Ternium - Earnings Call - Q1 2019
May 2, 2019
Transcript
Speaker 0
My name is Michelle, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Caternium First Quarter twenty nineteen Results. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr.
Sebastian Marti. Please go ahead.
Speaker 1
Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. My name is Sebastian Marti, and I am Ternium's Investor Relations Director. Ternium issued a press release earlier today detailing its results for the first quarter twenty nineteen. This call is complementary to that presentation.
Joining me today are Mr. Maximo Vedoya, Ternium's CEO and Mr. Pablo Brizzio, Ternium's CFO, who will discuss the company's business environment and performance. At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open up the call to your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward looking information and that actual results may vary from those expressed or implied.
Factors that could affect results are contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and on Page two in today's webcast presentation. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Bedoya.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Sebastian. Good morning and thank you very much for participating in our conference call today. It's a pleasure to talk with all of you. As usual, I'll make a very brief comment about the state of the steel industry in our main markets and then Pablo will review our performance in the first quarter of the year. And lastly, we have a Q and A session.
In the first quarter of the year, we had an increase in steel volume mainly driven by a higher sales of slabs to third parties from our Brazilian facility and also by slightly higher sales in Mexico. This last one a positive development considering this market has been challenging lately. EBITDA for the quarter was $470,000,000 a slight decrease compared to the 2018 in line with our expectations. We continue showing a good level of EBITDA margins with 17% in the quarter. Finally, we had a free cash flow of €269,000,000 also an attractive level.
Let's turn to Mexico now. Steel consumption in Mexico decreased close to four percent in 2018 according to the worst deal which released these numbers last week. We believe our market share increased in 2019 and also in the 2019. Our shipment to the industrial market in the country are doing fine, mainly driven by good end user demand in The U. S.
Although there is a moderate destocking at some automotive service centers that is weighing a little in volumes in Mexico. On the other hand, our shipment to the commercial market more related to construction activity and infrastructure investment have been weak since at least the 2018 as a result of lower public and private investment, a situation that will likely continue for some time. Key issues to monitor in this market are eventual ratification of the USMCA or what will happen if this is not ratified and if the old NAFTA will continue in place and also the eventual removal of Section two thirty two tariff for Mexico and Canada. I believe that the ratification of the USMCA would unlock several new projects that need to see this happen to reduce uncertainty on new investments. Mexico has taken the necessary steps.
This week, the labor reform was approved in the Congress of Mexico and this was the last step that The U. S. Was requiring so to put in motion the ratification of the new agreement. Status realized price in Mexico has been decreases in the last couple of quarters reflecting the delay effect of the price downturn that beginning the market in the 2018 through the beginning of this year. Spot prices in the North American region has remained in a narrow range since then.
The delay of realized prices to reflect prevailing prices is a result of having around half of our sales in Mexico under contracts with the majority of them resetting prices every three months. Turning now to Argentina, the economic situation in the countries continue to be volatile and interest rate and inflation remained at a higher levels. Although, this market continued to show low levels of demand, January was the bottom in shipments and we are seeing a gradual recovery since then and the second quarter helped also by the ending of the destocking in the value chain that begin during the 2018. With the visibility we have today, shipments in Argentina could increase a little over 10% in the second quarter compared to this quarter. In Brazil, our slab facility in Rio is doing well and we expect it to sequentially increase sales in the second quarter of the year with higher shipments to third parties.
Regarding CapEx, the 2019 showed a sequential increase to $210,000,000 as the investment for the new hot rolling mill in Mexico are increasing when the project advance. We expect CapEx to continue growing in the coming quarters in line with our full year target of between $900,000,000 and $1,000,000,000 By mid year, we should start up the new painting line in Pesqueria facility and in the second half, we should bring online the new galvanized line. On the other hand, the works for the new hot rolling mill are progressing on schedule as are the works for the new steel bar and coil mill in Colombia. All right, with this, I stop here. Please Pablo go ahead with the comments about our results in the first quarter.
Speaker 3
Thanks, Maximo. Good morning and thank you again for participating in our conference call. Let's review our performance in the first quarter of this year starting in Page three of the World Cup presentation. As you can see in the upper left side chart, in the 2019, we reported EBITDA of $470,000,000 slightly lower sequentially as expected. This reflects a weaker pricing environment, mainly Mexico and relatively low shipment level in the Southern region.
Likewise, turning EBITDA margins in the first quarter decreased to $147 per ton or 17% of net sales, as you can see in this slide. As for net income in the 2019, we reported $225,000,000 or $1.11 per ADS on healthy operating income and moderated financial losses as our net indebtedness remains relatively low. Yet when compared to the fourth quarter of last year, earnings per ADS decreased $0.68 of which $0.32 were related to non recurrent lower deferred tax in the fourth quarter twenty nineteen in connection with an asset revaluation for tax purposes in Argentina that we described last quarter. We will analyze drivers of these changes in EBITDA and net income in the following slides. We will now review in the next page our shipments performance.
In the first quarter, steel volume increases with higher shipments in Mexico and in other markets partially offset by lower shipments in the southern region. As you can see in the bottom right hand chart, slab shipments to third parties increased. The combination of these developments resulted in consolidated steel shipment increasing 8% sequentially. As Maximo mentioned, shipments in Mexico increased sequentially. Compared to the same quarter in 2018, shipment decreased mainly due to weakness in the Mexican commercial market as well as very strong shipment in the prior year period due to steel prices rising strongly in the first half of the year.
Looking forward to the second quarter, we anticipate relatively stable shipments in Mexico. In Argentina, shipment decreased sequentially in the first quarter due to the combination of weaker steel demand, the persistence of the stocking process in the value chain and the negative effect of seasonality. Looking forward to the second quarter, shipments are expected to sequentially increase despite a weak economic forecast. The anticipated increase should result from a gradual recovery of the local steel market and eventual conclusion of the destocking in the country steel industrial value chain. Based on all these factors, we anticipate for the second quarter twenty nineteen on a consolidated basis, moderately higher steel shipments compared to the first quarter.
Turning to the next page. Net sales increased 4% sequentially in the first quarter. As the 8% increase in shipment volume that we have just saw were partially offset by a 4% decrease in consolidated revenue per ton as shown in the lower left side chart. Let's turn now to Page six to review in more details the drivers of EBITDA and net results in the first quarter of the year. The main driver behind the slight sequential decrease in EBITDA were weaker prices, partially offset by higher shipments.
In the second quarter twenty nineteen, we expect to report slightly lower EBITDA level as a result of a lower still normalizing stream margin, partially offset by moderately higher shipments. We anticipate lower revenue per ton in Mexico at contract price in the second quarter that continues to reflect the steel price downturn from July through January. On the second chart, we can see the main drivers behind the decrease in third quarter net income. Financial results mainly reflected the effect of the fluctuation of local currency against the U. S.
Dollar on Ternium's Argentine and Mexican subsidiaries, which was actually the opposite to what happened in the previous quarter, either depreciation or appreciation of the currency in each case. The increase in effective tax rate in the third quarter twenty nineteen mainly reflected what we already mentioned, which was a non recurring $104,000,000 tax gain in the fourth quarter twenty eighteen due to the effect of an asset revaluation for tax purposes on Ternium's Argentine subsidiary. Please turn now to Page seven, which is the last page of the presentation, where you can see the evolution of free cash flow, capital expenditure, net debt and dividend. Free cash flow in the first quarter twenty nineteen reached strong $269,000,000 In this quarter, working capital decreased by $167,000,000 Capital expenditure were $210,000,000 in the period and are expected to increase in coming quarter as Maximo mentioned. Finally, turning the debt, further decreased to $1,500,000,000 at the March, reflecting the strong free cash flow in the period.
This is equivalent to a comfortable level of 0.6 times last twelve months EBITDA. On the lower right corner, you can see how Ternium's dividend payment has been increasing consistently over the years. Our Board of Directors proposed to our shareholders a dividend of $1.2 that if approved at next Monday meeting will be paid on May 14 and represents a dividend yield of around 5%. Okay. That were our initial remarks.
So we can now take your questions. Please operator proceed with the Q and A session.
Speaker 0
Your first question comes from Carlos Elba from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Speaker 2
So first question has to
Speaker 4
do with the outlook for volumes particularly or I guess both in Argentina and Mexico. The two countries are experiencing very unique or interesting dynamics. And so you already mentioned what you see for the second quarter. But is there any visibility or at least your expectations as to how the second half of the year could evolve in both of your main markets? And then on Argentina, could you please give us any update, any colors as far as you can comment on the legal investigation on potential legal payments in to the former Argentine government by the Tequine Group and how this may or may not influence Ternium?
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you very much Carlos for your question. Let me start with the first one. Volumes first in Argentina as I told you, the lower shipment was in January and then they start to increase mainly because the destocking was over. Shipments in the second quarter will be if things continue like this, a little bit more than 10% the shipments we have in the first quarter. And we expect today the third quarter to be a little bit more higher.
Argentina, the thing that is happening is that they have an election and it's not an easy election. And so what will happen in the third quarter and fourth quarter is still have a lot of uncertainty to be honest and it depends a little bit of the political side. Today, as I said, I think the second quarter is very solid at what we said. And the third quarter, we expect a little bit more. Mexico, it's not in the part of Argentina.
I mean Mexico, we increased a little bit the shipments, although the market was down. As I told you that the numbers of world steel said that the consumption in Mexico decreased 4% in 2018. The new numbers for 2019 is an increase of one a little bit more than 1%, but it is very, very small. Nevertheless, we expect shipments in the second quarter to be in line with those in the first quarter. And we expect that it should have a recovery in the third and fourth quarter.
That's our estimations today, not a huge recovery because I mean the predictions of all economies in Mexico is that Mexico is going to grow between 1% or 1.5% this year. And so there's not going to be a lot of increase in the volume, although we don't see any decrease in the volume with that. The second question was the investigation regarding the investigation of Argentina. I don't know if you saw the last news, but the Argentina Court of Appeals found that there was no evidence to link our Chairman to the notable cases. As a result, the court reversed the preliminary decision.
It's called in Spanish, I don't know the exact word in English, issued by the first instance judge investigation the notebook case with respect to Mr. Roca, to our Chairman. And let me remind you that Ternium as a company is not involved in any investigation at this time.
Speaker 4
Understood. Thank you, Marcelo. And if I may squeeze another question there is, how do you see the margin evolution beyond the second quarter? I mean, you already mentioned a slightly lower EBITDA margin in the second quarter. But in the second half with everything that is moving on, the lags in Mexico in prices, the stable prices in The U.
S. With a lot of uncertainty recently and then higher iron ore volumes sorry, prices that may squeeze your margins in Brazil and Argentina?
Speaker 2
Yes. There's a lot of things going on. Let me but there are two main events that will clearly show what is going to happen in the second and third quarter. The first is the prices in The U. S.
That are kind are linked to the prices in Mexico. Prices in The U. S. As you saw are coming down. The differences between the market in the prices in Mexico and the prices in The U.
S. Decreased a lot lately, mainly because U. S. Prices fall more than the Mexican prices. Now what is going in The U.
S? The U. S, the demand is good. I mean, there's no problem of a demand. I think it's more of a problem of a supply.
Imports are coming down, but not at a speed that I think The U. S. Producers expected. And U. S.
Production is coming up. I mean, they are working at 83%, 84% of capacity for the last couple of months. So there's more supply for a market that is healthy, but it's not that healthy. So today the decrease in prices is mainly due to local competition. What is going to happen during the second quarter?
I think imports are going to start coming down more speedy than they were because there's no margin for imports to pay 25% and compete with The U. S. Local producers. So by the third quarter, we expect that prices are going to start recovering a little bit. And I don't think it's going to start in the second quarter as some analysts are saying, but I think they are going to start to recover in the third quarter because again, demand is good and the imports should start coming down because at the prices The U.
S. Producers are selling, there's no room for imports. That's for The the price other side is iron ore. I mean, the accident of Vale, iron ore increases by almost $30 a ton. I mean, were $7.67.68 dollars and went up today, I think they are $94.95 dollars a ton.
This is almost not all, but a big part of that is already reflected in the first quarter because as you know, we have adjusting time delivery from Vale, so the prices are adjusted on a daily basis. And so we don't expect iron ore to continue growing prices. I think that on the contrary, they should decrease a little bit. Now that things in Brazil are starting to look a little bit more normal in the mining sector. I mean, think there was an over exaggeration in closing mines that were perfectly in good state.
And now I think the different authorities are seeing that some of the mines has to be closed, but not all of them. And so for example, in Vale, they open up one of the mines, Buruputum, they started production again. So I think that the supply side of the iron ore is going to start normalizing, although there is going to be a little bit less production, it's going to start normalizing. So prices in iron ore should stay stable or going a little bit down. But as I said, we have already reflected that in our cost because that is almost on a daily basis.
Perfect. Thank you very much, Maximo. Welcome.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Caio Ribeiro from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
Speaker 4
Yes. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for the opportunity. So my first question is again on the flat steel prices in The U. S. I just wanted to explore this a little bit further.
Given that you said that imports, they should start coming down and prices recovering in third quarter, I just wanted to see when you expect that that should start filtering through into your earnings. Would that show as a recovering net revenue per ton more towards fourth quarter or closer to first quarter twenty twenty? And then secondly, on the new NAFTA agreement, I just wanted to see if you could give us an update on whether there have been any new developments regarding the Section two thirty two tariffs for Mexico, whether they're going to be removed or not and what your expectations are on the final result of this? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you very much, Caio. Prices start going up in the third quarter, it's going to be reflected in our fourth quarter, not in the third quarter. Although a little bit can in the spot market or what we said in the spot market should be reflected a little bit in the third quarter, but mostly in our fourth quarter. So that's the first question. New NAFTA agreement and February.
As I said, new NAFTA agreement, one of the things that were holding The U. S. To present the new NAFTA agreement to the Congress was the label law in Mexico because that was a commitment that Mexico made to The U. S. When they signed the agreement the November.
So today there is nothing holding the U. S. Government to present the agreement and that time start running to confirm the agreement. Again, I don't know what The U. S.
Is going to do regarding this, but I know that the U. S. Administration and the government of Mexico are talking and they are meeting together during this week and next week to discuss how this is going to be implemented or what is the strategy to implement and get the NAFTA approved in the three Congress. February, I think February, I think we I mean, there's going to be an agreement or there should be an agreement on February before the NAFTA is approved. Mexico government is pushing hard that there should be no two thirty two to Mexico.
I mean, as we have a new NAFTA that is stronger and it's stronger on a lot of things regarding steel, one of them. There should be no I mean, Mexico should be exempted of two thirty two. And I think The U. S. Wants to have an agreement, but this agreement should be based on mutual quarters.
So Mexico put quarters without tariff to The U. S. And The U. S. Give quotas without tariff to Mexico.
So those are the two positions. And again, I think during these weeks, this should be discussed and we should have an agreement before the NAFTA is signed.
Speaker 4
Perfect. That's very clear. Thank you.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Thiago Lasego from BBI. Your line is open.
Speaker 5
Hi, thank you. Two questions on steel prices in The U. S. And Mexico. Where is the current gap between Mexico and U.
S. Steel prices in the moment? And where do you expect this gap to normalize? And also related to the pricing question here, specifically in The U. S, How concerned are you guys with the capacity expansions in The U.
S? Second question regarding slab sales to third parties, where should we see those slab sales to third parties evolve in the coming quarters? And what is your view on lead pricing and supply and demand dynamics, please? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thiago, I'll start with the first question and then I ask you to repeat part of the first question because there was a noise in the line at least here. Prices in Mexico, the gap between prices in Mexico, it's very small today. I mean, you remember a few quarters ago when February went into place, there was more than $100 I think we said I don't remember exactly the number that we said, but the gap has increased. Today, the gap is much smaller than that. It's almost insignificant.
In some cases, 20, in some cases a little bit more, but no more than that. And then depends on the market and on the moment. The second part of the question was about capacity where because I we couldn't hear it very well. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5
Sure. Yes, it was about just how concerned are you guys with capacity expansions in The U. S. And what kind of impact do you guys foresee in terms of steel prices in The U. S.
And in Mexico? But before that, just you mentioned the $20 per ton gap between U. S. And Mexico. Now Do you think that should be the normalized level?
Or do you see room for that number to change?
Speaker 2
The price gap depends entirely on how the $2.32 is resolved, to be honest. And depending on how it's resolved, it's going to be how the two thirty two evolve. Another thing that, of course, narrow the gap was that if you remember, the Mexican government renew, sorry, the sale what we have for steel products. Last quarter, we talked about these, the sale was not removed renew, it was removed or was not extended. But one month ago, the new government understand the situation of the steel industry and so that they renew the sale.
So that's another important fact for that gap to be much lower. But the final gap will depend on how February is resolved between Mexico and The U. S. And between U. S.
And the rest of the world. Expansion in The U. S, I mean, again, if we have an agreement on the two thirty two, The U. S. Will be limited to export to Mexico.
So to the volumes they're exporting today, so there's not going to be any concern with this new capacity. I mean, this new capacity is going to fight clearly, it's going to fight imports in The U. S. Or local players local players in The U. S.
So I don't think it's going to affect very much the Mexican market to be honest. Understood. And the second question, Thiago, was about for third parties. Again, it was a noise and I'm very sorry I have to repeat. I have you repeat.
Speaker 5
Sure. No problem. So where do you expect slab sales to third parties to evolve or where to do you expect slab sales to evolve in the coming quarters? And what's your view on slab pricing and supply and demand dynamics?
Speaker 2
Well, slabs, I mean, we have the flexibility to sell to ship slabs to our facility in Mexico or to sell to third parties. And to be honest, we analyze every quarter what to do. And that's why in some quarters we ship more to Mexico or in some quarters we ship more to third parties. In the second quarter, we are going to ship more to third parties. In the third quarter, probably a little bit less.
And in the fourth quarter, even less and more to Mexico. But that's if you see our history, it's like that in the past two. And so I mean, that's my vision. Market for slabs, I mean, slabs we have market to sell slabs. So we don't have a problem with that.
Prices increases of slabs in the last month because of iron ore, not because of the market. I think today they are decreasing a little bit and it should decrease a little bit in the next month, because the increase was due mainly because of iron ore and not because of the market. Okay. Thank you, Massimo.
Speaker 0
Next question comes from John Branch from HSBC. Your line is open.
Speaker 6
Hi, good morning gentlemen. Thanks for the opportunity. First, I wanted to ask you about the slabs and the impact that that's that had on this quarter and maybe the impact that it will have on the next couple of quarters just on the margin. How much of I mean, my assumption is that the slab margin is less than sort of your overall margin. So I'm wondering if you could sort of clarify or quantify how much of an impact that the increased slab sales had on the margin this quarter and maybe what it looks like for the next quarter or two if it's a significant impact.
And secondly, I just wanted to ask you about the possibility of listing in Argentina. You've mentioned this in years past about potentially doing this to close the valuation gap between yourself and peers. I'm wondering with everything going on in Argentina, if that's still a possibility, if there's been any discussions with the government about potentially buying out their Cidarar stake. Anything you could add would be much appreciated. Thank you.
Speaker 3
Hi, John. This is Paulo speaking. Let me take this your questions. In relationship to the slab margin impact in Ternium, of course, there is some and we try to anticipate this from the very beginning when we acquired the operations of TISEN in Brazil. Clearly, the margin of selling slabs slower than margin of selling finished products, especially the ones that we're selling in Mexico to the automotive sector.
Clearly, we will increase the size of the sales to third parties of slabs, then you will see some reflection of that in the total margin. That was in part what happened during this first quarter since we have two effects. One, a reduction in prices that we have already described and maximally described at length. And the other one was the increase in total shipments of lapsed to third parties that also put some pressure in the total price and that was the part of the decrease. We are expecting to have a similar, even higher shipment slabs in the coming quarter.
And then as Maximo mentioned, probably this is reduced in entering into or at the end of the second semester. That will have the opposite situation where we'll help by changing the mix, having a better pricing for Ternium in all things being equal. So clearly, it has an impact depending on the product as you sell, depending on the changes in prices in the market where we are. But this is something that we try to anticipate with from the very beginning because clearly, it's not exactly the same. And sometimes we are showing an increase in volume, sometimes a decrease in volumes.
At the very end, the total level of production or the total level of shipments either to us or to third parties probably is basically the same, evolving quarter after quarter because as you know, we are having a plan to increase that level. Going to your second question. Yes, you're right. We have discussed this in the past. We have this as a possible opportunity to unlock some value.
But clearly, as we also described in the last couple of quarters, this is something that will require the acceptance, first of all, of the shareholders in our subsidiary in Argentina, that is basically the government to be part of a transaction of this kind and basically listing the subsidiary in Argentina, which is something that we consider is not feasible to realize, especially during an election year like the one that we have today in Argentina. So unfortunately, it's nothing that we can think of during this year.
Speaker 6
Okay. Just to follow-up on the price and the slab impact on EBITDA. If I look at the quarter in your slides, you said there was about $113,000,000 of negative EBITDA from the price and mix. I mean, could you sort of break that out? I mean, how much of it was from a reduction in prices and how much of it was from, I guess, a lower mix?
Speaker 3
Well, John, you know that we too detailed information to give. Clearly, most significant part of the increase that we have during this quarter is in the volume side. We have a significant increase in volume to third parties as you look in Page four of our webcast presentation, there was an increase of 28% in the volume of of sales in other markets, which is basically sales of slabs to third parties. So clearly, they are where you have an impact. And again, the margin that we're showing of in Ternium is around $150 per ton or 17% EBITDA margin.
Clearly, the number from selling slabs is a little lower than these numbers.
Speaker 6
Great. Thanks, Pavel.
Speaker 3
You're welcome.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from the line of Timna Ganers from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.
Speaker 7
Yes. Hey, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 2
Hello?
Speaker 7
Hello. I wanted to I follow-up wanted to say, first of all, that your explanation of The U. S. Market conditions is the best I've heard from anyone this season. So thank you for that, Most coherent and Let's end the conference now.
But I did want to follow on Thiago's question about the new capacity in The U. S. Because I know you said it wouldn't affect the Mexican market as much, but a couple of the new entrants or the additional capacity is specifically targeting the Mexican market. So wondering if and even mentioning Ternium's capacity as maybe a competitor. So I know it's not till 2022, but just wondering if you think there'll be enough demand to absorb it.
And then just more on the near term Mexican market conditions. So one question is about the 2022 timeframe. But the other one is really why so much destocking seasonally usually there'd be restocking. Is that just a mismatch in order entry people got too optimistic? And do you think we're near complete in that process?
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thank you, Tina. Thank you very much for the first part of your comment. It's true. Look, clearly, I mean, Mexico and The U.
S. Has always compete. That's for sure. I mean, so new capacity in Mexico or new capacity in The U. S, we are going to compete no doubt.
What I said first is, it depends a lot on February. I mean, I don't know if they say publicly, and and and you can can answer that. But what I heard from US producers as is that they expect two thirty two to be in place for a long time. No? And two thirty two is gonna be solved.
What they are expecting to solve two thirty two is with quotas. And the proposal of The U. S. Is quotas in both sides. So The U.
S. Is not going to be able to export more than 3,000,000 tons that they export today to Mexico. So if you limit the amount of exports that The U. S. Can go to Mexico, there's not going to be any impact in Mexico.
Speaker 0
That's one
Speaker 2
part. The other part is you said, there's no going to be two thirty two and both countries are going to be free to export one another. And clearly in that case, there's going to be competition. But also both Mexico and The U. S.
Are huge importers of steel. And there are still are huge importers and The U. S. Besides two thirty two. So yes, I think there is going to be demand, but we are going to have to fight imports.
And again, Mexico consumption is not probably this year because of what I said first. But remember consumption in Mexico is 180, 190 kilos per capita. In The U. S. It's three fifty.
In China, it's more than 600. So when Mexico start growing, which I expect it does and start growing its manufacturing base, taking advantage of the new naphtha and especially taking advantage of what is happening in China, consumption in Mexico should increase much higher than increasing GDP. So yes, without February clearly The U. S. Will try or The U.
S. This new U. S. Capacity will try to compete with Ternium, with ANSA and all the Mexican players. But I think there is a demand increase to attend that fighting imports.
But without two thirty two, we are also going to fight each other. That's for sure. The destocking I was talking about was in service centers for the automobile industry. There are some if you see the production of cars in Mexico, there was a slight not decrease, but not increase, which was what was expected. And so that's why The U.
S. The service centers that serve the automobile market, not the other industrial market has a little bit more of stock. And that's what I said in the beginning, Dina.
Speaker 0
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
Speaker 0
Your next question comes from Alfonso Salazar from Scotiabank. Your line is open.
Speaker 8
Good morning, Maximo and Pablo. I have two questions. The first one relates to the labor reform in Mexico and the second to China. The first question is regarding the labor reform. You mentioned that it was approved recently.
Do you have any comment any of what we hear in Mexico that this is something positive for workers in the medium and long term? But there could be some unrest labor unrest in the near term. So if you can comment on that and share your view on the labor reform implications? The second question is regarding China. When you see that crude steel production is up almost 10% in the first quarter and world still projects demand to increase only 1%.
So there is a big gap between these two numbers. And of course, the first thing that comes to mind is the risk of more exports and a correction in the global price of steel. But you have to consider as well protectionism in big markets. So there are some markets that might be more exposed to if there is an increase in exports from China. And Latin America tends to be a target.
So if you can comment what would you think about exports from China, what is going on there? I think that could be very interesting to hear. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Alfonso very much. Labor reform in Mexico, I mean, it's a labor reform that gives a little bit more rights to the union and its people. I mean, if you ask me, there are probably some things that the business people are complaining and said, okay, we should have made this or that different. But I don't see it as a great change. I mean that is going to provoke a lot of unrest, at least in our steel operations.
I don't see it. I mean, we have unions for a long time. I mean, we have discussions of contract every year. So most of the things that are there, we already do it. So I don't think there's a huge impact for Tarnium at least for now.
China, what is happening in China? I mean, demand in China is increasing. And so I don't see today and if you see export in China in the first two or three months of this year has been the same as the export on China last year. And the decrease in the VAT, it's going to increase even more internal demand in China. So I don't see a huge increase in export from China in the near future.
Also restrictions environmental restrictions are coming in, in this part of the year. So I don't see this situation as one of the problems for the near future. Of course, overcapacity in China is the issue and you know all the things we're doing in all our countries. I mean most of our country have dumping duties to China and we are participating in the G20 and the OCDE Forum of Excess Capacity are going to diminish all the incentives of all the subsidies that China's industry received. But I don't see a situation in the near future where China increases dramatically exports.
Speaker 8
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Alfonso.
Speaker 0
The next question will come from Santiago Petri from Franklin. Your line is open.
Speaker 9
Yes, hi, good morning. This is a follow-up on the situation in The U. S. You mentioned that overcapacity there or the expansion in capacity will not have a big impact in quantities. But I would like to know your view on the impact of prices of higher capacity in The U.
S. I mean, with the quotas, there won't be much threat into Mexico, but higher capacity in The U. S. Theoretically would put some pressure on prices in The U. S.
And that will translate to Mexico. So I'd like to know your views on this.
Speaker 2
Again, we are talking about 2022, I think. And again, what I said is, if there is if The U. S. Continue with the February, of course, there's not going to be increase of export of The U. S.
To Mexico. That's for sure. But I guess that if imports doesn't come down, there is going to be competition in The U. S. Between U.
S. Producers. I don't know how that's going to end in 2022. I don't have that side. But I think it's a question more for The U.
S. Producers that are increasing capacity. I think they see that consumption is going to increase more that the demand is going to be higher in The U. S. And that they are going to be able to compete with imports or most likely against other U.
S. Producers up in the North.
Speaker 9
Okay. So essentially, you don't see a threat of pressure on prices, I mean, the long future twenty twenty something, no? 2022?
Speaker 2
Again, I think I see that demand should be there to absorb some part of this capacity and this capacity is also going to push imports out. Some effect on prices in The U. S. Has to happen because of this. At least as it is happening today, I mean today the prices in The U.
S. Are going down because they are fighting they are competing in each other with more capacity and I mean pushing away imports. So things like today, they are going to happen. I don't know I don't think that it's going to be a war in prices where margins would return to very, very low levels because it doesn't make any sense for people to produce with margins so low.
Speaker 9
Excellent. Thanks very much for your views.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Santiago.
Speaker 0
Next question comes from Andre Bockenheuser from UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker 10
Thank you very much. Just one follow-up question from me on the slab side of things. How does it work with the quotas into The U. S? We've kind of noticed that there is quite a bit of an inflow of semi finished steel in the first half of the year coming into The U.
S. And particularly from Brazil. Is that a reflection of slab producers from Brazil pushing as much slab into The U. S. Before the quotas are filled?
Is that how it works? Is it a supplier's push? Or are you seeing increasing orders from buyers very early in the year to kind of fill up inventories before the quotas are filled? How does that actually work, if I may ask that question? And that's all for me.
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thank you, Andreas. And the answer is both.
Speaker 10
Right. Well, straightforward there. Thank you.
Speaker 0
This will bring our Q and A session to an end. I will turn the call back to over to Ternium's CEO for closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thank you all again for participating today. And of course, contact us for any additional support you may need. Thanks again and goodbye.
Speaker 0
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