Ternium - Q3 2024

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Operator (participant)

Thank you for standing by. My name is Kayla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ternium third quarter 2024 results call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press the star and one. I would now like to turn the call over to Sebastián Martí. You may begin.

Sebastián Martí (Global IR and Compliance Senior Director)

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. My name is Sebastián Martí, Ternium's Global IR and Compliance Senior Director. Yesterday, Ternium released its financial results for the third quarter and first nine months of 2024. This call is intended to complement that presentation. I am joined today by Máximo Vedoya, Ternium's Chief Executive Officer, and Pablo Brizzio, Ternium's Chief Financial Officer, who will discuss Ternium's business environment and performance. We will open up the floor to questions following our prepared remarks. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking information and that actual results may vary from those expressed or implied. Factors that could affect results are contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and on page two in today's webcast presentation.

You will also find any reference to non-IFRS financial measures reconciled to the most directly comparable IFRS measures in the press release issued yesterday. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Vedoya.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Good morning, and thank you very much for participating in today's Ternium's third quarter earnings call. Ternium reported an adjusted EBITDA of $368 million and a net Income of $93 million for the third quarter. We experienced increased shipments across all our primary markets, and as anticipated in the last quarter's call, our margins declined, primarily due to the decrease in realized price in our main market. Let's review the status of these markets. The steel market in Mexico remains healthy, operating at consistent levels after last year's significant 14% year-over-year increase in steel consumption. In fact, in the third quarter of 2024, we had record-high shipments in this market. For the fourth quarter, we expect a decline in shipments as a result of this period being the seasonally weak of the year. Additionally, public investment has been softened recently, which is common in Mexico following a change of administration.

Once this process is completed, we expect demand from infrastructure projects to return as the new government has announced plans to launch several projects aimed at enhancing the competitiveness of Mexican industry. Looking ahead, our outlook has several bright spots. In the first quarter of next year, we expect sequential shipment growth in this market. In part, this will be the result of our new pickling line, which is boosting our capacity for automotive and industrial markets as it ramps up production. Furthermore, I am optimistic about the Mexican market in the year to come. Automotive production increased by 7% year-over-year in the first nine months of 2024 and is expected to reach 4.2 million units in 2025, which could be a record high. Finally, nearshoring trends are expected to persist, benefiting the steel markets on both sides of the border.

The new administration in Mexico recognized this opportunity for the country and has stated its commitment to pursuing a policy of industrialization and import substitution, very much in line with what we have been advocating for many years. Moving to Brazil, we see healthy industrial activity and a dynamic distribution market. Steel consumption in the Brazil market has been growing during the year, increasing 9% year-over-year in the first nine months of this year. Vehicle production is growing as well, with an expected 5% increase in 2024. On the other hand, flat steel imports jumped 20% year-over-year in these first nine months, mainly from China, as this country significantly increases steel shipments to the international markets.

As it has already happened in other countries, the Brazilian government noticed this increase in unfair trade from China and, as a result of their steel excess capacity, and put in place a one-year quota system under which steel imports above a certain quota are subject to a 25% tariff. Unfortunately, this measure hasn't yielded the expected results. Following this, several anti-dumping investigations have been initiated over imports of cold-rolled steel, coated steel, and pre-painted steel, mainly from China. These measures are promising. We encourage the Brazilian government to continue this path to prevent more deindustrialization in Brazil. Finally, let's review Argentina. Steel volumes in the Argentina market have shown a recovery over the past several quarters, both within the industrial and the commercial market.

In the fourth quarter, we expect to maintain a stable level of steel shipments despite the seasonal slowdown in activity towards the end of the year. With a long-term view, I think Argentina's industrial and construction activity will improve in 2025, favoring a recovery in local steel demand. The Argentine government is implementing an ambitious reform program that we expect will promote investment in the country. However, there is a risk in this market of an increase in imports of unfairly traded products made with steel. This will be an important issue to follow up with the Argentine authorities during next year. Our wind farm in Argentina will begin operation by year-end, boosting our use of self-generated renewable energy and reducing reliance on external sources. The project is progressing as planned, with the completion of 22 bases and the installation of 14 wind turbines to date.

We anticipate that the first unit will begin delivering energy in December, with the project expected to reach full completion by January. This represents a significant milestone in our commitment to renewable energy and decarbonization. Let me now give you an update on the progress of our expansion projects. The pickling line and three of the five lines in the new finishing center in Pesquería have started operation and are currently ramping up. These lines are at 550,000 tons per year of pickling capacity and 310,000 tons a year of customized products capacity. During the next two months, we plan to start up the two remaining lines in the finishing center. In addition, we are making steady progress on the 600,000 tons per year galvanizing line and the 1.6 million tons per year cold-rolling mill. We plan to start this operation at the end of 2025 and early 2026, respectively.

We have completed the soil movement and the civil work, and assembly of structure and buildings are advancing rapidly. Equipment shipments have already commenced. Lastly, for the construction of the 2.6 million tons per year slab-making facility in Pesquería, we have completed the cleaning and soil movement in most areas. We are making progress in the civil work, foundation, and structural installations. Also, key operational contracts have been awarded and are underway. We expect to start up this slab facility by mid-2026. The new production lines in Pesquería project will enable the company to enhance its product offering with a broader range of high-quality steel products and cater to the diverse customer needs more effectively, meeting the high-quality requirements of the automotive and appliance sectors.

Moreover, the new slab facility is expected to significantly increase Ternium's raw steel production capacity in Mexico, ensuring a steady supply of slabs from downstream processing. This facility will also enhance Ternium operation efficiency and reduce dependency on external suppliers, leading to cost savings and improved profit margins. Finally, I would like to highlight the publications of Ternium's latest sustainability report. This report includes, among other new features, an update on Ternium's decarbonization target, detailing several enhancements introduced since our initial target was set in 2021. For the first time, our target includes Scope 3 emissions, which are not directly associated with our company. This includes Category 1 emissions related to the production of semi-finished products such as slabs and billets, produced from third parties, and Category 10 emissions generated by our customers during the processing of our slabs and billets.

In addition, we have expanded the boundaries of our CO2 emissions reporting beyond crude steel to include hot-rolled steel production, and we migrate to GHG protocols methodology to improve comparability with other industries and prepare for future regulatory requirements. The updated target is a 15% reduction in emissions intensity by 2030, using 2023 as a baseline. As in previous years, our greenhouse inventory for 2023 was audited by a third party, following, as I said, both GHG protocols and raw steel methodology. With these changes to our reporting, we are among the very few companies that include Scope 3 emissions in their target. Our aim with this decision is to significantly increase transparency and accuracy in our emission report. We invite you to download the report from our website and review the extensive information on our sustainability initiatives.

The detailed insights will offer a comprehensive understanding of our commitment to sustainable practices. To wrap up my initial remarks, I would like to say I'm confident in Ternium's performance in 2025. I believe our main markets will offer several opportunities for our company with the strength of the industrial market in Mexico, the recovery of steel consumption in Brazil, and the significant reforms to Argentina's economy. In addition, I expect our margins to gradually improve during the year with lower cost of raw material and slabs, and our continued work in cost-cutting initiatives. With this, please, Pablo, you can now proceed with the review of Ternium's performance of the third quarter.

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

Thanks, Máximo, and thanks, everybody, for participating in our conference call. Let's move to the webcast presentation for a detailed overview of our operations and financial results. If we start by page three, we see that, as anticipated, our adjusted EBITDA declined this quarter. The main factors driving these results were lower realized steel prices across our main markets, which were partially offset by a small decline in steel costs per ton and an increase in shipments. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect a more sequential increase in adjusted EBITDA driven by slightly better margins, although this will be partially offset by a seasonal decrease in shipments. Turning to the next slide, net income for the third quarter was $93 million. When comparing second quarter adjusted net income to the third quarter net income, we see lower deferred tax losses and improved financial results in the third quarter, partially offset by a decline in operating income.

The FX gains in the quarter reflect the favorable effect of the Mexican peso depreciation and the Brazilian real appreciation against the US dollar, causing FX gains on Ternium's Mexico net short local currency position and Usiminas US dollar denominated debt. Let's turn to our steel segment performance on page five. This quarter, we significantly increased shipments in our key markets. Looking ahead, we anticipate a decrease in shipments in the fourth quarter due to usual year-end seasonality both in Mexico and in Brazil. Now, let's take a look at the consolidated sales and profitability of the steel segment on the next page. Despite an increase in steel shipments, sales held steady compared to the previous quarter due to the decline in revenue per ton, driven by a decrease in realized steel prices in our primary markets, which affected our margins.

The price decline was partially offset by a small decrease in steel costs per ton, as we continue to use previously bought raw material and slabs during the third quarter, and Ternium Usiminas blast furnace operations recorded efficiency gains in the period, particularly in fuel consumption. In addition, labor and maintenance costs decreased sequentially in the third quarter. Let's move on to slide seven to review the performance of our mining segment. In the third quarter, shipments rose by 13% sequentially, driven by higher production in our Mexican and Brazilian operations. Despite this quarter-over-quarter growth, net sales were relatively stable due to the offset of lower iron ore market prices. Our margins in the mining segment decreased in this quarter, mainly due to this drop in iron ore prices, while slight reduction in costs per ton helped to soften the impact of this decrease.

Let's move on to the next slide to review our cash flow performance. As of the end of September, Ternium's net cash position declined to $1.7 billion, with a decrease in cash flow from operations compared to the second quarter, primarily due to the decrease in EBITDA and an increase in working capital together with higher capital expenditure. Moving to the final slide, we can see a summary of our performance over the past five years. In the first nine months of 2024, our capital expenditure saw a significant year-over-year increase. We continue making progress, as Máximo explained, in the construction of new facilities in our Pesquería industrial center, as well as in the new wind farm in Argentina. We expect to have a total CapEx of between $1.7-$1.8 billion in 2024.

To conclude this presentation, I would like to highlight that yesterday, Ternium's board of directors announced the payment of an interim dividend of $0.90 per ADS, totaling $177 million. Over the past three years, the company has structured its dividend so that the interim payment in November represents roughly one-third of the total annual amount, with the remaining two-thirds distributed in May following shareholders' approval. We expect this time to follow a similar approach. If so, our total dividend payment corresponding to the fiscal year 2024 would represent a dividend yield of about 8% based on the current share price and a 68% payout ratio based on adjusted net income for the past 12 months. Over the past three years, additionally, the board has consistently decided to distribute a substantial dividend annually.

The current dividend decision aligns with this established practice of providing an attractive dividend yield and allocating a significant portion of net income, even during periods of increased capital expenditure. This capability is a result of Ternium's solid financial position. With this, we have concluded our initial prepared remarks. We would like now to go and to take any questions that you may have. Operator, please begin the Q&A session. Thanks.

Operator (participant)

At this time, I'd like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Our first question comes from the line of Marcio Farid with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Marcio Farid (VP)

A couple of questions on my side. Yes, can you hear me?

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Sorry, Marcio. Yeah, now yes, I think.

Marcio Farid (VP)

All right. Let me know if it's not good. Yeah, morning. Thanks for the opportunity. A couple of things on my side. I think we started the call by showing still good conviction on Mexico's demand going into next year and somewhat profitability improvement as well, lower costs. Argentina seems to be performing well, and you also showed some good conviction as well. I understand, obviously, HRC prices, benchmark prices have been lower, and that's the main reason for weaker earnings in the third quarter, right? But then the surprise was the dividend cut.

Our initial understanding is that you would sustain stable to growing dividends through the cycle, even if the cycle turned, and that's one of the reasons why balance sheet leverage has been kept at low levels to allow you to execute CapEx and at the same time keep the commitment on a flat to growing dividends, right? So it was a bit of a surprise to us, and when we hear about the constructive outlook, we're just trying to understand the reason why the board decided to cut the dividends this year. And if we can assume, eventually, we will resume the $3.3 a share that you paid last year as well. And secondly, I mean, obviously, a big topic today is the outcome of the U.S. election.

I think it's laid out some of the important actions that the Mexican administration is taking to support industrial activity in Mexico, to some extent reassuring, but also important institutionally as well. So obviously, we've seen some of the headlines suggesting higher taxation and potential tariffs on Mexico as it relates to renegotiation of the USMCA agreement. So if you can talk about that as well, your initial thoughts and risks and opportunities for Ternium being in Mexico and directly and indirectly exposed to the U.S. and North America, that would be great. Thank you.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Thank you very much, Marcio. I will start with the second part of your question, and then we go to the dividends, if you allow me. The outcome of the U.S. election, and you were very clear. I mean, I see this as an opportunity, to be honest. I think, first of all, we are out of the uncertainty. We have two new administrations, one in Mexico that already is a month in the job, and now we have one in the U.S. So I think that's something good because now people can start talking and can start working together. I think from the Mexican point of view, the new administration, President Sheinbaum, I think she understands and shares very much the concern that the U.S. and the Trump administration, especially Trump, have with China and fair trade. She has been very clear and very vocal about this.

As you know, or you probably know, several weeks ago, we participated in the U.S.-Mexico CEO Dialogue, which is a dialogue that's been going on for quite a few years between CEOs of Mexico and the U.S. And this was with the new administration in Mexico. I think there was a big consensus of all the participants that the opportunity of strengthening the North American region and to safeguard against violation of trade, especially by Asia. And in that meeting, also, people were very positive about the good outcome of the new USMCA. I mean, the new USMCA, which was negotiated in 2018, brought a lot of benefits both from Mexico but also from the U.S., which increased exports to Mexico by more than 30% in that period of time.

The other thing that the president of Mexico said in that meeting was she was very firm about the vision she had of, again, strengthening North America and reducing, I'm using her words, the trade deficit that Mexico has with Asia, about $200 billion. So I think the alignments are quite similar. I think that it's positive. The discussion has to start. There's going to be a revision of the USMCA, which, again, I think it's very good, the USMCA, but clearly, it has room to improve. So I'm positive about the outcome of these elections. I hope I answered the question or that part of the question, Marcio.

Marcio Farid (VP)

That was great. Thank you. Very detailed.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Pablo, why don't you call about dividends?

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

Yeah. Okay. Yes, Marcio. I will do that. So if you want, the board decision was for a nominal reduction of dividend payment, but if you consider on a broader spectrum, you will see that the dividend that was proposed and that was approved is a dividend that not only maintains or increases the dividend yield of the company, but significantly increases the payout ratio that the company is having and will have. Taking into consideration not only that the company has reduced the agglomeration this year, but also has reduced a little bit the total net cash position, but also taking into consideration that we are entering into the part of the CapEx plan next year, which will be higher, as you know, than this year. So all in all, what the company is doing is sustaining a very strong dividend payment with a very high level of distribution.

As I said in the opening remarks, this is possible because, as you know, we discussed many times the strong financial position that the company is having that allows us to sustain a very strong financial position while we are doing a very, very important and transformation type of CapEx, like the one that we are doing in Pesquería. In our view, what we have done with this approval of the dividend payment is basically sustaining the high level of dividend payment that the company is having. We have increased substantially the dividend payments in the last three or four years, and this continues to be the case. Of course, if you look just by the nominal number, there has been a small reduction on that one, but if you look at the all comparisons and all ratios, the dividend payment continues to be very high.

I hope to answer your question, Marcio.

Marcio Farid (VP)

Yeah. No, that's great. Is it fair to assume that then we should look at more of the dividend yields? Because obviously, share price is down by about 20% year to date, and that's helping the yields, right? But is it fair to say we should look more at the yields and the payout rather than the nominal term or dividends?

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

Exactly. Because, again, the payout ratio basically is about around 70%, which is quite high in comparison to any other companies and what we have done in the past three or four years. So we are distributing a significant amount of what we have generated during the year.

Marcio Farid (VP)

Okay. That's great. Thank you very much.

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

You're very welcome.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Alfonso Salazar with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Yes. Thank you for the call and for taking the question. And Máximo, I have another question for you. And this is regarding the steel industry in North America, not only Mexico. What is the outlook here? Because what we know is that North America is a big net importer of steel. There is more capacity needed for all these efforts for reshoring and nearshoring. But at the same time, we have this overcapacity problem globally, and it's only getting worse as China weakens, demand in China is weakening. And there are tariffs that could be implemented, but that is going to impact competitiveness in the region. And even there is a risk that there are tariffs within the North American region. We cannot rule out that possibility. So how do you see the global steel market going to balance?

Are we going to have two separate steel markets globally, one led by China and another one by North America and Europe? How is this going to unfold over the next three to five years? I would like to.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Alfonso, that's a great question, which I don't know if I have a great answer for you. Clearly, there is an overcapacity in China. There is an overcapacity in China that was made not because of market forces, but because of a Chinese government policy, or you can call it industrial policy, whatever you want. It was government incentives that create an overcapacity, not only steel, on many industries. That's a problem in itself. As I always said, it's impossible to compete with China with all the subsidies and all the schemes that the Chinese state-owned enterprises have in steel or in many, many other products. What will happen or what is happening is that most of the regions are reacting to this. North America is reacting to this. The U.S., Canada, and Mexico have implemented a series of actions. Brazil is starting to react.

Europe has already reacted. So I think we are going to have many regional markets, and that's how it's going to operate in the future. In the case of North America in particular, I think the North America region is a very competitive region to produce steel, especially low-carbon intensity steel. I mean, as you know, Mexico, probably of the big markets, of the big producers, is the lowest of CO2 emission per ton, followed by the U.S., and in a competitive way. So I think that North America itself is very competitive. And again, some of the companies in North America, including Ternium, are investing in more capacity, are investing in being able to supply all the needs of the region in a competitive way. Again, no one can compete with a state like China.

I think that it's because of that reaction that the governments are taking place. I hope I gave a short answer of a very long topic, Alfonso.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Yes. Thank you. That helps. Just one question on this. The risk of tariffs for steel going to enter the U.S., there is a risk in your view. What can Ternium do if that happens? Or what could be the strategy?

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Look, I cannot speculate today about tariffs in the U.S. As I said in the beginning, I think that this is more of an opportunity to strengthen all the North American supply chain, and I think that the administration in Mexico and the new administration or the future administration in the U.S. has a common objective in this. I'm very confident that, of course, there will be discussions and negotiations, but at the end, they are looking the same, so I guess things are going to be resolved.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Okay. So basically, what North America needs is to reduce imports from other regions. That would be the goal?

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

That's a clear objective of the President of Mexico. And she was very public about this in several things, and she even put the number of $200 billion in public. I think it's also the objective of the new or the future administration of the U.S. I think President Trump was very clear about this. And the U.S., in general, is very clear that the dependence on China is not the way to go. And the strength of a North American supply chain, I think, is beneficial for everyone. I mean, there's a lot of positive things to discuss. The integration of the energy sector in North America, that's also a very important subject that can benefit a lot the U.S. and Mexico. So I think there are very positive things to discuss, which I think will be the way. So I'm very positive about this.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Okay. Last one, I promise. This question is, in the near term, the region will need to continue importing steel from other countries. There is no way around it, right? So it may not be China.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

I'm not sure about that. I mean, I think the region, if you count Canada, U.S., and Mexico, I think we can supply most of the steel that is consumed in the region.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Yeah, but net imports were 44 million last year, so it's a big amount.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

But there you have the imports between both countries.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Right. Right.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

So you have to discount that.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Correct.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

So the net imports, you are talking about net imports of steel of less than 15 million or 20 million. And I think if we increase capacity, most of that comes on. And some of the imports come from Europe and Japan, and that's things that you can manage.

Alfonso Salazar (Senior Equity Analyst)

Correct. Okay. Yeah. That's just what I wanted to understand. Thank you so much, Máximo.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

No, thank you to you, Alfonso.

Operator (participant)

Your next question comes from the line of Henrique Braga with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Henrique Braga (Equity Research Analyst)

Hello everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions on my side. First one is regarding the steel imports in Brazil. I know you mentioned that you're in it, Máximo, about how the government is now studying and revisiting the quota system. I just wanted to know from you, what is the company doing now if you're working closely with the government, and what's the outcome that you expect from that, if the quota system is going to reduce somehow, if it's going to extend for a longer period of time, or if the tariffs are going to increase in some way, and the other one is about future investments.

I know you have an ongoing CapEx plan, but if you have some thoughts about what's the next step for Ternium after the investments in Mexico, we will plan to continue in the Americas or an expansion in any other regions. Is it a possibility? Thank you.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Thank you, Henrique. Steel imports in Brazil. I mean, the government implemented this quota system. It implemented in June, so it's very early. But I don't know if, I mean, maybe you know it, but it's a system that you have a quota, a four-month quota. So you cannot exceed supposedly that quota. Let me give you an example. This is a real number. The quota for the flat product was around 400,000 tons. That's the quota for the first four months. The imports, mainly from China, because 80% of that is China, of that quarter, instead of 400,000, was 900,000. So it's more than double, and most of those didn't pay this tariff of 25%.

What we are saying to the government, not Ternium in particular, the association is saying to the government is, as it is implemented, I mean, I don't know, it's a good first step, but it's not working because there are some loopholes in the system. So for one side, we are saying, okay, we should continue working to close those loopholes. The second thing that Ternium and other companies are doing is filing dumping cases. I think that's the long-term view, as most of the countries are doing, but that takes a long time. But we are doing that as a second step. I hope this is clear from the first question, Henrique.

Henrique Braga (Equity Research Analyst)

Yes. That's very clear.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Okay. Yeah. Future investments, I mean, as we always said, we are going to be focused in America. We are not going to go to other regions. I think we have a place or opportunities in the Americas, in the countries, especially in Latin America, where we are, to continue growing, to continue investment. Today, as you know, we are focused mainly in the increase of the Pesquería project. As you know, it's the biggest project we have ever had in our history. So we are not focused in the next two years in completing this project on time and with the quality. As you know, it's going to be really the first steel shop of their kind. So we are very focused on completing this and being successful in this.

Henrique Braga (Equity Research Analyst)

Thank you, Máximo.

Operator (participant)

Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Camilla Barder with Bradesco BBI. Your line is open.

Camilla Barder (Equity Research Analyst)

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity for taking my question. Just two quick questions. First, on CapEx, not sure if it's too early to say, but is there any estimate for CapEx in 2025? And on cost, Q4, you mentioned we could expect a drop as lower raw material inventories flow through results. But looking at 2025, what can we expect in terms of cost? And also, if you could provide your expectations for free cash flow in the coming quarter, it would be great as well. Thank you.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Thank you, Camilla, very much for your questions. CapEx in 2025, I think that was your first question.

Camilla Barder (Equity Research Analyst)

Yes. Yes.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

A total CapEx will be around $2.3 billion. This is including Usiminas. A big part of that is going to the Pesquería project, of course. 2025 will be probably the year of more CapEx in our history because of the Pesquería project.

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

Yeah. Sorry, but we didn't hear that well, your questions, but I think the second one was in respect to our expectation for free cash flow generation in the coming quarter. Let me take that one, Máximo.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Yes. Please.

Camilla Barder (Equity Research Analyst)

Yeah. So cost and free cash flow.

Pablo Brizzio (CFO)

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. That was your question. So in respect to free cash flow, what we are expecting is, first of all, to continue increasing our CapEx investment, as you have already asked, and Máximo gave you the amount. So without taking that into consideration, which clearly is a very significant amount, we shouldn't have that significant changes in working capital. It was quite special, the increase in working capital this quarter. It was basically accounts payable and increasing accounts payable and nothing else, no increase in inventories or in our accounts receivable. So shouldn't be that the we shouldn't have that case in the coming quarter. So should have a positive operating cash flow and then continue increasing in the CapEx. So all in all, should be in a better position than the one that we have this quarter.

Secondly, as we have already mentioned, both Máximo and myself, our expectation is to continue reducing costs in different ways to do that. One of them is something that we discuss almost every quarter, which is that we are still utilizing raw material and specialty slab bought in prior quarters that have a higher price than the current one. And that's why we should see a reduction in cost coming in the next and the following quarter. So that is one of the reasons why we said that we have just or we can have slightly better EBITDA generation in the coming quarter. And also, as was mentioned, we are always, and we especially in this situation, working very hard in continuing our cost reduction program in all the facilities where we are operating. So we tend to be positive in that respect.

The numbers that we already mentioned for the fourth quarter and especially for 2025.

Camilla Barder (Equity Research Analyst)

Very clear. Thank you.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Thank you, Camilla.

Operator (participant)

And there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to the CEO, Máximo Vedoya.

Máximo Vedoya (CEO)

Okay. Thank you very much all for joining us in this call. We welcome your feedback, and have a very good day. See you in three months.

Operator (participant)

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.