2027, 2028, 2029. I think what we see is good visibility in supply and demand. That supply side is not going to match demand without renewables. It is not going to get close. You need the renewables to match the demand. You need them. Under any scenario, you cannot see yourself not building solar at utility-scale solar for a long period of time here. It makes so much sense. Batteries are shaving peak. I looked at some load growth and some graphs in Texas of how it is shaving peak quite a bit in Texas. It is making a lot of sense, and you can see it showing up.
From a flexibility standpoint to the grid, if you can back it with natural gas and you can have a line with natural gas, solar, wind, even, and battery on it, it's the lowest cost of energy to the consumer. That's what you'll hear a lot about adjustable spend. You can say, "Hey, we're going to put coal on," but no one looks at the cost. Or, "We're going to put nuke on," but the cost is going to be a factor here at some point. We got to look at the most economical ways to fill the lineup. I think if you have a blended resource like we've had for the last five decades, as long as you look at it, all forms of energy, you'll be in good shape.
When you ask us what we're booking, we're booking all of it: repowers and the wind side, some wind work. It's probably off a bit, but our solar is more robust, and our batteries are even more robust than our solar. I like where we sit in the business.
Drew Chamberlain (Analyst)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, Drew. Our next question comes from Brian Brophy from Stifel Nicolaus. If you'd like to unmute your line and ask your question, please, Brian.
Brian Brophy (Analyst)
Thanks. Good morning. Can you hear me?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Good morning.
Operator (participant)
We can. Please go ahead.
Brian Brophy (Analyst)
Thank you. Under the new kind of key market disclosure, there's a technology and load center bucket there. Can you help us understand what is all in there? Is that primarily Cupertino? And what's driving that particularly strong growth rate this year? Thanks.
Jayshree Desai (CFO)
Yeah. That is a lot of the work that Cupertino is doing. It is also some of the work, Legacy Quanta, around our inside electric work and data centers, semiconductors, chip plants. It is all of that will be captured in that bucket.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. I think that's kind of the when we talked about TAM earlier, we were saying it was kind of $300 billion, which I think is a remarkable number that technology on infrastructure is going to spend $300 billion this year and probably more next. In saying that, that's that bucket.
Brian Brophy (Analyst)
Thanks. I'll pass it on.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is from Laura Maher from B. Riley. If you'd like to unmute your line and ask your question, please, Laura.
Laura Maher (Analyst)
Hi. Can you hear me okay?
Operator (participant)
We can. Please go ahead.
Laura Maher (Analyst)
Okay. Thanks for taking the question. Two questions. My first one is just with the growth of data centers, which stages of data center build are you seeing the most activity in? My second one would just be, could you provide any color on the underground business and particularly how it relates to potential tailwinds ramping up with the new administration and the pull away from renewables?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. I would say on the last part of the question, I missed the first. Maybe Jayshree heard it. On the underground side of the business, there's opportunities in large diameter pipe. You're hearing the administration get behind that. I do think natural gas is coming back in certain places where we are building natural gas. We never really stopped. I do think you can plan a bit better that natural gas will take a long period of time. That'll be a source of energy. Our LDC business is nice. We'll continue to give people options. It's not going to be all electric. They'll have natural gas options. I do see that as continuing to be a nice piece of the business. Canada, year over year, is off on the big pipe. It's down. I do see Canada coming back in this market.
I mean, given the fact that the tariffs have woke Canada up, that we do need infrastructure in Canada, they do need to build energy sources. I think you'll see a more robust Canada over the next few years. That business will come back. Like what I see up there as well, yeah, I mean, it's certainly incrementally better than it was. Our industrial business performed probably at record levels in the first quarter, very close to it. It's a nice quarter. I like the quarter from that standpoint. There's growth there. We like it. We'll continue to invest in it. The first part, I'm sorry, I missed it.
Laura Maher (Analyst)
I think the first part is around data center growth, if I heard that right.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Was it where it's at, the data center growth?
Laura Maher (Analyst)
Yes.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Is that the question?
Laura Maher (Analyst)
Which data centers are you seeing the most activity in with data center builds?
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's broad-based. I would say anywhere you can find a line that has 300 megawatts, they want a data center. So Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, all the way through Arizona, California. I mean, even California, if you look at it, if you go off-grid, I was out in the west. And if you're off-grid, it's extremely expensive. California has a lot of areas where you could put data centers. It's not near as expensive in California than off-grid. It makes sense to build in California even. We're seeing a lot of it to the west. There's not a place that I know of that we provide services to that doesn't have data center builds planned or planned and paid for, for that matter.
Operator (participant)
Thanks. Thank you, Laura. There are no more questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.
Duke Austin (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thank you. I want to thank our 61,000+ employees. They're the very best in the world. We couldn't do this without them. They make our lives easy and make our jobs easy. I want to thank everyone participating on the conference call. We appreciate your questions and your ongoing interest in Quanta Services. Thank you. This concludes our call.