Q2 - Earnings Call - Q1 2019
May 8, 2019
Transcript
Speaker 0
Good morning. My name is Krista, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q2 Holdings First Quarter twenty nineteen Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. And after the speakers' remarks, we will have a question and answer session.
Session. I will now turn the conference over to Josh Investor Relations Specialist. You may begin.
Speaker 1
Welcome to the Q2 Holdings conference call for the first quarter ended March 3139. I'm Josh Yankovich, Investor Relations Specialist. And with me today on the call are Matt Flake, our CEO and Jennifer Harris, our CFO. As a reminder, today's conference call is being broadcast live via webcast. In addition, a replay of the call will be available on our website following the call.
By now, you should have received a copy of our press release that was distributed yesterday afternoon. If you have not, it is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Before we begin, I would like to thank those of you who attended our Investor Day in New York earlier this year and note that for those of you unable to attend, a recording of the webcast is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Before beginning, we must also caution you that today's remarks, including statements made during the question and answer session, contain forward looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous important factors, risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from the results implied by these or other forward looking statements.
Also, these statements are based solely on present information and are subject to risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in forward looking statements. For additional information, please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the risk factors contained therein and other disclosures. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward looking statements. During this call, we'll be referring to both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures. We believe that non GAAP measures are representative of how we internally measure the business and they're reconciled to GAAP in the tables attached to our press release, which is available on the Investor Relations portion of our website.
The non revenue financial measures we will discuss today are non GAAP unless we state the measure as a GAAP number. Any non GAAP outlook we provide has not been reconciled to the comparable GAAP outlook because among other things, we cannot reliably estimate our future stock based compensation expense, which is dependent on our future stock price. Since we expect our future stock based compensation expense to have a significant impact on our future GAAP financial results, a reconciliation is not available on a forward looking basis without unreasonable effort. Let me now turn the call over to Matt.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Josh. I'd like to start today's call by talking briefly about our first Investor Day, which we held on February 28 before sharing our first quarter results and some highlights from across the business. I'll then turn it over to Jennifer who will provide a more detailed look at our first quarter financials and provide guidance for the second quarter and full year 2019. Thanks to those of you who were able to attend the Investor Day presentation. For those who weren't, I'd like to quickly cover what we shared and reiterate why we felt it was important to provide an update on where our business stands today as compared to the time of our IPO in 2014.
At the time of our IPO, we were a virtual banking provider with 3,100,000 end users across our three thirty four customers operating exclusively in the U. S. Bank and Credit Union markets. Since then, we have meaningfully expanded our market opportunity by growing our product portfolio organically and through strategic acquisitions, most recently with the additions of Grow, a digital onboarding solution and Cloud Lending, a SaaS end to end lending and leasing platform. We completed both of these acquisitions in the fourth quarter of twenty eighteen.
These acquisitions combined with our previous organic and strategic investments have equipped us to not only better pursue our primary market, but have also opened us to new customer segments and international geographies. All the while, we've continued to scale our digital banking platform business growing to support over 13,000,000 end users across more than 400 banks and credit unions. In 2014, we had one customer with more than $10,000,000,000 in assets. And I'm proud to say that today we have more than 30 customers that exceed $10,000,000,000 in assets, a testament to the expansion of our product portfolio and our execution in delivering those products. The result is that our total addressable market has expanded as well from $3,500,000,000 at the time of IPO to an estimated $8,000,000,000 today.
By building on our legacy of execution and our employee driven mission focused culture, we believe we are uniquely positioned not just as a provider of virtual banking, but as a leader in digital transformation for the global financial services industry with solutions that range from digital banking to banking as a service, digital lending and beyond. So turning to the first quarter results, we generated revenue of $71,300,000 up 30% year over year and 6% sequentially. We added approximately 300,000 users ending the quarter with approximately 13,100,000 registered users, up more than 19% year over year. We also had strong broad based sales performance that I feel reflects the updated and expanded view of our business today. From a bookings perspective, it was our strongest first quarter ever and was defined by the breadth of products we sold.
Although we just completed our acquisitions of Gro and Cloud Lending in the fourth quarter, we have already started to see strong cross pollination between our product sets both with existing and new customers. And I'll provide examples of that cross pollination throughout my sales commentary. On the Digital Banking side, we had a well balanced performance across credit union and bank markets including a Tier one bank win in the Northeast. This bank has an aggressive five year plan to grow its commercial portfolio and has recently launched several new branches in highly competitive East Coast markets. The bank undertook an evaluation to find a corporate offering that would help them compete for new business markets and ultimately selected Q2's corporate product suite over their incumbent solution and several other legacy providers.
Given that Q2 started in the retail and small business space, I view the continued success of our corporate product suite over the last few years as validation of our expansion into this segment of the market, an area which is increasingly important to both banks and credit unions. Even with our success in this space, we plan to continue our investment in expanding our feature functionality in order to build on our growing position in the market. I'd also like to quickly commend the execution of our Tier two and three sales organizations. While we tend to highlight specific wins in the Tier one space, the Tier two and three segments continue to be the bread and butter of our digital banking business where we continue to compete favorably. During the last quarter, we also signed an $8,000,000,000 bank for the newly acquired Q2 Growth Solution that represents the largest booking in Growth history.
Like our Centrix products, Growth is an off platform solution that we believe will lead to much larger cross sell opportunities. And to hammer that point home, we are now engaged with this bank in a digital banking evaluation. In addition to our net new sales execution, we had a solid quarter of cross sell activity as well. And while we had success with our traditional cross sell solutions like SentriX, Q2 SMART and Corporate, I'd like to share two unique stories from the quarter that I believe demonstrate the value of our new broader products and capabilities. The first was with an existing Tier one customer.
Like many financial institutions today, this customer has a strong lending business and is looking for new ways to acquire deposits at low cost in order to fuel their lending activity. The bank made a decision to pursue a direct bank strategy in which they will launch a new digital only counterpart to their primary brand and technology stack to acquire customers outside of their traditional geographic market. In this model, the bank will compete with the digital only challenger banks who are beginning to gain market share with their focus on easy enrollment, mobile first user experiences and products powered by data and analytics. In this case, the bank chose to pursue a second instance of Q2's online and mobile banking platform along with our Grow product for account onboarding to support their direct bank strategy, a decision that signals not only their satisfaction with our relationship, but also the fact that even in the highly competitive challenger bank market, our platform's user experience is a powerful differentiator. By leveraging our existing shared infrastructure, the bank expects to launch this new initiative in the third quarter of this year after signing in January, which by all accounts is a quick time to market and certainly a reason we felt the bank chose Q2.
The second story I want to share was the first cross sale of the Cloud Lending platform to an existing Q2 customer in the quarter. This is a $1,000,000,000 bank in Texas that launched a full RFP for a digital lending solution. They selected Cloud Lending for its superior borrower experience, the ability to deliver multiple asset classes from consumer to small business to complex commercial lending all from a single platform and because of the opportunity to integrate it to our digital banking platform. While it's the first of its kind, we believe this win is early validation of our hypotheses that the cloud lending platform will be a natural complement for our digital banking customers. And we plan to accelerate our investment in Cloud Lending in order to take advantage of the opportunity it represents.
In addition to this cross sale win, I'm pleased to report that the Cloud Lending team had a good start to the year on the net new side as well. I mentioned at the onset of the call that the acquisition of Cloud Lending helps us expand into new markets and new geos. And we saw demonstrations of both in the first quarter. In addition to the early traction in North America, it was a particularly strong quarter globally with meaningful wins in EMEA and APAC. One of the reasons Cloud Lending is succeeding in the market is the fact that it is cloud native and deployed on top of Salesforce, making it relatively quick to configure and deploy and decreasing time to value for Cloud Lending clients.
By way of example, we're proud to share that the $25,000,000,000 bank that we that purchased Cloud in the fourth quarter of twenty eighteen, which I mentioned on our last call, is already live on the platform today, generating loans in real time roughly six months after signing an agreement. While I still consider the digitization of the lending industry to be in its early innings, we see cloud lending as a tremendous opportunity. As mentioned earlier, we plan to continue our investment in cloud lending. Before I wrap up today, I'd like to discuss a few highlights from Q2 Open, our Banking as a Service portfolio that enables financial institutions and FinTechs to partner together and develop next generation financial products. For the Open team, was one of the strongest bookings quarters to date and one of the most balanced across traditional and FinTech markets.
On the FinTech side, Q2 Open continued its momentum signing multiple flagship FinTechs who will seek to launch deposit accounts using the Q2 Open technology in partnership with community banks. Increasingly as these fintechs achieve success and scale with their initial monoline products, they are looking to begin re bundling additional financial products into their application. For many of them deposit products such as checking account with a debit card or a high yield savings account become a logical next step. But they need modern technology and a strategic bank partner in order to launch and support these products. By simplifying what historically was a complex multi step process of sourcing multiple partners and antiquated technology solutions, Q2 Open is facilitating this banking as a service ecosystem with several leading FinTechs.
And we consider ourselves a leader in this nation's space. The open portfolio is also resonating with traditional financial institutions. And the team signed several such deals in the quarter, including one that is the first of its kind for Q2. In this deal, a $5,000,000,000 bank chose three distinct Q2 platforms: our digital banking platform, Gro for account onboarding and Q2 Open for back end processing to provide the end to end technology stack for a new direct bank initiative. The economic opportunity of this new direct bank deal will be similar to that of a Tier three platform deal.
But by executing on delivery, it creates a relationship that with the FI that could potentially lead to bigger opportunities in the future. As the direct bank trend continues to pick up pace in the market, I believe Q2's current product portfolio, which today is capable of supporting an entire digital only bank end to end positions us well to meet the growing demand for these direct bank solutions. Before handing the call over to Jennifer, I just want to reiterate how pleased I am with the booking success from the quarter. We're seeing tremendous synergy between our technology platforms organic and acquired, considerable traction in both traditional and FinTech markets and strong performance in our international regions. I'm pleased to share these sales updates with you and I want to remind you that our sales momentum is a direct function of partnering with our existing customers on the things that matter most to them: customer service, successful and timely delivery of our technology and continued innovation areas where we will maintain our focus even as we continue to expand our business.
With that, I'll hand the call over to Jennifer for a detailed discussion of our financial results.
Speaker 3
Thanks, Matt. We're pleased to have delivered first quarter revenue that exceeded our guidance and strong bookings across the board. Let me start by reviewing our results for the first quarter before finishing with updated guidance for the second quarter and full year 2019. Total revenue for the first quarter was $71,300,000 an increase of 30% year over year and up 6% from the previous quarter. Our increased revenue in the first quarter was the result of growth in subscription and services revenue.
Subscription revenue growth was driven by a combination of organic user growth, customer go lives in the quarter and a significant sequential increase in revenue contribution from the businesses acquired in the fourth quarter of last year. Services revenue also benefited from new customer go lives on the digital banking, lending and leasing platforms of the combined businesses. Transaction revenue represented 16% of total revenue in the quarter, consistent with the prior year and down slightly from 17% in the previous quarter. As we turn to gross margin and operating expenses, let me remind you that unless otherwise stated all references to our expenses and operating results are on a non GAAP basis. Gross margin was 52.3%, up from 52% in the previous quarter and down from 54.3% in the first quarter of twenty eighteen.
As a reminder, the first quarter of twenty eighteen included approximately $2,000,000 of revenue related to the adoption of ASC six zero six, which contained very modest incremental cost given the majority of it was merely related to the timing of the revenue recognition within the year. Without the benefit of the ASC six zero six timing adjustment, gross margin would have been relatively flat year over year influenced by the purchase accounting adjustments related to our recent acquisitions as well as the investment we are making to integrate those acquisitions. This investment also influenced the sequential decline along with the timing of employee hiring and turnover, higher payroll taxes associated with our annual bonus payments in the first quarter of twenty nineteen and higher than anticipated payroll taxes related to equity award vestings and exercises during the quarter. The payroll taxes related to our equity awards increased due to a combination of the increase in our stock value during the period and the number of non qualified stock options exercised during the period. As expected, operating expenses increased significantly as we continue to make investments in our business and integrate the businesses acquired at the end of twenty eighteen.
Total operating expenses were $40,000,000 up 46% from one year ago and up 16% from the previous quarter. The year over year and sequential increase in operating expenses is driven from the combination of headcount additions to support the continued growth in the core business as well as the acquisitions along with growth in the related employee benefits and the payroll taxes discussed previously. The sequential increase was concentrated in R and D and sales and marketing spend, reflecting our commitment to continued integration and innovation to capitalize on the sales momentum across all product lines. While I expect operating expense growth to moderate throughout the rest of the year, I would remind you that sales and marketing will show significant growth in absolute dollars in the second quarter given the timing of our Annual Client Conference. Adjusted EBITDA was $300,000 compared to $5,000,000 a year ago and $3,100,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty eighteen.
The decline was driven by the increased expenses relating to related to having a full quarter of expense for the acquisitions that closed during the previous quarter and the investment we are making in our business to integrate and scale those businesses as well as the timing of the payroll taxes discussed previously. Payroll taxes related to the increase in our stock value during the period and the number of non qualified stock options exercised during the period were approximately $1,000,000 and should produce a turnaround effect in the back half of the year as employees hit their social security caps and payroll taxes decline. As mentioned on our last call, margins will remain suppressed in the first half of the year as we absorb the acquisitions and eat through the purchase accounting adjustments with improvements in the back half of the year as the impact of the accounting adjustments become less significant. We ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents and investments of $164,500,000 down from $177,300,000 in the previous quarter. Cash flow from operations for the first quarter was negative $10,900,000 driven largely by the timing of our annual bonus payout.
In addition, we incurred net capital expenditures of $5,500,000 resulting in free cash flow of negative $16,400,000 Turning to backlog, we experienced a sequential increase of approximately $21,000,000 ending the quarter with just over $893,000,000 in committed backlog driven by the strong execution of our sales teams in the quarter. Now let me turn to our updated guidance. We forecast second quarter revenue in the range of $75,500,000 to $76,500,000 and raised full year guidance to the range of $308,800,000 to $311,800,000 representing a 28% to 29% year over year growth. This accelerated revenue growth was driven by our early booking success across existing and newly acquired business lines. We forecast second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $2,700,000 to $3,300,000 and hold full year guidance at $20,000,000 to $22,000,000 resulting in adjusted EBITDA margins for the full year of 6% to 7% consistent with the prior year.
On last quarter's call, I told you that approximately 75 of the adjusted EBITDA would be generated in the back half of the year as the impact of the investment in the acquisitions and the deferred revenue accounting adjustments become less significant. The payroll taxes incurred on equity awards in the first quarter have shifted timing such that we now estimate that approximately 80% of the adjusted EBITDA for the full year 2019 will be in the back half of the year. In summary, first quarter revenue and bookings have given us confidence to lift our full year revenue guidance and accelerate our investment in the continued integration of our newly acquired businesses in order to capitalize on the opportunity they present. With that, I will turn the call back to Matt for his closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Jennifer. In conclusion, as we shared at our Investor Day in February, Q2's business has clearly evolved since our IPO in 2014. We have expanded our capabilities considerably and our market opportunity has expanded to include new segments and new geographies as a result. I'm pleased with our execution across these new markets, geos and product lines as demonstrated in the first quarter. And given our pipeline and execution to date, my outlook for the rest of 2019 is equally positive.
As Jennifer and I both mentioned today, we plan to continue our investment in key areas of the business like Corporate Banking, Cloud Lending and Q2 Open to fuel the opportunity we see across our markets. Finally, as we prepare for our Annual Client Conference next week, my focus is on spending time with our clients to ensure that we remain strategically aligned and focused on the things that matter to them. I look forward to sharing some of their feedback with you on our second quarter call in August. Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.
Speaker 0
Your first question comes from the line of Sterling Auty from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Yes, thanks. Hi, guys. First, a quick shout out to Josh. Great job on the first call. Bobby would certainly be proud.
Speaker 2
Thanks. It was an emotional day for us, Dave.
Speaker 4
Let's start with actually, Jennifer, let's start with the investment that you're making and thinking about the margins for the year. Had You a couple of different moving parts. We had the investment being made in the new acquisitions. You do have some accounting impact. I wonder if you can just give us a little bit more attribution in terms of even if you don't go to specific dollars just rank order, what are having the biggest impacts in terms of the margins for both June and for the full year?
Speaker 3
So I think you've got a couple of things on the gross margin line and cost of sales, and that's the investment that we're making in infrastructure and folks to be able to deploy the new Cloud Lending and grow solutions as well as our continued Tier one successes that we've had on platform business in a timely manner. And also on that line, you've got increased regulatory costs with the evolving regulatory environment around now that we're international having GDPR compliance and then all of the privacy stuff that's coming out both internationally as well as here in The States. And then I think you see it on the development line and that's strictly related to the increase in the investment to continue to integrate the new products that we've brought on board over the last couple of quarters, as well as continued investment in the corporate product as we're continuing to see strong corporate traction with probably nine to 10 of our net new deals, including corporate during the quarter as well as a good number of cross sells of corporate. And then in sales and marketing to make sure that we are capitalizing on this opportunity that we're seeing in this digital transformation and the acquisition of Cloud Lending and the traction that we're getting with that product.
Speaker 4
Sounds good. And then my follow-up is for you, Matt. Given some of the macro things that are happening, is there any change in terms of the tone that you're hearing from your core customers? Because certainly sounds like you're getting the opportunity to talk about selling more products initially than what you have in the past. Is the spending environment from their perspective as robust as you have seen it?
Speaker 2
Yes, Sterling. I would say that obviously the interest rate environment has been not fantastic for them for quite a while. They are trying to manage their expenses, but this is not the area where they can go cheap and they're going to have to continue to invest in it. And I think what they're trying to do is figure out the other places where they can cut cost in order to continue to buy technology. But the conversations we're having out there are positive with the bankers.
It's just a matter of the stress on the interest rate environment is obviously weighing on them. But we continue to see just if you just look at the quarter, all the activity we had, when I look at the pipeline, I feel really good about the buying environment right now for our products.
Speaker 4
Got it. Thank you. Thanks, Sterling.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Tom Roderick from Stifel. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 5
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So I kind of want to talk just more broadly about go to market here. And I can't help but notice that the discussion highlighting that what you talked about a record Q1 bookings quarter, it's so much broader than it used to be.
So more products, more opportunities, not as much emphasis on did you win a Tier one, did you not win a Tier one, that type of thing. So when you look at the go to market strategy, I guess the question is how much do you have to sort of change the training, change the way you're going to market and the structure of the organization? And then when you look at the opportunities in terms of cross sell, how much is the dollar retention gain sort of improving and how much more can it improve from here?
Speaker 2
Yes, Tom. So on the go to market piece, it's we've really put a lot of time into in the first quarter in training and educating the sales org and the relationship management team and that's both the cloud, the Q2 Open and the platform side of the business. And to your point, if you think about it, we announced a Tier one win on the corporate side of the business with Corporate Banking. We had Q2 Open, which sold the CorPro product in conjunction with the Grow product and our digital banking platform to a $5,000,000,000 financial institution. We had Grow sign an $8,000,000,000 bank on a standalone basis.
And then we also referenced a Tier one bank that signed up with us in January to do a direct bank. And so that involves almost all the sales teams working together and coordinating on selling these products. It's still early, but you're starting to see a bank or credit union will come in and we'll do a presentation on the platform. We'll bring the grow team in to do a presentation and then the Cloud Lending team will come in and do a presentation. We talked about cross pollination in the call and how all those deals have kind of come together very well.
But I think the sales organization, the solutions consultants, the relationship managers are getting better faster than I probably anticipated learning about these products. I think it's because they're excited about the ability to sell more of these things and make more money. So haven't made many structural changes. If anything, we're getting a lot of leverage out of the sales organization. It's just making sure that we're sticking to our knitting on what our products can do and then also combining that with where we're going to take them.
Jennifer, do want to
Speaker 3
talk Yes. On the retention piece, Tom, I would say just keep in mind that the more products that these customers put in the ground using our platform, the stickier they become. So I think retention just increases from that perspective. But if you look last year, our trailing twelve month revenue retention was 114%. And given the strong momentum we're seeing within our existing customer base around the new things like Grow and Cloud Lending, I would expect that to trend up slightly.
I'd like to get a couple more quarters to see exactly what closes and if we can get them live before the end of this year or if that increase comes next year. But I certainly do believe it helps us increase that number.
Speaker 5
Outstanding. Okay. And then Jennifer, just a quick follow-up on the EBITDA and the investments relative to the timing. It seems like there was a decision in quarter here to say let's accelerate some investments, particularly on the sales and marketing side. Interesting to see that you guys beat the guidance handily on revenue.
EBITDA came in a little light. Can you just talk about were there any sort of onetime inputs? Or was this a decision in quarter reflective of the demand environment that you saw out there to kind of step up the spending even in quarter and really put your foot on the pedal for sales and marketing spend?
Speaker 3
A big chunk of mentioned in my prepared remarks, was actually the timing of payroll taxes. So we had approximately 1,000,000 of unexpected payroll taxes in Q1 and it was related to both the increase in our stock value and thus the amount of value that folks received upon Q1 RSU vest that we then had to have employer match taxes on, as well as a combination of with the high stock price that we had towards the end of Q1, we actually had an unusually high number of non qual option exercises, which also carry an employer match tax at the time of that exercise. And so we had about $1,000,000 of payroll taxes that we were not expecting in our original guide. Our original guide was 1,200,000.0 to $1,800,000 And so if you factor in the payroll taxes, it takes us just above the low end of our guide, still $300,000 or so below the consensus, but that is really related to the investment and the accelerated investment in sales and marketing and R and D that we talked about related to the Cloud Lending strong start to the year. And so, yes, I would expect and that's part of the reason the full year didn't change because the payroll taxes should be timing.
It just pulled it forward, but now people will hit their cap on Social Security withholdings earlier in the year. So you should see a turnaround in the back half of the year, primarily in late Q3 and early Q4.
Speaker 5
Excellent. That makes perfect sense. Okay. I'll jump back in queue. Thank you guys.
Great job.
Speaker 6
Thanks Tom.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Peterson from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 6
Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the quarter. So Matt, I'm curious on some of your newer products offering. It sounds like that was really strong this quarter. I'm curious how much of that was the cross polarization that you referenced? And what were the new logo trends versus your expectations on some of these newer products?
Speaker 2
Yes. I would say that the $1,000,000,000 bank that bought the cloud product was probably a little ahead of what I would have anticipated getting done. So I was encouraged by that. I look at the pipeline as we move forward for the cloud lending cross sell into North American banking and that pipeline continues to grow. The transitioning on the grow point, the grow business, obviously, were happy with them signing that large deal, but we're also starting to incorporate that into almost every new sale on the platform side as well as on the cross sell.
We mentioned the client conference. I'll give you I'll be able to give you a much better feel for how these products are shaken out within the platform team as we'll have about 1,000 customers or 1,000 members of our customers at the conference. And so I'll have a much better perspective on how they're feeling about the products and what they want. But even we've got a Q2 open customer that's looking at Cloud Lending now. Those are things that I didn't really anticipate.
And so the product mix and the new logos, whether it's the Tier 1s, we had a really solid signed some really solid credit unions and banks on the platform side. So from the Q2 Open side, signed one of the largest fintechs in the world. And then we signed in Asia, we signed one of the most interesting fintech deals we've done before. And in Europe, we had a couple of really nice wins with all five bank and on the leasing side. So really happy across the board with the performance of the team and the ramp up of the products and now we've just got to go deliver on.
Speaker 6
Thanks, Matt. And just thinking about the international diversification and the product diversification, does that change the seasonality of bookings overall? I know typically the second quarter and the fourth quarter have been the biggest. You referenced the record bookings activity in the first quarter. Just curious how that bookings mix and seasonality changes going forward?
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2
Yes. Thanks, Brian. I think that the seasonality piece is I think it should normalize the quarters a little bit more. We still don't have enough track record of owning the business to tell you what the quarters are going to look like in Asia, Australia, Europe. But I'm hoping it flattens it out.
I would just say that one of the things that just to put a caveat out there on the second quarter is I really think that the team outperformed in Q1 and brought some deals in from the second quarter. The other thing I'd say is that with the client conference coming up, typically that was usually in early April and for just logistical reasons, we moved it to mid May. And a lot of times, you have a bunch of and or prospects that hold up their decision making to go to the client conference. So I'm confident we'll be at plan at the halfway point of the year, but I do worry a little bit that some of the deals we pulled in early in the client conference could push some stuff to July outside of the quarter. I still feel great about the pipeline.
Just always want to put a caveat out there that with the client conference, it's always a good thing when we have those, but it could put a little noise into the second quarter, but it will get in the third if we don't get in the second. But I think we'll be on plan. I just always want to make sure that we are transparent about some of the things that are going on in the business.
Speaker 6
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Brian.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Peter Heckmann from Davidson. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 7
Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Hey, Jennifer, could you tell us what was the actual acquired revenue in the quarter And what level of acquired revenue are you incorporating into your full year guidance? I'm assuming something like 12,000,000 to $13,000,000 from the two acquisitions?
Speaker 3
Yes. So the revenue from the acquired businesses in Q1 was about $3,500,000 So that left the organic user growth or the organic growth of the underlying business at about 24% quarter over quarter or sorry, year over year. And go forward, you're right. I would expect we've said in the past that Cloud Lending will be in the low double digit millions. I think that's still accurate.
And I would guess that grow is going to be somewhere between 1% to 2% of total revenue.
Speaker 7
Got it. That's helpful. And then you talked about free cash flow going negative in the first quarter. Can you just update us on your thoughts for second quarter and full year?
Speaker 3
Yes. I think with the timing of the investments and the accelerated investment that we've talked about, I think free cash flow and also the timing of CapEx adds, I think free cash flow in Q2 is likely to be negative as well. And then whether we're breakeven slightly positive or slightly negative at the end of the year really depends on the timing of when we sign the deals in Q4 because the cash flow is highly dependent on the collection of the upfront deposits upon contract signing. So to the extent contracts are signed late in Q4 and we don't have time before the end of the year to collect those deposits, those could shift into Q1. To the extent that we get those deals signed earlier, then we have the ability to collect those before the end of the year and have a positive impact.
At this point, I think we're trending towards breakeven or slightly positive for the full year. But if we can pull the timing of deals in, we could possibly be positive.
Speaker 4
All right. That's helpful. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Matt Hedberg from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 8
Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. And first of all, on all the cross selling. It's got to be really exciting for you guys. I guess when you think about realizing each of your solutions and you're really broadening portfolio have different times to deploy.
As you guys continue to have success with Tier one wins and cross selling, as you alluded to on this call, Can you talk about what you guys can do to I guess more broadly increase the time to deployment here? I guess I'm sort of wondering on obviously the digital banking side takes a little bit longer, but just sort of curious on any improvements there?
Speaker 2
Yes. Think as we talked about at our Investor Day, Reika came on and talked about how she's trying to drive efficiency through automation of the delivery of the products. Now all these products have different times of delivery and different things that are happening in different importance. We did reference the $20,000,000,000 bank in the Northeast on cloud that signed in the fourth quarter and is now live on the product today, which is pretty fast for them. They literally sent us a note the other day that from funding from application to funding, their first loan was around ten minutes.
So that's pretty fast in the market. But I think what you will see is in general people when they sign up for digital banking conversion are looking at six, twelve months depending on the size of the entity and they structure their organizational readiness around that timeframe. What we're trying to do is to allow a team that may be able to carry three go lives at a time to be able to handle four or five. Speeding it up a lot of times is not what the customer wants because they have other things they're working on or obligations. And so on the platform side of the business, I think you're really seeing a lot of the stuff Reika talked about at the Investor Day beginning to pay off.
It takes some time to get that our team trained up and to get as part of the process. But I think you'll begin to see scale in the amount of go lives that our teams can handle. On the cloud side, there are systems integrators involved. There's we have direct delivery of it as well. And that's those are all a little bit different depending on what asset class they're going after, how they're planning on rolling out.
But one of things I like about cloud is the flexibility to do something really quick if you want to do it or to do a broader project and we still are delivering those I think ahead of what we're seeing from other vendors in the market. On the Q2 Open side, I think a lot of the reason that people are buying this is they can get in that sandbox in two weeks and start writing against it and on the Corrpro side. And the developers and the technology people at these financial institutions and FinTechs that's what they're looking for. And so we're going to continue to try to drive that experience as much as possible where people can begin developing against the software as quickly as possible so they can deliver it. I would also reference in direct bank that we talked about the existing customer that purchased it to go from a January signing to a third quarter go live delivering the software is only one piece of this.
There's a brand that's coming out. There's marketing around it. There's a lot of work that goes into that. So I think that's going be a highly differentiated story in the marketplace as we see this direct bank model become a bigger and bigger part of the opportunity for these customers of ours.
Speaker 8
That's great. And then obviously the Cloud Lending deals in EMEA and APAC, again that's super exciting for you guys. I think you mentioned the ability to play on top CRM in that case. Broadly speaking, can you kind of help us with how you think about targeting broader success internationally, I guess, first with Cloud Lending and then maybe even Grow or some other pure digital solutions?
Speaker 2
Yes. Right now we are in focused areas, right? So really focusing on The U. K. And The Netherlands just because we have some pretty large customers there in that area.
Right now I want to make sure we continue to win in North America. So I'm not ready to distract the organization to take the platform over there. But grow in Q2 Open, we have had interest from challenger banks and grow from an onboarding perspective could be in the places whether it's Australia, Asia or Europe where we could begin to cross sell some of those products. But we want to be very intentional and focused in how we go after those markets. But we believe that delivering on what we're selling in Europe and then in Australia, we'll end up building strong relationships with these customers and our ability to do expansion selling within the existing ones of other cloud products, whether that's other asset classes or cross selling some of our other products or opportunities for us down the road.
Speaker 8
Thanks a lot, Matt. Congrats guys.
Speaker 2
Thanks. Have a good day.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Bob Napoli from William Blair. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 9
Thank you and good morning. Question around the three newer products if you would Cloud Lending, Q2 Open, Grow, which of those Matt do you expect to provide the most material effect on revenue growth over the next few years? And Jennifer, do they potentially put upside pressure on your long term target gross margin of 65%?
Speaker 2
Yes, Bob. Thank you and welcome to the call.
Speaker 9
Thank you.
Speaker 2
I would say cloud and open are they're different, but they're very similar from a sizing perspective. And I think they will probably it depends on how it plays out, but I think they will probably be equal very close contributors from a revenue perspective. The growth side of the business I don't think it can be as large as those companies, but I think it's a critical part of digital onboarding is whether it's the direct banks I'm talking about or a borrowing customer, digital onboarding is a big part of it. So I think it's an important part, but not going to be the same contributor from a revenue perspective that cloud and open are going to be.
Speaker 3
And on the gross margin, you're exactly right. Those should provide some positive upside to our long term gross margin targets. Obviously, they're a much smaller piece of the business right now. So it's going to take a while for them to make that contribution. But all three of those products are deployed in the cloud, whether it be on force.com or in AWS or Azure.
But they are all deployed in cloud, they don't have the related data center and infrastructure costs underlying them like the Q2 platform does. So I do believe that they are higher margin products that as they become more material to the overall revenue line can help drive that gross margin up above the 60%.
Speaker 9
Thank you. And a follow-up question on the just on a competitive environment. And the Q2 has done a great job leading a digital transformation in this market. Do you have some big competitors that have a lot of capital that maybe have some older technology but are investing in digital? We see a lot of digital announcements coming out.
And do you feel like some of the legacy competitors are becoming more of a threat to the high growth that you've generated over the last several years?
Speaker 2
I would say that the competitive environment hasn't changed much. I think that in general, we feel like we've got a pretty good lead on the large guys from a product perspective, the breadth of the products, our ability to integrate to no matter who the back end processor is. But they're investing in these technologies just like we are. We do think that having a mission driven culture and focus exclusively on the digital transformation provides a focus difference that they have. And with $160 plus million on the balance sheet, 18% in R and D and the success we've had with our products, feel pretty good about our competitive position as we move into the next two to three years.
Speaker 9
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Bob. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Lemus from SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 10
Good morning, guys, and thanks for taking the question. It was really nice to hear the commentary around the recent acquisitions stronger than expected. So I wanted to focus on Gro Solutions, and you said you signed the biggest deal with Gro in the quarter. Can you give a little more context around that deal relative size to other deals that Grow has done? Was this deal in the pipeline prior to the acquisition?
And I guess what was that bank using before? What were they doing before?
Speaker 2
So from a relative size, I don't have that information on what the economics would be from what the next biggest deal was from a size perspective. These are typically like a Tier three bank opportunity. So they're from a MRR or monthly recurring revenue perspective, they're sub-thirty thousand dollars in MRR. But keep in mind the value of digital onboarding to us or the customer and us is that you're adding a new user on the system. And so just take ARPU and multiply that times every single new customer that onboards and becomes an account holder.
So the value of Grow is not just the subscription fee that we get out of them. And I think you're going to continue to see, as I've said earlier, grow to be a critical part of a lot of the sales that we have going forward, whether it's for open, whether it's for cloud, whether it's for the platform. So really happy with that business and we're going to continue to invest in it and make sure that we distance ourselves from the people that are chasing it.
Speaker 10
Got it. Thanks. That's all for me.
Speaker 2
Thanks Eric.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi from Loop Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 11
Hey, guys. Good morning. Good results. I was wondering at this point, maybe it's a little early, how much appetite you're seeing for your new solutions in the Tier two and Tier three bank base? Or is it really just still more in the Tier 1s that are looking at these more leading edge solutions?
Speaker 2
Yes. Thanks, Jesper. No, I think the Tier two and the Tier three is we talked about the 1,000,000,000 bank, the Q2 Open deal, was it was a $5,000,000,000 bank, but we actually had a couple of others in the quarter that were Tier 2s and Tier 3s. The Tier two and the Tier three is as engaged, it's as big of a part of the pipeline as the Tier 1s are and they make decisions faster. So I don't think this is just targeted at Tier 1s.
I think the Tier 2s and Tier 3s are going to be as I said in the call, the bread and butter, not only the net news side, but a lot of these cross sales.
Speaker 11
Okay. And then just a question on kind of ACV on some of the newer deals. I mean, it's kind of implied obviously if you win an online banking customer, it's going to ultimately be kind of offered to that bank's entire customer base. But these solutions are a little different in how they work and what the functionality is. Just trying to get a feel for pricing here and how you think about that versus kind of perhaps a more broad online banking solution sale?
Thanks.
Speaker 3
So I think in the CLS instance in particular because they are multi asset class, I think we're still trying to work with them to make sure that we understand the best pricing model go forward. But you're going to see similar like you see on the platform side, you're going to see a base monthly fee per seat basically for the platform and that first asset class that they roll out. And then I think you'll see add on module fees if they want to go from say doing small business lending to corporate lending and roll out a different type of asset class. And I think that Cloud Lending, I would say is comparable to a corporate upsell deal for the platform from a size perspective. And then Grow is, as Matt mentioned, closer to it's really just a product add on that is not really a per user, but it brings with it the per user fees for all of those account holders that they onboard using that solution.
So it should help lift the overall online banking fees as well, But it is similar to a small Tier three deal in size.
Speaker 11
Great. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Joseph.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Brett Huff from Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Good morning and congratulations on a nice quarter.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Brett. Two
Speaker 4
questions for me. Number one, last quarter you talked a little bit about the positive impact to the gross margin and the revenue growth from some of the debit card driven open products. And I wondered if there was any detail you could provide us there. We think that's one of the really extensible and exciting opportunities. So any detail there is question number one.
Speaker 3
I think a lot of the commentary last quarter was really caution you about some of those wins and it really is dependent upon the adoption of the account holders and then their adoption of debit cards and then the actual use of those debit cards to drive that interchange fee. As they do that and as that grows, yes, it's very high margin. There's relatively no cost associated with it. But we're still very early in that game and those fintechs are still in the early stages of those rollouts and getting adoption of that. So we've yet to see a material number come from those interchange fees.
But I do expect that's an area of growth go forward as more users adopt and begin using those debit cards.
Speaker 4
Yes, that's helpful. And the second question, talk a little bit more about the sale and the adoption, I guess the implementation of the Cloud Lending platform. Typically LOSs are sort of along an arduous path to get put into a bank. And I understand that sitting on top of Salesforce really helps. Are you surprised at how quickly these implementations can happen even relative to your expectations going in?
Or did you kind of know things were as quick as they were given that choice to deploy on top of other technology? Any thoughts around that would be helpful. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Yes. Thanks, Brett. I would say that surprise probably isn't the right word. Like I said earlier, it depends on what the financial institution or the Altify is trying to do. But it really is working on force.com allows you to move a lot faster and deliver things.
And it's also a matter of are you in lockstep at the beginning of the project of what they're trying to accomplish, the processes they're trying to improve. So I wouldn't say I was surprised by it. I am it is you don't it's not the same thing as the platform where you've got to move all these customers and one day you flip the switch on, they all have to go reset their password up. And so it's a different experience. But I think what we're going to try to do is continue to drive efficiencies through that process, delivering this customers want more technology faster so that they can begin to drive lending drive more lending through channel.
And so the example I gave earlier, that $20,000,000,000 bank to sign a contract in the fourth quarter and be live and having a from application to funding in ten minutes is pretty darn impressive. I think that story will sell a lot more deals for us. Great. Thank you. Thanks.
Appreciate it, Brett.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Essex from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 10
Hi, good morning and thank you for taking the question. I guess for Matt, I think you alluded particularly with respect that there's some writing to cloud infrastructure involved, there's some involvement with system integrators and there might have been a little bit or there may be a little bit of kind of bottleneck with the scale of the team and the rate at which you can go live. Any kind of longer term high level thoughts in terms of the rate of involvement with integrators, consultants and partners and your ability to scale kind of faster into the market versus what you might rely on for your integration teams and how we might expect the longer term margins to benefit or be limited by that?
Speaker 2
Yes. Mean, I think just on the delivery side, the Jennifer can talk about the margin expansion, how she sees that. But on the delivery side, in the lending business, you're going to we're partnering with more integrators. You see we've got a lot of inbound interest from people that want to deliver this. They see the value that cloud brings, but also delivering it, having our own team that has the skill set and the knowledge on how to deliver, we think makes us a better company.
And some of these deals are going to be tied to platform deals. So we want to be able to control both of it where we can deliver it on our own, but we also have a nice network of systems integrators. And we're having a lot of conversations. They had relationships prior to us acquiring them. But I think now when you start to look at the digital banking experience and the transformation that's happening, a lot of the systems integrators now with our size and scale are beginning to come to us and look at us probably differently than they did at cloud as a standalone company.
Jeff, you want to comment on the margin stuff?
Speaker 3
Yes. So I would say that that was one of the things when we acquired Cloud Lending, we were already they were already using systems integrators and so they had already established standalone value for the services. Therefore, their services were being recognized upfront as delivered versus spread over the contract term like the Q2 platform. So I don't think that you're going to see a significant change to margins. Think you already see that impact in their business.
Speaker 5
Got it. That's helpful. And maybe just a
Speaker 10
quick follow-up. I think Jennifer you noted that there are a couple of surprises on the expense side. I guess with the potential to have maybe a deal or two pulled forward in the 1Q and then maybe make it up on the back of your user conference, as we head into the second half of the year, is there a greater degree of visibility you think in the level of expenses you might anticipate? Or would we still have maybe some moving parts that would wiggle profitability a little bit?
Speaker 3
I think I mean there's always moving parts, but I think we've got much greater visibility. I think Q1, we had some visibility issues because we were in the middle of trying to finalize the annual plan as well as integrate two new companies. But the back office systems of those companies are now integrated. We've got great consolidated view. And other than just unexpected exercises or unexpected increase in stock price that drives the value higher on RSU vests and employer match taxes like I've already mentioned, I think we have control over those expenses.
Speaker 10
Got it. That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Brian. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of David Hynes from Canaccord. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 12
Hey, thanks very much. Congrats on the bookings activity. Matt, one for you to start. If we continue to see a rise in the digital only channel, is there any difference in your ability to monetize those users or margin profile of those users versus those that come from the traditional regional bank channel?
Speaker 2
No, I don't think there's any difference in those. They'd be the same.
Speaker 12
Okay. Got it. And then Jennifer, on the backlog, I think it's 19% year over year growth. How does the backlog duration change with the new products coming into the mix? I guess what would that growth look like if we thought about it on an ARR basis?
Speaker 3
So the timing of the rollout is about 48%, if I remember the exact numbers correctly in the next twenty four months. I think historically before we added CLS and grow that was closer to 50 or maybe right over 50. It's come down a little bit because the average contract term for the Cloud Lending and Gro solutions that go in range from twelve to thirty six months versus the sixty six months for the product or for the platform. But it's still been relatively consistent at between,
Speaker 7
I'll call
Speaker 3
it a range of 45% to 53% in the next twenty four months with another roughly 40% in the next twenty four months after that and then the remainder out past forty eight months. So I don't think the timing has shifted significantly at this point. But to the extent CLS or Gro begin to outperform the platform product in bookings, you could see it come down just because of the term of their contracts.
Speaker 12
Yes. Okay. That's what I figured. All right. Perfect.
Thanks guys.
Speaker 11
Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Our final question is from Maynik Tandon from Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 6
Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. Matt, quick question on the BaaS opportunity. Thanks for the update on the deal momentum.
But can you just talk about what distinguishes you from the multiple players out there who are also offering the BaaS opportunity for their FinTech clients? And at the same time, I would just be curious if you're not having a bank license charter, which you had a disadvantage versus some of the providers that actually do have a bank license out in the market?
Speaker 2
Yes, Ma'am, thanks for your patience on the call. So in general, the reason we're winning out there is the designers and developers want to spin up products quickly. And in order to do that, they need a well documented and understood API, which is what we have. It allows them to iterate quickly on the platform. And most of the legacy technology wasn't built to even think about that.
So the competitors that we're competing against typically don't have the ability to move as quickly. This stuff is not in the cloud. It's very expensive. And from a competitive perspective, not having a bank charter, we have 400 banks with 400 customers with bank charters. And we believe that our ability to use our liquidity management, which is to be able to park these deposits from FinTechs in banks and keep them below the Durbin number of $10,000,000,000 leaves more pie for them to split up.
If you think about the interchange rates at a sub $10,000,000,000 bank, we can go to a FinTech and tell them that there's 1.4% of interchange fee as opposed to 0.4%. So the competitors that have charters as they get above $10,000,000,000 there's going be less money to split up and it can be more difficult. Also this ecosystem that we're creating, we believe is highly differentiated, and that you can we can leverage up as much as we want by adding more and more customers to the platform. It also sells more software, whether it's Q2 Open, cloud. So we think it's highly differentiated and nobody's going around telling this story right now.
And I think that's why you're seeing the premier fintechs signing with us to do this. And also the line is forming for banks to participate in the brokered deposits program.
Speaker 6
That makes sense. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2
Thanks. I appreciate it, Monk. Have a good day.
Speaker 0
And this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect. Have a great day.