SkyWater - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Q1 2025 revenue of $61.3M declined 23% YoY and 19% QoQ, but came in just above guidance midpoint; gross margin improved YoY (GAAP 23.3%, non-GAAP 24.2%) despite ATS softness, while adjusted EBITDA was $4.0M and non-GAAP EPS was $(0.08).
• Wafer Services rebounded 70% QoQ to $7.5M on strong demand for the newly launched ThermaView platform with defense primes; ATS decreased 12% QoQ to $52.5M due to DOD budget delays, tools revenue fell to $1.2M.
• Q2 2025 guidance: total revenue $55–$60M, GAAP EPS $(0.20)–$(0.26), non-GAAP EPS $(0.16)–$(0.22); ATS $49–$53M, Wafer Services $5–$6M, tools under $1M; gross margin 16–19% and OpEx ~$15.7M ±$0.2M.
• Management maintained FY 2025 targets for combined ATS+Wafer Services growth (~5% ±2%), mid-20s non-GAAP GM, positive non-GAAP EPS and ≥10% adjusted EBITDA margin; notably lowered FY tools revenue outlook to ~$30M from prior $40–$50M, a margin tailwind.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Wafer Services growth: revenue rose 70% QoQ to $7.5M, driven by ThermaView traction with two defense prime customers; CEO: “strong traction... for our ThermaView℠ platform”.
• Gross margin expansion YoY: GAAP gross margin 23.3% (vs 16.3% LY), non-GAAP 24.2% (vs 16.9% LY), aided by lower tools mix and cost improvements; CFO noted a ~$2M favorable warranty accrual reversal boosting Q1 GM.
• Strategic momentum: continued progress toward acquiring Infineon’s Fab 25 (mid-2025 closing anticipated) and validation of quantum strategy via partner D‑Wave’s quantum supremacy announcement leveraging SkyWater-fabricated qubits.

What Went Wrong

• ATS softness: ATS revenue fell 12% QoQ to $52.5M, reflecting federal budget delays and continuing resolutions holding spending at FY2024 levels; management expects a back-half snapback contingent on funding.
• EPS and EBITDA decline QoQ: GAAP diluted EPS fell to $(0.15) vs $(0.01) in Q4; adjusted EBITDA declined to $4.0M vs $10.2M in Q4, reflecting lower ATS mix and reduced tools gross profit.
• Tools revenue drop: Tools slid to $1.2M from $11.7M in Q4 and $30.7M in Q3, removing a gross profit contributor (though tools generally carry minimal margin).

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good afternoon and welcome to SkyWater Technology's first quarter 2025 financial results conference call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you'll need to press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Claire McAdams, Investor Relations for SkyWater. Please go ahead.

Claire McAdams (Head of Investor Relations)

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to SkyWater's first quarter 2025 conference call. With me on the call today from SkyWater are Thomas Sonderman, Chief Executive Officer, and Steve Manko, Chief Financial Officer. I'd like to remind you that our call is being webcast live on SkyWater's Investor Relations website at ir.skywatertechnology.com. The webcast will be available for replay shortly after the call concludes. On the events page of our IR website, we have posted a slide presentation that accompanies today's call. Also posted is our financial supplement, which summarizes our quarterly and annual financial results for the last three years, including all non-GAAP adjustments and comparisons to our GAAP results, as well as the impact of tool sales on our gross margins. During the call, any statements made about our future financial results and business are forward-looking statements.

These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. For discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our earnings release filed on Form 8-K today and our fiscal 2024 Form 10-K. All forward-looking statements are made as of today, and we assume no obligation to update any such statements. During this call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures. You can find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, our financial supplement, and in our Q1 earnings presentation, all three of which are posted on our Investor Relations website. Also, on our IR website events page, you'll see that we plan to participate in three investor conferences in Q2: B. Riley in Los Angeles, Craig-Hallum in Minneapolis, and TD Cowen in New York.

We are also in the early stages of planning our capital markets day at Fab 25 in Austin, ideally this summer before Q2 reporting season. Please feel free to contact me directly for any investor follow-up requests. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tom.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Thank you, Claire, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. Our revenues for the first quarter were closely aligned with the outlook provided in February and just above the midpoint of our guidance range. Gross margin and non-GAAP EPS both exceeded guidance, and adjusted EBITDA performance was stronger than forecast at over $4 million. The upside achieved in wafer services during Q1 was driven by strong traction from our recently launched ThermaView platform. This launch represents a significant strategic milestone for our company. ThermaView is a dedicated 90-nanometer CMOS and MIMS platform focused on the rapidly growing advanced thermal imaging market. The initial traction we are seeing from our lead customers is an important indicator that underscores both the relevance of this highly differentiated technology and the strength of our operating model for co-creating technologies and transitioning them efficiently to production.

New products drove over half of Q1's wafer services revenue led by ThermaView, as well as recent ATS to wafer services conversions, a meaningful shift from 2024's 90% legacy mix. Despite potential ThermaView lumpiness during ramp-up, new products will fuel most of wafer services growth in 2025, supporting sustainable innovation-driven growth at our Minnesota fab, further increasing its long-term revenue contribution. Offsetting the strength in wafer services was a slightly softer quarter for ATS compared to our expectations going into the quarter. The continued budget delays and extended negotiations occurring in Washington, D.C., are impacting our near-term revenue outlook while the U.S. government continues to operate at 2024 spending levels. Once resolved, we are prepared to execute aggressively and expect a strong snapback in ATS revenue in the second half of 2025. SkyWater's full-year outlook remains largely unchanged from our last earnings call.

On today's call, I want to reiterate the strategic rationale for expanding 200-millimeter foundry capacity in the U.S. through the pending acquisition of Infineon's flagship Fab 25 in Austin, Texas, and discuss the unique value SkyWater brings to this opportunity. Semiconductor sovereignty in the U.S. isn't a one-size-fits-all equation. It requires increased domestic capacity across both advanced and foundational nodes, as well as the establishment of a comprehensive domestic packaging and test infrastructure. The future manufacturing landscape will include a mix of form factors: 200-millimeter, 300-millimeter, and panel-based technologies, each occupying distinct and essential roles in the broader value chain. SkyWater's acquisition of Fab 25 is a strategic step to meet this multidimensional need.

Recognized as one of the most advanced 200-millimeter CMOS fabs in the Western Hemisphere, Fab 25 is expected to unlock new domestically sourced foundry capacity, creating customer opportunities for both new product development and the dual sourcing of critical foundational semiconductors. The 200-millimeter format remains the optimal manufacturing base for a wide range of specialty technologies, including analog and mixed-signal ICs, power management, RF, MIMS, sensors, and high-voltage CMOS. These technologies are critical to high-growth sectors such as automotive, in particular autonomous driving and EV power control, industrial automation and sensing, medical devices, and defense systems. We believe Fab 25 occupies a strategic sweet spot in capabilities, delivering the output scale, quality standards, and process flexibility needed to meet the evolving demands of these markets, all while remaining aligned with secure U.S.-based supply chain goals.

Supported by a four-year supply agreement valued at over $1 billion, this acquisition will provide immediate revenue and positive cash flow to our company. The acquisition will further enhance our ability to extend our differentiated technology-as-a-service model to a broader range of customers, diversifying our revenue base and advancing our mission as an essential enabler of America's semiconductor onshoring and industrial resilience strategy. We continue to proceed to an expected mid-year closing, and we currently anticipate holding our planned capital markets day at Fab 25 in Austin in early to mid-July. Now moving to our partner D-Wave's historic announcement made during Q1, demonstrating quantum supremacy in simulation, an industry-defining milestone proving that quantum systems can outperform classical computers on targeted problems. We believe this breakthrough underscores SkyWater's vital role in enabling real-world quantum innovations through its secure U.S.-based manufacturing capabilities.

The demand for quantum computing innovation is both strong and accelerating, fueled by intense global competition for mind share, market share, and technical leadership. Momentum continues to build around this technology space as commercial and government stakeholders alike race to capitalize on its transformational potential. We believe SkyWater is uniquely positioned in this dynamic landscape. In 2024, advanced compute grew to become our second largest end market after aerospace and defense. Over 90% of our revenues from the advanced compute segment last year were related to quantum technology development, with key customers including D-Wave and PsiQuantum. Our technology-as-a-service model provides a critical bridge for lab-to-fab breakthroughs, leading to scalable production-ready solutions, offering support for superconducting, photonic, and other qubit technologies. SkyWater's superconducting technology leverages proprietary process integration schemes, cryogenic testing capabilities, and advanced packaging platforms.

When coupled with the highest levels of quality and reliability, SkyWater's approach ensures rapid innovation and trusted onshore scaling. These capabilities make our company an instrumental partner in unlocking the advancements that quantum computing promises to deliver, enabling further AI leadership and enhancing our national security. We congratulate D-Wave on this important accomplishment and look forward to communicating our continued success in quantum technology enablement as our revenue growth in this nascent but important segment continues to gain traction. Turning to the current demand environment, our ATS business, which drives the majority of the revenue for the company, has continued to face challenges from prolonged U.S. federal budget negotiations, delaying the timing of key program funding for our A&D customers. Last quarter, we expected improved visibility and a strong ATS recovery in Q2.

However, the resulting continuing resolution has shifted several anticipated program spending level increases into the second half of the year. Importantly, this is not a matter of program viability or customer demand. These are strategic mission-critical initiatives that remain fully supported by our partners and the administration. In most cases, we continue to execute our ATS programs at 2024 spending levels with anticipated funding releases later in 2025. Based on today's visibility, we continue to expect that increased program funding will drive solid ATS growth beginning in Q3. The fundamentals of these programs remain strong, our execution readiness is high, and we continue to see clear customer alignment on the need for rapid progress once funding is approved. We also expect our Florida Advanced Packaging Platform development to further contribute to ATS revenue, adding additional momentum to the second half.

Given our current visibility and customer commitments to second-half funding, we are maintaining our full-year revenue guidance range of 5% revenue growth for our combined ATS and wafer services business, plus or minus 2%. Due to funding delays, we expect the year will be more back-half weighted than originally forecast. We believe we will achieve year-over-year growth in both ATS and wafer services in 2025. Now, I'd like to say a few words about the current uncertainty regarding tariff policy. So far, we have seen no downward revisions in the demand forecast from our major customers in response to the new tariffs. Although we cannot eliminate all tariff risk as an exclusively domestic U.S. semiconductor manufacturer, we believe our overall tariff exposure is limited, especially in comparison to most multinational manufacturers in our industry.

Importantly, we do not expect any significant impact to our business in defense, which is our primary end market. While we use some imported materials in our defense programs, these products are entirely manufactured in the U.S. We do not anticipate that the impact of potentially higher input costs will have an adverse effect on the demand for the long-term profitability of these important programs. During this period, we are proactively managing costs and aligning our execution plans to help ensure we are well-positioned to capitalize on the anticipated second-half ramp. Overall, we believe these temporary periods of uncertainty do not diminish the long-term strategic value of our defense programs or our outlook for 2025. For Q2 specifically, we expect total revenues in the range of $55-$60 million. We expect ATS revenues in the $49-$53 million range and tools revenue just under $1 million.

With Q1 wafer services exceeding our expectations, we anticipate some lumpiness in Q2 as these new programs begin their production ramp, leading to between $5-$6 million of expected wafer services revenues in the current quarter. We expect a stronger second half of 2025 with significant sequential growth in both Q3 and Q4, driven in part by the ongoing ramp of our advanced packaging business. SkyWater continues to aim for positive non-GAAP EPS for the year. I will now turn the call over to Steve. Thank you, Tom. First quarter revenue of $61.3 million came in just above the midpoint of our guidance range. Combined ATS and wafer services revenue was $60.1 million, and tools revenue was $1.2 million. Upsided wafer services more than offset the temporary softening in ATS as a result of government budget delays in Washington, D.C.

Our Q1 gross margin exceeded our expectations at 24.2%, and the impact of tools in the quarter was less than 20 basis points. Q1 gross margin benefited from a roughly $2 million favorable reversal of a warranty accrual recorded last year. Adjusted EBITDA of $4 million was stronger than forecast as a result of favorable gross margin performance, as well as lower OPEX. Q1 OPEX was $15.2 million, and with continued close management of spending levels, we currently expect the increase in operating expenses for the full year will be at the lower end of the 10-15% increase expected for 2025, communicated previously. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $51 million in cash, an increase of $32 million from year-end.

The majority of the increase was driven by advanced payments to fund tool purchases that we anticipate will be made over the course of 2025. The accounting for tools for this customer program is different than some of our other programs in that we own the tools and the funding goes through the cash flow statement rather than being recorded as tools revenue on the P&L. Cash flow generated by the P&L was slightly positive for the quarter, and working capital changes net of the customer advance added approximately $4 million to operating cash flow. The majority of capital expenditures of $15 million were customer funded. We also paid down approximately $7 million on our revolver during the quarter to finish Q1 with approximately $60 million in total debt.

Before I talk about guidance, let me give you a little more color on the impact of tariffs and trade on SkyWater. The situation is very dynamic, potentially increasing macroeconomic risk and making longer-term financial projections difficult and subject to change. However, we believe that SkyWater is relatively well-positioned. From a revenue perspective, our customers have made no downward revisions to their forecasts in direct response to tariffs. From a cost perspective, we are taking actions to mitigate any potential financial impacts, which for us would primarily come in the form of higher costs for materials sourced outside of the U.S. and higher costs for tools. As things stand right now, our tooling purchases are all considered 8486 items, which are exempt from tariffs. The larger concern we are focused on at the moment is any ancillary equipment purchases that are not exempt from tariffs.

We do have some exposure on spend, but it is relatively small, about $2 million a quarter, some of which can be mitigated by simply canceling that spend or sourcing from other countries. We also could have some unknown exposure due to potential price increases from suppliers who source materials from countries affected by tariffs. We believe we should have more clarity on overall financial impact at our next earnings call. Turning to our outlook, which is all before any contribution from the pending acquisition of Fab 25. Based on the full-year revenue expectations Tom discussed earlier, reflecting modest growth in both ATS and wafer services, or approximately 5% growth from both businesses combined, we expect significant expansion of our gross margin profile in the second half of 2025. As you recall, our combined ATS and wafer services business generated nearly 26% gross profit margin in 2024.

Our gross margin model demonstrates strong flow-through or incremental gross margin above the break-even level of $45 million in quarterly revenue, excluding tools. In Q2, the midpoint of our ATS and wafer services revenue guidance is about $12 million above break-even. Given that our EPS break-even level is about $70 million, the implication is that we expect to drop at least 70% of incremental revenues directly to gross profit. Provided that ATS funding comes through as expected in the second half, our current forecast reflects gross margins on the core ATS and wafer services business expanding into the 30s in the second half in order to result in high 20s gross margin for the full year. Again, this is the expected range for the combined ATS and wafer services portion of our revenues.

We expect little to no gross profit on the $30 million of tools revenue in 2025, most of which will be recorded in the second half. We expect close to a 300 basis point negative impact of tools revenue on our gross margin for the full year. Therefore, our expectation for reported non-GAAP gross margin in the full year is in the mid-20s or the 23-27% range. We expect the expansion of our gross margin profile as we move through 2025 will result in profitability in the second half and for the full year, positive non-GAAP EPS and strong adjusted EBITDA of at least 10% of total revenues. For the full year, we expect a similar level of combined interest, tax, and VIE as we reported in 2024, which altogether are in the range of $13-$14 million annually.

Given the forecast for profitable results in the second half and the impact of deferred taxes, we currently estimate tax expense of approximately $1.5 million in 2025 and slightly lower interest expense for the year in the $8 million range. Turning to Q2 guidance, given the dynamics Tom discussed earlier, we are taking a conservative view to the quarter with an expected range of $55-$60 million in total revenue, consisting of $5-$6 million in wafer services revenue, just under $1 million in tool revenue, and a range of $49-$53 million in ATS revenues in advance of a rebound in Q3. Given these assumptions, our gross margin guidance for Q2 is in the range of 16%-19% with about a 30 basis point impact from tools.

We expect Q2 operating expenses of approximately $15.7 million, plus or minus $200,000, approximately $2 million in interest expense, $400,000 in tax, and $1 million in income from variable interest entities for an expected EPS loss for the quarter in the range of $0.16-$0.22 per share. Based on our outlook for the full year, we expect a strong rebound in financial results for Q3 and continued sequential improvement in Q4. With that, I'll turn the call over to Q&A. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. As a reminder to ask the question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw any questions, press star one again. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Quinn Bolton from Needham & Company. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Quinn Bolton (Managing Director)

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess my first question is, obviously, last quarter, looking into Q2, you expected a recovery in ATS, and that did not happen. Now we are sort of looking for that ATS recovery to begin strongly in the second half. I understand these are key programs, but there is a lot of volatility going on in Washington right now. How do you have confidence that these programs and the budget will get approved at higher funding levels that support that second half?

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah, thanks for the question. Clearly, that is the issue that a lot of us are wrestling with as the dynamics unfold in D.C. The biggest thing that gives us confidence is the almost $300 million of investment that has been made by the U.S. government over the last several years to create capability.

We believe the programs that investment drives are very much aligned with the national security agenda, kind of irrespective of the administration. We are going through the dynamics of a change in administration. The continuing resolution that was passed as we were in the middle of the quarter essentially held spending at 2024 levels. Given that, we obviously had to adapt. As the quarter has unfolded, we've had multiple dialogues with our end customers within the U.S. government as part of their exercise, which is ongoing, to look at government efficiency, how they can drive out waste. The program reviews that we're undertaking, we feel very strong about not only the commitment coming from the customer, but our ability to execute with speed once the funding issues are resolved.

It is really the backdrop of a changed administration, but more importantly, the criticality of the programs we have and the long-standing investment and commitment we have seen over multiple years with all these initiatives.

Quinn Bolton (Managing Director)

I guess, Tom, maybe just to follow up to that, I do not know off the top of my head how far or how long the current continuing resolution funded the government. Is there a date by which we have to either get another continuing resolution or to pass a budget that lands in Q2? Or could we continue to be funded by CRs well into the summer? I am just trying to get some sense of what visibility you may have into that funding recovery in the second half. I have a follow up on a different topic. Yeah.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Clearly, we're looking by the end of Q2 to have very good transparency in terms of what we expect the second half will look like, and that will be reflected in our Q3 forecast. Much like, again, the rest of us, we're watching what's happening in D.C. The discussions driving towards an omnibus type of bill over the summer is what we're hearing, and that's what we're marching towards. I would say by the end of Q2, we'll have good transparency.

Quinn Bolton (Managing Director)

Got it. You guys mentioned some of the work you're doing on the quantum computing space and advanced computing with D-Wave and PsiQuantum. I guess maybe two quick questions there. How big? You mentioned it's 90% of your advanced computing. Roughly, how big is advanced computing as a percentage of the business?

Can you give us any sense on the type of work you're doing with PsiQuantum? Are you manufacturing silicon photonics wafers for them? Are you doing signal and control devices? Is there any comment? Because I think you've previously said what you're doing with D-Wave. Thank you.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah. The advanced compute market is about 10% of the business today. As we've alluded to, 90% of that is tied to the quantum computing space. With regard to PsiQuantum, think of PsiQuantum as a very complicated product that they're putting together. We're part of their value chain, and our focus is around, obviously, our expertise in superconducting technology and other films technology that they integrate. Photonics is another component that is unique within the PsiQuantum solution, and that's another area of expertise. Beyond that, we don't really want to provide any more detail. Got it.

Quinn Bolton (Managing Director)

Looking forward to coming down to Fab 25 in Austin over the summer. Thank you.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah. I apologize for the fact that it'll be the middle of July when the heat is on, but look forward to seeing you there.

Quinn Bolton (Managing Director)

I'll bring a cool drink. Thanks.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Good.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Robert Mertons from TD Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robert Mertons (Analyst)

Hi. This is Robert Mertons on the line for Chris Sankar. Thanks for taking my question. Just if I'm doing the math right here, it seems like ThermaView represented a mid-single-digit million revenue amount for the March quarter. Just how should we think about the ramp of that business, maybe compared to some of the other programs and wafer services this year? And just if you have any sort of potential sizing of what that market could be over the next few years. Yeah.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

ThermaView is driving the ramp of our wafer services business. This has really been our plan all along. Just given the traction that we have with our lead customers and their ability to take our products and put them into in-state systems, we feel like that will be the main driver of growth in wafer services this year. We do have other converts that we talked about last year. They're coming together at somewhat of a different pace. Again, some of those are tied to the medical device rapid diagnostic space. Their timeline to ramp is a little bit different, and I think we have the most clarity around the ThermaView space. As far as the size, ultimately, we see this, and this is in the deck that we provided, a $9 billion market.

Obviously, we're expecting to capture a percent of that as we grow our solution into the space. Overall, we feel like this is going to be a good growth driver for us. It's also a market where we're entering into DOD, but we expect to continue to propagate that into the automotive space as well as the medical device space. As far as the ratio of traditional, our legacy last year was 90% legacy, 10% new. We are expecting this year to be 60% new, 40% legacy as we exit this year. That was the run rate we had in the first quarter as well.

Robert Mertons (Analyst)

Great. Thank you. That's very helpful.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Robert Aguano from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robert Aguanno (Assistant Vice President and Equity Analyst)

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the call, doing the call here.

Just to expand on that, you guys mentioned new products driving half of wafer services. Can you maybe just double-click on some of maybe the other opportunities that you might have? Ultimately, how big do you think you can expand that business going forward here in the near future?

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah. Again, we have two lead customers that we're providing product for today. This is wafer services product that are then being put into their systems that are going through additional qualifications. We have several other designs that these are design wins. Think of it as products that will immediately move into wafer services. This is really how we're driving with our platform. You leverage the work to create the platform, and then every subsequent tape-out is relatively straightforward. Of course, the two lead customers are major primes that we've been working with for several years.

We generated a lot of ATS revenue from those customers as we built the platform. Those customers are obviously the lead customers that are bringing the product into volume ramp, and then we will subsequently put in other customers as they complete their design process. I'm not really in a position to say how big do we think the market we can go after, but we feel like the traction we're getting already is significant. The fact that we do have these two lead customers is certainly allowing us to have a robust process that we believe will be able to bring new designs in relatively efficiently.

Robert Aguanno (Assistant Vice President and Equity Analyst)

Fair enough. Just one more for me on the expectations around the packaging facility. You guys mentioned a little bit of revenues coming in this year, more of a second-half story.

Can you talk about any sort of KPIs or any other metrics that we could use for how much impact that's going to have this year, or is it more of a 2026 story?

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah. I think this year, the impact's going to be around tools revenue. The majority of tools revenue in 2025 is coming into Florida. Again, this is coming in the second half. If you recall, we talked about the first half. We've had some infrastructure products tied to a Build Back Better grant we got in 2022 that are gating the tool move-ins. Those tool move-ins will begin in the second half, and then we'll start generating traditional, we'll call it ATS revenue through the engineering efforts first as we basically hook up the equipment, get the tools qualified, and then as we start executing the program, which will really be driven mainly in 2026.

Mainly tool revenue in 2025, traditional ATS revenue in 2026.

Robert Aguanno (Assistant Vice President and Equity Analyst)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Richard Shannon from Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Richard Shannon (Senior Research Analyst)

Hi, Thomas. Thanks for taking my questions as well. Maybe let's just look broadly in the transition towards wafer services. Obviously, the last couple of questions have been about specific ones in ThermaView, but maybe give us a view here, Tom. How do we look at the number of conversions that go from ATS to wafer services this year? Maybe you can delineate that between A and D type of customers versus other markets.

Thomas Sonderman (CEO)

Yeah. Again, last year, if you recall, we had, I believe, four announced transitions. One was into the auto industrial sector. The other three were into the biodiagnostic and other medical device areas.

I think those, again, are relatively smaller companies that are, again, going through the necessary qualifications. Typically, once the technology gets qualified, you're not making process adjustments. What you're doing is producing product that initially is going into samples that our customers would be putting in front of their in-state OEMs, trying to get them to buy into the new products and then ultimately ramp those up. I think we're in that process right now. Certainly, in the bio space, this is relatively new to us. We're learning how the sequencing of those kind of align with our ramp strategies. On the ThermaView side, we have obviously a lot of experience working with the DOD. In the case of these products, they are going into systems that exist today. These are enhanced capabilities that our solution provides.

The testing and qualification sequencing is a little bit different there versus when they go into a new system, which we also expect to get design wins for. Overall, we can do what we can do, which is develop the process, get it qualified, get the samples in the hands of our customers, and then their ramp rate, of course, depends on their qualification cycles. As we get more converts, of course, this year, we expect to have converts happening as well. Each individual conversion will have less of an effect on our overall business because they'll all be operating at different kinds of speeds, but collectively, they will become much more predictable. This is really, if you think about last year, that was the first year of the converts. This year, we're getting more converts.

Every year, we should just expect to be converting new programs out of ATS into wafer services. The other thing that's going on as well is we're getting new design wins into ATS. In addition to design wins on the ThermaView platform this year, for example, we expect to have other design wins that are coming into ATS to kind of backfill the programs that are moving into volume production. Thanks for those thoughts, Tom. My second question is on another program we haven't heard about in a few quarters here, and that's the RadHard program. Obviously, funded a number of years ago. I wonder if you could give us an update there and how that's going and is there any impact from the budgetary stalemate in Washington, D.C. on that program. Yeah. I would say the technology continues to evolve leading to qualification.

I think the technology itself continues to gain in robustness as we drive towards meeting the customer requirements. Again, in the defense industry, and especially in the environment we are in today, even the requirements are changing as you move through program initiation, which in this case started at the beginning of this decade. Now, as we prepare to actually put them into the in-state systems, you are beginning to refine the requirements, and we want to make sure that our in-state capability matches the majority of the requirements coming from the customer base that we will be serving. We are expecting, as this year unfolds and going into next year, we are getting to the point where we get a qualified process. To your point about government funding, this is certainly one of the programs, along with really all programs, that are being reassessed in terms of priority.

One thing I think it's important to understand is that our model is a foundry model. I think the DOD is going through a similar process that the commercial spaces went to, in that they're embracing the movement to foundries and leveraging this type of approach. Our technology foundry approach, having a common source that all the primes can access, is really what we're enabling. If you think about government efficiency, the goal of moving from primes running labs to foundries running fabs is really what SkyWater is intending to demonstrate. I think we are a national asset, and we expect that investment, not only for the programs that I alluded to earlier, but this specific program to continue to come to SkyWater because of the unique capabilities that literally the government's been investing in since we were created back in 2017. That's a great detail, Tom.

Thanks for all that. I will jump out of line. We have no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Thomas Sonderman for closing remarks. Thank you, Operator. At SkyWater, we are confident in our ability to execute our long-term growth and profitability goals, and we aim to strengthen your trust in our performance. We look forward to providing updates at our Capital Markets Day in Austin, our Q2 earnings call in early August. With that, I conclude today's call. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.