Travere Therapeutics - Earnings Call - Q2 2021

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Speaker 0

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Travere Therapeutics Second Quarter twenty twenty one Financial Results and Corporate Update Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr.

Chris Klein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you, Jerome, and good afternoon, everyone, welcome to Travea Therapeutics' Second Quarter twenty twenty one Financial Results and Corporate Update Call. Thank you for joining us. Today's call will be led by our Chief Executive Officer, Doctor. Eric Dube.

Eric will be joined for the prepared remarks by our Chief Medical Officer, Doctor. Noah Rosenberg Peter Herrma, our Chief Commercial Officer and our Chief Financial Officer, Laura Clay. Doctor. Bill Roat, Senior Vice President of Research and Development, will join us for the Q and A session. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that statements made during this call regarding matters that are not historical facts are forward looking statements within the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Forward looking statements are not guarantees of performance. They involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and assumptions that may cause actual results, performance and achievements to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the statement. Please see the forward looking statement disclaimer on the company's press release issued earlier today as well as the Risk Factors section in our Forms 10 Q and 10 ks filed with the SEC. In addition, any forward looking statements represent our views only as of the date such statements are made, 07/29/2021. IntraVeer specifically disclaims any obligation to update such statements to reflect future information, events or circumstances.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Eric. Eric?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon. At the outset of the year, we highlighted the progression of our pipeline as a key priority in order to strengthen our position in the rare disease community. At the heart of this priority is an organization wide focus on positioning sparsentan to potentially become a new treatment standard for FSGS and IgA nephropathy if approved. People living with FSGS and IgA nephropathy have gone decades without adequate treatment options and limited innovation. As a result, each year thousands of patients with these disorders are advancing to kidney transplant or dialysis.

It is a collective understanding of the significant unmet need that drives our organization every day to help pave the way for new therapeutic options for these patients. Being at the forefront of these efforts can come with both achieving significant milestones as well as challenges that must be overcome. This was evident in the 2021, where we generated positive results from the interim proteinuria assessment of our pivotal DUPLEX study of sparsentan and FSGS, but subsequently heard from FDA that the interim data were not adequate to support an accelerated approval submission this year. Despite this, we remain undeterred in our commitment to ultimately deliver sparsentan as a potential new treatment standard for FSGS. We remain confident in the interim data generated by the DUPLEX Study, the largest controlled interventional study in FSGS to date.

These data build upon the strong proof of concept from the Phase II DUET study and provide a consistent data package to further inform sparsentan's profile. At our upcoming scheduled Type A meeting this quarter, we look forward to continuing our constructive dialogue with FDA in an effort to pursue accelerated approval submission in The U. S. Next year. Outside of The U.

S, I am pleased to share that we have made progress on our ongoing regulatory discussions with the EMA. Based upon our latest interactions, we anticipate submitting an application for conditional marketing authorization of sparsentan for the treatment of FSGS in Europe by the end of this year. Noah will go into a bit more detail shortly, but we believe that if we continue to progress according to plan, sparsentan could be approvable for FSGS in Europe during the 2023. We also remain excited about the potential for sparsentan to become an important new treatment option for patients with IgA nephropathy. IgA nephropathy is the most common cause of primary glomerulonephritis and a leading cause of end stage kidney disease.

If ultimately approved, we believe there to be between 75,120 addressable patients at launch in The U. S. And Europe, with room for greater patient identification through increased awareness and diagnosis over time. Our Phase three PROTECT study evaluating sparsentan in patients with IgA nephropathy is progressing well. And we remain on track for top line data from the thirty six week interim proteinuria assessment next month.

The interim assessment is designed to support potential accelerated approval submissions in The U. S. And Europe, which could result in the first approval for IgA nephropathy as early as next year. Finally in the pipeline, we are encouraged by progress made with the peggedivatenase program, where we remain on track to see preliminary data from the Phase onetwo study later this year. We will also be working to lay the foundation for our regulatory pathway in by leveraging both data from the Phase onetwo study and the ongoing natural history study.

Lastly, I'd like to touch on our commercial portfolio. As we have talked about for the last several years, we believe our commercialization capabilities in The US are a strategic strength for Trevyr's ability to deliver our current product candidates if approved. We have demonstrated a consistent ability to identify and treat new patients living with rare kidney and liver conditions. The second quarter is another example of our team's resilience, as evidenced by the rebound in performance following the impact of the pandemic in the first quarter. We experienced year over year growth across all of our products, which speaks to the continued important role they play for patients.

Looking ahead, we continue to expect underlying demand for our products, but we do anticipate that the recently announced generic version of the original formulation of Thiola will have an unfavorable impact on our net product sales growth in the second half of the year. At this time, we are not in a position to reliably estimate that we will have what that impact will be. But we plan to provide updates as we learn more about the evolution of the market. This is a scenario that has been part of our business planning for some time and we remain committed to the cisthenuria community. It also does not change our confidence in or plans to continue identifying and treating patients and building upon our commercialization capabilities to successfully deliver sparsentan if approved.

Let me now turn the call over to Noah for updates from the pipeline. Noah?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Eric, and good afternoon, everyone. We remain focused on developing sparsentan as a potential new treatment option for people living with FSGS and IgA nephropathy. And I'm pleased to report that our ongoing pivotal Phase III DUPLEX and PROTECT studies continue to progress as planned. During the second quarter, the Independent Data Monitoring Committee, or the DMC completed its sixth scheduled meeting to assess safety in both DUPLEX and PROTECT. The DMC recommended both studies proceed as planned based upon their safety review.

Looking first at FSGS, DUPLEX is continuing in a blinded manner to the study's confirmatory endpoint, which will measure changes in eGFR after one hundred and eight weeks of treatment. And we continue to be pleased with its high quality conduct. As many of you will recall, in February we announced that the DUPLEX study achieved its interim proteinuria endpoint. The data showed that treatment with sparsentan resulted in a sixty percent greater relative likelihood of achieving the FSGS partial remission of proteinuria endpoint or FPRE when compared to irbesartan. And overall, the safety and tolerability profile between treatment groups in the study at the time of the analysis were generally comparable, which is very encouraging.

We are working collaboratively with both FDA and EMA on the independent submission pathways to ultimately deliver sparsentan. In The U. S, preparations are progressing well for our upcoming Type A meeting. Our objective for the meeting is to further our dialogue for the pre NDA meeting held earlier this year. We will look to align with the agency on providing additional EGFR data from the ongoing study with the goal of enabling an accelerated approval submission for FSGS in The U.

S. Next year. We look forward to continuing our constructive dialogue and providing an update in the coming months. During the second quarter, we had a productive interaction with our assigned rapporteur and co rapporteur representing the EMA for the sparsentan conditional marketing authorization process in Europe. As a result of that interaction, we are continuing to move ahead with our plans to submit a CMA application by the end of this year.

Based upon these discussions, we are planning for a standard review time in Europe. We expect the standard review to allow us to utilize a planned clock stop to supplement our submission with the same eGFR data that we are proposing to generate in the 2022 for the potential U. S. Regulatory submission. As you know, the EMA review process is different from The U.

S, but we anticipate this could result in a potential approval in the 2023. Our teams are working diligently to complete the CMA application by year end. In parallel, we are also making meaningful progress on initiating enabling studies to support the CMA submission and potential pediatric approval in Europe. Consistent with our pediatric investigation plan that was agreed to by EMA earlier this year, we expect to initiate our open label EPIC study of sparsentan in children between the ages of one and 18 in the third quarter. Moving to IgA nephropathy, during the second quarter, we achieved completion of patient enrollment in our Phase three PROTECT study of sparsentan.

Achieving this milestone ahead of schedule speaks to the execution of our clinical teams and significant unmet need in this population. There are currently no approved medicines indicated for IgA nephropathy. And non immunosuppressive steroid sparing treatment options are desperately needed, given the long term tolerability concerns amongst nephrologists and patients. Our Phase three PROTECT study is designed to determine the effect of sparsentan on proteinuria and renal function as compared to orbisartan, an angiotensin receptor blocker and a current standard of care in patients with IgA nephropathy. Proteinuria reduction in IgA nephropathy is well established as the primary treatment goal by nephrologists.

And data generation in the field continues to be consistent with the recognized literature. It clearly supports the utility of proteinuria reduction and its tie to clinically meaningful outcomes for kidney function. The interim assessment in PROTECT will evaluate the pre specified primary endpoint, which is the ratio of geometric mean reduction of proteinuria from baseline to thirty six weeks of treatment between sparsentan and irbesartan. Our goal for sparsentan is to demonstrate a statistically significant and clinically meaningful response on proteinuria reduction compared to irbesartan. Ultimately, we are optimistic that this interim assessment will generate a data package that will support regulatory submissions in The US and Europe.

Similar to our interactions with the regulators on the DUPLEX Study, we anticipate that FDA and EMA will be looking at all available data, including eGFR, for determining the ability to submit for accelerated approval. There are some differences between the study designs that lead us to believe that should the PROTECT study meet its primary endpoint in interim analysis, there may be a more developed data package compared to DUPLEX to potentially support the accelerated approval submission. Of note, we anticipate a significant number of patients to have at least one year of EGFR data at the time of the interim assessment. Also, the PROTECT study requires all patients come into the trial on maximal tolerated dose of ACE ARB therapy for at least twelve weeks prior to randomization. And there is no washout period.

As Eric mentioned, we remain on track for top line data from the interim assessment for PROTECT next month. And we look forward to providing an update for you and the nephrology community. We do expect a limited data disclosure as patients will be continuing on a blinded basis out to two years, and we have a need to maintain integrity in this study through completion. We anticipate providing the outcome on the interim assessment of the primary endpoint of proteinuria reduction from baseline, but we do not anticipate being able to provide eGFR values. Lastly, from the pipeline, our pegtobatinase program achieved enrollment of the last patient in the highest currently planned dosing cohort.

We look forward to gaining a more comprehensive understanding of the safety and tolerability profile of pegvatinib and to determine if we have reached the appropriate dose to advance into a pivotal study or if the program would gain from an additional cohort to maximize potential benefit. We anticipate providing either a qualitative or a quantitative update before year end. Overall, I remain pleased with our development progress. We generated strong interim data supporting the profile of sparsentan with the treatment of FSGS, and we have an excellent opportunity to further establish sparsentan's utility with the PROTECT study top line readout next month. I'll now turn the call over to Peter for the commercial update.

Peter?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Noah. We are very pleased with the performance from our commercial organization in the second quarter, which resulted in approximately 13% organic growth over the same period last year. The underlying strength of our business provided for us to make optimal loss ground from the first quarter and end the first half of the year with approximately 6% organic growth in line with our expectations. During the second quarter, we continue to see demand and strong patient focus some patient compliance across all approved products. We also experienced the normalization of our gross to net deductions, which normally occur at the beginning of each year with insurance resets.

Regarding our THIOLA products, during the quarter, we continue to see new patient initiate therapy and further demand for our THIOLA EC. We experienced minimal impact from the generic version of the original formulation that entered the market during this quarter. And as I mentioned earlier, we anticipate there will be an unfavorable impact on payable revenues in the second half of the year. Despite this, we currently anticipate being able to continue identifying and treating new patients for the foreseeable future. BioAgit portfolio is providing an important treatment choice for pediatric hepatologists and we continue to expect growth through the balance of the year.

Within the pediatric hepatology space, we were pleased to see the recent approval of Albireo's Milvane, the first approved treatment of pruritus in all subtypes of PFAC. As part of our limited co promotion agreement with Albireo, we look forward to leveraging our established expertise to help deliver this much needed new treatment options for people living with this rare hepatic condition. We are also optimistic that our work on this launch will provide additional opportunities to engage with those specialists that treat with colon. Overall, I am proud of our commercial progress in the first half of the year. We have maintained a focus on identifying and treating new patients and further strengthening our capabilities.

We continue to ready our organization by building upon the foundational pre commercialization work to support Farxentan in both FSGS and IgA nephropathy with the goal of a successful first launch in U. S. As early as next year. I'd like to turn the call over to Laura now for the financial update. Laura?

Speaker 5

For the 2021, we reported net product sales of $54,600,000 from our commercial portfolio compared to $48,400,000 for the same period in 2020. We reported a GAAP net loss of $39,000,000 for the 2021. After adjusting for non cash expenses and income tax, we reported a non GAAP net loss of $23,300,000 for the 2021. On a GAAP basis, R and D expenses were $51,800,000 for the 2021. The increase compared to 2020 is largely attributable to increased patient enrollment in the ongoing studies of sparsentan as well as advancement of the pegtivatanase program in classical HCU.

On an adjusted basis, R and D expenses were $48,700,000 for the 2021. Relevant non cash expenses for the second quarter included $3,100,000 of stock based compensation and amortization. On a GAAP basis, selling, general and administrative expenses for the second quarter were $35,000,000 and is comparable to the same period in 2020. On an adjusted basis, SG and A expenses for the second quarter were $24,000,000 Significant non cash adjustments for the quarter consisted of $11,000,000 in stock based compensation and depreciation and amortization. For the balance of the year, we expect gradual and modest increases in our operating expenses, primarily driven by continued clinical development of programs and activity to support potential launches of Farxentan.

Our financial foundation to support this activity remains strong. For the second quarter, we were nearly neutral on cash use as a result of receiving final tax refunds related to the CARES Act, which offset our operating cash use. Not including additional business development, our total cash balance of 5 and $22,800,000 at the end of the quarter is expected to support our current operations into 2023. This takes into consideration potential impact of the generic version of Thiola as well as investments in sparsentan prelaunch and early launch activities and advancing the pegtivatinase program. I will now hand the call back over to Eric for his closing comments.

Eric?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Laura. In the first half of this year, we generated further evidence to support the value that sparsentan can bring to patients and to our organization. I'm incredibly proud of our team's continued execution of our landmark studies in FSGS and IgA nephropathy and remain excited about our path ahead. We remain confident that we will ultimately be in a position to deliver sparsentan as a potential new treatment standard for patients with FSGS in The U. S.

And we look forward to continuing our path for patients in Europe by submitting our CMA application by the end of this year. Furthermore, we have an exciting opportunity ahead of us with the PROTECT results coming next month, which have the potential to build upon the growing evidence supporting sparsentan as the first non immunosuppressive innovation in decades for patients living with IgA nephropathy. Through the balance of this year, we will remain focused on the priorities that will enable us to deliver sparsentan and the rest of our pipeline to patients who desperately need new treatment options. Let me now turn the call over to Chris for Q and A. Chris?

Speaker 1

Great. Thanks, Eric. Jerome, can we please go ahead and open up the line for Q and A, please?

Speaker 0

And your first question comes from Joseph Schwartz with SVB Leerink. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hi, everyone. Thanks so much. I was hoping to gain a better understanding about your expectation for an unfavorable impact on the Thiola franchise from the recent approval of a generic for the first gen formulation. Is the unfavorable impact that you expect just from a decrease in sales of your branded first generation formulation? Or do you expect that patients will actually switch back from Thiola ADC to the generic to the first gen?

And how much of your Thiola franchise has already converted to EC? And do you have any color commentary that you can offer that could help us model Thiola revenue over the next twelve months on any changes in prescription patterns that you've detected so far? You.

Speaker 2

Joe, thanks so much for the questions. I'll start out by saying that at this time, it's just really difficult for us to project reliably what erosion might take place given that there's been very little time and we've actually seen very little uptick of the generics since it's been available. That said, we do believe that things will evolve and I'll ask Peter to talk a little bit about how that might evolve and impact our business as well as your question around the split between THIOLA and THIOLA EC.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Eric. And Joe, thanks for your question. I mean, we knew that at a certain time, we could be facing generic competition. So in that respect, we have been planning for this scenario.

Speaker 7

In the first half of

Speaker 4

the year, we have been very pleased with our continued performance both in identifying new patients as well as allowing services for those patients that are having treatment already and to retain those patients. So to Eric's point, we have seen limited impacts so far. That doesn't mean that there won't be an impact in the second half of the year, but it's early days. So I think we have to better understand how the dynamics may play out. Also with regards to your question, with regards to the original formulation and the sale that we see, Right now we have less than twenty percent of the patients that are still in the original formulation.

But like I said, we have to get a better understanding on the dynamics with regards to formulary and how formulary will be adopting the new generic version. But we remain rather confident in our ability in the infrastructure that we have built over the last seven years, most in identifying new patients as well as in providing support for those patients that are on the product. So it's yet to be seen. And we will be closely monitoring the impact. And at a later time point, we will give additional perspective what the impact may be.

Speaker 6

Thank you very much. That's super helpful. And I was wondering also if you could talk about how you're preparing for your upcoming Type A meeting with the FDA in order to make your interactions as persuasive as possible. And has this meeting been scheduled yet? Will you update investors after it occurs or you receive the minutes?

Speaker 2

Sorry about that. I was on mute. So Joe, yes, we do have the meeting scheduled and it has not yet occurred. So I'll ask Bill to talk a bit about the preparation. What I can say is that we certainly reinforce and we believe FDA understands the high unmet need within this space.

So very much Bill will talk about what our goals are and how they're preparing.

Speaker 7

Certainly Eric. The process of preparation begins with submission of a briefing book and outlining our positions going into the meeting and providing the agency with detailed information about our plans moving forward. Coming out of the pre NDA discussions one of the specific asks from the agency was around just give us the specifics of your proposal for a second look at eGFR in the first half of next year. How would that work specifically? Give us the details around the statistical analysis and efforts made and how are you preserving the integrity of the study given that this is an ongoing study that runs out to two years for each of the patients.

So that's been the bulk of the preparation. And we look forward to having those discussions with the agency this quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks Bill. And just to close out on the other part of your question Joe, we will plan to provide a public disclosure on these regulatory interactions once we receive written minutes just to make sure that we're in full alignment and understand the FDA's thinking after the meeting.

Speaker 6

Excellent. Thanks again and best wishes.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 0

And your next question comes from Carter Gould with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi, this is Justin on for Carter. Thanks for taking our question. First one on PROTECT, just sort of understanding that you need to maintain the integrity of the study, but given that you're going to have a substantial amount of patients with a year's worth of eGFR data when it reads out next month, can you characterize how much freedom you're going to have to potentially give qualitative messaging around those eGFR trends and sort of if you're thinking there has changed at all with your ongoing discussions with FDA?

Speaker 2

Sure. Justin, thanks so much for the question. I'd say that we are aiming to be as consistent as possible with the disclosure from the DUPLEX interim. And since then, though, we've learned quite a bit from the FDA and their interactions on DUPLEX and believe that we may be able to provide some type of qualitative update on what we're seeing that may be helpful to understand the status of the trial. But ultimately that's going be based on the data as well as any guidance that FDA provides on our disclosure practice just to make sure that we're in alignment with how they view the maintenance of integrity of the ongoing trial.

Speaker 8

Okay, awesome. Thank you. And then one quick one on DUPLEX, just given that you'll be filing in the EU first. Is that sort of was there any additional information that was shared or that you plan to share with them ahead of that filing? Or was that decision based a lot around the sort of mid review stoppage meeting that should be occurring next year?

Speaker 2

So I will turn that question over to Bill.

Speaker 7

Yes. So the EMA saw the same interim data package that we provided to the FDA. And additionally we made them aware of the progress of our discussions with the FDA and the plans to share additional eGFR data in the first half of next year. The EMA was interested in also seeing that eGFR data. And as you alluded to, there's a clock stoppage period that times out appropriately where procedurally we can add those information or those data, that information to the review at that point in time.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks so much and congrats on all the progress.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 0

Your next question comes from Lisa Bayko with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hi. Thanks for taking the questions and a good quarter. Can you comment on the possibility of a generic Thiola EC and what implications are there if you do get any patents for that? Can you walk us through that scenario?

Speaker 2

Sure. Why don't I take that one Lisa? There is a possibility that there is a generic for file EC. It's something that we will continue to monitor but we're not aware of such activity imminently. But again, it certainly is a possibility.

We continue to be in the process of engaging with the patent office for Thiola EC patent. If that is granted, then certainly that may allow for continued exclusivity of that newer formulation. At this point, given that that has not yet been granted, I would suggest considering any type of patent coverage as an upside to that existing business.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Thanks. And then for PRO2TECT, I'm really excited to see the data coming up. And I just wanted to ask I understand the point about having like a period of maximum tolerated standard of care, you know, twelve weeks ahead of time and how that will help study and granted it's an FSGS, you know, was sort of something that was a proxy for that in my view, which is there was an eight week treatment period for the people on placebo then crossed over. So what are we to make of that?

Because there was actually a pretty lengthy dip in eGFR, which looked like it took about forty weeks to recover. Can you maybe talk about sort of how you think about that observation vis a vis the run-in period?

Speaker 2

Sure. And I think, Lisa, just to make sure that I'm clear on the question, you're referring on that eight week crossover and the eGFR acute dip is from the DUET study? Yes. Yes. Okay, great.

So Noah, do you want to take this question?

Speaker 3

Sure. It's a great question, Lisa. Just reminding that duet design was different in the sense that we had three doses. So we started at two hundred, four hundred to eight hundred. So some of those patients coming across with the lower doses may have impacted that dip.

And, you know, here I think having maximally tolerated ACE ARB and then going right into, again, right into the irbesartan, we believe may provide, you know, the ability to show in a more clear way addition of ERA on top of angiotensin blockade. So it's a slightly different design to answer your question.

Speaker 9

Sorry, how does the dose relate? I didn't quite make the link.

Speaker 10

It was like, remember, yes,

Speaker 3

so in DUET it's not just a matter of going from sparsentan sorry, angiotensin blockade to irbesartan, it was going from dose let's say of two hundred sparsentan or four hundred up to higher doses when they went into the crossover period. So you're saying there's an impact there of change of dose of sparsentan in addition to Okay. Right.

Speaker 2

So I think no, what you're saying is the variability of patients coming into the DUET study as well as the variability across the different dose levels, you're going to have introduce more variability in looking at what purely sparsentan and the endophelin blockade can do on top of max tolerated.

Speaker 9

And as I remember, the doses were like you started at two hundred and then you might have gone to four hundred and eight hundred. So I guess that took some time and that doesn't probably lengthened out that hemodynamic effect, right? The acute hemodynamic effect.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. Exactly.

Speaker 9

Okay, perfect. Okay, good. And then just last question for me. For 58, what are you looking for in the data? Because that's a product we don't think about as much but, you know, you kind of mentioned you're going to be looking for the highest dose to determine if you can get another dose cohort.

What exactly are you going to be looking at? If you could just give us an understanding there. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks, Lisa, for that question because we are really excited about this program as well. And I'll ask Bill to talk a bit about what we're planning to evaluate in that Phase onetwo.

Speaker 7

Certainly. With any Phase onetwo study and this is the first in human study for this molecule, Primary is of course safety and tolerability. Beyond that we're also looking and I think the heart of your question is really looking at from an efficacy readout on the biochemical markers, what are you seeing changing on a dose dependent basis within these patients over time in response to repeated administrations of pegtobatinase. Foremost in those measurements, and there are many, is certainly homocysteine concentration in the plasma. These patients are, troubled by very high homocysteine and very low methionine.

And so normalizing that mix in that patient population is, you know, to what degree can we lower these very high levels of homocysteine in their plasma is part of what we're looking at. As well as the variability in the response, between patients and within patients and the durability of the response over time. Ultimately, in future studies one of the things that's going to be an important piece for us is looking at the ability to predict clinical benefit for these individuals in the long term. But also in the short term is there enough of a lowering of plasma homocysteine that there's some liberalization that might be allowed in their diet. These patients are forced to eat a very low protein methionine poor diet that is quite unpalatable and very difficult to adhere to, regardless whether they're children or adults.

And if we're able to lower homocysteine to the point where that can be ameliorated, even in part, that would be huge from the patient perspective and quality of life aspect.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. That's really helpful. Thanks a lot for answering my questions.

Speaker 2

Certainly, Lisa.

Speaker 0

Your next question comes from Tim Lugo with William Blair. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking the question. And I guess following up on the homocysteine drops expected in the pegtobatinib data by year end. How much of a drop is going to kind of lead to the cognitive function and maybe some of the ocular health endpoints you're looking at. Is there can you just give us a sense of what the natural history data maybe suggests?

Speaker 2

Sure, Tim. I'll give a high level and then have Bill turn over. I mean there's been some early data linking homocysteine levels and really trying to get what is considered under the threshold of 100 or 50 for these patients, is incredibly challenging for many patients. But there is a link there. But I'll ask Bill to talk about how the work that we're doing on the National History Study is really helping in bolstering our understanding of that link.

Speaker 7

Yeah, thanks for the question Tim. It's a really challenging question because what's out there in the literature are retrospective studies that look at essentially treated and untreated individuals. And the treated individuals don't see a huge drop in homocysteine but they're certainly better off than those that are, you know, not diagnosed until they're older. In that comparison you do see differences in cognitive development, in IQ scores, in rates of thrombosis, in rates of lens dislocation, etcetera. The question I think that you're asking is how much homocysteine reduction do you need to see in order to, prevent, future clinical events?

Because treating a patient today is not going to do anything about historical changes that have already occurred And cognitive changes that have already taken place are probably the most difficult to reverse. But that's part of the program going forward. There's a certain element of clinical investigation here. We know that lower is better. And we know that the treatment guidelines in the past have been to try and get these patients below 100 micromolar.

But normal is down in the teens. So are we able to drive it lower, and keep it lower? And if so, what's the benefit from there? And we'll be working on that based on, all the aspects of data and prime among them is the natural history study.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you for that. And I guess going back to sparsentan, following the interactions with EMA, can you just, I guess, broadly discuss a bit about what are the was the data effectively the same as the data you took to the FDA? Was there any changes in the presentation? Or is it merely just the kind of the clock stoppage which occurs during an EMA submission and the timing of the submission, it seems like it would line up more with the interim look you'll take in 2022?

Or is I guess is just the EMA looking at this differently than the FDA? Or is this just merely more of a function of the timing of the filing?

Speaker 2

Phil, do you want to take this one?

Speaker 7

Certainly. I think the first part of your question I can answer easily. They saw essentially the same data package. They both saw the full interim data cut and it was presented the same way. But the different agencies have different processes.

And so the filing process, the review process, they are different. And the EMA team had the advantage of knowing the outcome of the discussions we had with the FDA. We made that known to them so that they were completely informed about our intentions to or our proposal with the FDA to have the additional data in the first half of next year. And then, so that shaped their thinking as well and made it feasible for us to align on a proposal where those data would be provided as supplementary information during the clock stop.

Speaker 10

Okay, understood. And can I guess quickly, how to protect, I'd love to hear your thoughts around kind of the competitive Phase two data that we have seen, I guess, relatively recently from some of the larger players out there?

Speaker 2

Sure. I'll ask Noah to give some thoughts on the other treatments being developed.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I think what's exciting is there's a number of studies now ongoing in this field and it really does validate. Sorry, there's a number of studies going on. Can you hear me now? I apologize.

Speaker 10

Yes, we can hear you.

Speaker 3

So there's a number of ongoing studies as you pointed out. I think the key is two points. Number one, most of the work that's being done is currently in immune suppressive IST camp. And even some of the lower dose steroids are still within that realm. And so I think one of the strengths of sparsentan being a non immunosuppressive therapy is I think there's still a huge opportunity there for sparsentan in non immunosuppressive therapies, you know, because those steroid and immunosuppressive treatments have the potential for tolerability concerns and long term safety issues.

So I think those mechanisms need to really be borne out from a safety standpoint long term. I think sparsentan really has the ability with its efficacy and safety profile to really be a standard of care, you know, treatment. And I think the so I think that's the main thrust. The other piece is that we don't see any reason why, and we've seen we've used it on top of immunosuppressive therapy and still seen an effect of sparsentan incrementally. So we don't see a reason why sparsentan could be used, in a complementary manner as well on top of those treatments.

So you know, it doesn't really change, our approach. We're really pretty far in the lead here. But again, it's good for patients, and we think these different mechanisms will ultimately hopefully be complementary to each other.

Speaker 10

Understood. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tim.

Speaker 0

Your next question comes from Greg Harrison with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Another one on pegtobatinib. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the commercial potential that you see for this asset. And if you can talk a little bit about how it fits into your portfolio and what considerations you would take into account when it comes to future BD activity? I know the focus is kind of sparsentan now, but just wanted to get your sense of what may happen in the future as far as BD and what size of deals you'd consider?

Speaker 2

Sure. Greg, thanks so much for the question. So with regard to the commercial potential in classical homocystinuria, if we look at The U. S. And Europe, there's about three thousand three thousand five hundred patients that we believe are currently addressable.

And we think that that underestimates the real opportunity to help these patients, given that many of them go undiagnosed for years, despite having homocystinuria as part of the newborn screening in many states. And that's just because of the methodology that's used. Oftentimes these patients go undetected. And so we think through increased awareness and the availability of potential therapeutics and clinical trials that that will only increase. So there's a real opportunity in The US and Europe there.

We think that it fits very nicely into our portfolio. It's a rare disease that is oftentimes these patients, if they are diagnosed early, are treated under the care of a pediatric geneticist and oftentimes across different specialties at tertiary care centers that focus on rare disease. And we have through our coal bond business a very strong team that has relationships and capabilities in navigating the diagnostic odyssey and helping clinicians treat and diagnose patients currently with bile acid disorders for Cobalt. But we think that it's going to be very similar with the efforts around classical homocystinuria if pegtobatinase is approved. And we think that that serves as a nice example of how we might think about business development where we're going to continue to stay focused in rare disease.

And within rare disease therapeutically, we're going to be looking at that rare renal, hepatic or metabolic where we will be able to leverage our late stage development commercialization footprint. In terms of size of deal, that certainly can evolve over time. It's going to be something that we will continue to look at. But it's not something that I'd be able to provide more specifics at this point.

Speaker 11

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ray.

Speaker 0

Your next question comes from Michelle Gilson with Canaccord. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I guess one clarifying question. So from your discussion around your EMA interaction, it sounds like the key difference between, I guess, what was discussed with the FDA and the EMA it was really in this, I guess, interim look that you guys I guess, second interim look that you guys may take, in the first half of next year. Am I gathering this correctly?

Or is there some other, I guess, driver behind the EMA's willingness to allow you to file like, I don't know, like greater reliance on proteinuria as a surrogate or, you know, more comfort in the eGFR data that you showed them or if it's the conditional, I guess, mechanism for approval that they have as an option? And then I do have a follow-up.

Speaker 2

Okay. Bill, would you like to take that?

Speaker 7

Certainly. You know, I think it's difficult to compare the two agencies and their responses because they're different processes, and they go through, you know, independent review processes. Ultimately they're performing the same function. But they did see the same data. They had the benefit of being aware of the strategy that we were taking or proposing to take with the agency and the supplementary eGFR data next year.

And so that was really the biggest difference. And at that point it was, you know, around how do we work that into the review process, and how might that be done with the mechanics of what's permissible, when can you put in additional data and under what types of reviews that's allowable. That was really the key difference there.

Speaker 12

Got it. And you know on PPT05A I know there's been a lot of interest in or pegbenatinib tonight. I just you know I'm wondering if you could clarify, you know, you seem to be confident that either this dose or the next dose are probably the effective dose or the go forward dose. And, know, is that really based on blinded data or is there some other factors? And then I guess would you expect I guess are you seeing anything in the safety that would really prevent you from going higher if you wanted to achieve the target product profile that you're looking for?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Michelle. Bill, why don't you take this?

Speaker 7

Well this is a blinded study. And we will have an interim look at the data at the completion of the current dose cohort. But we do look at the blinded study data in aggregate. At this point, there are no safety concerns that we're observing that look to be dose limiting safety issues. Now I say that from a position of not having full access to the data.

So there's a qualifier on there. But that's really not, where our limits lie. We do believe that it's likely to be this dose or the next dose. But that's going to be determined by the data, and when we're able to analyze all the biochemical data going forward. So we should be able to give you at least a qualitative update, later this year, on how that looks, going forward.

Speaker 12

Can I dig into that just a little bit more? Why I guess I'm trying to figure out if you could provide some perspective on why you're so confident that this dose or the next dose are probably going to be the go forward?

Speaker 2

Well, I would say it's I wouldn't read it as confidence that it will be the dose. I think we're confident in the decision criteria that we're making. The design was well laid out. We now have that latest dose cohort fully enrolled. And I think on a blinded basis, as Bill mentioned, we're seeing what we would expect and hope.

So I think for us, it's how do we make sure we continue to execute and make the right decision as we evaluate whether this is the right dose or if we want to go higher. So I think that's really the way that I would characterize our thinking on this. And everything that we see is very consistent with a lot of the preclinical data and the hypothesis that drove the development program.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you so much for taking my questions. Congrats on the quarter.

Speaker 0

Your next question comes from Maury Raycroft with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Hi, everyone. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking my question. I was wondering for the IGAN Phase three, you're enrolling patients without washout for this study and so they switched over to Urbisartan or sparsentan from their optimized RAS inhibitor treatment. So can you talk more about if these patients have worsening UPCR when they are starting in the Phase three or is their eGFR stable? And then separately, what are your latest expectations on how irbesartan will perform in PROTECT based on Urbisartan outperforming in DUPLEX?

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thanks so much for the questions. Noah, I'll pass this one over to you.

Speaker 3

Question, Maury, if I heard you correctly, was about the washout in PROTECT. And so when these patients come in, they're INCORETECT required to be on maximally tolerated dose of ACE or ARB treatment. And so the idea is they switch to irbesartan. We're currently blinded. So we don't know what happens to those patients.

But the presumption is that there's a potential, with the lack of a washout and the maximum tolerated doses to have, you know, an optimal ACE arm onboard, which could then help us, you know, to really show the difference between the ERA inhibition on top of the angiotensin. Whereas when you have non optimally or not maximized doses, it's a bit of a confounder there, right? Which may also be clotting things a little bit. So I think that's the first point around the washout. What was the second can you just repeat the second question again?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's really the

Speaker 3

second sorry,

Speaker 13

go ahead. Yes, go ahead. Go ahead, Chris.

Speaker 2

Yes, no, no, Sorry, I was just going add no, the question was around irbesartan. But before we go to that, I think the other aspect is just important is the inclusionexclusion criteria for PRO2TECT, which really does reflect that despite these patients being on max tolerated ACE or ARB, they still are considered at risk. They're based on their UPC and presumably their eGFR. So these are patients that would not be considered well controlled by treatment guidelines or by the nephrology community. So we would fully expect that there would be continued decline in their renal function over time, just as a background of what we understand about this disease.

Sorry, I thought that was an important point to mention. And then we can go on Maury's question around what to expect in the irbesartan book.

Speaker 3

So yes, what to expect in irbesartan? So on that front, I would say if you look at the literature across the studies, we're seeing in the teens up to twenty percent or thirty percent reduction in proteinuria with angiotensin blockade. But within a controlled setting, the most recent analog it showed about a five percent difference. And so I think we've got it's possible that we'll see something similar to five percent or somewhere between that and the other studies. But I think the important piece again is that we've got the maximally tolerated dose here, which is close to the optimized orbsortin dose.

So we hope that we're thinking there would be less of a difference there and ultimately be able to really test the ERA on top of angiotensin II hypothesis ultimately. That's the goal.

Speaker 13

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks for answering my questions.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I'll just add one more thing, Maury. We've accounted for all those scenarios in our powering plans and we have all that covered in our stat plans. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Next question comes from Laura Chico with Wedbush Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 14

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess first one, we've gotten this one frequently from investors. I just wanted to clarify, it's around the disclosures you provided so far around eGFR from Duplex and contrasting that versus what we've learned from others like your competitor, Caliditas. So I'm wondering what read through you see from their filing in IGAN towards your own with respect to, I guess, FDA's commitment to surrogate endpoints, but then also kind of around the eGFR disclosure strategy?

And then I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker 2

Sure. Laura, thanks so much for the question. I'll take this one. I'd say, first, the trial designs are different. And so while other companies have disclosed eGFR data from IGAN trials, those disclosures and those analyses are based on the completion of the treatment phase of trial.

And so they are not ongoing blinded studies in the same way that PROTECT and DUPLEX are. And so there's just a slightly different way of managing the disclosure of data from an ongoing trial. And I think that that certainly has been informed by our continued engagement with regulators. Now with regard to how any potential read through, I mean, and foremost, it's great to see the innovation and the positive results within the space that have just been lacking for decades. Whether that's going to be incrementally confidence building for the FDA or not, I'm not quite sure.

We certainly cannot speak for them. Reflecting the conversations that we've had with top nephrologists, it certainly is incrementally confidence building. All of the data that's come out in this space that continue to show that interventions that improve proteinuria are also improving eGFR over time. So that's certainly what we're hearing from the nephrology community. I think we're optimistic and we'll continue to work on data package that will demonstrate that with sparsentan with regulators.

Hopefully that helps to answer your question.

Speaker 14

Does, Eric. Thank you very much. And then I just have one follow-up. And this is perhaps a broader, higher level strategic question on sparsentan. But if you would you still seek approval for FSGS if an accelerating filing cannot be completed?

And I guess kind of related to that, you're going to have a bit more understanding on where the agency stands following your Type A meeting. Would you, I guess, look to pursue a similar strategy if you had to in IGAN if it didn't work out to have an accelerated filing right away after the interim assessment?

Speaker 2

Yeah, thank you for the question. I think when I said that we're undeterred in whatever challenges we face, I think that certainly extends to the scenario that you just laid out. If for some reason we cannot gain alignment with the FDA in our Type A meeting, we're going to continue this trial out through the confirmatory endpoint. And we'll have the data on PRO2TECT next month. We're still blinded, but once we see the interim, we'll be able to see how clear that accelerated pathway is or if we need to have similar types of conversations with them and the opportunity for accelerated approval.

But we're committed to the space. I continue to hear from the patient community how important these programs are. And we're not going to let any of these aspects of the programs deter us.

Speaker 14

Thank you so much, Eric. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

All right. Thank you, Laura.

Speaker 0

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Chris Klein.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you, Jerome. And thank you all for joining us today.

Speaker 7

We look forward to speaking with

Speaker 1

you again when we have top line results from the interim proteinuria assessment and PROTECT study next month. I hope you all have a great rest

Speaker 2

of the week. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.