Sphere Entertainment - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Q1 2025 revenue was $227.9M, up 93% YoY, but below Wall Street consensus; diluted EPS was -$2.95 versus prior-year +$1.89, reflecting depreciation and SG&A tied to scaling Sphere and MSG Networks professional fees.
• Sphere segment drove $127.1M revenue led by The Sphere Experience ($71.5M, 207 shows), while MSG Networks fell 9% to $100.8M on ~13% subscriber declines; consolidated AOI improved sharply to -$10.2M from -$57.9M YoY.
• Management announced a franchise model expansion with DCT Abu Dhabi (construction fully funded by DCT Abu Dhabi; Sphere receives franchise initiation fee and ongoing licensing/service fees), and new partnerships with Verizon and Ticketmaster—key catalysts for medium-term growth optionality.
• MSG Networks’ term loan matured Oct 11; a lender forbearance was extended through Nov 26 as a workout continues, a notable overhang to monitor.
• Near-term stock narrative hinges on: Abu Dhabi validation of the franchise model, “side-by-side” day utilization to lift revenue, and Exosphere monetization trajectory; the quarter’s miss versus consensus and MSG Networks refinancing are balancing factors.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Abu Dhabi franchise agreement advances global network strategy with DCT Abu Dhabi fully funding construction; Sphere earns a franchise initiation fee and ongoing IP/licensing/services fees post opening. “The vision for Sphere has always included a global network of venues… Abu Dhabi… is a significant milestone” — Jim Dolan.
• Sphere content and event mix performed: Sphere Experience revenue $71.5M across 207 shows; UFC 306 became the highest single grossing event; Eagles residency continued with extensions.
• Non-GAAP profitability trend improved: consolidated AOI loss narrowed to -$10.2M from -$57.9M YoY, driven by Sphere revenue scale despite higher direct and SG&A costs; Sphere AOI improved to -$26.3M from -$83.1M YoY.

What Went Wrong

• Consolidated revenue and EPS missed consensus; revenue of $227.9M trailed Wall Street estimates for the quarter and diluted EPS of -$2.95 reflected heavier D&A and SG&A as operations scale.
• MSG Networks pressure: revenue -9% YoY to $100.8M and AOI -36% YoY to $16.1M, driven by ~13% subscriber decline and higher professional fees related to lender workout process.
• Exosphere advertising softness and seasonality; management acknowledged structural and execution learning curve with the product, noting July–August is the softest period, with momentum building into September and year-end.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Sphere Entertainment Company first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Ari Danes of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to Sphere Entertainment's fiscal 2025 first quarter earnings conference call. Today's call will begin with our Executive Chairman and CEO, Jim Dolan, who will provide an update on the business. Robert Langer, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer, will then review our financial results for the period. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release, it is available in the investor section of our corporate website. Please take note of the following: today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements.

Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for a discussion of risks and uncertainties. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. On pages five and six of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated statements of operations and a reconciliation of operating income to adjusted operating income, or AOI, a non-GAAP financial measure. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jim.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone. Today we reported positive adjusted operating income in the March quarter for the Sphere segment. As we look ahead, we're confident that we can continue to drive growth this calendar year. We will get there by executing on the priorities we have previously outlined. These include hosting an array of concerts and other third-party events, optimizing the go-to-market strategy for the Exosphere and sponsorships, and driving operational and cost efficiencies across our business. We are also focused on creating a diverse slate of original content for this new medium. This past quarter, we welcomed over 500,000 guests to the Sphere experience, bringing total revenues for our original content category to over $500 million since its debut in October of 2023. These results continue to demonstrate the importance of original content to Sphere's business model.

We have multiple projects in development, and we remain on track to debut our next Sphere experience this year. We're also making progress in attracting a variety of music genres to the Sphere this year, including our first country and pop residencies. Due to strong consumer demand, we have routinely seen Axe ad shows at the venue. For example, both Dead & Company and The Eagles are on pace for over 40 performances at the Sphere, the equivalent of national arena tours. In addition, Sphere is gaining traction as a platform for brands. This includes corporate takeovers of the venue. For example, this past January, during CES, we hosted a keynote event from Delta Air Lines. We also recently announced new marketing partnerships with Pepsi and Google. Both of these agreements include significant exposure on the Exosphere, which has continued to see strong overall demand.

Turning to MSG Networks, last month, MSG Networks and its lenders agreed to reduce and restructure its existing debt obligations. The proposed transaction would also see the Knicks and Rangers reduce their local rights fees with MSG Networks. All parties have agreed to work together to support and finalize the transactions by June 27th. I would like to turn the call over to Robert.

Robert Langer (EVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

Thank you, Jim. Good morning, everyone. For the March quarter, we generated total company revenues of $280.6 million and adjusted operating income of $36 million. Our Sphere segment generated revenues of $157.5 million as compared to $170.4 million in the prior year period. The decrease was mainly driven by lower revenues from the Sphere experience, as well as lower revenues from advertising campaigns on the Exosphere. As a reminder, we benefited from the Super Bowl in Las Vegas in the prior year period, which included a record-setting advertising week for the Exosphere. These revenue decreases were partially offset by an increase in event-related revenues with 10 additional concerts in the quarter, as well as the impact of Delta's corporate takeover during this year's CES. Results for the quarter also include the impact of revenues related to our plans to bring the world's second Sphere to Abu Dhabi.

Adjusted operating income of $13.1 million was up modestly as compared to $12.9 million in the prior year period. This reflected the decrease in revenues and higher direct operating expenses, more than offset by lower SG&A expenses. The increase in direct operating expenses was primarily due to higher event-related expenses and venue operating costs, partially offset by lower expenses associated with the Sphere experience. SG&A expenses for the March quarter were $96.4 million, a decrease of $12.6 million year-over-year. This includes the impact of the company's focus on driving cost efficiencies this year. Turning to MSG Networks, the segment generated $123 million in revenues and $22.8 million in AOI in the March quarter. This compares to $151 million in revenue and $48.6 million in AOI in the prior year period.

The decreases in revenue and AOI mainly reflect the impact of the non-carriage period by Altice from January 1 through February 21, as well as lower distribution revenue driven by an approximately 11.5% decrease in subscribers. Turning to our balance sheet, as of the end of the quarter, we had approximately $465 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents, including approximately $110 million at MSG Networks. Our debt balance was approximately $1.34 billion at quarter end. This reflected $259 million in convertible debt and a $275 million credit facility related to Sphere in Las Vegas. It also included approximately $804 million under the MSG Networks term loan. As Jim discussed, MSG Networks and its lenders have reached a proposed amendment with respect to its outstanding debt. This proposed transaction would also result in amendments to the local rights agreements with the Knicks and the Rangers.

We'll continue to keep you updated as all parties work towards completing these proposed transactions by June 27. With that, we'll now open the call for questions.

Operator (participant)

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Brandon Ross with LightShed. Please go ahead.

Brandon Ross (Partner and Media and Technology Analyst)

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I thought one of the more interesting announcements in the quarter was your work with Google AI and creating computer models. I just wanted to hear a little bit more about that relationship. It made me wonder how useful AI could be more generally to Sphere, whether it's lowering creation costs or, I know, a big barrier for our businesses.

Robert Langer (EVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

I'll just come back to him when he can get a better connection.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Yeah, will do. Brandon, you're coming across very choppy. Do you want to try that one more time? If not, maybe we'll circle back to you later in the call.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from David Karnovsky with JPMorgan. David, please go ahead.

David Karnovsky (Senior Research Analyst)

Hi. Can you hear me? Jim, would be interested to hear a bit more on what you're observing for the tourism market in Vegas right now, just kind of given the macro. Has there been any notable change in visitation or spending worth calling out? For Sphere, do you have a sense of your original content or residencies, the percentage of guests coming from international markets, and any kind of makeshift there to date? Thank you.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

I can answer that. Let me answer the first one. Maybe you can give me that second one again. Look, Las Vegas has over 40 million visitors every year. So far, we've seen that international counts for a little over 20% of the guests to Sphere and then 10% for concerts. We really haven't seen any change, right? I think there's a little bit of chicken little going on in our economy with that, right? Maybe later on, we'll see some substantive reaction from the marketplace. Right now, we're really not seeing it. Even if we did, it doesn't account for that big of a difference, right? I think, in general, when it comes to concerts, demand exceeds the capacity. We have room to absorb any issues from that should they occur. What was the second part of your question?

David Karnovsky (Senior Research Analyst)

The second part was on international visitation, but the first part was just on forward demand generally.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Did I just answer that?

Robert Langer (EVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

Yes.

David Karnovsky (Senior Research Analyst)

Thank you.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Okay.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Thanks, David.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from Steven Laszczyk with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Stephen Laszczyk (VP)

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. Jim, would be interested if you could talk a little bit about the opportunity you see for the new Sphere experience shows, Oz, and From the Edge to drive higher revenues compared to what that business is run rating at today. Just curious, any early expectations on drivers like Show Count, Pricing, Sell Through? Would be curious in your thoughts there.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

I mean, the Postcards from Earth was our, what we call around here, our first pancake. Yes, we're expecting the second pancake to be better. Maybe we'll add some blueberries in. Yeah, no, I think both productions take better advantage of the medium, right? Are going to be more experiential, more impactful, and therefore a better product. Along with a better product, yes, comes probably higher ticket prices, etc. Yeah, we're expecting great things from both of those products. I think the answer is yes.

Stephen Laszczyk (VP)

Thanks for that. Maybe just on residencies, I'm not sure how much you can say at this point, but would be curious in an update on the opportunity to add concert residencies in 2025 above and beyond what you have today, and then any early look into the slate into 2026?

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

We try not to get ahead of the announcements, right? I'll give you an overall characterization. We still are in a great position here. We're in discussions with multiple artists. We have more demand from artists than we have availability of slots, which is good for us, but we're trying to accommodate everything. The other thing that's going on is that the artists who have been here are extending, right? Once they get used to playing the Sphere, right, for an artist, it's a pretty good situation. They don't have to travel. They don't have all the overhead costs that go along with that. They get similar kind of revenues that they do for when they mount a tour, but without a lot of the expenses and a lot of the headache.

Of course, probably most important is the experience that they're providing for their own fans, which is really over the top. I do not want to get ahead of ourselves in terms of announcements, but the pipeline is very full. I'll put it that way.

Stephen Laszczyk (VP)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from Peter Supino with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Peter Supino (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)

Good morning. Thanks. A question about your Sphere expansion around the world. Is it fair to assume that most of the conversations that you are having about future Spheres are with parties outside of the U.S.? If that's the case, has the broader geopolitical tension led to any change in sentiment with these parties, and specifically in Abu Dhabi? Thanks.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Sure. Yes, we're definitely talking worldwide about Sphere. We do have another initiative that I think is very important that we're undertaking this year. That is, we're right in the middle of designing a smaller Sphere, right, that would be deployable to markets inside and outside the U.S. The strategy there is to build faster, cheaper, have an ROI that not only justifies it, but makes hopefully investors enthusiastic. I'm enthusiastic. I expect that by the end of the year, we'll be talking about that new smaller Sphere product as another way of expanding the business, as well as continuing to build Spheres like we are in Abu Dhabi and in other markets.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Thanks, Peter. Operator will take the next caller.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from Peter Henderson with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Peter Henderson (Director of Investment Banking)

Good morning. Thank you for taking the questions. I have two. First, for Jim, when you recently entered into the transaction support agreement with lenders that's going to reduce the debt and local media rights agreements to fees for the Knicks and the Rangers, can you just discuss the long-term plan for MSGN and the potential for strategic transactions, including potentially an outright sale or merger with other RSNs? The second question is for Robert. Expenses for Sphere came in better than forecast in the quarter. Just wondering how you think about or how we should think about costs moving forward and the opportunity for you to take out more costs. Thank you.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

All right. I'll go first. You go second. All right. In regards to the networks, we're pursuing a new model, which is a bit of a hybrid between the old traditional linear distribution and the streaming distribution. That has not, I mean, this is something that's facing the entire content world, not just us. We have to learn how to make a real business out of that. The idea of partnering with other groups that are in the same business probably, I would say, is of interest to us. First, we're happy to get through the restructuring because under the old structure, there was no way that we could have pursued that business. Now having been through, now getting through that, and we're not through it till the end of June, we're going to focus on the new model.

We're going to look at the, yes, possibilities of strategic partnerships, all keeping an eye on what will the consumer really latch onto and accept as a place to come view all these great events. Robert, go ahead.

Robert Langer (EVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

Peter, on your question about cost, this year, we're really quite focused on driving profitable growth. One of the priorities here is to optimize our infrastructure. This includes, on the one hand, identifying areas for potential cost efficiencies, while on the other hand, we obviously want to maintain our structure which can deliver on our vision for a global network of Spheres over time, which offer a diverse and kind of different immersive and exciting set of experiences to our guests. Heading into this year, we identified a number of areas where we were able to reduce our SG&A cost, such as corporate and other support functions, and that's what you see reflected in our Q1 results.

As we are only in our second full year of operations, we'll obviously continuously look for other efficiencies where it makes sense for us, but likely we'll also find new opportunities for growth and reinvestment as well.

Peter Henderson (Director of Investment Banking)

Thank you.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Another question?

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from Brandon Ross with LightShed. Brandon, please go ahead.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Welcome back, Brandon.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

You on, Brandon?

Operator (participant)

Brandon Ross, your line is open.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

I think Brandon must be in Boston. I heard all their Wi-Fi and connectivity went down last night.

Robert Langer (EVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

All right.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Sorry, Brandon. Wait, wait, wait. In anticipation of Brandon's question, I'd like to just talk about something. That is really the entire business. When you all look at this business and when you invest in it, it is not the venue business. In fact, we built this business on a disruptive model that utilizes the venue 365 days a year, right, and even has multiple events during a day. Key to the concerts, the concerts would not be as profitable as original content, right, if on a concert day, we only did the concert, right? With the Eagles, right, and with the Dead, we are running two shows, two original content shows on the same day as the concert. That makes for a very profitable day.

When you look at the company and its development, when I look at the company and its development, it's all about growth, right? It's all about our ability to take what we see as a great product and then expand it out across the globe. Do not expect us, right, for instance, in questions about how we use our capital, right, it's going to primarily be towards growth, right, so that we can make the business bigger and reach the goals that we have for it versus necessarily returning capital to shareholders, right, etc. I take a look at this new project of building a smaller Sphere, and there's a real, I think, real opportunity. There's tremendous amounts of opportunity inside of this business, inside of this medium.

We'd be foolish to sit there and say, "Okay, we're good here," and call it a day. When you look at the company, that's how I think you should look at it. That's how I look at it.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Operator, is there any other analysts in the queue?

Operator (participant)

Yes. Your final question comes from David Joyce of Seaport Research Partners. David, please go ahead.

David Joyce (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thank you. I wanted to ask about the Exosphere and sponsorship. Could you please update us on the go-to-market strategy and your outlook there? Any further color on the sponsorship activations you're seeing or expecting, that would all be helpful. Thank you.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

I think Jen Koester, our COO, is on the call. Are you on the call, Jen?

Jen Koester (COO)

Sure am, Jim.

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

Okay.

Jen Koester (COO)

Can you hear me?

Jim Dolan (Executive Chairman and CEO)

You ready to answer this question?

Jen Koester (COO)

Sure. Thanks, David. As Jim mentioned earlier in his opening remarks, we have been taking a fresh look at our go-to-market strategy. That includes a number of focus areas. We have been evaluating changes to our packaging and pricing, establishing and expanding our relationships with our media agencies, and really thinking about more targeted efforts related to the convention and conferences market in Vegas. I am pleased to say we are making progress in all of these areas. First, when we start with pricing and packaging, we are introducing new offerings. These offerings are really aimed at better maximizing value for our advertisers. We have new features like 15-second bumpers or 60-second ad spots instead of the previous 90-second ones we were using. That is going to allow for more frequent exposure and delivery across our social media platforms, which is highly advantageous to our advertisers.

We are also making progress when it comes to media agencies, and we'll have more to announce in the coming months, but looking to formalize those relationships so that we really can lock in those upfront Exosphere ad buys so that we can create that recurring business model. The focus on convention and conference market, we are really seeing that resonating with our brands. You saw that in this past quarter results, and that reflected advertising buys during CES as well as the Adobe Summit. Finally, when we think about sponsorships, we really remain focused on building that because, again, it's this recurring book of business. As Jim mentioned earlier, we've announced multi-year partnerships already this year with major brands like Google and Pepsi. We are making progress with brands, and I really expect to have more to share in the coming months. Thanks for the question.

David Joyce (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator (participant)

That will conclude our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Ari Danes for closing remarks.

Ari Danes (SVP of Investor Relations)

Thank you all for joining us. We look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Have a good day.

Operator (participant)

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.