Sonoco Products Company - Earnings Call - Q1 2020
April 16, 2020
Transcript
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Q1 twenty twenty Sonoco Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Roger Schrum.
Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker 1
Thank you, Josh, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to Sunoco's investor conference call to discuss our first quarter financial results. Joining me today are Howard Coker, President and Chief Executive Officer Roger Fuller, Executive Vice President and Julie Albrecht, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A news release reporting our financial results was issued before the market opened today and is available on the Investor Relations website at sunoco.com. In addition, we will be referencing a presentation that's on our first quarter results, which is also posted on our website this morning. Before we go further, let me remind you that today's call and presentation contains a number of forward looking statements based on current expectations, estimates and projections.
These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. Therefore, actual results may differ materially. Furthermore, today's presentation includes the use of non GAAP financial measures, which management believes provides useful information to investors about the company's financial condition and results of operation. Further information about the company's use of non GAAP financial measures, including definitions as well as reconciliations of those measures to the most closely related GAAP measure is also available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Now let me turn it over to Howard for some brief comments.
Thanks,
Speaker 2
Roger, and good morning, everyone. Let me start by simply saying thank you to our entire Sunoco team. I can't really come close to expressing how much we appreciate the great work all of our associates are doing during these unprecedented times. The stories we are hearing from around the world about the extraordinary efforts our people are executing to meet the critical needs of our customers are truly humbling. Our team's efforts on controlling what is vitally important, including the health and safety of our people, the quality of our products, productivity improvements and cost management led to an outstanding first quarter.
I would also point out that our balanced mix of consumer and industrial businesses performed extremely well during the quarter as we had strong results across many of our businesses, particularly in the month of March, which we believe is largely attributable to consumers spending more time at home. That said, the pandemic's impact is clearly starting to weigh on some of our served markets as we enter the second quarter. Also, the unprecedented increases in recycled fiber costs will have a significant negative impact on our second quarter results, which of course we will eventually recover. Julie will go through all of these results and our guidance in a minute. Because Sunoco is a global company with more than three twenty operations countries, we have been experiencing the realities of the virus outbreak since it was first reported in China in January.
As the virus spread throughout Asia, into Europe, The Americas, and now across the globe, we've been working with our team to protect and help our associates meet the critical needs of our customers and where we can contribute to our communities to help drive increased testing and assist health care workers. On slide three, you'll see that throughout the globe, Sonoco is an essential service provider of consumer, industrial and medical packaging. 80% of our consumer packaging sales are linked to food products where we're being called on to meet an increased demand for consumers who are having to stay at home. Our paper operations in The U. S.
And Canada produce over 200,000 tons of uncoated recycled paperboard, which is used to wind toilet paper and other tissue and tile hygiene products. Our global tubes and cores operations play a key role in servicing the food, hygienic, medical, and textile industries. We also produce flexible and thermoformed medical packaging. And our ThermoSafe division provides temperature assured packaging for critically needed virus testing and transportation of lifesaving vaccines and other drugs. On slide four you will see examples of how our associates have rallied to our customers' calls for help during the crisis to aid in fighting this deadly virus.
Recently, our hourly division received an urgent call from a medical customer to see if we could use our unique digital printing and laser scoring capabilities to produce plastic face shields to be used by medical providers and first responders. Alloyed has been experimenting with a unique digital process where we take a file straight from an engineer's computer, convert it to a machine code, and able to make parts in an hour with no tooling or lead time. Our customer originally asked for 100,000 face shields and we were able to deliver them in a couple of days. That same customer increased its orders 20 fold and I'm pleased to say our Alloy team is filling the order and preparing to produce much more. Our ThermoSafe division has geared up operations and is working with one of the nation's largest logistics companies and a large medical products company to ship virus test kits to hospitals and medical research labs across the country using our unique temperature assured coolers.
Teck, our medical packaging business, is currently gearing up to produce large quantities of ThermoScan thermometer covers which are essential for safe use by health care providers. And our tube and core operations in Spain worked oversigned to deliver tubes to be used by an automotive supplier who has retooled their operations to produce cloth face masks for local hospitals. In addition, we're trying to help out where we can in our local communities. As shown on slide five, we donated hundreds of safety glasses and other protective gear to our local medical center here in Hartsville to keep nurses and medical staff safe as they treat patients. Our Perimeter of the Store division donated thousands of pounds of clear PET sheet to Georgia Tech in Atlanta to assist in making 50,000 disposable face shields for medical personnel.
These are just a few of the efforts which illustrate how our team is impacting lives around the world and we couldn't be more proud of their efforts. With that, Julie, why don't you take us through the first quarter numbers, and I'll come back to discuss our recently announced Project Horizon machine conversion and conclude with some color on what we're seeing entering the second quarter.
Speaker 3
Absolutely. Thanks, Howard. I'll begin on Slide six, where you see that earlier this morning, we reported first quarter earnings per share on a GAAP basis of $0.8 and base earnings of $0.94 per share, which is above our guidance range of $0.83 to $0.89 per share. This $0.94 of base earnings per share is above the $0.85 of base EPS that we delivered in the first quarter of last year. At a high level, our first quarter twenty twenty earnings were impacted by overall lower demand, which was more than offset by strong productivity spread among various categories of fixed and variable costs.
In terms of the $0.14 difference between base and GAAP earnings per share, the primary drivers were $09 due to restructuring activities and $06 related to non operating pension costs. Now looking briefly at our base income statement on Slide seven and starting with the top line, you see that sales were $1,303,000,000 down $48,000,000 from the prior year period. And I'll review more details about our key sales drivers on the sales bridge in just a moment. Gross profit was $267,000,000 $4,000,000 below the prior year quarter as our gross profit as a percent of sales was a very strong 20.5%. SG and A expenses of $123,000,000 were favorable year over year by $19,000,000 driven primarily by cost reductions across the business, which more than offset the addition of SG and A from acquisitions, all thus resulting in operating profit of $144,000,000 which is $16,000,000 above last year.
Our first quarter operating profit as a percent of sales was 11%, a solid 150 basis point improvement over the 2019. I'll review the key drivers to operating profit on the bridge in a few minutes. Net interest expense of $16,000,000 was $1,000,000 higher than last year due to higher average debt balances, but mostly offset by lower interest rates on our floating rate debt. Income tax expense of $33,000,000 was $6,000,000 more than last year, driven by a combination of higher pre tax profits and a higher effective tax rate. Our first quarter twenty twenty effective tax rate of 26% was 190 basis points higher than the prior year quarter due primarily to various discrete items.
So moving down to net income, our first quarter twenty twenty base earnings were $95,000,000 or $40 per share. I'll add that first quarter EBITDA margins improved by 200 basis points to 15.8% versus the 13.8% in the first quarter of last year. Now looking at the sales bridge on Slide eight, you see that volume was lower by $36,000,000 or 2.6% for the company as a whole. We did have one less business day this quarter than in the first quarter of last year, which likely represents 1% to 1.5% of this volume change. But my following comments about segment volume do not adjust to this same number of days basis.
Consumer Packaging volume was down by $7,000,000 or approximately 1%. This segment saw volume growth in rigid paper containers in Asia and South America as well as in certain of our plastics food markets, but these were more than offset by lower volume in rigid paper containers North America and Europe as well as in the plastics industrial business. Display and packaging volume was below last year, down $12,000,000 or almost 9%, driven primarily by domestic displays and retail security packaging, which were indirectly related to the exit of our PAC Center contract in 2018. Volume in paper and industrial converted products was down $9,000,000 or almost 2% due to weak Tubin core volumes in The U. S.
And Europe as well as much weaker demand across our Conitex operations. And specific to Conitex, they were negatively impacted primarily due to the coronavirus impact in Asia during much of the first quarter. These decreases were somewhat offset by favorable Tube and Core volume in Brazil and in North America paper where we continue to maintain high utilization of our machines through the pulp end use market. And finally, sales volume in Protective Solutions was down by $8,000,000 or 6% driven by the continued trend of weak volume in automotive and consumer fiber packaging, especially related to the appliance markets. Now moving over to price, you see that selling prices were lower year over year by $25,000,000 driven primarily by our Industrial segment due to significantly lower OCC prices and lower market pricing in our corrugating business.
You'll see on the OCC slide in the appendix that Southeast OCC official board market pricing averaged $42 per ton in the first quarter of this year compared to a $75 average in last year's first quarter. Moving on to acquisitions. You see an impact on the top line of $36,000,000 from the Tech acquisition in Consumer and the Corenso acquisition in the Industrial segment. Both operations delivered sales and earnings in line with our expectations. And finally, foreign exchange and other was negative by $24,000,000 with the largest driver being a $17,000,000 negative impact from foreign exchange translation due to the stronger U.
S. Dollar. So moving to the operating profit bridge on Slide nine and starting with volume mix. Our lower sales volume of $36,000,000 combined with the impact of mix had a negative impact on operating profit of $14,000,000 This impact is spread among the segments, but with a heavier negative drop through in both the consumer and industrial segments due to sales mix. Shifting over to pricecost, I'll remind you that this category includes the earnings benefit from higher selling prices and the impact of all inflation and deflation, including material costs as well as all variable and fixed costs.
In the first quarter, we had $11,000,000 of unfavorable price cost driven by not recovering sufficient price to offset our wage and benefit inflation. Absent this, sales prices less raw materials, energy and freight inflation or deflation was favorable by $4,000,000 Next, you see that the Corenso and Teck acquisitions added $5,000,000 to our first quarter operating profit. Now continuing to total productivity, you see that our total productivity was positive year over year by $26,000,000 with a favorable impact across all four segments. The main contributors to this positive impact were procurement and fixed cost productivity. And finally, the change in other was favorable by $10,000,000 with various moving pieces, but mostly related to lower SG and A expense.
Moving to Slide 10, you will find our segment analysis where you see that Consumer Packaging sales were essentially flat with the addition of Tech being offset by lower volume, exiting the forming films operation in Flexibles and the negative FX translation impact from the stronger U. S. Dollar. Operating profits in the Consumer segment were higher by 9.2 on strong productivity as well as a one time $3,000,000 gain on the sale of certain fixed assets. Our Consumer segment margin was a strong 11.5%, a 100 basis point improvement over the first quarter of last year.
Display and Packaging sales were down 11.8% due primarily to lower volumes and a negative FX translation impact. Operating profit, however, increased by 25% and margins improved by 200 basis points to 6.7%. As with the Consumer segment, this earnings increase was driven by strong productivity. Our Industrial segment sales were down just over 4% mostly from lower pricing due to the decline in OCC market pricing as well as lower demand and negative FX translation, but all partially offset by the added sales from last year's Corenso acquisition. Operating profit in the Industrial segment was higher by almost 12%.
This strong earnings growth is attributable to the Correnso acquisition and improved productivity. The Industrial segment's operating profit was a solid 11.4%, up 160 basis points from the first quarter of last year. And finally, Protective Solutions sales were down 7.7% due to weakness in certain markets, but operating profit improved by 27% due to strong productivity results. This segment's margins improved to 11.8% or a three twenty basis point improvement over last year's first quarter. For the total company, sales were down 3.6%, while operating profit was higher by 12.5%, resulting in company wide operating margins of 11%, a 160 basis point improvement over last year's first quarter.
So moving to cash flow on Slide 11. Our first quarter twenty twenty operating cash flow was $88,000,000 compared with $92,000,000 in the 2019, a decrease of $4,000,000 This decrease was driven by an increased consumption of cash by working capital and by various changes in other assets and liabilities, which was largely offset by an increase in cash provided by accrued expenses. Midway down this slide, you see that our working capital balances increased during the first quarter by $68,000,000 which was a $22,000,000 increase in cash usage by working capital compared to the prior year quarter. The primary driver to this higher working capital change was accounts receivable, which consumed $24,000,000 more cash in the current quarter compared to last year. The primary driver to this AR increase was sales mix and its related impact on average customer payment terms.
So moving on to free cash flow, which we define as operating cash flow less net CapEx and dividends. Our first quarter twenty twenty free cash flow was $14,000,000 a $4,000,000 increase over the prior year period. This slight year over year improvement was driven by lower net CapEx spending of $11,000,000 Our gross CapEx spending in the quarter was $34,000,000 which was $8,000,000 below last year. In addition, we had a $3,000,000 increase in fixed asset sale proceeds in this year's first quarter. And finally, you see that our cash dividends paid in the first quarter of this year were $43,000,000 compared to $41,000,000 in the prior year period.
Moving to Slide eight, I'll first note that we are withdrawing our full year base earnings per share guidance as well as our as well as our cash flow guidance for 2020. This specifically due to the unknown severity and duration of the COVID-nineteen pandemic and the related lack of visibility to the impact on the company's served markets. However, we are providing second quarter base EPS guidance of $0.73 to $0.83 compared to $0.95 of base earnings per share in the 2019. This wide guidance range reflects uncertainties regarding the challenging macroeconomic conditions stemming from the pandemic, including the negative impact of higher recycled fiber costs and a stronger U. S.
Dollar. Turning to Slide 13, I will now provide some additional comments about the key assumptions for our second quarter base earnings guidance. Related to COVID-nineteen, we expect to have a mixed impact on demand for our products with the net impact being slightly negative to earnings compared to the second quarter of last year. Howard will provide more color about the expected impact on our businesses in a few minutes. Also, to prepare for expected and unknown challenges that lie ahead, we are taking various actions to reduce our operating costs and our SG and A expenses above what we have been doing in the prior quarters.
Moving to our pricecost expectations for the second quarter, driven by our outlook for OCC prices to continue increasing due mostly to supplydemand dynamics related to COVID-nineteen, we are expecting a significant negative impact to our Industrial segment's earnings compared to the second quarter of last year. While we are proactively increasing our Industrial segment's pricing related to higher input and other costs, we expect the timing of price cost changes to work against us in the near term. In addition and also generally related to coronavirus and the broad global economic impact, we expect the second quarter earnings headwind from a continued strong U. S. Dollar and from slightly higher interest expense due to increased borrowings we are undertaking to increase our cash balances and enhance our short term liquidity position.
Finally, I'll note that we have assumed a second quarter tax rate of 25.5% in our guidance range. Now shifting to our cash flow this year, we are also taking important actions to protect our cash flow generation this year. Among other things, these include reducing our expected CapEx spend and deferring our voluntary U. S. Pension contribution related to the termination process to 2021.
Specific to our updated CapEx forecast, which is $170,000,000 we have worked with our businesses to reduce our original CapEx budget of $195,000,000 by $45,000,000 but we have added 15,000,000 to $20,000,000 of CapEx for the very strategic Project Horizon. Moving to Slide 14, you see the recent actions we have taken to improve our liquidity position by entering into new term loans and accessing our revolver, while also increasing the short term cash investments that we hold at Sonoco Products, the parent company. Our current liquidity position is approximately $650,000,000 which includes approximately $400,000,000 of cash. In addition to focusing on generating solid free cash flow, we will continue to review our options to potentially access the bank and debt capital markets. Our key objective is to maintain a strong liquidity position as well as a solid investment grade balance sheet.
So this concludes my review of our first quarter financial results and our guidance and liquidity. So with that, I'll turn it over to Howard.
Speaker 2
All right. Thank you, Julie. If you turn to Slide 15, I want to spend a few minutes talking about Project Horizon, which is what we're calling a new $83,000,000 capital investment over the next several years that will significantly lower our uncoated recycled paperboard mill operating costs in The U. S. And Canada.
The majority of this investment will go towards transforming our Hartsville corrugated medium machine, which you all should recognize as our number 10 machine, into a state of the art URB operation with annual production capacity of approximately 180,000 tons. This new machine is being designed with the goal of being the largest and lowest cost producer of URB in the world. We are calling this investment project Horizon as we'll be creating a much brighter future for our North America URB system while resolving the volatility we have experienced over the past several years as an independent producer of corrugated medium. Project Horizon will start with the development of a new recycled fiber stock prep system which will allow us to use lower cost mixed paper and old corrugated containers as our raw material. Our existing number 10 machine is a high speed Fortinair machine that will be upgraded with new forming, press and roll finishing capabilities as well as new electronics and controls.
When completed, this new machine will be able to produce a wide range of URB paper grades which will allow us to meet many of our internal and trade customer needs. Design work and stock prep development will begin later this year and the machine conversion should be completed and online in early twenty twenty two. As part of the mill system optimization program, we will also increase capacity of our Corenso mill in Wisconsin. As shown on Slide 16, after the full ramp up of production, we're projecting this investment will provide approximately $24,000,000 in annual cost savings while delivering returns well above the cost of capital. As a result of the No.
10 conversion, we'll be exiting the volatile corrugated medium market by the 2021. And the expected efficiency of the converted machine will give the company the opportunity to rationalize some of the higher cost assets in our mill system. In a related announcement, we have made the difficult decision to permanently close our number three URB machine in Hartsville in our Trent Valley, Ontario, Canada paper mill due to slowing market conditions. We are working with the affected employees in Hartsville to transition them into other roles in the mill complex or provide retirement or other benefits. In Trenton, we're working with the local union to develop a closure agreement.
After this investment is completed, Sonoco's mill system will be in the top quartile of performance. And as illustrated on Slide 17, we'll have nearly a 20% cost advantage over the nearest supplier based on a third party analysis of the project. And this investment will also ensure the long term viability of our Hartsville paper mill complex. Finally, Project Horizon will also generate important environmental benefits, including electricity consumption in our U. S.
Mill systems by 16%, which will drive a 16% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, while total water used by our mills in the region will decline by 25%. As I mentioned earlier, we're starting to see the pandemic's impact weighing on certain of our served markets as we enter the second quarter. On Slide 18, we have put together a graphic which attempts to illustrate the impact of the pandemic entering the second quarter on our diverse platforms with green meaning it's generating a positive impact, yellow meaning it's neutral, and red meaning well, I guess you can get the picture. Specific to our business, we expect our consumer related businesses to continue performing well in the second quarter as food consumption trends should continue to be driven by stay at home consumers. In addition, we expect our paperboard operations in North America to be relatively steady as increased demand for paperboard serving the tissue and tile market should help offset declines of some of our industrial converted products businesses.
Unfortunately, tube scores and cones volume are expected to be negatively impacted around the world, although there are pockets of strength in certain markets such as plastic film. As we mentioned, we expect recycled fiber prices to continue to increase during the second quarter, likely reaching above $100 a ton by June, which should benefit our recycling operations but provide a significant price cost headwind to our paper based business during the quarter until we ultimately achieve recovery of those higher costs in the second half of the year. As a reminder, most of our paper tube and core contracts have quarterly material cost recovery mechanisms. In addition, we have announced a $50 a ton price increase for paperboard and a minimum of 8% increase for tubes and cores in North America to help us recover this higher inflation. Finally, our Thermostat temperature assured packaging business should continue to produce strong results as it is supplying coolers critical for virus testing and pharmaceutical transport.
However, we expect second quarter earnings in our Protective Solutions segment will be negatively impacted by lower demand in our molded tone and consumer fiber businesses, which serve the automotive and appliance markets. In closing, one of the strongest aspects of our company, culture and people is our ability to rally ourselves through a crisis of our more than one hundred and twenty year history. We have successfully navigated through floods, fires, hurricanes, financial market distortions and now one of the worst pandemics in generations. Snuggle is a financially strong company. We believe our diverse business mix will remain resilient during the expected pandemic driven recession and we will come out of this crisis as a much stronger company.
Now with that, operator, would you please review the Q and A procedures?
Speaker 0
Yes. Thank you. Our first question comes from George Staphos with Bank of America. You may proceed with your question. Question.
Speaker 4
Hi, everyone. Good morning. Howard, thanks to everyone at Sunoco for the efforts with I the had a question really on the cost controls. When did they go into place? And what do you expect to be able to generate from these cost reductions and productivity on an ongoing basis?
And relatedly, how volume dependent are they? And I had a couple of follow ons.
Speaker 2
Yes. Let me let Julie cover more detail. But as you look at Q1, really the cost controls, this is what we do. We've been looking at our overall cost for really we're always challenging ourselves. So a lot of what we're seeing in Q1 were activities that we put in place through second half of Q2 of last year.
As it relates to the go forward, we've got quite a bit of activity going on, and I'll just pass on to Julie and let her put a little more color on that.
Speaker 3
Yes, absolutely. Thanks, Howard. Thanks, George. Yes, I mean, I guess, I'd echo part of what Howard said. I mean, you think about our path over the past kind of year plus towards improving OPTADA margins, our focus on simplification, The business, really management down through literally the operations have been really focused on taking cost out of our organization in many ways.
I will say so you definitely see some of that pay off in the first quarter. But clearly, in March and really the March, when we really moved into a lot from an overhead perspective, by that, I office workers working remotely, obviously, a dramatic decrease in travel. Did accelerate some of that cost savings, albeit that was not the largest driver in the first quarter. So when we look at the second quarter, you obviously have several pieces of this. You've got the continued benefit from permanent cost takeout in our organization.
You've got and then you've got things that we, I guess, started doing at the end of the second quarter, less travel, obviously, working remotely. So you think about less costs around meetings that are even in house and that type of thing. And then we do have various other cost reduction actions that we are starting to tee up that are really more specific to coronavirus and our expected the challenges we're facing in the second quarter and then obviously TBD after that. So I guess it's kind of a long way of saying, I think we feel good about sustaining cost reduction that we have put in place. And then we are obviously, some of the things that are trending down now, like travel and that type of thing, obviously, will pick back up at appropriate times with business activity.
Speaker 4
Julie, so I appreciate how tough it is perhaps to quantify, and I appreciate the qualitative commentary. But is there any way to quantify, on a run rate basis as you sit here today what benefit you get from productivity, from incremental cost? Anything that would help us as analysts and investors figure out what kind of shock absorber you have the next few quarters? And if the answer is you can't really do that now, that's fine. But I just wanted to try again on that first question.
Speaker 3
Yes, absolutely. I think when we look at the second quarter and we have talked as a leadership team about actions that we will be expecting to take that are, call it, different from what we have done in the first quarter, it's in that probably $20 $25,000,000 expectation. So coming out of our overhead structure that are unique to the situation. And that is part of, again, what we've considered in this guidance is despite a net negative impact from volumes and the drop through to gross profit and obviously the pricecost headwinds specific to OCC, this is these additional cost reductions are part of our mitigating actions.
Speaker 4
Thank you for that. Two quickies, I'll put in one question and then turn it over just to be fair. Can you comment and maybe you did, my phone line had dropped for a portion of the call at the end, what kind of volume trends you're seeing early in 2Q? And ex pricing, what kind of price cost headwind or cost headwind are you seeing from OCC? Or maybe a better question is what kind of price cost are you banking on in 2Q with your pricing actions?
Thank you, guys. I'll turn it over.
Speaker 2
Yes. From a volume perspective, just so from a macro, the way we're looking at this, there's obviously, as you saw in the red, yellow, green chart, we've got some very favorable conditions in select markets. But also we've got negatives as it relates in the commentary around automotive, white goods, etcetera, and a bit of mix in the metal. Effectively, we're saying that it's pretty close to a wash as it relates possibly single digit type volume related impact in the quarter. And it really turns into a conversation around your second half of your question, which is the pricecost.
So we are seeing a very negative situation with the OCC spike that we saw and the timing of that spike being the very first week of the quarter. As you know, our recovery is typically in the beginning of each quarter. So we're going have to carry a bulk of that through the second quarter. And that is one of the largest the largest impact that we see as we go into this quarter.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Mark Wilde with Bank of Montreal. Proceed with your question.
Speaker 5
Good morning, Roger. Good morning, Howard and Julie.
Speaker 3
Good morning.
Speaker 2
Hey, Mark.
Speaker 5
Howard, I wonder just to start off, if you give us any sense of the type of volume we might expect in the industrial business in the second quarter? I think that's typically the most cyclical piece. And maybe just any reference to kind of what you saw in 02/2008, 02/2009?
Speaker 2
Yes. I'll tell you what, Mark. I've got, as you know, Roger Fuller here, and I think he can give you some pretty detailed color on that. What I will say is if we look at where we were in 02/2008 February, the mix of the businesses has changed. So from a macro perspective, and again, I'll let Roger get into more detail, we are not looking at a similar type trough as we saw back in 2008 and February.
But Roger, if you don't mind, just kind of
Speaker 6
Yes. Thank you, Howard. Mark, I'll just give a few examples here. Go back to February, February, industrial drop was about 17% from a volume standpoint in the depth of the recession. So if you look at The U.
S. In the second quarter, what we're modeling are low double digit type declines driven primarily by we see the global textile market off 30% to 40% in the quarter. Mark, as you know, printing and writing, all communications papers, we're saying are down 25% to 30%. There's 20 machines that we know of that are already down in the second quarter or plan to take downtime in the second quarter. So that's a significant drop off in The U.
S. On the other hand, we're saying film will continue to be strong in the second quarter, up about 3%. Brown papers containerboard, we're saying up slightly quarter over quarter. So you take the mix of all that into The U. S./Canada, we're again down low double digits.
Europe is better. Europe is in probably a dropping and we're saying in the 5% to 7% range. You'd see similar drops in the mature markets in Western Europe, but we're seeing offset and positives in Russia and Turkey and some of the other emerging markets. So that gives you a feel for the Tubing Core business in Europe. Our paper system is full as Howard said from the beginning and that's pretty much across Europe and The U.
S. We see softness in Asia, but it's primarily China related and it's just demand. We're simply just meeting the demand of our customer base. So we're running our mill in China when we need it. Indonesia is fairly solid.
So I think hopefully that gives you a feel for what you're looking for, Mark.
Speaker 5
That's perfect, Raj. I wondered, could you also give us a sense of kind of what the bounce back has been to date in China?
Speaker 6
Yes. I'd say we were down to we're probably now at, I'd say, on average of 60% capacity across our and this is industrial. If you look at consumer, we've been fine. But in industrial, I think we're running something like 60% capacity. At the lows, it was probably in the 30% range, Mark.
So again, we're just we're running we're not missing shipments. We're just running to the demand level that we have. So probably at lows of 30%, today about 60%.
Speaker 5
Okay. And then finally, Julie, just any thoughts on those year end 2020 targets that you laid out there? I mean, I think in this environment, we all understand that getting pushed back. But can you talk with us about kind of a time line or whether you've backed away from those targets that you laid out a few years ago?
Speaker 3
Mark, are you talking about the 16%?
Speaker 5
Exactly.
Speaker 3
Yes. I think we've mentioned that we don't I guess we don't have those as our explicit targets really publicly anymore, although we are continuing to focus on absolutely driving our profitability. And obviously, coronavirus provides a unique challenge to the business. That's our immediate focus is keeping people safe, running our businesses, meeting our customers' needs, managing our liquidity. But I think and Howard can echo this, not as much maybe the 2020, but definitely moving beyond that, we remain committed to 16% or higher OIBDA margins.
So we won't take our eye off the ball when it comes to increasing our profitability. Again, the sales target that was out there for $6,000,000,000 again, it's I think putting a time line on that is not appropriate, especially now, clearly depends on our activity in the M and A part of our world. And so I think, again, it's just a matter of over time, well definitely outside of 2020, how are we tracking towards growing the top line as well. Okay.
Speaker 2
That's well said. I'll turn it over. Okay.
Speaker 0
Thank you. And our next question comes from Adam Josephson with KeyBanc. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 7
Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I hope you are all well and healthy.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Adam. We are.
Speaker 7
Good, good. Roger, just one clarification on what Mark was asking about. So I think you said you're expected to be down low double in industrial in The U. S. In 2Q, but that your paper system is full.
So can you just help me just square those two comments?
Speaker 2
Yes. The low double digits in
Speaker 6
the Tubing Core side of the business, Adam, if you look at our paper system, our trade sales are holding up fairly well. Howard mentioned earlier, tissue and tile still strong from the first quarter. You look at flooring, so home improvement type projects seem to be strong. Edge board market seems to be strong. We're topping it off with pulp.
So we're balancing out any downturn in Tubing Core with trade sales. And so far, we think that will hold up through the quarter, Adam?
Speaker 7
Yes. Thanks for clarifying. And just one more for you. On OCC, so I think Howard mentioned you expect it to be higher than 100 by June. This is all driven by COVID or so it seems, both the demand and the falling generation.
Do you expect how are you thinking about conditions returning to normal, whatever normal might be at this point? Do you think that after June, the economy is going to start to get back to something resembling normal, collections will improve and then paper demand will fall off a bit after the panic buying? Or how are you thinking about the progression of OCC later in
Speaker 2
it's back to that old crystal ball, isn't it, Alan? So as we we really don't know what to think about Q3, Q4. That's why our focus has been really trying to give you guys as best color as we can on Q2. And the rest remains to be seen at this point in time. But we do think that the conditions are such that, that we will see the inflation that we noted or I noted in the opening comments, and we'll just have to see how that plays out as this whole pandemic issue plays out.
Speaker 7
Sure, Howard. And just on the consumer business, can you just talk about what you saw in March from the panic buying, what you're seeing in April, presumably your customers are trying to replenish their inventory. Just give us a feel for what you saw in March, if you're able to fulfill all those orders? What about April? And then how you see it trending into May and June?
Speaker 2
Yes. Is there an echo going on here? Really, it started for us obviously here in The U. S. And for the most part in Europe too towards the March.
Yes, we saw relatively strong demand particularly on the food side of the business. Have we been able to fulfill the orders? Yes, not an issue for us. It really boils down, frankly, to a lot of our customers not having the capacity to fill the demand that they're seeing. So it's really started mid March.
It has continued to pick up, and we expect it to maintain itself through the quarter. And frankly, as we and then this is just my philosophy on things, as we do hopefully start coming out of this, say, the third quarter or so, we feel like it's going to take some time before the at home consumption is going to really drop back to norm. It's going to take time for people to get back comfortable to go out en masse into the restaurants, etcetera. So in a way, we're looking at it, or I'm looking at it, that we'll see this thing peak at some point and then a relatively, hopefully, soft decline back to normal. And at the same time, hopefully, the industrial side will be picking up on a relative scale to that as well.
The other thing I'd say is if you look at the mix of our consumer products, we do participate more in the snack type categories, the frozen sectors, frozen being the trays and mills for limited capacity, plus very delicious frozen lasagnas, things like that. We don't feel like that the products that we're participating in on the consumer side are necessarily will be ones where folks will wake up and say, Oh my God, look, we've got so many stacked chips in our cupboard because we just didn't consume them during the stay at home. So we feel like long way of saying, it's going to be strong through the quarter, and I'm optimistic that it will carry on at some scale for some time to come.
Speaker 7
Howard, last question. Just on the perimeter of store. Obviously, it's been it was a push for the company to get to the perimeter of the store as people were gravitating toward fresh food and away from center of the store packaged food. And now we've seen seemingly a reversal of that. What how is this crisis affecting the perimeter of the store business for you both in California and Florida?
Speaker 6
Adam, this is Roger. It held up fine in the first quarter. We're actually some of our customers are struggling to get the farmers are struggling to get workers to pick the crops. But our egg business was very strong in the first quarter. We're seeing high single digit growth as we head into the second quarter in the egg business.
Speaker 2
The berry season was a
Speaker 6
little bit late, the strawberry season in both the East Coast and the West Coast, but we're seeing that pick up now. So all in all, was from a demand standpoint fine in the first quarter. We talked last time about the new leadership team we have in place from an execution standpoint. Our execution is improving. On the West Coast, which is the former Peninsula company where we had the issues, I'll remind you, we spent almost $5,000,000 in manufacturing improvements, capital improvements.
We saw those kick in month to month throughout the quarter. We saw improvement in our manufacturing productivity in that business. So we're pretty optimistic going into the second quarter that it will hold up in the, let's call it, mid single digit growth. So all in all, not bad.
Speaker 7
Thanks so much, Roger. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 8
Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I mean, you've covered some of this, Howard, but just specific to the second quarter, I mean, understanding you don't have a lot of visibility beyond that. But for 2Q specifically, relative to the guidance you've given,
Speaker 5
let's
Speaker 8
say $0.78 at the midpoint, what are you embedding in terms of the aggregate segment volumes across each of the cores? And then second, can you just give us a breakdown, Julie, in terms of how you get from $0.95 from a year ago to the $0.78 at the midpoint? How much of a headwind is from OCC? Yes.
Speaker 3
Howard, do you want to talk about the volume and then
Speaker 2
I'll Sure. Talk about if I'm looking at this correctly. On the consumer side, looking at roughly 4% or so.
Speaker 3
Low single digits.
Speaker 2
Let's see what So in total and consumer, low single digits on the industrial, again, negative side, low single. DMP on the low double digit side, on the negative side. And protective, where I spoke to the automotive and the white goods sector, where we're seeing the biggest hit, and that's in the high single digits negative.
Speaker 8
Great. And then LCD
Speaker 3
Yes. I guess just to add some a little more color, Ghansham, to your question about $0.95 to the midpoint this year of our guidance of $0.78 I guess maybe first to start with some nonoperational items that I mentioned. The stronger dollar headwind, we're estimating. Of course, we don't know where rates are going to go in the second quarter. But if you assume kind of the continued U.
S. Dollar strength like we had in March, that's roughly $04 to $05 of a headwind to EPS versus where we where rates were last second quarter. I mentioned interest expense. It's very minor, maybe $01 or so of that. So all in, call it, dollars $0.05 ish of nonoperational negative items, dollars $0.01 9 to $0.20 in the second quarter.
And then to all this impact on our portfolio, as Howard and Roger have been commenting on and I said in my comments, from an EPS perspective, we are expecting that net net to be slightly negative year over year, maybe another just $05 or so based on what we're estimating. Again, it's hard to have the perfect crystal ball about what's coming our way in the second quarter, but we've kind of put our best foot forward here. From a pricecost perspective, Howard, we've again teed up that this is fairly significant. I think best guess at this point is kind of a $00 to $0.15 headwind to EPS. Again, we do expect OCC to trend up, but we are working on the top line, how much of the top line offset there.
But again, we are, I guess, a pricecost perspective on earnings, we're in one of those quarters where we're battling kind of the uptrend, right, of cost. And so we're going to be on the, call it, negative side of that like we are in certain other quarters. On the positive side, again, year over year, we've got a few cents coming in from Correnso and Tech year over year, so we can't forget about that positive impact. And then really, productivity, cost reductions, other inflation, we're kind of just netting that all, quite frankly, to zero because it's hard to know exactly how all that's really going to play out. That should, if you add all that up, hopefully, get you to $0.78
Speaker 6
Yes.
Speaker 2
I think it's back to the opening comments that if you look at the mix of the businesses, we feel really good about how the portfolio balances itself out. This thing really is the quarter is really shaping up to be a price cost conversation around recovery of the OCC, which we will. And that really is the bottom line, the big picture of what we're seeing.
Speaker 8
Okay. Thanks for all the detail. And then for my second question, I mean, the consumer side, just given the acceleration in volumes you're seeing, should we expect any sort of growing pains as you ramp up production, higher cost to serve customers, etcetera, especially with this period of employee absenteeism or whatever you might be seeing from a logistics standpoint? How should we think about that particular dynamic?
Speaker 2
I'll let Roger comment in more detail. But at this point, no. It seems to be more of an issue on our customer side. We do have pockets. Particularly not necessarily well on the pharma side of it with tech.
We're making, what, Roger, 1,000,000,000 plus annually of covers for thermometers. We could make $2,000,000,000 So yes, we're rushing hard to increase that type of capacity. But in total, no, we're not really seeing an issue with us being able to supply the market and the market demands. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 6
I don't think you'll see any of that, Ghansham. We've got strong protocols in place across the global platform. The operations team has done an excellent job of keeping people safe and keeping our customers supplied. So manufacturing productivity in the first quarter was strong as it's been in some time. So we've got some good momentum there.
So I don't think you'll see any significant cost escalation due to the virus.
Speaker 8
Okay. Thanks so much. Stay safe.
Speaker 2
Thanks. Thank you.
Speaker 0
You. Our next question comes from Gabe Hajde with Wells Fargo. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 2
Good morning, everyone.
Speaker 5
Good morning.
Speaker 9
Thanks for
Speaker 8
all the details.
Speaker 10
I was hoping to kind of revisit Slide nine, and I apologize if you covered this, Julie. My phone cut off as well. But on the EBIT bridge, I'm seeing the unfavorable variance of about $11,000,000 you talked about in the price cost. And I appreciate some of that was coming from labor inflation. But I would have thought that even some of the rise in OCC would have hit that happened in February and March, would have hit paper industrial converted, but yet profit was better than last year and certainly better than what our model was looking for.
So I'm curious if there's anything unique to that segment on the SG and A side that happened?
Speaker 3
Yes. Yes. So and I think we had maybe a couple of questions there. So definitely, in industrial, they did have a they were maybe not quite half of that $11,000,000 negative price cost. And you're right, that was just all these moving pieces, but OCC going up, inflation catching up on sales price, that type of thing.
Although like energy and freight are deflation in the quarter slightly. So various moving pieces in this total price, total cost category. But definitely, industrial was net negative. Again, call it, it could have been 40% or so of the total. But yes, productivity, as I've mentioned throughout my comments, was very strong.
And this is driven this is procurement, this is manufacturing, and this is fixed cost productivity. So the Industrial segment did have very, very strong results in this area. And so you take some negative pricecosts, a little bit of negative volume, very strong productivity, all those kind of probably netted to about zero in the segment. You add in strong results from Correnso, and well, kind of gets you the pretty close to the segment improved performance year over year in the first quarter.
Speaker 2
Yes. When we were coming in into Q1 with the initial inflation we saw on OCC, we felt like we were going to be able to balance that out, as we said at that time, with productivity, with the investments that we've made in our mill network really over the last three years. And as Julie said, Corenso has turned out to be a really, really good asset for us. And the team has done an excellent job in balancing the supply chain, if you will, to take advantage of that low cost machine.
Speaker 10
Okay. And then maybe a little bit on Project Horizon. I'm curious if there's some sort of historical precedent that you've seen for, I guess, in the marketplace for converting containerboard machines to URB. This is not something necessarily that I've heard a whole lot about.
Speaker 2
Yes. First off, yes. Didn't necessarily stimulate why we did it. Then once we acquired Corenso, it gave us wow. That's exactly what they had done multiple years ago.
They've taken a I don't know I'm not certain if it was containerboard. I think it may have been, but then converting it over to a world class URB. So it certainly gave us the footprint and the model and the confidence. Now in North America, we're pretty much a cylinder based network. However, if you go over to Europe, we're more forward near.
The Cranzo machine is forward near. It also gave us the as is number 10, which gave us the confidence as we very early on with the Crinzo machine started integrating that board in our tube and core buildups, finding exactly how good the performance could be, just gave us all the confidence that yes, number one, we can do this conversion and we can do it quite effectively. We've got a footprint for it. And once we do the conversion, the materials coming off the machine are going to be very consistent with the performance of what we've been seeing off of our cylinder network for all these many, many years.
Speaker 10
Great. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Good luck, guys.
Speaker 8
You. Thank
Speaker 0
you. Next question comes from Demi Jones with Deutsche Bank. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 9
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus on Display and Packaging, you know, the smaller segment for you, but it seems to me that, you know, there could be some risk there. If you stress test this business, what percentage of it do you think is more resilient? And what might kind of suffer in this the current consumer environment that we're in, especially if they were to continue on?
Speaker 6
Yes. This is Roger. I think Howard mentioned we're estimating the second quarter down low double digits. Promotionals obviously promotional items obviously are down. So we're seeing that.
Some of the even some of the holiday promotional items, we're already starting to get some word that those will be reduced for this year, I think, for obvious reasons. This is one of the businesses that Julie referenced where we've been very aggressive and very early came out with strong cost control, took out a significant amount of S and A out of that business in the fourth quarter and the first quarter of this year. We saw that pay off in the first quarter to a small degree, but that will hit more for the balance of the year. Also in that segment is our Alley business, blister card business. Also we're seeing some headwinds as you would expect for those types of products, but same story, very aggressive in the first quarter taking cost out, substantial cost out.
So we're preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. But as far as volumes for the second quarter, it's at low double digits and we're focusing on controlling cost and driving it as hard as we can. It all depends on how the virus plays out for the holiday promotionals. That could turn the other way, but again, we're preparing for the worst.
Speaker 9
Okay. If I could ask a bit more about OCC, I'm not asking you to predict the price here. But could you just give a bit more granular on the ebbs and flows of collection right now? Or are we seeing an improvement? Obviously, there was a big impact from COVID-nineteen.
And just kind of give us a bit more detail about what the problems are.
Speaker 2
Yes. Debbie, no, I'd say we're not seeing much improvement at this point in time. Generation is low to the point we've actually pulled back ourselves in terms of export to make sure we've got enough material to manage our own network here. So at this point in time, we do not see change. And therefore, as we opened up with, we expect to see further pressure on price as we head deeper in the quarter.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Chercover with D. A. Davidson. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 11
Thanks everyone. So late in the call that I'm largely good. But this COVID crisis seems like the blackest of black swans. So compared to 02/2008, you know, you have time to even prepare? You had a long detonator fuse in 02/2008.
And what lessons are you applying in the current environment?
Speaker 2
One of the things we did early is go back to 02/2008, 2009 as we talk about our liquidity, obviously our cash balance, the impact it had on various sectors. And as we modeled out into Q2, we tried to look at what do we see in August by market, by segment and then carry that over to we're a different company today from a mix perspective. And what do we see during then, carry it over to now, using that as some type of gauge, if you will, to say how bad could this get? Could it get as bad as 'eight, 'nine? Could it get worse?
So we really used it from that perspective to help us build our models, which in turn were probably more faced on the liquidity side of things and making sure that we're comfortable as we enter this situation. But I don't know if I'm answering your question, but that is the one exercise that we certainly did.
Speaker 11
Okay. Well, it sounds like there were a few lessons learned. And then just a granular one on display packaging. I know that your entire cost cutting initiatives have played into the better performance. But you also mentioned that the exit of the PAC Center was part of the reasons the performance for productivity was better.
So was that just exiting a money losing business?
Speaker 3
Yes. This is Julie. Just to clarify, the parts of the D and P business, alloyed and I think to some degree, the display business itself, they still had sales to certain customers kind of indirectly related to the PAC Center. And so ultimately, we ended up losing certain contracts, as we said, indirectly related to exiting the PAC Center. So it's kind of like a follow on indirect impact that's negatively been a part of that business' volume since kind of like early really probably to mid last year.
Speaker 11
Okay. So that's why a 2018 event still resonates in 2020. Stay safe, everyone.
Speaker 8
Yes. Thanks.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Ryan Maguire with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 12
Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just to follow-up on some earlier questions around the OCC move and recovering that. And Howard, I think you sounded very optimistic about being able to recover that over time. I guess the question really just comes back to how you see pricing in the industry.
I know your predecessor maybe not you specifically but your predecessor and others as OCC prices were going down sort of talked about this being a supply demand driven market with pricing as opposed to a cost driven market. It seems to be now we're implying a little bit more of this is going to be driven by cost. But just wondering how you see the supply demand part of it? And can that be tight enough to get the cost recovery through even in the midst of what's going to be a pretty bad recession here?
Speaker 2
Yes. I guess there's a couple of sides to that. First off, contractually, we will get the cost recovery at the end of the quarter. We, of course, put out a general market. But our mills, as Roger has indicated, are running relatively full.
As you'll know, we announced earlier in the week that we are shutting down two mills. And we say, hey, that's because of market conditions. It is because of market conditions. But let me remind you that I guess over three years ago, we announced the project, dollars 64,000,000, where we were going to invest into our best mills. So we actually increased the entire output by Sonoco through those investments.
Now the plan all along had been to take out higher cost assets when we completed that project. 2018 proved to be a remarkable year as it related to demand. So we delayed taking those assets out. And that really ran into twenty nineteen first half. So the decision that of taking out capacity at this point in time really relates to the fact that we are that much more efficient in creating that many more tons through this capital investment we announced three years ago.
And we're just pulling the trigger on it. It's somewhat coincidental to the fact that now we've seen an OCC surge and we need recovery. So again, a long way of saying we're full. We've got very efficient assets outstripping and we're taking out the higher cost assets and we will recover the OCC as we've said.
Speaker 12
And just a couple of questions on the Project Horizon. I guess one just from a timing point of view, it seems like you're taking a lot of other actions to shore up the balance sheet, tapping the liquidity, cutting back on CapEx, deferring the pension contribution. So why is now the right time to be outlined? Know it's not huge dollar amounts, but if it's an extra $20,000,000 of CapEx and $80,000,000 or so all in, just why not maybe wait until we're out at the other end of all this to make that kind of an investment? And I don't know if you said or you can say, but about how many tons how many thousand tons of URB capacity do you think is coming out between the number three machine and Trent Valley?
Speaker 2
Well, let me start with your last question. Effectively, 35,000 tons. Because if you recall, dating back multiple quarters, we've said that we have taken out, I think, what, 50,000 or 60,000 tons. That was Trent Valley selling pulp into China. So this move really has only taken about incremental quarter to quarter type 35,000.
Why are we doing Project Horizon? Because we wish we had done it three years ago. Frankly, that's the way I feel about it. But I think it's a reflection on the fact that we have a again, we have a very strong balance sheet. We can afford to do this.
It's a three phase type investment, somewhere around between 15,000,000 and $20,000,000 this year with some benefit implications mid next year from a stock prep perspective. But as I think we opened up with in the commentary, opening commentary is this is a time when you have strength in your balance sheet that you can take advantage of some opportunities that when this thing comes and it will come to an end, we're going to be a much stronger company because of that. So it's not only are we going to be making the appropriate strategic capital investments as long as things stay as we see them From a market perspective, we'll be looking at any potential tack ons, bolt ons, etcetera, that makes really, really great strategic sense once we come out of this crisis. So that's why we're doing it. We're hoping that in two years from now, we'll of course I say of course, but we hope we'll be out of this and we'll be that much stronger.
Speaker 12
Okay. Just last one for me. Know coming into the year, there were a lot of new product introductions to capitalize on the sustainability trend and you guys had some test launches with some of your brand owners and customers. Just given the environment and the climate that we're in, are you seeing any of the your customers look to maybe rethink or delay some of those launches? Maybe they're just focused on other things trying to make sure they can get the shelf stock at the supermarkets or maybe they're just worried consumers may not want to go for new concepts in a time where there's so much uncertainty.
Any kind of change on those plans?
Speaker 6
Brian, it's Roger. I would call it more of a delay. I mean obviously sustainability is going to be critical. It is critical. It will be critical again in the future.
We are seeing some slowdown and delay in some of people that were thinking about potential conversions. Obviously, rigid plastics packaging in today's environment with the virus, especially transparent is very popular. So that's a good thing for many parts of our business. We have some major projects we're working on with some of our large customers for growth going forward that are continuing. It's tougher in today's environment, but it's continuing.
So I would just characterize it as a delay at this point, nothing more than that.
Speaker 2
Yes. I think one thing I'd add to that is that we've said it multiple times, our customers are trying to figure out how to get their outputs up. So we're actually seeing we're limiting the number of SKUs they want to put out. They're just trying to pump out as much volume as they can. It's not just with us.
It's across the entire sector.
Speaker 12
Okay. That makes sense. Thanks and yes, stay safe everyone. Thanks.
Speaker 3
Thanks. Thank you.
Speaker 0
You. Our next question comes from George Staphos with Bank of America. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 4
Hi guys. Thanks for taking the follow on late. I have two questions. One was just to piggyback on what Brian had teed up. I suppose at this juncture if your customers are delaying sustainability, it's not based yet on any data they have on consumer perception.
I don't know if you have any commentary on that. My guess would be there can't be because it's been such a recent event in terms of what's been happening with COVID, but wanted your thoughts there. And then you might have mentioned this earlier, again, phone had cut out. On the $45,000,000 reduction in CapEx, the gross number, if you will, can you quantify or bucket where those CapEx reductions occurred?
Speaker 2
So George, on the delay in sustainability, first off, to be clear, we are very, very engaged and active with customers in terms of projects. Just the commercialization there is, I think, going to be delayed. But we are continuing to work on select projects in that regard. The 45,000,000 in CapEx, I think, is really across the business. We're still focused on some pretty critical growth productivity projects.
But Roger and his team, we've done this before. We look and say, hey, what can wait for another day? And that's really across the entire company.
Speaker 4
So Howard, there was no specific area that got a little bit more weight in terms of reduction. Is that fair?
Speaker 2
That is fair.
Speaker 4
All right, guys. Thanks very much. Be well.
Speaker 5
Thanks again, George.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Josephson with KeyBanc. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 7
Thanks everyone for taking my follow-up. Julie, just on pension, you were in hindsight smart enough to make that couple of $100,000,000 contribution a year or two back and then you were going to top it off with this 150,000,000 that you've deferred to next year. Can you just talk about how likely you are to make it next year? And then relatedly, the to the extent you've mark to market your assets and liabilities, what the funded status is looking like with just the steep drop in discount rates and the smaller drop in asset prices?
Speaker 3
Yes, sure, Adam. And I will tell you, we are grateful amongst ourselves and with our Board that we all made this decision to last year fund up to about 95% on a PBO basis, right, which is the normal accounting basis. And Shift, we're really at about 93% invested in fixed income, and that's of $1,400,000,000 of pension plan assets. So it's pretty meaningful. And very specifically with those investments, they are liability matched.
And so we work really closely and monitor this monthly, even before this crisis, right, with our actuary and our investment managers to make sure that the assets and the liabilities are moving in sync. So we continue to estimate that on a PBO basis, we're still around 95% funded. And we remain very committed to the ultimate termination process. So we are just quite frankly, there are certain parts of the time line we control and certain parts that we don't control. We weren't even sure it was going to be wrapping up this year anyway, but we are taking some actions to specifically push it into 2021.
But we do remain committed to ultimately fitting in the final amount and annuitizing and removing the liability from our balance sheet.
Speaker 6
Thanks, Julie.
Speaker 3
Yes, of course. Thanks.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from Dave Hajde with Wells Fargo. You may proceed with your question.
Speaker 10
Thank you guys for taking the follow-up. I'll try to make it brief. I was curious if you've seen any change in challenger brands versus kind of the bellwether brands that we're accustomed to seeing in the center house or grocery store. I'm just curious if they're able to deeper pockets and more resources, whether it's supply chain or otherwise, to ensure that their products are, in fact, on the shelves.
Speaker 2
Gabe, you were a little soft on the middle part of that. Could you repeat that again? Change in Just
Speaker 10
any change from Challenger brands to the bellwether large staples that we're accustomed to seeing in the center aisles of the grocery store.
Speaker 2
I don't think we've seen that at all. All I can say is that our customers in not only center of the aisle, but perimeter as well as in the frozen side are just pushing out all they can. So is there a slowdown as it relates to the emerging brands? I really can't speak to that. It's just a heavy demand period right now.
I would suspect maybe that would be the case, but certainly not impactful certainly not impactful to us. Thanks again.
Speaker 0
Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Roger Schrum for any further remarks.
Speaker 1
Thank you again, Josh. And again, let me thank each of you for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in the company.
Speaker 2
And as always, if you have
Speaker 1
any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us. Thank you again.