SolarWinds - Q4 2022
February 9, 2023
Transcript
Speaker 0
Good morning, and welcome to the SolarWinds 4th Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. All participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Tim Coraja, Group Vice President of Finance.
Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker 1
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the SolarWinds 4th Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. With me today is Sudhakar Ramakrishna, our President and CEO and Bart Kalsu, our CFO. Following the prepared remarks, we will have a question and answer session. This call is being simultaneously webcast On our Investor Relations website, you can also find our earnings press release and the summary slide deck, which is intended to supplement our prepared remarks during today's call.
Please remember that certain statements Made during this call are forward looking statements, including those concerning our financial outlook, Our market opportunities, our expectations regarding customer retention, our evolution to Subscription first mentality and the timing of the phases of such evolution, the impact of the global economic and geopolitical environment on our business And our gross level of debt. These statements are based on currently available information and assumptions, And we undertake no duty to update this information except as required by law. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including the numerous risks and uncertainties highlighted in today's earnings release and our filings with the SEC. Copies are available from the SEC on our Investor Relations website. As a reminder, the financial results presented on this call reflect SolarWinds as a stand alone business and do not include any contribution from the Enable business we spun off in July 2021.
Furthermore, we will discuss various non GAAP financial measures on today's call. Unless otherwise specified, When we refer to financial measures, we will be referring to non GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the differences between GAAP And non GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call is available in our earnings press release and summary slide deck on the Investor Relations page of our Web As a reminder, beginning with the Q1 of 2022, we no longer Adjust our revenue for the impact of purchase accounting. For the Q4 of 2022, non GAAP total revenue is equivalent to our GAAP Total revenue. Finally, we note that financial results discussed on today's call and in our earnings release are preliminary And pending final review by our external auditors and us and will only be final once we file our annual report on Form 10 ks.
With that, I will now turn the call over to Sudhakar.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Tim. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. As always, I'd like to thank our employees, Customers, partners and shareholders for their ongoing commitment to SolarWinds. Looking back at 2022, I'm incredibly proud that our team delivered top line growth in a challenging macro environment. We believe these results are a testament to our business model's resiliency, the value we provide to our customers And the entire SolarWinds team's competence, commitment and attitude.
We had several highlights in the 4th quarter, including Strong subscription revenue growth in line with our subscription first strategy, continued execution on customer retention Demonstrating the value proposition of our solutions, growing traction with our observability solutions, representing the superior value That we believe we deliver to customers, continued innovation in our service management, ITSM and database product lines, Representing an increasingly diverse portfolio participating in growing markets, healthy cash flow generation and adjusted EBITDA margins reflecting our commitment to our expense and operating discipline, delevering our balance sheet, which Bart will discuss further and continued progress with our partners and global system integrators as we extend our reach to customers through our partners in a scalable and cost effective manner. I will now touch on some of these before turning it over to Bart for more color on the quarter and our financial outlook for Q1 2023 and the full year 2023. In Q4 2022, we delivered total revenues On a constant currency basis, we delivered 2% year over year growth. I'm excited to report that in Q4, In quarter maintenance renewal rate was 92% and our trailing 12 month renewal rates are now at 93%. Both of these metrics were negatively impacted by currency headwinds.
But even with that, I'm happy to report our strong execution. I attribute these results to the commitment of our team, the relevancy of our solutions, the resiliency of our business model and the trust that our customers place in us. We continue to make significant progress With our subscription first strategy and delivered 4th quarter subscription revenue growth of 45% year over year. As I've said before, I consider our evolution to subscription not just as a business model change, but as a way of delivering greater value to customers. While shifting to this strategy has resulted in some total revenue headwinds, We continue to believe it is the right way to deliver customer value and focus on growing annual recurring revenues to over $1,000,000,000 in the coming years.
We believe the conversion from maintenance to subscription Lay the foundation for even more predictable revenue and the opportunity to expand our lifetime value with customers. We ended the Q4 of 2022 with 889 customers who have spent more than 100,000 With us in the last 12 months, an increase of 7% over the comparable period in the previous years. We are increasingly helping our customers reduce tools strong, achieve comprehensive visibility across multi cloud environments, Eliminate alert fatigue and accelerate their digital transformation, all while improving their productivity. Doing so has enabled us to win larger deals. Adjusted EBITDA was $74,500,000 representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 40%, which is above the 38% to 39% outlook we gave for the quarter.
Now I'd like to take a step back and reflect on what we accomplished in 2022 and how this sets us up for 2023. 2022 was a transformational year for SolarWinds as we accelerated our progress on the SolarWinds platform and reached significant milestones in observability, service management and database monitoring. Simultaneously, we expanded our customer reach via our Transform Partner Program, critical GSI relationships And the ongoing evolution of our internal teams. I believe these vital foundations help us To be the vendor of choice to help customers accelerate their digital transformations in an increasingly multi cloud world And to deliver the best time to value, time to detect issues and time to remediate them with simple AI powered solutions. We are increasingly helping customers eliminate tool sprawl, Significantly reduce alert fatigue, improve productivity and reduce costs.
In 2022, We evolved from a monitoring vendor to an observability solutions provider. We launched key new solutions last year. Our hybrid cloud observability and cloud native SolarWinds observability solutions. We introduced Our hybrid cloud observability solution in April and have since launched enhanced detection capabilities powered by artificial intelligence and machine learning. We believe our hybrid cloud observability solution It's the only true hybrid solution that allows customers to migrate from on premises to SaaS at their own pace.
We are seeing a healthy traction with hybrid cloud observability and a long runway for growth. We believe that customers appreciate the simplicity of packaging and pricing along with the feature richness of hybrid cloud observability. We followed our hybrid cloud observability launch with our cloud and native SolarWinds observability solutions in October Available on Azure and AWS Clouds. As we evolve the SolarWinds platform, We aim to deliver observability solutions across network, infrastructure, systems, applications, databases, digital experiences And log monitoring in one platform across private and public clouds with single pane of glass visibility. While it is early days, we are excited about SolarWinds observability's ability to support every customer Regardless of where they are in their cloud journey, with the flexibility to deploy on our private cloud, public cloud or as a service.
Our Observatory solutions have already earned multiple industry awards and recognitions in recent months. As we look to 2023, we believe IT environment will continue to grow in complexity And budgets will remain constrained. Customers will value solutions that improve their productivity and lower their costs. I believe our products and services offerings are ideally suited to address these challenges With our compelling observability, service management and database solutions. It's also my belief By establishing all our ongoing innovations on the SolarWinds platform, we can deliver even greater simplicity to our customers, while creating the ability to expand the lifetime value of our customer relationships.
With that, we invite you to hear more about our solutions at our upcoming virtual SolarWinds Day on Veterans Day, February 15. During the event, industry experts and customers will share practical advice on solving today's IT problems. We are also showcasing new AI powered observability capabilities using real world customer use cases. Lastly, our channel partners are vital in helping customers accelerate their digital transformation with our solutions. Recall that in October, we announced the launch of our SolarWinds Transform program, representing our enhanced focus on channel growth And development across distribution, global system integrators, managed service providers and cloud partners.
As an example of our progress, during the quarter, we announced an expanded partnership with Dry Ice, a division of HCL Software. HCL software powers millions of apps at over 20,000 organizations, including Over half of the Fortune 1,000 and Global 2,000 companies. We believe the expanded partnership We'll focus on bringing together the best in class advanced AIOps end to end observability and service management platforms from both companies. Now I want to take a moment to address the macro environment. As we all know, 2022 was a challenging year for the technology industry and the broader community.
Although we generally continue to see healthy demand And commitments from our customers, we are cognizant of the headwinds being experienced across the IP spending industry, while focusing on our strategy and what we can control. And while we are not immune, we believe our highly cost effective solution, Compelling time to value proposition, diversified customer base across sizes and industries And high velocity transaction model enable us to operate successfully through challenging macro environments. This is reflected in our Q4 results, including our consistently strong customer retention as demonstrated By our strong renewal rates and our ability to deliver year over year revenue growth in 2022. As I've said many times, Our ability to deliver revenue growth and generate healthy cash flow, while remaining focused on profitability is a solid testament To the resiliency of our business model and stickiness of our solutions, particularly during challenging periods. We are and always have been focused on capital allocation, disciplined expense management and driving operational efficiencies across all aspects of our business, while focusing on growth and our broader subscription transition.
Given the uncertain macro outlook for 2023, we made further optimizations to our expense structure last month as part of our ongoing focus on improving operating margins. Looking ahead, we'll continue to monitor the environment closely And we plan to hire selectively while seeking to improve profitability in 2023. We've worked hard to build a sturdy business model and are unwavering in our belief in our strategy, market and ability to execute. With that, I will turn it over to Bart to expand on our financial performance and provide a Q1 and full year outlook. Bart?
Speaker 3
Thanks, Sadakar, and thanks again for joining us today. I want to remind everyone of our 2022 strategic Focus on growing with a subscription first mentality. With this, it is essential to emphasize that our subscription transition will be multifaceted. The first phase of the evolution entails selling subscriptions for our existing on premises products and our hybrid cloud observability product. The 2nd phase of the transition began with the recent launch of SolarWinds observability, our SaaS solution.
We believe that these two models of subscription growth will persist in our business and our overall focus is to grow subscription ARR, while exercising operating discipline. These efforts when combined with our other subscription products Have resulted in a subscription business with close to $175,000,000 of ARR and our 4th quarter results reflect our ongoing progress With this transition and another quarter of solid execution. Turning to the numbers, we finished the 4th quarter with total revenue of $187,000,000 which is a slight increase compared to the prior year and above the total revenue range of outlook we provided of $178,000,000 to $183,000,000 On a full year basis for 2022, revenue finished at $790,000,000 which was slightly higher than the prior year and well above the total revenue range of the outlook we provided of $710,000,000 to $715,000,000 in our Q3 earnings release. Like other companies with foreign currency exposure, we felt the impact of the decrease in the value of the euro compared to the U. S.
Dollar. On a constant currency basis, our 4th quarter total revenue would have been approximately $191,000,000 which is an increase of 2% year over year. On a full year basis for 2022, constant currency revenue would have been approximately $733,000,000 which is also a 2% growth compared to the prior year. We ended the 4th quarter with total ARR of $636,000,000 also up 2% year over year. And on a constant currency basis, our total ARR Increased over 3% versus the prior year.
Beginning in Q4, we revised the methodology used to calculate total ARR. We now exclude the impact of price increases enacted during the maintenance contract renewal and only recognize the price increase impact to ARR upon the renewal of the This contract. While this change does not have a material impact to ARR given our high renewal rates, we felt This was a change that would bring our definition more in line with others in the industry. We recalculated prior year total ARR to conform execution of our subscription first strategy and the conversion of a portion of our maintenance base to the hybrid cloud observability solution. Digging into the revenue details, our 4th quarter subscription revenue was $50,000,000 up 45% year over year.
With full year subscription revenue of $168,000,000 up 35% year over year. Our subscription revenue growth reflects the ongoing success of our subscription first efforts. The transition to a subscription first strategy creates headwinds The current quarter's total revenue. However, we believe that an increasing percentage of new deals made on a subscription basis will result in higher recurring revenue in the future. Maintenance revenue was $115,000,000 in the 4th quarter, which is a decrease of 3% from the prior year And $459,000,000 in 2022, which is a decrease of 4% from the prior year.
As we have discussed recently, our maintenance revenue has been impacted by the conversion of a portion of our maintenance customers to subscriptions And the lower euro to U. S. Dollar conversion rate in 2022 compared to the prior year. Our maintenance renewal rate is 93% on a trailing 12 month basis And 92% in quarter renewal rate for the 4th quarter. These rates are consistent with our historical performance and currency headwinds impact both.
The return in 2022 to our historical renewal rates is a testament to the loyalty of our customer base and are focused customer retention and expansion efforts. Note that as we convert maintenance customers to subscription arrangements, we exclude those customers From the renewal rate calculation, for the 4th quarter license revenue was $22,000,000 representing a decline of 34% compared to the Q4 of 2021 $93,000,000 in 2022, which is a decrease of 19% from the prior year. Remember that our new perpetual license sales performance will continue to be impacted by our subscription first focus. As noted previously, our increased subscription sales offset the decline in license revenue in the quarter. We finished the Q4 of 2022 with 889 who have spent more than $100,000 with us in the last 12 months, which is another quarter of improvements over the previous year.
I'm pleased to report that we delivered another quarter of strong non GAAP profitability. 4th quarter adjusted EBITDA was $74,500,000 representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 40%, which is above the 38% to 39% outlook we gave for the quarter. On a full year basis, adjusted EBITDA was $280,000,000 representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 39%, which is in line with the outlook we gave for the year. Excluded from adjusted EBITDA in the 4th quarter are one time costs of approximately $5,900,000 of litigation And governmental investigation costs and other professional fees related to the Sunburst cyber incident. We expect one time cyber incident related costs to fluctuate Future quarters and these one time cyber costs are difficult to predict.
Turning to our balance sheet, net leverage at December 31 was approximately 3.9 Our trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA. Our cash and cash equivalents and short term investment balance was $149,000,000 at the end of the 4th quarter, bringing our net debt to approximately $1,100,000,000 In November, we refinanced our debt and extended the maturity date From February of 2024 to February 2027. In connection with the refinancing, we made a voluntary prepayment of approximately $350,000,000 which was in addition to the voluntary prepayment of $300,000,000 that we made in September. We are also pleased that S and P Global Ratings upgraded our corporate credit rating We continue to seek to bring down the leverage further with adjusted EBITDA expansion and plan to evaluate opportunities for further debt payments in the coming quarters. I will now walk you through our outlook before turning it over to Sudhakar for some Final thoughts.
I will start with our Q1 guidance and then discuss our outlook for the full year. In formulating guidance, we are optimistic that the momentum behind our product portfolio and enhanced go to market strategy, in addition to our strong installed base and customer retention will allow us to grow our top line in Q1 and the full year. That said, we are mindful of the macro headwinds, which affects all areas of IT spending and have carefully taken into account FX And the impact of our subscription first business model, transitioning and providing our outlook. Importantly, We've increased our focus on our expense optimization efforts and are committed to improving our already strong profitability profile in 2023. For the Q1, we expect total revenue to be in the range of $177,000,000 to $182,000,000 representing a 1% year over year growth at the midpoint.
Adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 is expected to be approximately $67,000,000 to $70,000,000 non GAAP fully diluted earnings per share are projected to be $0.15 to $0.17 per share, assuming an estimated 163,900,000 fully diluted shares outstanding. And finally, our outlook for the Q1 assumes a non GAAP tax 26% and we expect to pay approximately $6,800,000 in cash taxes during the Q1. For the full year, we expect total revenue to be in the range of $725,000,000 to $740,000,000 representing 2% year over year growth at the midpoint. Adjusted EBITDA for the year is expected to be approximately $290,000,000 to $300,000,000 representing a 5% year over year growth at the midpoint. As you will notice, we are now providing adjusted EBITDA guidance in lieu of the previously provided adjusted EBITDA margin aligned with our commitment to deliver EBITDA growth on a dollar basis in 2023.
While we continue to manage our expenses prudently, We remain focused on our product roadmap, robust core execution and subscription first strategy. We have made meaningful investments in our product portfolio and go to market strategy and believe that these investments are starting to pay dividends. We will continue to make selective investments to support our product innovation, while prioritizing our commitment to improving efficiency and profitability. Non GAAP fully diluted earnings per share is projected to be $0.69 to $0.74 per share, assuming an estimated 165 900,000 fully diluted shares outstanding. Our full year and Q1 guidance assumes a euro to dollar exchange rate of 1.05:one.
With that, I'll turn the call back over to Sudhakar for his closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Bart. The midpoint of the outlook Bart provided represents year over year growth, which reflects our continued belief in the relevance of our solutions, The execution ability of our teams and most critically the trust our customers and partners place in us. I'm very pleased with the momentum building for our new innovations and I'm confident as ever in the long term trajectory of our business. We continue to weather the economic conditions in a disciplined manner and make progress across several growth vectors. As we look to 2023, I'd like to iterate 3 key near term priorities for us.
First, we have a robust renewal business with over 90% renewal rates. We remain Very focused on customer retention and expansion efforts as we have been for the past 18 months. 2nd, we continue to aggressively seek to drive subscription adoption across our businesses. While this has resulted and will likely continue to result in some variability in our reported revenue, The accelerated shift to subscription is consistent with how our customers want to consume our products And the key to our long term strategy to achieve $1,000,000,000 in ARR at mid-40s adjusted EBITDA margins in the coming years. We believe the increasing subscription base also provides an even more solid foundation for our revenue and margin expansion efforts.
And 3rd, we continue to exercise expense discipline In a challenging macro environment, as we begin 2023, we expect to continue to look for opportunities to invest Selectively, manage expenses in a disciplined manner and improve our operating margins. We have an experienced management team That has led companies through many economic cycles and we have demonstrated consistent discipline with operational efficiencies While appropriately targeting our investments in attractive growth markets, we believe our resilient business model Should allow us to deliver continued healthy levels of growth and profitability. And as you heard from Bart, We are focused on margin expansion, are guiding to $290,000,000 to $300,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA for 2023. I'll conclude again by thanking our employees, partners, customers and shareholders for their commitment to SolarWinds. Bart and I will now be happy to address your questions.
Speaker 0
Our first question comes from Matt Hedberg from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Great. Thanks guys for the questions. Sudhakar for you. One of the things that a lot of us Talking about a lot of investors and end users are the whole idea of cloud optimization. With your increased focus on observability, could Talk about maybe how your SME customers are thinking about cloud optimization.
Is that impacting spend or maybe just a little bit color on that would be helpful?
Speaker 2
Absolutely. As I'm sure you've seen more broadly, there is definitely Somewhat for deceleration in cloud spend across public clouds. And here's where our Hybrid cloud solutions have come in really handy because the way we designed the solutions was not force a particular deployment approach on the customer And instead give them a way where they can choose to deploy wholesale in the cloud, some in the premises and extend it. So what that has allowed us to do is essentially pace their investments alongside The ability for them to evolve to the cloud. So that's come in really handy because us is truly a hybrid solution.
Now in terms of cloud spend and overall observability itself, as part of our SolarWinds platform, we are also able to Evolvit said that they can keep an eye on how their infrastructure spending is going in the context of infrastructure observability and optimization. But that's more of a future thing. The more immediate benefit that customers get is leveraging of the hybrid cloud observability, Which has seen some really good traction in this environment.
Speaker 5
Got
Speaker 4
it. Thanks. And then Bart, You guys had good results, 4Q results relative to your guide and expectations. Can you talk and I don't think you necessarily commented on linearity though. Can you talk about I mean, you guys have such an expansive view of a large customer base.
How the quarter progressed? Obviously, it's back end loaded, but maybe just spending patterns through the end of December and what you've seen through January?
Speaker 3
So, yes, I mean, what I'd tell you Matt is that the Q4 for us is always our biggest quarter on the commercial side of that business. And obviously that happened again this year. From a linearity perspective, the good thing is that our business model doesn't have the typical hockey stick. We have bookings progression throughout the quarter and that held up this year just like it has in the past as well. So all in all, it was a strong quarter for us from a revenue standpoint and from a booking standpoint, definitely compared to what the guide is that we gave back in the 3rd Quarter.
So, what I would tell you is that for us, we're continuing to see improvement across the board. You saw that in our results from as they trended throughout the year. And for us from a seasonality standpoint, 2022 was just like every other year. We saw improved performance as we move throughout the year.
Speaker 4
Got it. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Erik Suppiger from JMP Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 6
Yes. Thanks for taking the question. So first off, what should we be modeling for interest expense Given the restructured debt. And then secondly, can you expand a little bit in terms of how we should be modeling for your cost reductions? Can you comment a little bit about what kind of further changes you've made and how we should be thinking of OpEx growth From 2022 into 2023?
Speaker 1
Eric, sure. Thanks for the question. I'll take this one. As it comes to interest expense, Alt Model around $110,000,000 of cash interest expense And this is in line with how we refinance the debt and our base of financing. And also we have non cash interest expense as you may expect as the debt falls to par and we expect that to be Call it around $8,000,000 to $10,000,000 but that's the high level interest expense assumption.
As it comes to expense optimizations to Bart's and Sudhakar's points, we will continue to be Very prudent as it comes to our investments and be very selective. And we'll make sure we are making the right investments At the right places, where we are expecting the highest return. So as we go through 2023, You may expect to see that same trend of expense management and prudence and we will observe expenses very closely And just to make sure we are making the right trade offs with focusing expanding our margin as well as EBITDA dollar.
Speaker 5
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Patrick Schultz from Baird. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 7
Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Just with the 2 observability solutions launched during 2022, it sounds like initial Customer success has been pretty positive. Are you able to provide any customer stats around the success and what's embedded for expectations in 2023? Then maybe just any color you can write on what types of conversations you're having with customers?
Speaker 2
So we're not splitting out Customer counts and revenues at this point, but a large part of that is definitely implied in a continued healthy subscription growth rate. As I mentioned on the call, they grew about 45% in Q4 relative to last year. That will continue to be a trend for us in terms of focus. And my expectation is that we Demonstrate progress across both sides. And as I was mentioning to Matt's question earlier, The fact that we have hybrid cloud observability comes in really, really handy at times when customers may either be hesitant about Cloud spend or let's call it a little bit more cautious than they were even in 2021 2022.
So providing the optionality helps them a lot. And the way to think about our solution is that it's actually a continuum. While we may have introduced in 2 parts of the year, We'll be merging them such that customers have a seamless migration. Let's say they choose to have 100% SaaS at some point down the road, They will have the optionality to do that. What I will say is that customers absolutely love how we have Packaged the solution for them, obviously priced it on a per node basis and the feature richness Because they don't really have to buy a lot of tools or in fact are able to consolidate a lot of tools including 3rd party vendor tools to deliver to take leverage of our solutions.
Speaker 7
Appreciate the color there. And then just on the international market, it seems like the macro environment in Europe is still impacting sales cycles and causing some increased deal scrutiny. But from an overall pipeline perspective, can you comment on any trends you were seeing throughout the quarter?
Speaker 2
Yes, absolutely. The Pipeline for us including in Europe has actually been quite robust and increasing. But the way we are modeling it in light of, call it, the broader macro conditions and the extra scrutiny that you mentioned is that We are assuming a lower pipeline conversion in our numbers than let's say would be the norm. But on the flip side, we continue to see Significant demand represented by our pipeline increases.
Speaker 3
Excellent. Thanks for taking my question guys.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Sanjit Singh from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 8
Thank you for taking the questions. I had some more kind of higher level questions kind of beyond the current macro environment.
Speaker 3
We've been talking
Speaker 8
a lot about the observability opportunity and it's really nice to see you guys execute on the roadmap, both this year On the hybrid cloud as well as the cloud native solution, what you sort of laid out in your investor presentation And in your script, database performance monitoring, as well as our service management. And I wanted to talk about those two opportunities, How should we think about the contributions of those opportunities To your revenue growth profile over the next couple of years, do you sort of see them as sort of incremental to the core observability Or do you think they could be really meaningful contributors in and of themselves?
Speaker 2
First, the latter, Sanjit. We look at them as meaningful individual contributors to the business. That's the reason why I do not while observability is a very strong pillar of ours, including our erstwhile monitoring solutions, I like to think of it as we are participating in 3 growth markets with service management and database. And as of now, They are increasing, meaning the service management and database monitoring parts of our business are robust growers. And because of the size that they have currently, you will not see the full impact of their growth rates.
That being said, the way to think about this as we move forward is that as the SolarWinds platform itself matures, A lot of the functionality will ride on the same platform. So for instance, when we think about observability and we talk about Database observability as an element that comes out from the innovation of our database team. Similarly, we'll integrate automation and remediation with observability and that's contributed by the service management team. So there is a standalone motion, as you know in the market, as well as a more integrated motion, which is why I'm excited about how our Observatory solutions be very differentiated than, let's say, simply observing and reporting.
Speaker 8
Understood. That's very interesting. Also in your investor deck, you have sort of the preliminary Initiatives and goals for the team in 2024. And one of them was around product led growth, Which in some ways I kind of thought of SolarWinds as sort of the an early pioneer of product led growth. I guess it's been Executing an online digital sales model for well over a decade now.
Speaker 5
Can you talk a little bit A little
Speaker 8
bit about what you sort of need in 2024 about moving into product led growth. What are the aspects from a capability standpoint You're looking to build that you don't necessarily have today.
Speaker 2
Absolutely. So it's that's a good call out Sanjit. It's more of a Evolutionextension, you're right about saying in, SolarWinds historically has been in many ways A product led growth company in the broad connotation of product led growth. And broadly speaking, we used to call the motion download, try and quote. So that is how the whole velocity motion was nurtured.
The way to think about this in this evolution is the download try and Quote Motion essentially become a try and buy with greater embedded technologies to both create demand And prompt demand with customers. So think of our Velocity Motion accelerating leveraging newer technology paradigms As opposed to a completely new paradigm being created.
Speaker 8
Understood. That makes sense. Thank you very much, Sudhakar.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Sanjit.
Speaker 0
Connor Passarella from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 9
Perfect. Thank you. Good morning, guys. This is Conor on for Gary Tillman. Just maybe wanted to start also with a High level question.
So just as we think about the long term targets of achieving $1,000,000,000 in ARR and mid-forty percent EBITDA margins, just If we grow ARR 10%, it takes about 5 years to get there. And then if we grow at about 5%, it takes around 10 years. As we think about these longer term targets, where do we think in reality, these will kind of shake out, maybe closer to 5 year, 10 year mark? Just any color around this would be really helpful.
Speaker 3
Yes, good question, Connor. I mean, when we're thinking about it, We originally talked about having a target of those numbers in 2025. We need to see some acceleration in revenue, Which we saw in the back half of the year. So if that trend continues, then we think these are targets that we think we can hit in the next 5 or 6 years. Definitely not thinking about it on a 10 year horizon.
We need to see more acceleration on the top line and then you'll see us deliver the
Speaker 2
And Connor, we have taken or absorbed the impact of subscription transition in both 2021, I should say 20222023 and we continue to do that. But as you can imagine that also has a compounding effect As we get into the out years. And so I don't believe that is fully internalized absorbed or modeled yet. And that's the reason why I think the time horizon is nearer rather than farther.
Speaker 9
Got it. Okay. Yes, that makes sense. Maybe just as a quick follow-up, we saw the announcement a couple of months ago, Chad Ri is being appointed as the President America's sales and global channel, maybe just any progress or support on getting him ramped up on the SolarWinds platform? Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2
Yes. So Chad's been here now for almost 6 months, Connor, and he is, I would say, fully up to speed and in fact, on the road to meet our Global channel partners in EMEA and APJ very shortly. So he and his team not only have been driving, call it, The cadence around our partner program, but also scaling our Americas business and really supplementing Our high velocity motion with what I would call selective high touch motion because we see increasing opportunities as I noted in the script As well as getting our partners more excited about our future and the possibilities that we offer them, because there's a lot of Opportunities for partners to engage with SolarWindsolutions and become even more profitable than they previously were.
Speaker 8
Great. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Our next question comes from Kash Rangan from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Speaker 5
Hello, Sudhakar and Bart. Nice to talk to you guys. If you can offer a perspective on your subscription transition And are there incremental tweaks to the subscription product offering that should incentivize the customer To move away from your big installed base of licenses. And also comment here with that, are there things that you're doing On the go to market side to sweeten up the incentive, so from the product side, from the go to market side, what are the things that you could do To accelerate this transition and also if you have a view on the maintenance fallout, the folks that are not converting to subscription, What are they doing? Are they just sitting out to wait for a certain level of proficiency with the subscription offering so they can jump on board Or anything any other dynamics.
Thank you so much once again. Good to connect with you guys.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Kash, and always good to hear your voice. Both the entire set of questions were are very relevant and something that we have been actively working on. Number 1 is that, as I mentioned, the hybrid cloud observability product was introduced in April with another Extension in July and further in October. What I can say, Kash, is that our first focus Was to ensure that customers saw both value and feature richness as well as The simplicity of pricing and packaging. So we evolved the whole thing to note based pricing, which gives great pricing flexibility for our customers.
And so that has been a significant reason why customers have been evolving. So the approach that we took was instead of Stopping one model and starting with a new one, we decided as maintenance renewals Come up for expiry is when we position and pitch hybrid cloud observability to our customers and we have used that as the motivation to transition. And there I would say the conversion rate shows have been very high. And even though it is less than a year since we introduced the product line, we've seen Steady and accelerating progress all through 2022. And my expectation is that it will continue in 23 and this is an opportunity for us.
As you know, we have a very large installed base and a growing installed base as well. But this can be a multiyear growth opportunity for us is the way we are thinking. We have also on the other side to your point about go to market Given or incentivize both our partners as well as our salespeople to position that Harder and better because of the value proposition. And finally, what I'll say is that as we've converted maintenance To subscription, we are also experiencing meaningful revenue multiples on that, which as you know will have a compounding effect as we get into 2023, 2024 and 2025 and beyond.
Speaker 5
And also if I could follow-up on the observability side, Subhakar, are you observing in the observability markets, a tighter coupling Of the trends that are seen in the public cloud visavis declining consumption, or do you think there is more of a secular growth story For this particular product, could it still in early phase or somewhere in between? That's it for me. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Yes, absolutely. So both hybrid cloud observability, which is what I just described, cash as well as our call it the SaaS observability solutions are complementary and supplementary from our standpoint. And the approach that we have taken is because we are able to Do a lot of tools consolidation, especially in this macro environment, it becomes even more compelling to them as we bridge call it the premises To the cloud. In terms of how customers are viewing our solutions, it is a combination of Helping them optimize cost at one level and increasing productivity at another level. So it's more of a must have product as opposed to a nice to have offering.
And going back to one of the previous questions, by integrating service management onto the same platform, We're able to give them even more efficiencies from an overall deployment standpoint. So this is a long term secular growth trend in my opinion, both In the context of 3 distinct served markets as well as a more unified served market as well.
Speaker 0
We have no further questions in queue. I would like to turn the call Over to Doctor. Ramakrishna for closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Thank you very much. Thanks again for everyone who joined our call and for your ongoing Support. We are very excited about the prospects at SolarWinds and we'll continue to execute and continue to report out on a regular basis.
Speaker 0
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