Skillsoft - Earnings Call - Q1 2026

Executive Summary

• Q1 FY2026 printed revenue of $124.201M (-3% YoY), adjusted EBITDA of $22.131M (17.8% margin), and free cash flow of $26.164M, while GAAP diluted EPS was $(4.57); management reaffirmed full-year FY2026 guidance for revenue ($530M–$545M) and adjusted EBITDA ($112M–$118M).
• TDS posted its third consecutive quarter of growth, up 1% YoY to $99.148M, while GK declined 16% YoY to $25.053M due to softer discretionary spend and a higher reseller mix; segment contribution margins remained strong (TDS 69.1%, GK 34.3%).
• Free cash flow strength was driven by collections timing and seasonal working capital patterns; management expects Q2 to be the lowest FCF quarter (cash usage) before achieving FY2026 FCF of $13M–$18M, reiterating positive FCF for the year.
• Stock reaction catalysts: reaffirmed guidance despite macro/US public sector headwinds, multi-quarter TDS growth, and stronger-than-expected FCF, with back-half weighted growth expected.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• TDS growth and durable unit economics: TDS revenue rose 1% YoY to $99.148M, marking a third straight quarter of growth, with a 69.1% contribution margin; “multi-quarter growth we are seeing in TDS…reinforces our confidence in our ability to achieve top line growth this year”.
• Margin expansion and disciplined cost execution: Adjusted EBITDA increased to $22.131M (17.8% margin) vs. $18.898M (14.8%) YoY, reflecting lower variable costs and cost reductions; management highlighted “continued improvement in profitability” and AI-driven productivity gains.
• Free cash flow outperformance: FCF of $26.164M vs. $10.420M YoY, aided by collections/disbursement timing; “we are reaffirming our fiscal 2026 outlook” and remain “on track” to meet full-year FCF expectations.

What Went Wrong

• GK revenue pressure: GK fell 16% YoY to $25.053M, driven by softer US public sector discretionary spend and mix shift to reseller activity recognized net of fees.
• GAAP loss widened: Net loss increased to $(38.049)M vs. $(27.636)M YoY; diluted GAAP EPS $(4.57) vs. $(3.42) YoY, reflecting macro headwinds and non-cash amortization.
• Sequential DRR moderation: TDS LTM dollar retention rate was 99% vs. 100% last quarter (and 99% a year ago), reflecting cautious customer spending and elongated decision-making.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Greetings. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to Skillsoft's first quarter, fiscal 2026 results and conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers present, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note that today's call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Stephen Poe, and head of investor relations. Thank you, Stephen. You may begin.

Stephen Poe (Investor Relations)

Thank you, Operator. Good day, and thank you for joining us to discuss our results for the first quarter ended April 30, 2025. Before we jump in, I want to remind you that today's call will contain forward-looking statements about the company's business outlook and our expectations, including statements concerning financial and business trends, our expected future business and financial performance, financial condition, and market outlook. These forward-looking statements and all statements that are not historical facts reflect management's current beliefs and expectations as of today and therefore are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. For discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, we refer you to our most recent Form 10-K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information which speak as of the respective dates. During the call, unless otherwise noted, all financial metrics we discuss will be non-GAAP financial measures, which are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures included in today's commentary to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, as well as how we define these metrics, is included in our earnings press release, which has been furnished to the SEC and is also available on our website at www.skillsoft.com. Following today's prepared remarks, Ron Hovsepian, Skillsoft's Executive Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and John Frederick, Skillsoft's Chief Financial Officer, will be available for Q&A. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Ron.

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

Thanks, Stephen. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. I'm very pleased to start today's call with the introduction of John Frederick as our new CFO. Since rejoining Skillsoft in August of last year, he has overseen the company's business planning, working closely with the leadership team to refine and help drive the implementation of our transformation plan. From 2018 through 2021, he served as Skillsoft's Chief Administrative Officer, which included leading the finance team, and previously, he held executive positions at SumTotal Systems, a Skillsoft business acquired by Cornerstone in 2022, and others. John's deeply familiar with Skillsoft. His experience leading finance organizations and a growth-oriented mindset make him a natural choice to serve as our next CFO.

I look forward to continuing to work closely with John as we build on our recent progress, drive success for our customers and learners, and unlock further shareholder value as we execute our strategic plan. I'd like to also extend a sincere thank you to Rich Walker for his significant contributions and dedication to Skillsoft over the past four years. Rich has been a key member of the Skillsoft management team, and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors. In addition to welcoming John as our CFO, we expanded our leadership team with the addition of our new Chief Marketing Officer, Raeann Reese. Raeann is responsible for overseeing our global marketing efforts, helping drive demand and enhance brand awareness among organizations and learners who are on their talent transformation journey.

She has extensive experience in the technology sector, and her passion for powerful storytelling and driving transformation will help accelerate our go-to-market strategy, which is a key focus for Skillsoft going forward. Collectively, these leadership additions bring renewed focus and execution strength. With that, let me jump into our first quarter, which, as a reminder, is our seasonally smallest revenue quarter of the year. As expected, we experienced macro uncertainty, which translated into lower discretionary spending by our customers and slightly elongated decision-making. This directly impacted our live learning revenue in the quarter, which includes our Global Knowledge instructor-led training and TDS coaching products. Yet, we saw a continuation of growth with our TDS segment, a trend we've seen since the third quarter of last fiscal year. Additionally, we delivered improvement in our Adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow.

While we continue to drive improved financial results, we're also delivering strong progress against our transformation commitments. Let me provide you an update on our progress in a few key areas. We are actively investing capital into our business. With reinvestment happening predominantly in the first half of this fiscal year, we expect to see positive free cash flow and top-line growth for the full fiscal year, both of which we committed to at our July 2024 Investor Day. We expect most of this growth to come in the back half of this year. We continue to execute our go-to-market strategy. In Global Knowledge for the first quarter, we saw a decline in U.S. public sector discretionary live learning spending. However, we saw an increase in large-scale non-U.S. public sector deals where we are investing in international growth.

Common themes were upskilling in AI, cloud computing, software development, cybersecurity, and data analytics. We saw an example of a large European bank that is working with Skillsoft to introduce a blended program that leverages Skillsoft's full capabilities of digital learning, live learning, hands-on learning, and skill measurement. This demonstrates our differentiated value proposition to our customers through our multimodal interactive learning experience offerings. Within our TDS segment, we have had three consecutive quarters of revenue growth. We believe our value proposition is resonating especially with customers that are transitioning to being a skills-based organization. One example of this is a leading financial services company that is undergoing a significant strategic evolution aimed at enhancing agility and future readiness.

As part of this initiative, they have partnered with Skillsoft to deliver a comprehensive skills development program leveraging Skillsoft's content, platform, and services to identify and bridge skill gaps across the organization. This effort is key to their vision for a dynamic talent ecosystem, one that prioritizes continuous learning, empowers employees, and strengthens the company's competitive edge in a rapidly changing business landscape. As it relates to our product strategy, we continue to expand our product offerings in the first quarter. Let me highlight a few key examples of how we are delivering comprehensive interactive learning experiences on a global scale for both organizations and learners. First, Skillsoft's Percipio robust AI capabilities continue to build differentiation and strong learner engagement. Skillsoft's Casey, our award-winning AI-powered coach, is now available for learners in over 40 languages.

Our AI assistant is also now localized and available in all languages that our platform supports. Second, Skillsoft's Percipio certification dashboard was released. Clients can now see how many learners are pursuing certifications, how much time it is taking, and the progress each learner is making. Third, in addition to offering a world-class one-on-one coaching experience, our platform allows clients' coaching programs to administer and operate with both internal and external coaches. This Skillsoft coaching platform offering an open approach to learning allows organizations to scale their internal coaching programs through coach selection, scheduling, and dashboards that measure success. Lastly, Skillsoft's Codecademy was a launch partner for UConnect's class module product, which helps students fill skill gaps and gain industry-specific knowledge. UConnect provides career center services for over 400 universities.

Codecademy is also evolving to better meet the needs of upskillers with an end-to-end certification hub and granular skill tracking. Collectively, these transformation actions are driving improved financial results and delivering better outcomes for our clients and learners. During this past quarter, we hosted several customer events across the globe with multiple key accounts and prospects. These conversations provided me with further confidence in our business strategy and validate the key actions we are taking. Looking forward to the balance of our fiscal 2026, we are closely monitoring the macroeconomic environment as certain verticals are experiencing heightened customer caution. While we are seeing some elongation in decision-making and softening in discretionary spend, we are continuing to strategically focus our resources in key growth areas. As John will touch on shortly, we are reiterating our outlook for the full fiscal year.

I am confident we will return the company to top-line growth and deliver continued margin expansion this year while generating positive free cash flow. With that, now let me hand the call over to John to cover our financial results in more detail. John?

John Frederick (CFO)

Thank you, Ron, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to join today's call as Skillsoft's new Chief Financial Officer. I'm excited to continue working alongside such a talented and dedicated team and look forward to further accelerating our growth transformation. While we're still progressing through our multi-quarter transformation journey, I'm pleased that we once again delivered improved profitability and positive free cash flow. Let me turn to a detailed review of our financial results, starting with revenue. Revenue for Talent Development Solutions, TDS, was $99.1 million in the first quarter, up 1% year over year. Our TDS performance continues to benefit from our efforts to capitalize on the evolving market shift from traditional learning and skills development toward more comprehensive talent development solutions. Global Knowledge's revenue of $25.1 million in the quarter was down approximately $4.7 million, or 15.7% year over year.

As Ron commented earlier, we saw softer demand within the public sector, which impacted GK in the quarter. We also had a higher mix of reseller business for GK in this quarter, which is recognized net of fees. More importantly, GK remains on track with its transformation journey, and we're excited by our pipeline of opportunities, especially large global public sector deals. Provided the market stabilizes, we expect continued improvement, which should support our goal of returning the total company to growth. Total revenue of $124.2 million in the first quarter was down approximately $3.6 million, or 2.8% year over year. Our TDS LTM dollar retention rate, or DRR, for the first quarter was 99%. This compares to 100% last quarter and 99% one year ago.

Now, I'll walk through our expenses, which saw a reduction across the board as a result of our cost reduction initiatives that we executed in the back half of last year. Cost of revenue of $32 million for the first quarter, or 26% of revenue, was down approximately 6.5% year over year. These decreases were driven primarily by lower variable costs and the impacts of our cost reduction efforts. Content and software development expenses of $12.9 million in the quarter, or 10% of revenue, were down approximately 8.4% year over year. These improvements were driven by the continued productivity gains we're seeing from our investment to leverage AI. Selling and marketing expenses of $38.4 million in the quarter, or 31% of revenue, were down approximately 5.5% year over year. General and administrative expenses were $18.8 million in the first quarter, or 15% of revenue, down approximately 6% year over year.

Total operating expenses of $102.1 million in the first quarter, or 82% of revenue, were down approximately $6.8 million, or 6.2% year over year. Despite the lower revenue base compared to the prior year period, we once again delivered higher profitability. Adjusted EBITDA of $22.1 million, or 17.8% of revenue, was up $3.2 million compared to $18.9 million, or 14.8% of revenue in the year-ago period. Cost reduction efforts in the back half of last year drove further margin improvement in the first quarter. GAAP net loss was $38 million in the first quarter compared to $27.6 million in the prior year. GAAP net loss per share was $4.57 per share compared to $3.42 per share in the prior year. Adjusted net income of $2.5 million in the first quarter compared to an adjusted net loss of $390,000 in the prior year.

Adjusted net income per share of $0.30 for the first quarter compared to an adjusted net loss of $0.05 in the prior year. Moving to cash flow and balance sheet highlights. As we've continuously highlighted, one of our key focus areas is improving free cash flow and getting the company to generate consistent positive free cash flow. In Q1, we generated $31.3 million in cash flow from operations and invested $5.1 million in capital expenditures and capitalized internally developed software, resulting in free cash flow of $26.2 million compared to $10.4 million in the prior year period and improvement of $15.8 million. While we're encouraged by our strong free cash flow in the quarter, I want to make two points as it relates to free cash flow. The first has to do with normal seasonality.

Our first quarter is our highest seasonal free cash flow quarter, whereas our second quarter is traditionally our lowest. Secondly, in Q1, we benefited from the timing of collections and certain disbursements and would expect to see much of that benefit reversed in the second quarter, in fact, causing a cash usage in the second quarter. However, we remain on track for our free cash flow expectations for the full fiscal year 2026. Cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash was $131 million at quarter end. Total gross debt, which includes borrowings on our term loan and accounts receivable facility, was $580 million at the end of Q1, down slightly from approximately $581 million at the end of fiscal 2025. With a strong cash flow performance in the quarter, we kept borrowings on our accounts receivable facility to the minimum amount of $1 million and, in fact, built cash.

Total net debt, which includes borrowings on our term loan and accounts receivables facility, net of cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash, was approximately $449 million, down from approximately $477 million at the end of the fourth quarter. Turning to our outlook for the full year, as Ron already mentioned, we're reiterating our previously communicated guidance ranges for fiscal 2026. As a reminder, we expect revenue in a range of $530 million-$545 million and Adjusted EBITDA of $112 million-$118 million. We will continue to monitor the current market conditions and the policy changes that could potentially materially impact the business.

While we expect to reverse most of our first quarter free cash flow generation in the second quarter and use cash in that quarter, we remain confident in our ability to again drive positive free cash flow in fiscal 2026 and reiterate our expectation of free cash flow in a range of $13-$18 million for the full year. With that, Operator, please open up the call to questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. With that, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press Star 2 to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Ken Wong with Oppenheimer and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Fantastic. John, congratulations on the role and welcome to the team. I think this question could go to either you or Ron, but you guys called out heightened macro uncertainty, a little erosion on discretionary spend, and longer sales cycles. I guess, what are you seeing in the underlying KPI, or if there's deals that have closed since the quarter ended that gives you confidence in reiterating that full-year target?

John Frederick (CFO)

Ken, hi. This is John. I'll take the first stab at the question, and thanks for the kind words. Pretty excited to be here. I think I'll just give you kind of a higher-order sort of answer, and then I'll progressively drill down just a little bit. As I think about the outlook, I've been on the job for about three weeks now, and this has really been a whether or not we can hit the guidance for the year. It's really been consuming a lot of my mind here. When I break down the pieces into the two business segments, I think about TDS for a second. We've grown three quarters in a row, so I feel good about that so far. We had some nice recurring revenue coming off of the Q4 bookings, so that gave me some confidence.

Overall, I feel pretty good about our biggest business segment, TDS. The focus for me to try to really answer that question is really around GK. From a GK perspective, last year, we declined for the full year in the mid-teens. When you look at the back half in isolation, there was really a positive second derivative that was happening. The declines were starting to soften, and that was giving us some confidence. Then entered the market uncertainty. We saw Q1 kind of go back to a reversion of last year's declines. If you index on some of the live learning challenges that Ron highlighted in some of his comments, our performance in GK really speaks to both the resilience of the early strategy shifts and perhaps even more so to the resilience of the go-to-market team.

When I start to think about contextualizing my confidence, I start looking at the deal pipeline. We've got a nice large deal pipeline in GK specifically, some good recurring relationships that provide some visibility. Provided that the live learning market stabilizes, there's a reasonable thesis for GK to resume its improvement. Overall, assuming the macro market stabilizes, we decided to reaffirm the P&L guidance.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Got it. In your underlying assumptions, I guess, is there some component of GK is maybe a little worse, TDS a little better, and on the balance, you can arrive at the reiteration, or is it kind of the business dynamic remains similar to how you were thinking a couple of months back, and hopefully things stabilize and then we get there? Does that question somewhat make sense, or have to reword if necessary?

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

Yeah, this is Ron. I'll just jump in for a second on it. As I look at the business, as John highlighted, the discretionary spending for us is what came under attack in Q1 from what I've talked to some other people. The same thing. There's a lot of activity in discretionary spending. To bring that to life, Ken, that's really under the category we call live learning, which would include GK and our coaching business. Those two pieces are where we felt it in Q1. What I will say is we saw at the last month of the quarter, we saw things heading back in the right direction.

That is where my confidence—I'll just jump in here for a second—where my confidence comes back saying, "Okay, we're working our way through this thing." The uncertainty thing, my hope is that that becomes just part of the market normal now, like we dealt with COVID as an example, right? That is where my head is heading to. That is why we stayed, as John had indicated, right with our guidance.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Okay. Perfect. Thanks a lot for that context, Ron. Ron, maybe sticking with you. You guys have done a fantastic job in terms of cleaning up the business. It feels like we have stabilized for the most part. What's next? How should we think about what's phase two of this process and any thoughts on how we should think about a timeline there?

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

Sure. This year is the most important year of my life, like it is every time, right? For the company. As we look at it, delivering this year really is important, Ken, as we go along. As we execute against the year, what we'll do is we'll really start to plan on now cranking that growth rate up further, right? That's the goal here. I'm excited about what I see in the strategy that we laid out. I'm excited about where we can take the business, the reaction we're getting from—I just hosted two customer dinners, one in London, one in New York. The feedback from the CHROs that we were with and the chief learning officers of very large companies we were with was very, very positive.

The one in London in particular was 15 prospects in the room, which is very interesting to hear their view of where the market's going. We heard words like "right on the money." Now, what we have to do is translate that into our go-to-market and our product strategy. What you see with announcements like Raeann and other things taking over our marketing, that's an area that needs a lot of improvement for us as a company. I did not want to get ahead of ourselves too early there until we built out what we were doing strategically. That is now, strategic direction is set. We're good on that. We're now very focused on the product plans and go-to-market plans, and most importantly, the sales coverage or the overall go-to-market approach. That's where all the energy is going now.

Timeline, that takes a little longer to build out those strategic capabilities for how we're going to sell, but all that foundation is being poured in parallel with delivering this year.

John Frederick (CFO)

When you think about how we're sequencing this, and Ron summarized it nicely, that we came up with a way to pay for all the transformation efforts that we needed to do. We did that through the resource reallocations last year. That's fully implemented. We're seeing the benefits. You saw that in operating expenses coming down year over year. The first half of the year is really all around investing in our go-to-market and products, as Ron discussed. In the back half, that's where we start to see the benefits from what should be a multi-year set of benefits from the investments we're making in growth today. We're really focused on trying to get through this investment phase as quickly as we can so we can have the proper go-to-market coverage, the proper tools in market, the proper marketing in market to grow revenue.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Got it. Got it. John, I wanted to touch on free cash flow. Obviously, very strong quarter. You highlighted maybe a little bit of kind of collections timing benefited, and you already laid out the 2Q dynamics of reversing. When we cut through all of that commentary, is the right interpretation that free cash flow was still kind of above expectations? To the extent that it was, maybe help us think through some of the moving pieces besides the kind of the earlier collections that might have caused that. Was it bookings upside? Was it just more aggressive spend management? How should we think through what the back half could look like as we lap that 2Q downtick seasonally?

John Frederick (CFO)

Yeah. It's a great question, Ken. If you think about the seasonality of our bookings, within TDS, we've got a 45%-50% fourth quarter that's collected in Q1. Big seasonality there. I'd say that our cash collection performance was very, very good in the quarter. I mean, really, really good in the quarter. In fact, I'd say it's going to be hard to—it's going to be hard to repeat. When you look at our disbursement timing, just kind of breaking through the pieces, we had some timing of some big payables that went out in the first week, second week of May. We had a bit of timing on the disbursement side. When you look at over the year, you heard me talk about the fact that a bunch of that's going to reverse in Q2.

Naturally, when you give guidance at $13 million-$18 million, that would infer that we're going to use cash in the balance of the year. The good news is we've collected the cash upfront, and we'll just use the cash to run the business operations throughout the year as we go. The booking before was really the biggest catalyst for having a really, really big Q1.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Okay. Understood. Perhaps just a little context on the government business. I think that seems to be kind of one area that you called out. Maybe seeing a little more softness than anticipated. Any context you can provide us? Has that started to pick back up now that maybe DOGE is no longer a thing, or maybe it still will be? What might have been the contributors to that slower government spend and how we should think about it going forward?

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

There are two parts to the government journey, and you hit one of them, which is DOGE. The first part was the executive orders that we talked about on the calls in the past, Ken. In terms of that, we're still not seeing a material impact to our revenue overall. What we saw was what I mentioned earlier in the Fed space. I did see—we did see the discretionary spend hit the live learning piece of it. That primarily, the hit we took came from the federal sector, right? That came from the U.S. federal sector. Interestingly enough, we're seeing actually good activity in Europe in their federal sectors, their public sector, excuse me. We're actually seeing good uptick there in that business in the quarter. When I look at it, we're in good shape there for the moment on the executive orders.

Now, to your point, there's a workforce reduction, right? And those numbers we're still assessing right now as those things come in because, as you've seen in the news, that's become very fluid, right, as to what that means in terms of number of employees in the government. We are paying very close attention and holding steady right now until we understand it more. The government's a big, big, big business in the world, in our world, and it's a piece of ours. It's a notable piece of ours, but we're not going to over-rotate. We are staying steady. We are keeping a calm hand on it, watching it very, very closely. Discretionary is what got hit revenue-wise. DOGE impact is TBD.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Got it.

John Frederick (CFO)

Yeah. It's also interesting. Adding to that, Ken, real quick, is the pressure that we saw on discretionary, including the coaching piece of the business. Notwithstanding those pressures, TDS still managed to grow on its own. I think it's helpful to kind of comment on the resilience of it. While this is a full year, we were running a full-year business in the end. It was interesting and, frankly, comforting to see the resilience in that business.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Got it. Got it. Last thing for me. I do not want to completely monopolize the time today. John, obviously, you have been here before. You are now taking the reins in the CFO seat. Anything that you are specifically focused on? Any either changes, improvements that we can expect now that you are helming the finance office?

John Frederick (CFO)

I think there's kind of a broader conversation around the company, around transforming the business, around getting everything aligned and organized. Really, to work as an integrated unit across the company. That integration piece is going to be something that the team has already heard and that we're all working together to try to drive, which is to say we want to infuse finance into every decision that we make in the company, but do it in a way that connects with what we have to do from a go-to-market and from a product perspective. Just absolutely everything that we do is going to be go-to-market driven with us acting as a support feature to the team.

Ken Wong (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Perfect. I'll pass the mic.

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

Thank you, Ken. Appreciate it. Operator, I believe that is it for our analysts.

Operator (participant)

Great. Yep. Thank you. I'd like to pass it back to Ron Hovsepian for closing remarks.

Ron Hovsepian (Executive Chair and CEO)

Great. Thank you. I appreciate it, everyone. As I look at Q1 and I look to Q2, it was an interesting first quarter given all the signals that we received in the market, especially, obviously, from the macro uncertainties, macroeconomic uncertainties that were generated. That said, I thought the business performed fairly well. There are areas where we can continue to improve, and we are improving those areas. Go-to-market remains the top priority, as John had highlighted for us, and we are going to continue to drive that throughout the year. John, in his prepared remarks, made a reference to a number of investments that we anticipate really seeing the benefits in Q3 and Q4 in particular. I am excited about what I am seeing there, both at a recruiting level as well as the reaction from the customers.

With that, we'll get back to work on Q2, and I really appreciate it, and we'll talk soon. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. With that, this does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time.