SEE Q2 2025: Wide $100M EBITDA guidance highlights volume, trade risks
- Strong cost discipline and margin expansion initiatives: The management reiterated its commitment to achieve roughly $90 million in cost savings through various initiatives—including network and G&A optimizations—which are expected to help offset volume softness and enhance earnings.
- Resilient segment performance and proactive market engagement: Despite challenging market conditions, the company is maintaining stable order entry, particularly in Protective and industrial segments (e.g., Instapack and APS), supported by renewed field engagement and efforts to recover lost customers.
- Strategic leveraging of external partnerships: By utilizing external partners to accelerate product development and reduce capital intensity (as shown in their efforts to speed time-to-market and optimize manufacturing technology), the company is well positioned to boost long‑term growth and innovation.
Metric | Period | Previous Guidance | Current Guidance | Change |
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Net Sales | Q3 2025 | $1.3 billion | $1.3 | no change |
Adjusted EBITDA | Q3 2025 | $270 million | $270 | no change |
Adjusted EPS | Q3 2025 | $0.71 | $0.68 | lowered |
Net Sales | FY 2025 | Reaffirmed full-year outlook range (specific figures not detailed) | $5.1 to $5.5 | no prior guidance |
Adjusted EBITDA | FY 2025 | Reaffirmed full-year outlook range (specific figures not detailed) | $1.075 to $1.175 | no prior guidance |
Adjusted EPS | FY 2025 | Reaffirmed full-year outlook range (specific figures not detailed) | Slightly above midpoint of $2.90 to $3.30 | no prior guidance |
Adjusted Tax Rate | FY 2025 | no prior guidance [N/A] | 26% to 27% | no prior guidance |
Free Cash Flow | FY 2025 | Reaffirmed full-year outlook range (specific figures not detailed) | $400 (midpoint) | no prior guidance |
Capital Expenditures | FY 2025 | no prior guidance [N/A] | Lower than original expectations | no prior guidance |
Topic | Previous Mentions | Current Period | Trend |
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Cost Discipline and Margin Expansion Initiatives | Emphasized across Q1 2025 ( ), Q4 2024 ( ), and Q3 2024 ( ) with a focus on productivity, cost takeout programs, and network optimization. | Q2 2025 reinforced cost discipline with specific mentions of cost takeout, productivity efficiencies, and even a one‐time lease buyout benefit ( ). | Consistent focus. The theme remains central with steady reinforcement of cost takeout and efficiency measures, indicating a positive, stable outlook. |
Protective Segment Performance and Turnaround Challenges | Addressed in Q1 2025 ( ), Q4 2024 ( ), and Q3 2024 ( ) with discussion on volume declines, customer churn, and transformation challenges in the Protective vertical. | Q2 2025 highlighted minor volume declines (2%), sequential sales and EBITDA improvements, and ongoing transformation efforts including a refreshed go‑to‑market strategy ( ). | Ongoing challenges with signs of stabilization. While difficulties persist, recent results indicate incremental improvement and cautious optimism in the turnaround progress. |
Food Segment Volume Trends and Pricing Power | Q1 2025 ( ) noted modest volume growth; Q4 2024 ( ) reported mid‑single‑digit gains with robust formula pricing; Q3 2024 ( ) showed 2.4% volume growth driven by protein demand and competitive wins. | In Q2 2025, volumes slipped by 2% due to softness in industrial food processing and a sharper decline in the beef market, though pricing actions helped offset some pressure ( ). | Slight deterioration. A shift from modest or strong volume gains to a mild decline, with pricing remaining a key stabilizer despite headwinds in key markets like beef. |
Trade, Tariff, and Supply Chain Uncertainties | Q1 2025 ( ) and Q4 2024 ( ) discussed tariff risks and adapting the supply chain; Q3 2024 had no specific details. | Q2 2025 emphasized that domestic production minimizes tariff impact, and supply chain optimization keeps net tariff effects minimal, although specialty resins still warrant attention ( ). | Continued but managed. The topic remains relevant, yet current sentiment shows that domestic focus and proactive supply chain adjustments have helped minimize impact. |
Competitive Pricing Pressures and Deflationary Environment | In Q1 2025 ( ) and Q4 2024 ( ) competitive pricing pressures were noted in Protective, while Q3 2024 ( ) referenced pricing challenges and a negative net price realization on certain products. | Q2 2025 highlighted a deflationary resin environment that drove negative net price realization in the Protective segment, with expectations that these pressures will persist into the second half ( ). | Persistent pressure. The deflationary environment remains an ongoing challenge, with similar competitive dynamics continuing to influence pricing strategies adversely. |
External Partnerships, Product Innovation, and Ramp‑Up Execution | Earlier discussions in Q4 2024 ( ) and Q3 2024 ( ) focused on leveraging innovation in fiber‑based offerings and ramping up mailer solutions; Q1 2025 contained little on this theme. | In Q2 2025, there is renewed emphasis on using external partners to accelerate product innovation (e.g. mailer strategy, hybrid auto vac solutions) and faster execution ( ). | Growing emphasis. This area, less featured in Q1 2025, now reflects a proactive strategy to boost innovation and speed to market, enhancing competitive positioning. |
Organizational Verticalization and Transformation Execution Risks | Q1 2025 ( ), Q4 2024 ( ), and Q3 2024 ( ) discussed reorganization into Food and Protective segments and transformation challenges with associated execution risks. | Q2 2025 did not explicitly revisit this topic, suggesting a diminished emphasis this period as focus shifts towards operational performance. | Reduced focus. Although previously a key transformation driver, the current period shows less explicit discussion, implying that the reorganization might be largely settled for now. |
FX, Macro Economic, and Raw Material Headwinds | Q1 2025 ( ) noted improved FX relative to a weakening dollar, while Q4 2024 ( ) discussed significant FX and macro headwinds with detailed impact on EBITDA and raw material pricing; Q3 2024 had minimal mention. | In Q2 2025, FX benefits from a weaker dollar are observed ( ), though raw material deflation and continuing macro uncertainties (e.g. slowing beef production) remain influential ( ). | Mixed signals. FX conditions have improved, offering some relief, yet macroeconomic uncertainties and raw material challenges persist, keeping overall sentiment cautious. |
Customer Churn and Volume Recovery Concerns | Addressed in Q1 2025 ( ), Q4 2024 ( ) and to some degree in Q3 2024 ( ) with significant churn issues in Protective, particularly impacted by losses such as Amazon, and associated volume declines. | In Q2 2025, protective volumes fell only 2% (a marked improvement), with indications of churn stabilization and early signs of volume recovery driven by renewed customer engagement ( ). | Improving. There is noticeable progress with reduced churn and smaller volume declines compared to earlier periods, suggesting a positive turnaround in customer retention and recovery efforts. |
Domestic Production Focus and USMCA Exemptions | Discussed in Q1 2025 ( ) and Q4 2024 ( ) emphasizing that domestic production and USMCA exemptions mitigate tariff risks; no discussion in Q3 2024. | Q2 2025 reaffirmed the domestic production approach and highlighted that most products remain USMCA‑exempt, keeping tariff exposure minimal, though specialty resin sourcing is noted ( ). | Steady focus. The strategy remains consistent across periods, underlining its importance even as it receives relatively less emphasis compared to more dynamic topics like customer churn or pricing pressures. |
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EBITDA Guidance
Q: Why is EBITDA range so wide?
A: Management explained that the $100M range in adjusted EBITDA guidance reflects a conservative stance amid volatile market conditions rather than a worry over earnings outcomes, noting that low visibility and price pressures are prompting prudence. -
Cost Savings Bridge
Q: Can you detail the cost savings bridge?
A: They described a bridge where volume declines, a $65M net price decline, and roughly $90M in cost takeout combine—after FX impacts—to yield a modest $14M year‐over‐year bottom‐line change. -
CTO Savings Breakdown
Q: What are the buckets driving CTO savings?
A: Management outlined three primary buckets: restructuring the go‐to-market approach, optimizing the supply chain (including network consolidation), and streamlining G&A, with a roughly 65/35 split in productivity contributions driving about $90M in savings annually. -
External Partnerships
Q: How do external partnerships lower capital intensity?
A: By leveraging external partners for R&D and manufacturing technology, the company has reduced its capital expenditure from $280M in 2023 to $200M this year, achieving faster time to market and improved returns. -
Margin Outlook
Q: Will red meat margins be maintained despite headwinds?
A: Despite a 3–4% decline in food volumes driven by red meat challenges, disciplined cost takeout and efficiency initiatives are expected to keep overall margins intact. -
Non-Red Meat Assumptions
Q: What’s the outlook for non-red meat segments?
A: Management noted that non-red meat areas are down a couple of points due to shifts into retail and processed foods, though these segments are expected to stabilize as market conditions normalize. -
Raw Material Pricing
Q: Can the negative pricing gap in Protective be reversed?
A: They indicated that deflationary pressures on specialty resins have kept the price gap negative; however, if the market shifts to a more inflationary environment, this gap should narrow and potentially turn positive by 2026. -
Guidance Stabilization
Q: How are controllable costs supporting steady guidance?
A: Through ongoing cost takeout initiatives across reorganized P&Ls, field engagement, and network optimization, management is offsetting soft volume trends to maintain steady guidance for the remainder of the year. -
Volume Impact
Q: What is the impact of beef headwinds on volumes?
A: The beef cycle headwinds translate to an expected 3–4% decline in food volumes, with protective business volumes down modestly but partly offset by gains in industrial segments and customer wins. -
Cattle Cycle & Fluids
Q: How are the cattle cycle and fluids businesses performing?
A: Management described a strong cattle cycle in Latin America and Australia, with U.S. volumes softer, and noted that the fluids business—supported by Cryovac and Liquibox—is stabilizing and poised for modest growth. -
Industrial Automation
Q: Is automation contributing to industrial strength?
A: They stressed that their automation business is evolving into a comprehensive solution offering that enhances production throughput and margins in both food and protective sectors, reinforcing overall industrial performance.
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