Stantec - Earnings Call - Q3 2025
November 14, 2025
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Welcome to Stantec's third quarter 2025 results webcasting conference call. Leading the call today are Gord Johnston, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Vito Culmone, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Stantec invites those dialing in to view the slide presentation, which is available in the investors section at stantec.com. Today's call is also webcast. Please be advised that if you have dialed in while also viewing the webcast, you should mute your computer as there is a delay between the call and the webcast. All information provided during the conference call is subject to the forward-looking statement qualifications set out on slide two detailed in Stantec's management discussion and analysis and incorporated in full for the purposes of today's call. Unless otherwise noted, dollar amounts discussed in today's call are expressed in Canadian dollars and are generally rounded. With that, I'll turn the call over to Gord Johnston.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm pleased to announce that Stantec delivered robust performance in the third quarter, generating organic growth across all our regions and business operating units. Global trends across water, transportation, energy transition, and mission-critical sectors continue to drive strong demand for our services, and our diversification across sectors and geographies creates resilience within our operations. Net revenue grew to CAD 1.7 billion in the third quarter, an increase of almost 12% compared to Q3 of last year, driven by organic and acquisition growth, each over 5%. Most notably, our water business delivered almost 13% organic growth, and energy and resources delivered nearly 10%. We grew adjusted EBITDA by close to 18% year over year, with a record margin of 19%. We also delivered adjusted EPS growth of 17.7% compared to Q3 2024.
Looking at our results in each of our geographies, in the U.S., net revenue increased over 14% in the third quarter, which was driven by 4.6% organic growth and almost 9% acquisition growth. In our buildings business, net revenue increased by more than 40% in Q3 and over 20% year-to-date, driven by our acquisition of Page and continued organic growth. The integration of Page is going very well, and already we're seeing many revenue synergies from the acquisition. We expect to have completed the financial integration into our systems by year-end. Private and public sector investments, particularly in mission-critical, science and technology, and civic supported growth in buildings. Organic growth was also driven by our water and environmental services businesses. Large public sector water supply and wastewater treatment projects contributed to double-digit growth in water.
In energy transition, mining and infrastructure sectors, as well as the continued work for a large utility provider, supported growth in environmental services. In Canada, net revenue grew 7.6% in the quarter, driven completely by organic growth. We delivered double-digit growth in our water and energy and resources businesses and high single-digit growth in infrastructure. The continued momentum on major wastewater projects contributed to over 20% organic growth in water. Continued work on major industrial process projects also drove double-digit organic growth in energy and resources. Solid growth in infrastructure was supported by land development projects in Alberta, airport sector projects in Quebec, as well as transit and rail projects and bridge sector work in eastern Canada. Public sector investment drove growth in buildings, primarily in our health care and civic markets.
Finally, our global business delivered net revenue growth of almost 11% in the third quarter, achieving 5.5% organic and 2.8% acquisition growth, along with positive foreign exchange impacts. Our industry-leading water business continued to deliver consecutive double-digit organic growth through long-term framework agreements and public sector investment in water infrastructure across the U.K., Australia, and New Zealand. The ramp-up of new projects in Chile and Peru drove double-digit organic growth in energy and resources as the growing need for energy transition solutions continues to drive demand in mining for copper. We also achieved double-digit organic growth in our German infrastructure business due to continued momentum on a major electrical transmission project and increased volume on transit and rail projects. Now I'll turn the call over to Vito to review our third quarter financial results in more detail.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Thank you, Gord, and good morning, everyone. We are very pleased with Stantec's third quarter financial results, which demonstrate the continued momentum of our business and the resilience of our operating model. Robust demand for our services, combined with favorable global trends, allows us to continue achieving record-setting results. In Q3, we achieved gross revenue of CAD 2.1 billion and net revenue of CAD 1.7 billion, an increase of 11.8% compared to Q3 of 2024. This was driven by 5.6% organic growth and 5.2% acquisition growth. As a percentage of net revenue, our project margins once again remained in line with our expectations at 54.4%. We achieved an all-time high adjusted EBITDA margin of 19% in the quarter, a 100 basis point increase compared to Q3 of last year.
The increase in margin primarily reflects lower administration and marketing expenses as a percentage of net revenue due to our disciplined management of operations and higher utilization. Our adjusted EPS in the quarter increased 17.7% to $1.53. Turning to our cash flow, liquidity, and capital resources, our year-to-date operating cash flows are up 86% compared to 2024, from CAD 296 million to CAD 551 million, reflecting strong revenue growth, strong operational performance, and continued strong collection efforts. DSO at the end of the third quarter was 73 days, a decrease of four days compared to year-end 2024 and in line with our Q2. Our net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA ratio at September 30th was one and a half times, reflecting the funding of our recent acquisition of Page. This remains within our internal target range of one to two times and positions us well for continued M&A.
As we have stated before, we are comfortable going above this range for a period of time for the right acquisition. Gord, I now hand the call back to you.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Great. Thanks, Vito. At the end of the third quarter, our contract backlog stood at CAD 8.4 billion, an almost 15% increase year over year, representing approximately 13 months of work. Backlog continues to grow organically and is up 5.6% year-over-year. Organic backlog growth has been driven primarily by our U.S. and global operations, which achieved 6.6% and 6.8% growth, respectively. The acquisitions we have completed in 2023 contributed to 6.8% growth in backlog, primarily within our buildings and water businesses. Over the quarter, Stantec was awarded a number of significant project wins across each of our five business verticals, each project varying in size, scope, and complexity. I will highlight just a few of these wins. Stantec was selected as owner's engineer for Manitoba Hydro's CAD 7 billion high-voltage direct current reliability project. The project aims to secure continuous grid reliability for communities across the province.
We have worked with Manitoba Hydro on power delivery projects in the province for over 50 years, and we look forward to continuing our work with them. Stantec's infrastructure team was selected for a $745 million project to widen the SC 90 corridor in South Carolina. Our team will be responsible for shaping the overall project vision and layout, focusing on traffic operations, access management, bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure, and impact minimization. In Western Australia, our buildings team was selected to deliver specialist engineering services for two hospitals, one of which will be over 94,000 sq m in size and valued at nearly $1 billion. The second project includes refurbishment and expansion work at the Osborne Park Hospital, valued at over $250 million. These projects will enhance healthcare for women, children, and families.
Given our solid third quarter results, we maintain our net revenue growth guidance for the full year while increasing our adjusted EBITDA margin outlook to 17.2%-17.5% on the strength of our operational performance and discipline in cost management. We maintain our mid-single-digit guidance for U.S. organic growth, given persistent slower procurement cycles in the region. However, we remain optimistic that these are simply near-term challenges as we continue to see strong demand driven by the ongoing needs and the priorities of our clients. In Canada and in global, we still expect organic net revenue growth in the mid to high single digits. Growth in Canada is expected to be driven by continued strong demand and elevated backlog levels. Following the release of Budget 2025 last week, we're encouraged to see the federal government prioritize infrastructure investments across various sectors.
While we do not expect immediate spending, the budget signals strong long-term support for our industry. In global, growth is supported by ongoing high levels of activity in our water business under the AMP program in the U.K. and other framework agreements in Australia and New Zealand. Strong demand for infrastructure in Europe and positive demand fundamentals in energy and resources are also supporting growth in our global business. Considering all of these factors, we expect growth in adjusted EPS to be in the range of 18.5%-21.5% for the year, and adjusted ROIC is expected to be greater than 12.5%. Given our uniquely diversified business, Stantec remains resilient amid evolving market conditions across all of our regions. We continue to progress towards the targets we laid out in our 2024 to 2026 strategic plan, including delivering net revenue of CAD 7.5 billion by the end of next year.
With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star one one again. Our first question from today comes from the line of Sabahat Khan from RBC Capital Markets. Your question, please.
Sabahat Khan (Managing Director of Global Research)
Great. Thanks and good morning. Knowing it is kind of close to the end of the year, good organic print this quarter, just wondering if you are able to share at a high level how you are thinking about 2026. Just maybe, and I know you guys provide guidance at Q4, but just given some of the moving pieces this year, any color you can provide either by major end markets or by region would be helpful. Thank you.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Great. Thanks, Sabahat. Certainly, this is something we spend a lot of time talking about as well. You're right, we're going to provide our formal guidance for 2026 in February, but directionally, we see really strong momentum going into next year. In global, the AMP programs in the U.K. are going to continue to ramp up, as well as the frameworks in Australia and New Zealand. We see continued strong support in our water business going forward. The need for copper to support grid strengthening, energy transition keeps continuing to support growth in our mining teams, particularly in South America, where I actually was down and visited with our offices last month. Here in Canada, the federal budget that was recently released provides continued support for infrastructure really across the country.
We see a lot of opportunities in the major projects that Prime Minister Carney announced last week and even those that he announced previously. We are already working on a number of those projects, and we are in discussions and participating on a whole bunch of other ones. In the U.S., a little period of uncertainty, but we see that the macro fundamentals really are still strong there. Aging infrastructure, climate-related impacts, reshoring of manufacturing, data centers, mission-critical facilities. All of those things, whether it is global, Canada, the U.S., are strong. I think one thing that we have talked about a lot too is that around the globe, certainly a lot of discussion for increased spending on defense work. For us, that is ports, that is dry docks, that is aircraft hangars and runways, housing, all sorts of various types of infrastructure.
We're actually really positive on the prospects and the momentum going into 2026.
Sabahat Khan (Managing Director of Global Research)
Great. Maybe if you could just dig in on the Canadian side, obviously a large part of your business. Obviously, we saw two lists come out thus far. Can you just share some thoughts on, is it just kind of the broad infrastructure programs in Canada that the Prime Minister is announcing that you're getting involved with? Is it more kind of the energy-based ones? I know historically some of the pipeline work in Western Canada was a big part of your business. Are you seeing maybe some of those opportunities as being more meaningful? Just curious kind of where within those buckets is Stantec exposed. Thanks. I'll pass the line.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. Great. Thanks, Sabahat. I think in both of those fields, both the opportunities that Prime Minister Carney has announced, and we see great opportunities, but you've seen the really solid organic growth that we've seen in Canada all year, really 8.5% year-to-date organic growth in Canada. That's, of course, absent any of those projects that Prime Minister Carney had mentioned. When we look at Canada, we've seen a lot of strength, actually, in Western Canada in particular in land development. We've seen great opportunities in transportation, a number of the projects we're working on, bridge jobs in Toronto, and a lot of sort of roadway projects here in Western Canada. Water has been incredibly strong all year for us. We see really no slowdown of the both public sector work that we're doing.
We have talked about the work we are doing with Metro Vancouver in Vancouver, in Winnipeg, and other locations, but a lot of private sector work is coming along as well, advanced manufacturing, data centers, and that sort of work. That is very, very robust. Of course, as you said, the energy sector, we have seen some opportunities there, as well as that group working on a number of the work that we do on industrial projects also comes out of that. We have talked in previous quarters about some work that we are doing in Eastern Canada on some industrial projects. Canada is pretty strong, pretty broad-based. We are feeling pretty good about Canada overall as we go into next year.
Sabahat Khan (Managing Director of Global Research)
Thanks very much.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Yuri Lynk from Canaccord Genuity. Your question, please.
Yuri Lynk (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Capital Goods)
Good morning, guys.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Morning.
Yuri Lynk (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Capital Goods)
Great. Gordon, I just want to push a little bit more on the outlook. I understand things are strong right now, but that's generally reflecting work that was booked 12, 18 months ago in some cases. Can you just talk about some of your forward-most-looking indicators? I'm thinking if you look around Canada, I know there's lots of good headlines, but the current economic data is pretty weak. Australia is soft outside of water. AMP8, one of the biggest customers there, is struggling financially. The U.S. government shutdown. There's a whole bunch of worrying signs out there. Are you seeing any of that in proposal or RFP or whatever you look at on the most leading edge of your outlook?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. Great question. Maybe I'll address a couple of them individually there. In the U.S., without question, there's been a confluence of factors that we've seen there cause a little bit of uncertainty and kind of slowed the procurement cycles. I mean, certainly, that's not unique to Stantec, and you've seen that throughout the industry. In the U.S., we've—and you'll see that our backlog in the U.S. has been flat year to date. A lot of that is we've been verbally awarded a number of projects, but we haven't been able to get them signed and contracted, so they haven't showed up at backlog. A little bit slower start on some of the things. Environmental services in the U.S. is maybe a little bit slower so far, waiting for some of those things to pick up.
We're encouraged by the fact that the government is back at work now. We're also keeping a pretty close eye on that. That might only be for a couple of months until we have to go through this again. The macros have not changed in the U.S., whether it is the aging infrastructure and roadways related to and support from IIJA. We still see those supports coming to some of the reshoring that we're seeing in the private sector. We see some positivity there.
You talked about AMP and one of the largest customers there certainly having some financial difficulty, and we all read about that in the papers, but that really has no impact on our business because the way that the AMP cycles work is the water company commits to doing a certain amount of capital spend in order to justify rate increases and so on and improvements in the overall operation. That work has to get done. People have said, "What if that particular client was to get nationalized?" For us, we would not want to see that happen. If it did, the work still has to get done. We have worked with Thames Water and for a number of successor companies for the last 200 years in the region.
We do see that regardless of what shakes out there, that AMP work is going to continue. It certainly is a little bit of a cloudy environment out there, not all rays of sunshine, but we do see the demand drivers in our business being pretty strong.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
The only thing I'd add to that, Gord, is it's hard to argue with the points that you bring forward. The diversity of our platform, I think, is an incredible asset. You see it manifest itself through our year-to-date results. I think you'll continue to see that both geographically and across our segments. Notwithstanding, you're going to see pluses and minuses through it all. I think that to Gord's opening comments here, we will be positive moving into 2026, no doubt.
Yuri Lynk (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Capital Goods)
Okay. Good to hear. Second and last one for me, just any update on the M&A pipeline? I understand over the last year or two, there's been some large private players maybe working themselves towards a sale. Just any change in the pipeline?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. It's a pretty robust industry right now. Lots of discussions ongoing. You've certainly read in the papers about some of these private firms coming to market. You've also heard rumors about big firms in our space having discussions. Of course, we can't comment on any of those things other than to say we maintain very, very positive on M&A in general and specifically for Stantec. Our board is supportive. Our investor community is supportive. We're supportive. The opportunity set is there. We're continuing a number of conversations and look forward to bringing something forward at the appropriate time.
Yuri Lynk (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Capital Goods)
Good to hear. Thanks, guys.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Thanks, Yuri.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillis from Stifel. Your question, please.
Ian Gillis (Analyst)
Good morning, everyone. Following on some of the previous commentary and maybe just hit the nail on the head, with organic backlog growth in the U.S. flat year to date, you do not believe that impinges on your ability to generate some amount of organic growth in the U.S. as we go into next year?
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, that's absolutely correct. We do not envision our year-to-date backlog being flat as an indicator of organic growth going into next year. We will be positive in organic growth next year. We will give guidance again at the appropriate time, but our expectations at this time—you heard Gord echo opening comments around the U.S., including the U.S.—we feel pretty good about it. Factors that are contributing to the year-to-date, first of all, backlog is generally lumpy. Obviously, we expect it to build here as we move into the first half of the year. Our year-to-date backlog, though, even in the U.S., our year-to-date, which is probably a better comparison or equally important comparison—excuse me, our year-over-year. Thank you. It is up 6.6%, I believe it is, or over 6%.
Overall, notwithstanding the confluence of factors that we've talked about, that our peers have talked about, we clearly expect organic growth in the U.S. as we move into next year.
Ian Gillis (Analyst)
Understood. That is very helpful. Maybe along similar lines, most of the other engineering firms who have been asked about this, so I will ask as well, is do you have any concerns about IIJA funds not being released with some certainty? For instance, does your U.S. team still feel quite confident that the bulk of those funds will come out over the next, call it, four to five years and should continue to be that long-term tailwind and not be canceled?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. I think our answer would be similar to what you've heard from some of the others who have reported as well, that we have no indication that a program like the IIJA would be canceled or funds would be withheld. We still see the continued momentum on that. No, we think that that program remains intact.
Ian Gillis (Analyst)
Perfect. Thanks very much. I'll turn the call back over.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Thanks, Ian.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Krista Friesen from CIBC. Your question, please.
Krista Friesen (Director of Equity Research)
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just thinking about your margin, obviously, a pretty impressive quarter and raising and narrowing the guide for the remainder of the year. Can you speak to what's changed on that front relative to the beginning of the year when you first issued your guidance?
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Hi, Krista. Yeah, it's Vito. You're absolutely right. We're really pleased. A lot of hard work across all of the teams, of course, across our organization in delivering an EBITDA margin. Year-to-date, 17.7%, 100 basis points ahead of the prior year, or more than that, actually. Really, really pleased with it. It all—I sound like a broken record a little bit with this, but it all starts with project margins. Right customer, right project, right pricing, right risk profile. We spend a lot of time with that, and our professionals are excellent in the delivery of that. Our project margins year-to-date are 0.1% ahead of where we were last year. Without that, that's the fundamental. What you're seeing, of course, is admin and marketing as a percentage of NSR come down. On a year-to-date basis, 37.6% versus 38.6% last year.
Again, 100 basis point improvement. That is driven by a number of things. Clearly, scale is a big part of that. As we grow, and organic growth is a significant component of that, the ability to obviously deliver against that base in a more efficient way, that is important for us. That has contributed meaningfully to our year-to-date results. Our utilization is another area that has contributed positively to it. Our occupancy costs are also contributing positively too on a year-to-date basis. Net-net, you have got this business has significant operational leverage attached to it. With continued organic growth, continued acquisitions contributing to, obviously, the net revenue growth, it provides a continued opportunity for EBITDA margin expansion going forward. While at the same time, very importantly, ensuring we continue to invest, invest in our people, invest in our offerings, and invest in the market.
That's equally, if not more important, as well as we move our way through here.
Krista Friesen (Director of Equity Research)
Thanks. That's great color. Just a last one for me here. You mentioned the Page acquisition integration's progressing well and starting to realize some synergies there. Can you just provide us with a little bit more detail there? Thank you.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. Not much more to add than Gord's commentary. We knew Page very, very well coming into this acquisition. We work with them. We have to say that everything post-close of the acquisition has just reconfirmed. Just an incredible team and really hit the ground running from an integration perspective. I think the pace to which we're seeing some of the opportunities, both in market and some of the efficiency, reflects the fact that we knew each other so well and had spent a fair bit of time in these sorts of discussions well in advance. Gord, any additional comment on Page?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
No. As we've really started working through the integration, everything that we thought was there has really shown itself to be true and then some. It has actually been very, very positive. A lot of great project-based and pursuit-based synergies there. Actually feeling really good about Page. I wish we could find another five Pages to join us.
Krista Friesen (Director of Equity Research)
Thanks. Appreciate the commentary.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Thanks, Christa.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Benoit Poirier from Desjardins. Your question, please.
Benoit Poirier (VP and Industrial Products Analyst)
Yep. Good morning, Vito. Good morning, Gord. And great performance on the margin front and also great color that was provided on the previous question. Looking at 2026, could you provide maybe some comments whether the pace of improvement we've seen so far this year is sustainable going into 2026 and what are the puts and takes when looking at margins going into next year?
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
That's a sneaky way of asking me for guidance already, there Benoit. No, we'll do that in February. I mean, I think when you look at the last several years, there's been steady year-over-year improvement, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5. This year, to your point, a little bit outpacing our historical track record, which is wonderful. One of the big factors in EBITDA margin expansion clearly is connected to a lot of what this call has been about, which is the pace of organic revenue activity in the business. That is a big driver of obviously what you can deliver bottom line.
When you sort of zoom out, notwithstanding where we may be here in 2026 and whatnot, which again, we feel fairly comfortable with at this point, and you look at a two or three or four-year picture with the macro demand and whatnot, I think you can expect obviously continued EBITDA margin expansion. We're just going through, we're entering our third year of our three-year strat plan where we committed to 17%-18%. Obviously, we're in the higher end of that range as we sit here in 2025. We expect to be at these levels or better, obviously, as we move into 2026, and we'll refine that next year. It is the commercial activity that enables, in large part, for us to really lean into these margin expansions. We expect that to continue.
Benoit Poirier (VP and Industrial Products Analyst)
Okay. That's great color. Maybe, Gord, you made some great comments about the opportunities you foresee in terms of defense. I would be curious if you could expand on what is your exposure to defense right now and how material could it be given the opportunities you see out there. I would be curious to see how it would compare to the opportunities with data center, let's say.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. No, that's great. The beauty of the Stantec model is in that diversification piece. When you look at even in the U.S., where we do a lot of dry docks and aircraft hangars and those sorts of things, our exposure to the U.S. federal government overall is still in that 5% range. That is the beauty of the diversification model. I think you would see in other countries around the world, it is probably sub-5% what we would be doing in that. Again, a lot of this is just our bread-and-butter infrastructure work, just with a little bit different. Instead of a hangar for a commercial aircraft, it is for a military aircraft. This is stuff that we are all very, very comfortable with.
We do not expect that while there has been a lot of commitments to increasing spending on defense and some of these infrastructure things, we do not expect it is going to pop right away. It is going to take a while to build. That is fine. We are spending a lot of time with our clients and ensuring that when they get the budget in there and they are ready to go, they are thinking of us top of mind. I think we will see it continue to grow, but I am not sure that we will see it being material.
Benoit Poirier (VP and Industrial Products Analyst)
Okay. That's great. Maybe last one for me in terms of free cash flow, Vito, very strong performance in the quarter. It looks like you were able to maintain DSO while typically they go up a bit sequentially from Q2 to Q3. Just wondering, is it a matter of stronger collection efforts? Is it a matter of business mix? What about the expectation, let's say, for Q4? Was there some pull forward in terms of free cash flow? Would be curious to get some thoughts around the strong free cash flow performance.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. Again, Benoit, I take you to the—you are right. Free cash flow can be lumpy quarter to quarter, and this quarter Q3 was an outsized year-over-year gain. Clearly, the trend has been incredibly positive for us. As you heard in my commentary, our prepared commentary, our year-to-date numbers are up significantly. That is driven by, of course, the business and the expansion of the business, first and foremost. Clearly, our working capital management has remained to be seen, but it looks like we have made a significant one-step, one-time sort of move here that is continuing to stay with us. Our DSOs now are at 73, 74. We had an internal target of 80 for the longest time. I think we are getting pretty comfortable saying that perhaps the mid-70s is the new starting point for us. We will give ourselves another quarter before we do that.
I just need to—we've made some changes internally. It's an area of focus for us primarily. Just a huge shout-out to all of our project managers across all of the entire network that are managing aggressively to that, while obviously keeping our commitments to our clients and whatnot. Really, really pleased with it. Might give some back in Q4. I'm not worried about that in any way, shape, or form. For the full year, we'll continue to be well ahead of where we were in the prior year. Very pleased with our working capital management.
Benoit Poirier (VP and Industrial Products Analyst)
Okay. Kudos and thank you for the time.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yep. See you, Benoit.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Thanks.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Once again, if you have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Tupholme from TD Cowen. Your question, please.
Michael Tupholme (Director of Equity Research)
Thank you. Good morning.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Morning.
Michael Tupholme (Director of Equity Research)
Gord, you've talked for a bit about the water business, obviously over time, but also mentioned it this quarter, very strong organic growth. Often talk about the contribution from the U.K.'s AMP program and what that's meaning for your organic growth. I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit more about what you're seeing in Canada and the U.S. I think you've touched on it a little bit, but I'd be curious what kind of organic growth rates you're seeing in water in those regions, and maybe if you can talk a little bit about the drivers you're seeing as well.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. In the U.S., really, really strong growth in water as well. Just trying to look for the number here. It is definitely well into the double—was it 20% in the quarter, Vito?
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
In the U.S.?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
We will grab that.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. No, I've got certainly double-digit growth in the U.S. in water. What's interesting, whether it's—and it's over 20% in Canada. What's really interesting is that we've talked about it in sequential quarters. We've had continued organic growth in our water business all the way back to early 2019. It just continues and continues to strengthen. In.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
It was 10%, Gordon.
10%.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
10%. Okay.
In the U.S.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. In Canada, the type of work that we're doing are big public sector wastewater projects and water projects. Metro Vancouver, where we're working on the Iona Island relocation there, a big biosolids project in Winnipeg that we've talked about, a billion dollars. There's just a lot of big projects like that. Toronto continues with basement flooding enhancements and such. In the U.S., we see the same, a lot of it is municipal-type work, water supply, water treatment, water scarcity-type issues in some areas. In the Gulf, certainly, it's flooding and excess of water. It's all just that sort of core fundamentals that just keeps going with our water business. Whether it's not enough water and we're working on water reuse and recycle, too much water and flooding.
We are doing big projects like the big pump station we did in New Orleans several years ago, or currently working on shoreline protection-type work, sea level rise-type work. Regulation like PFAS continues to provide opportunities in the short, but more so in the longer term. Just the advanced manufacturing and reshoring of some of that, of course, you read about in the papers all the time. Very often, the first thing that clients need is water, access to water, water allocations, the treatment of high-purity water for manufacturing processes. Really, really strong drivers in water. We do not see them slowing down in any way.
Michael Tupholme (Director of Equity Research)
Thank you for that. That's very helpful. The second question I wanted to ask is just about data center activity. Wondering if you can provide a bit of an update on activity levels in that area. I guess also curious what percentage of the revenue of the company is that represented by today and how you see that evolving and looking into 2026 as far as share of revenue contribution relative to 2025.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. We're currently working on over 100 data centers, mission-critical facilities, ranging in size from 20 megawatts all the way up to a gigawatt. A lot of projects on the go, but a pretty robust pipeline as well. I think right now it would represent, Vito, I'd say like 3%, 2%-3% of the overall net revenue of the company. Do we see that growing? Yeah. I mean, that's growing at a bit of an outsized. Would it get to 4%, maybe 5%? We don't see that we'd want it to go a lot more than that. We don't want to become 15% exposed to any sort of a high-growth area like that because just in the, as we've talked about, our diversification over time.
We feel good in that 3%-5% range if data center is mission-critical, we're in that area, but certainly a high-growth area for us.
Michael Tupholme (Director of Equity Research)
That's perfect. Thanks for the time.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Thanks, Mike.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Murray from ATB Capital Markets. Your question, please.
Chris Murray (Managing Director of Institutional Research and Diversified Industries)
Yeah, folks, good morning. Gord, you mentioned earlier the three-year financial target hitting, I guess, $7.5 billion by the end of next year. I mean, I'm looking at consensus right now. It's about $7 billion to $7.2 billion, which means that you probably have to find some acquisition growth, I won't say in a hurry, but soon. There's also, I guess, some questions. We kind of heard on the call about the whole idea behind being able to maintain a 7% CAGR, because even if we go back a couple of years ago and what we've actually experienced over the last couple of years, hitting 7% next year on a three-year CAGR is going to require just a stupid lift, which is probably not reasonable.
I guess the question I've got for you is, the rest of the other metrics that we're seeing up and down, things like the adjusted EBITDA and the financial metrics are all looking okay. I guess the question I've got for you is, are you married to that seven and a half as a target, or is it just more kind of aspirational and we can kind of think about how the game is going to play? Because the environment is shifting and we could be heading into some choppy waters. Just thoughts on how those targets are set and how you're actually aiming at them.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah, Chris, maybe I'll take that one. Gord, you can jump in if you have. The CAD 7.5 billion was established, obviously, years ago. Based on exactly what you're describing, Chris, it was based on a CAGR of 7% organic. Then, obviously, the rest of it filled in by acquisition. You're right. When you look at that 7% CAGR now, relative to obviously what we did and we're doing here in 2025, it's going to be hard probably for us to get 7% CAGR. Obviously, again, we'll stop just short of 2026 at this point. We'll see how the next few years. Clearly expect organic growth next year and expect a good year there. We're not married to the CAD 7.5 billion. It's not something that, at the end of the day, we're linked to.
This company is all about just obviously continued diversification, organic growth, and M&A strategy. When you look at the pace of our M&A, you sort of say we expect to obviously be in market, expect to continue to do acquisitions. As a result, that's what contributed, I think, to Gord's comment around our ability to be in that seven and a half range. I would say that the number itself isn't driving our activity. It's our strategy that's driving the activity. It's proved out really well at this point.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
No, absolutely right, Vito. And Chris, while you're right, if organic growth does slip below that 7% CAGR, there's some great optionality on the acquisition side that we would never rush anything or do anything that we didn't feel was the right thing to do long-term in order to hit that 7.5% target. But it's a pretty robust environment right now. So feeling optimistic about some things that could happen there.
Chris Murray (Managing Director of Institutional Research and Diversified Industries)
Okay. That's helpful. The other question, and I know this is something that we haven't looked at in a while, but Vito, I'll throw it out at you, is just getting back into the market and maybe buying back stock again. We haven't really seen that. I know that the multiple has been fairly high, but now it's starting to come maybe back to what I would call a more normal range. Is maybe getting into a regular cadence on the NCIB something that you guys are maybe more open to? Or is that something that you're just going to stay kind of full-blown pressed on M&A as a use of capital?
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Yeah. No, I take you back to our capital structure objectives. Obviously, we're going to generate a significant amount of free cash flow. We will continue to do that. Our capital allocation priorities are obviously first and foremost funding our internal capital needs, which are fairly modest. Our capital expenditures have been in the area of CAD 100 million on an annual basis. This year will be actually fairly below that. We have a dividend in place. We'll continue to respect that dividend and likely grow it as we have in the last several years. The NCIB, there's an M&A there. Again, we see an incredible opportunity for this organization going forward with the right acquisitions, a fragmented market to prioritize acquisitions. That also contributes to organic growth, right?
I mean, acquisitions are a big part of also across revenue synergies and whatnot to drive an organic growth. M&A is lumpy. When you're looking at M&A over the years, you can't sort of predict it. Clearly, we'll continue to use the NCIB. You're absolutely right. We have been muted on share buybacks the last couple of years, I think now. We'll continue to use the NCIB and have it on the shelf as required. Opportunistically, we wouldn't hesitate to get in the market and buy back our shares if required. M&As, we think, are a really significant value creator for this organization going forward, as is our stock buyback program.
Chris Murray (Managing Director of Institutional Research and Diversified Industries)
Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks, folks.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Thanks.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Thanks, Chris.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Maxim Sytchev from NBCM. Your question, please.
Maxim Sytchev (Managing Director of Industrial Products Research)
Hi. Good morning, gentlemen. Gord, maybe the first question for you, and just turning back to the U.S., I mean, one of the things that we're hearing is that the procurement methodology has changed a little bit from the federal government, that it's a bit more book and burn, sort of less visibility, but work is still coming through. Is this also something that perhaps explains that dichotomy between backlog and organic growth, which still remains pretty robust? Just any color you can provide that would be super helpful. Thank you.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. Without question, the overall procurement cycle and process for a number of federal, state, and local governments have changed with some of the executive orders that have come from President Trump. That was a little bit slowness there the first part of the year. Now we've been awarded a number of projects, and we're just waiting to get them signed. Certainly, the shutdown slowed things down there. I think as we see, hopefully, folks start to come back and begin to work through the backlog of paper on their desk, we get some things signed, and then they'll turn into backlog for us and others in the industry. I think we're still long-term bullish on the U.S. market there. A lot of good opportunities, and we'll just keep working on it.
Maxim Sytchev (Managing Director of Industrial Products Research)
Yeah, for sure. Do you mind providing a bit of color in terms of the environmental services, organic growth? I mean, we're seeing a bit of a slowdown while water is actually accelerating. Do you mind maybe talking about the puts and takes in terms of what explains that divergence as well? Thank you.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. Absolutely. A couple of things there. One is that even more than other groups, our ES group has got a number of large U.S. federal projects that we've been awarded just waiting for signatures. We do see those coming. No question of discussion of cancellation or deferral. We just need to get them signed and then we can get them going here early in the new year. I think longer term, we see both in Canada. Canada, we've got some good projects that are going to be starting up in the near term as well. In the U.S. too. I think we've seen a little bit of a slowness in ES this year, or organic growth really quarter over quarter has been kind of low single digits. I do think we'll see a bit of an acceleration in that as we move into 2026.
Maxim Sytchev (Managing Director of Industrial Products Research)
Okay. Super helpful. Thank you so much. Last question, if I may. You called out the German market, which is obviously sort of a recent beachhead for you guys, seeing very nice growth. Do you mind maybe talking about what is driving that? I presume some of that is defense, transport, but any incremental color would be super helpful. Thank you.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. Our group in Germany, incredibly well managed with lots of opportunity, particularly since the government took off the debt break there and investing another EUR 500 billion. Some of the work that we're doing now, in addition to the typical work that we do, which is roadways and bridges and rail projects, we're working with a lot of folks right now on a big electrical transmission project. There's a real north-south need for electrical transmission in Germany as well. That's a market that we've just begun to move into probably over the last six to nine months. I see a lot of growth there.
In addition to the strength of our existing business, which is growing really, really well, we're absolutely looking for other opportunities to bolt on to the beachhead, the foothold that we've got now in Germany and continue to grow it. Good market, predictable, well-run companies. We're looking to look for opportunities to continue to expand.
Maxim Sytchev (Managing Director of Industrial Products Research)
Okay. Does that imply sort of inorganic growth as well? That's how we should be interpreting this?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. I think we certainly are going to see a lot of organic growth, and we're absolutely looking at inorganic opportunities as well.
Maxim Sytchev (Managing Director of Industrial Products Research)
Okay. Thank you for clarifying.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Great. Thanks, Max.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Once again, if you have a question at this time, please press star one one. Our next question comes from Jonathan Goldman from Scotiabank. Your question, please.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Hi. Good morning, team, and thanks for taking my questions.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Hi, Jonathan.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Good morning.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Good morning. If we think back to the commentary on the last call, I think in the U.S., you called out in July you had seen high single-digit organic growth. I'm just curious how things progressed sequentially through August, September, October, November, and if there's been any reversal in the trend, because I guess with the 4.6% in the quarter, it does seem like things deteriorated August and September.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah, Jonathan, you're absolutely right. We did call out, obviously, that July number. We ended up where we ended up, which was just under 5% there. It was not a big drop from July. I would not say there is further deterioration at this point. All the commentary with respect to the U.S., we sort of made it here today. I do not have anything else to add. The only other thing, one small tidbit here, it is not a bigger picture piece, is clearly as we go into Q4, we have a very significant comp that we are cycling here with Q4 for the year. U.S. organic was a part of that where I believe we were 10% or so last year or just under 10%. That is just a reality of what we need to cycle. Overall, no additional commentary in the U.S., as we have mentioned.
We would not say there is actually deteriorating, if anything, over the last little bit, the last little few weeks, a month, or whatnot. Maybe just a bit more buoyancy, quite frankly, and you have seen that reflected in our commentary.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. That's good color. I guess maybe switching to the margin guidance. If you take the full year guide, and by my math, if you back it out, it looks like you're implying Q4 margins would be down year on year, something in the range of 30-40 basis points. Clearly, that's not the year-to-date trend. Obviously, there's moving pieces, but why would margins be down year to date given all the improvements in the business you've undertaken?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. I do not know that margins are going to be down going into next year. That is not necessarily what we are predicting, obviously. You do have, we will see the Page integration manifest itself fully next year with next quarter with our financial integration. You always can have some ups and downs with the financial integration. Again, nothing concerning, but that could impact margins. The only other thing I would say is back to that, or the consolidated organic growth that we had last year, clearly, depending on where we are at, just cycling a big quarter, that ends up manifesting itself through a margin back to operational scale and whatnot. No, we are very, very pleased with our margins and do not expect any significant pullback in the trends and thematics that we have talked about when it comes to EBITDA margin expansion.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. That's helpful color. I guess last one, if we're looking at M&A at this point, I guess maybe relative to other periods, what would be the main bottleneck at the moment? Is it valuations, culture fit, maybe a paucity of attractive targets? How does the cycle time from identification to closing relate now versus other historical periods?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah, sure. I'll start, and then Vito, it will be up to you. I mean, if you like. I think, Jonathan, there's really nothing slowing the process down right now. It's just very robust. A lot of conversations on the go. Cycle times vary from discussion to discussion. Sometimes we work with a client or a company, partner with them for five or more years before we finally decide, "Hey, you want to do this?" And then because we know each other really well, it can proceed pretty quickly. Other times, there's an established process that can take three, four, six months. Six would be an outlier, I would think. They are all over in terms of timing and where we would see them. Certainly, a number of ongoing discussions and both exclusive and through processes that are in play right now.
Yeah, I think it's just a normal cadence here. When the time is right, if the stars align, we'll be glad to share news with you guys.
Vito Culmone (EVP and CFO)
Not much more to add there, Gord. Each one has a life of its own.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Anything to say on valuations? I think, Gord, you referenced maybe slower organic growth could also translate into a silver lining on valuations. How have those trended year-to-date versus, I guess, last year or maybe the last couple of years?
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Yeah. No major changes on valuation. I mean, obviously, it's sometimes a little bit sector-dependent. Significant areas of growth in one sector obviously have a higher valuation, which is quite obviously expected and implicit, obviously, in the valuations of us and our peer groups. I don't think valuations in any way, shape, or form are an issue. We look at these things clearly from a strategic perspective, always above value creation over a reasonable period of time, revenue synergies. Valuations isn't getting in the way at this point for us.
Jonathan Goldman (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Thanks for the color. I appreciate the time. I'll get back to you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. This does conclude the question-and-answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Gord Johnston for any further remarks.
Gord Johnston (President and CEO)
Great. Thank you, operator. Thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. We are really pleased with our Q3 results. Certainly, if you have any follow-up questions following the call today, please reach out to Jess Nieukerk, our VP of Investor Relations. Thanks again, and look forward to catching up with everybody in the next little while.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.