Viking Therapeutics - Earnings Call - Q2 2020
July 29, 2020
Transcript
Speaker 0
Welcome to the Viking Therapeutics twenty twenty Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will hold a Q and A session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, 07/29/2020. I would now like to turn the conference over to Viking's Manager of Investor Relations, Stephanie Diaz.
Please go ahead, Stephanie.
Speaker 1
Hello, and thank you all for participating in today's call. Joining me today is Brian Lian, Viking's President and CEO and Greg Exanti, Senior Vice President of Finance. Before we begin, I'd like to caution that comments made during this conference call today, 07/29/2020, will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 concerning the current beliefs of the company, which involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ from these statements, and the company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any statement made today. I encourage you to review all of the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission concerning these and other matters.
I'll now turn the call over to Brian Lian for his initial comments. Brian?
Speaker 2
Thanks, Stephanie, and thanks to everyone listening on the webcast or by phone. Today, we'll provide an overview of our second quarter twenty twenty financial results, as well as an update on recent progress and developments related to our pipeline programs and operations. I'll begin by reviewing the status of our ongoing Phase IIb Voyage study. As a reminder, this trial is evaluating our small molecule thyroid hormone beta receptor agonist VK2809 in patients with biopsy confirmed nonalcoholic steatohepatitis and fibrosis. Enrollment in the trial continues.
And despite the ongoing pandemic, more sites are open today for patient screening and enrollment, and fewer sites are reporting operational disruptions compared with two months ago. We currently anticipate completion of enrollment in this study in the 2021. I'll provide more color on Voyage in a few minutes. During the quarter, we also made great progress with our second small molecule thyroid receptor beta agonist, VK0214, which we're developing as a potential treatment for X linked adrenoleukodystrophy. We're pleased to report that we recently filed an IND with the FDA to initiate the first in human studies of this important molecule.
We plan to initiate these studies following clearance of the IND. I'll provide additional detail on our development activities after we review our second quarter financial results. For that, I'll turn
Speaker 3
the call over to Greg Zanti, Viking's Senior Vice President of Finance. Greg? Thanks, Brian. In conjunction with my comments, I'd like to recommend that participants refer to Viking's Form 10 Q filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which we expect to file later today for additional details. I'll now go over our financial results for the second quarter and first six months ended 06/30/2020.
I'll first go over the second quarter results. Our research and development expenses for the three months ended 06/30/2020 were $7,800,000 compared to $7,300,000 for the same period in 2019. The increase was primarily due to increased expenses related to our clinical studies, manufacturing for our drug candidates, salaries and benefits, and stock based compensation, partially offset by decreased expenses related to preclinical studies and services provided by third party consultants. Our general and administrative expenses for the three months ended 06/30/2020 were 2,800,000 compared to $2,200,000 for the same period in 2019. The increase was primarily due to increased expenses related to stock based compensation, legal expenses and insurance expenses, partially offset by decreased expenses related to services provided by third party consultants and travel.
For the three months ended 06/30/2020, Viking reported a net loss of $9,600,000 or $0.13 per share compared to a net loss of $7,700,000 or $0.11 per share in the corresponding period of twenty nineteen. The increase in net loss and net loss per share for the three months ended 06/30/2020 was primarily due to the increases in research and development and general and administrative expenses noted previously, as well as decreased interest income due to the decline in interest rates throughout the 2020 as compared to prevailing interest rates during the 2019. I'll now go over our results for the 2020. Our research and development expenses for the six months ended 06/30/2020 were $15,800,000 compared to $11,800,000 for the same period in 2019. The increase was primarily due to increased expenses related to our clinical studies, manufacturing for our drug candidates, salaries and benefits, and stock based compensation, partially offset by decreased expenses related to services provided by third party consultants and preclinical studies.
Our general and administrative expenses for the six months ended 06/30/2020 were $5,800,000 compared to $4,500,000 for the same period in 2019. The increase was primarily due to increased expenses related to stock based compensation, legal expenses and insurance expenses, partially offset by decreased expenses related to services provided by third party consultants, professional fees and travel. For the six months ended 06/30/2020, Viking reported a net loss of $19,300,000 or $0.27 per share compared to a net loss of $12,600,000 or $0.18 per share in the corresponding period in 2019. The increase in net loss and net loss per share for the six months ended 06/30/2020 was primarily due to the increases in research and development and general and administrative expenses noted previously, as well as decreased interest income due to the decline in interest rates throughout the 2020 as compared to prevailing interest rates during the 2019. Turning to the balance sheet, at 06/30/2020 Viking held cash, cash equivalents and short term investments totaling $263,000,000 and had 72,758,342 shares of common stock outstanding.
This concludes my financial review and I'll now turn the call back over to Brian.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Greg. I'll now provide an update on our recent development activities beginning with our lead program VK2809 for the treatment of NASH. As a reminder, VK2809 is an orally available small molecule agonist of the thyroid hormone receptor that possesses selectivity for liver tissue as well as the beta receptor subtype, suggesting promising therapeutic potential in a range of metabolic disorders, including NASH. As we've previously discussed, in a twelve week phase two trial in patients with hypercholesterolemia and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, VK2809 produced statistically significant reductions in liver fat content, as well as improvements in LDL cholesterol, meeting the study's primary and secondary efficacy endpoints. On exploratory efficacy measures evaluating other plasma lipids such as triglycerides, apolipoprotein B, and lipoprotein A, treatment with VK2809 also resulted in significant reductions.
Importantly, the study showed VK2809 to possess an encouraging safety and tolerability profile with no serious adverse events reported among patients receiving VK2809 or placebo. The initial data from this study were highlighted at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Study of Liver Diseases, or AASLD, in 2018. Additional data, including efficacy at the low dose of five milligrams daily, were presented at the International Liver Conference, or EASL, in 2019. As we indicated on our last quarterly call, further results from this study have been selected for oral presentation at the upcoming twenty twenty EASL meeting, which will be held in a virtual format from August 27 through August 29. The VK2809 presentation will occur on Friday, August 28.
In our view, the data obtained thus far suggests that VK2809 possesses several differentiating characteristics relative to the current NASH development landscape. In addition to the potent reductions observed in liver fat, which we believe suggests promise for improvement in other histologic features, VK2809's broader efficacy on lipid measures suggests additional potential cardiometabolic benefits for patients with NASH. The compound's oral route of administration, liver targeted mode of action, and encouraging safety and tolerability to date, combined to place it among the most promising development programs in the NASH landscape today. Given the encouraging findings from the twelve week phase two study, last year we initiated a fifty two week phase 2b study to evaluate the safety and efficacy of VK2809 in patients with biopsy confirmed NASH and fibrosis. This study, which we've called the Voyage Study, is a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled, multicenter trial designed to assess the efficacy, safety, and tolerability of VK2809 in the setting of NASH.
The study is targeting enrollment of approximately three forty patients across five treatment arms, including one milligram daily, two point five milligrams daily, five milligrams every other day, ten milligrams every other day, and placebo. The target population includes patients with F2 and F3 fibrosis, as well as up to twenty five percent with F1 fibrosis. F1 patients must possess additional risk factors to be eligible for enrollment. The primary endpoint of the study will evaluate the relative change in liver fat content as assessed by magnetic resonance imaging proton density fat fraction from baseline to week twelve in subjects treated with VK2809 as compared to subjects receiving placebo. Secondary objectives include evaluation of histologic changes assessed by hepatic biopsy after fifty two weeks of therapy.
We are currently enrolling patients in this study in The United States, and we remain on track to open sites outside The US later this quarter. As we reported in our last quarterly update, we continue to closely monitor site activities in the context of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. To reiterate an important comment from our last update, we have never paused enrollment in this study or indicated to our sites that we plan to defer any activities required for trial execution. Since our last update, we're encouraged that sites continue to loosen many of the restrictions put in place earlier in the pandemic. We have more sites open for in person and virtual patient engagement today than in prior months, and anticipate further expansion of site activities in the coming months.
In addition, we're pleased to report that dosing in this study has now exceeded six months, and we look forward to completion of the planned fifty two week treatment window that will enable the evaluation of VK2809's safety and efficacy on histologic endpoints in NASH. With respect to further expansion of clinical sites, we remain on track to open sites outside The US later this year in both the third and fourth quarters and continue to target over 80 sites globally. As we've previously indicated, we continue to anticipate completion of enrollment in VOYAGE in the first half of next year. I would now like to provide an update on our VK0214 program. Like VK2809, VK0214 is an orally available small molecule thyroid hormone receptor agonist that possesses selectivity for the beta receptor subtype.
We are developing VK0214 as a potential treatment for X linked adrenoleukodystrophy, or X ALD. X ALD is a serious degenerative neuromuscular disease for which no pharmacologic treatment exists. The disease is caused by a defect in a peroxisomal transporter called ABCD1. This defect can result in increased plasma and tissue levels of very long chain fatty acids, which are believed to contribute to the cerebral and motor neuron toxicities that are characteristic of the disease. The thyroid beta receptor is an important potential target for therapeutic intervention in X ALD because it is believed to play a role in very long chain fatty acid metabolism.
Data from in vivo models have demonstrated that treatment with VK0214 produces reduction in very long chain fatty acids in both plasma and tissue. These encouraging findings suggest potential benefit in the setting of X ALD, and we're eager to move VK0214 into the clinic. To this end, we are pleased to report that we recently filed an IND for VK0214 to initiate the clinical development of this important program. Following clearance of the IND, we plan to initiate the first in human studies of VK0214 to be followed by initiation of a proof of concept study in patients with X ALD. We will provide more details on trial design upon study initiation.
As we advance both VK2809 and VK0214, we continue to carefully manage our cash resources and maintain a strong financial position. As Greg stated earlier, we ended the second quarter with approximately $263,000,000 in cash, which we currently expect will provide sufficient runway to achieve a number of the key clinical milestones that we believe will drive value creation in the future. In conclusion, we continue to make exciting progress with both our VK2809 and VK0214 programs. With respect to our Phase IIb VOYAGE trial evaluating VK2809 in patients with biopsy confirmed NASH and fibrosis, we've increased the number of sites that are open and actively enrolling and look forward to adding new sites both within and outside The US in the coming months. We're also happy to report that we passed the six month dosing milestone and continue to treat subjects for the planned fifty two week trial duration.
We currently anticipate completion of enrollment in the 2021. With respect to VK0214 for the treatment of X linked adrenoleukodystrophy, we recently filed an IND for this program, and we expect to initiate clinical development in the third quarter. Finally, during the second quarter, we continued to carefully manage our cash to ensure that we have the resources to optimally advance our key programs through their critical milestones. This concludes our prepared comments for today. Thanks again for joining us, and now we'll open the call for questions.
Operator?
Speaker 0
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. The first question comes from Joon Lee of SunTrust.
Please go ahead.
Speaker 4
Hi. Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. Brian, did I hear correctly that, in your VOIDGE study, you have, passed the six month threshold, and you are now, going beyond that in in treating patients?
Speaker 2
Hygiene. Yes. That's correct.
Speaker 0
Great.
Speaker 4
So so that pretty puts that pretty much puts the the question at rest. Okay. That's great to hear. And then, you know, what the other question I have is, one of your peer companies, Intercept, received a disappointing CRL last month, without an AdCom. And then the the FDA stated that they did not believe the risk benefit justified approval.
What are your thoughts on that CRL? And how does this, if at all, change your development plans for 2809?
Speaker 2
Yeah. Thanks, June. It's really a complicated question. And I don't have a lot of insight on the nature of the CRL or any discussions Intercept may or may not have had with the FDA. As far as our plans, our plans are unchanged.
So we're going to complete the VOYAGE study and, read those data out and then, plan for a phase three trial. And currently, the guidance, is unchanged with the registration endpoints. So we are not altering our strategy at all. We look forward to completing the VOYAGE study. That's the main focus right now.
Speaker 4
In your view, you know, if
Speaker 5
you look if you as you look
Speaker 4
at the profile of 28092809 and compare that with OCA, what can you point to as a source of conviction that 2,809 won't be nearly as a concern when it comes to, you know, review process down the line?
Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, it's it's they're they're a little bit, you know, apples to oranges. It's a different mechanism with, obeticholic acid. They did a, you know, a longer, larger study. We're focused now on a Phase 2b study.
We're looking at both the registration endpoints as secondary endpoints at But 12 it's tough to make that comparison just because they're they're just different molecules targeting different receptors and different mechanisms.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Understand. And then, the last question is, you know, when you report the the additional data at EASL next month, what should we be focusing on?
Speaker 2
Yeah, we'll report data from the sixteen week visits in that study. And then we'll also report data from some of the subsets of, patients, you know, patients with higher BMI, higher baseline ALT, that sort of thing. So I think it's an interesting dataset. So it's, we look forward to presenting it.
Speaker 4
Great. Looking forward to it and congrats and thank you so much. Thanks a lot, Jim.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Michael Morabito of Chardan Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. I was wondering if you
Speaker 6
could go into any more detail on the ex U. S. Sites that you plan to open. You said about 80 sites globally. Do you know once all is said and done how many of those will be ex US versus in The US?
And what do think the mix of US versus non US patients will be by the time the study is finished?
Speaker 2
Yeah, the mix should be about three to one at least, maybe closer to four to one, but at least three to one. And we had originally targeted, around 12 ex US, and we'll be, potentially moving that up, to closer to 15. But that's sort of the broad mix there, primarily US, but a little tranche of ex US as well.
Speaker 6
And so when you enroll patients in the ex US sites, do you expect The US versus ex US mix to be relatively equal in all five arms of the study?
Speaker 2
I would expect obviously, are more US sites, so we'll have more patients from The US in the study. But, yeah, it should be well balanced in that regard. It's a randomized study.
Speaker 6
Okay. And some of your competitors have hinted that they may be able to run registrational trials at with an endpoint of less than fifty two weeks based on some of their data from the data that you've seen today. Do you think that there's any chance, that you would be able to run a trial that would be shorter than a fifty two week Phase III?
Speaker 2
So, it's a good question. We don't know. We haven't, you know, generated any data longer than, twelve weeks. We have the sixteen week, data from the follow-up visit, but the patients only receive twelve weeks of therapy. So, you know, we'll make that determination once we have our twelve month data in hand.
But it's just hard to answer right now.
Speaker 0
Okay. Thanks for taking the question.
Speaker 7
Thanks, Michael.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Matt Puccini of BMO Capital. Please go ahead.
Speaker 7
Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on the progress. So it sounds like, from an enrollment voyage, enrollment perspective, you're pretty optimistic on how things are progressing. And so, I'm just wondering, is the gating factor in terms of your enrollment guidance more actually on the ex US side, or is it still, pulling enough patients through on The US side?
And then secondarily, while I appreciate that it's somewhat a moot point given that we passed the six month mark, Can you just maybe comment, did FDA actually come back and sort of bless, voyage to continue dosing? Or was it more a continuation of the no news is good news, commentary that we saw last quarter? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Matt. So on the second question, there was never any requirement that we check-in with the FDA at six months. The trial that was cleared to proceed was a fifty two week trial. And we were requested to submit our twelve month tox data at some time frame before any subject reached that six month threshold. So there wasn't any sort of a check-in or okay or anything from the FDA.
We didn't receive one, we didn't expect one, and there was never one outlined for us. With respect to enrollment, the modeling that we do for completion enrollment encompasses the time to get The US and ex US sites on board, and then we have enrollment assumptions in each of those sites and model it out from there. So it's a combination of US and ex US. And, you know, they're both going to be important contributors, but the bulk of the contribution will come from US patients. At least that's our expectation today.
Speaker 7
Okay. And just given all of that, in terms of the the initial, PDFF data, should we be expecting that closer to, say, the tail end of the first half, or do you think really it's a second half event, or is it still too early to say?
Speaker 2
I think it's early to say. We'll it as soon as we have it, but it's early to say. We have some pretty broad window in there, and that reflects a lot of the uncertainty in the current clinical environment. But I don't think we're gonna narrow that narrow it down today.
Speaker 7
Understood. Just thought I would ask. Thanks for taking the questions.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Steve Seedhouse of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker 8
Hi, thank you. Just one question on X ALD. First off, congrats on heading towards the clinic with that program. I'm curious about the mechanism actually of two fourteen and how much we know about that because you've highlighted obviously the effect on very long chain fatty acids. My understanding is in this disease macrophage activation is a key driver of pathology as well and particularly for the cerebral phenotype and thyroid hormone signaling may influence macrophages or macrophage function.
So I guess I'm just wondering in addition to looking at the very long chain fatty acids, which you've shown, know, a few times, and they improve, if you've also looked at the influence of the drug on immune cell response, and if you will look at that in an upcoming clinical trial and just maybe hatch out the mechanism a bit and optimize patient selection or something like that? Thanks.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Thanks, Steve. The mechanism is really tied to the thyroid beta receptor having a regulatory effect on the expression of a peroxisomal transporter called ABCD2. And that transporter is known to serve as a transporter for very long chain fatty acids, brings them into the peroxisome where they're metabolized and discarded. And what it does is it sort of fills the gap that's left by nonfunctional ABCD1.
All of these patients suffer from mutations in the gene for ABCD1, which renders that transporter nonfunctional. And so upregulating ABCD2, which we've shown in fibroblasts from patients, should result in a reduction in very long chain fatty acids. And that's what we've seen in in vivo models. We haven't looked at the, inflammatory, signaling, effects. I think, the way we look at it this is an important question.
The way we look at it is that, the initial target here will likely be the AMN subset of the population. And, if we can show a benefit there, then we would, you know, really consider expanding into the cerebral cases. But, the initial focus is more on the adult side.
Speaker 8
Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. That's helpful. Maybe I'll just ask one more on that then.
The the the phase one, is that initially in healthy volunteers? And maybe just, if you could walk through sort of the initial, clinical plan with the molecule since it's a new molecule here in the clinic.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks. So it's going to be a we call it a stacked design. So you start the single ascending dose study. And once you're a cohort or two into that study, if things look clean safety wise, you then begin the multiple ascending dose portion at the lowest dose that the single ascending dose started. And so the single ascending obviously is one dose, multiple ascending dose study will be fourteen day study.
And when we have some read on what the data look like there, we will then select the doses for the second portion of the study, which will target patients with AMN. And those patients will come in later because we've got to get through the fourteen day portion with a few cohorts first.
Speaker 8
Terrific. Thanks, Brian. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Thanks, Steve. The next question comes from Jay Olson of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker 9
Oh, hey, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just to follow-up on 02/14, I'll add my congrats to moving that into the clinic. Can you remind us what are the key differences between the PKPD profiles for 2809 versus 02/14? And how did those differences lead you to determine the respective clinical development programs in NASH versus X ALD?
Speaker 2
Yeah, thanks Jay. So so they're different, chemical structures. The substitution pattern on, on the aromatic rings is is, different in O two fourteen. O two fourteen, in animals anyway, has a shorter half life, higher Cmax, and it also has better selectivity for the beta receptor. So it looks, you know, it's just got a different profile altogether on the PD side.
That said, it does work pretty well in NASH. We always run them side by side when we do the animal studies, and it's also very effective in NASH. When we looked at the early data for X ALD, two fourteen just seemed to perform better than 2,809 in the ABCD1 knockout model, which is a common model for X ALD. So it seemed to make more sense there, and we had VK2809 already in full speed for NASH. So that's what led to the decision to pursue X ALD.
Speaker 9
Okay, great. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then, can you maybe comment on the timing of when you expect to initiate a proof of concept study, in X ALD? What are the registrational endpoints for X ALD?
Speaker 2
Yeah, so there's no therapeutic to date. We would expect the registration endpoints to likely focus on function, But we'll have that discussion with the FDA once we have some data in hand. The proof of concept will be from the upcoming clinical work. We'll look at changes in very long chain fatty acids at twenty eight days. And, you know, it's hard to time when the data would be available, but I would certainly hope to have data sometime in 2021 and sometime hopefully in the 2021.
But, you know, very difficult to determine that yet since we haven't started the single and multiple Sangamo studies just yet.
Speaker 9
Okay, great. Thanks again for taking the questions.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Yale Jen of Laidlaw and Company. Please go ahead.
Speaker 10
Good afternoon and thanks for taking the questions. In terms of the I'll just follow-up on the 02/14. In terms of the data release, would you be I'd be able to talk up talk about the healthy volunteers, the PK study, maybe in the first half of, next year, before you, you know, talking more about the, clinical data?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I would say probably, Yale. I don't want to commit to that today without having yet started the study. But yeah, I would think that would be a pretty reasonable course of action once we have some data to talk about what the profile looks like.
Speaker 10
Okay, great. And maybe just one more question here, which if I hear correctly that EASL meeting you were talking about some lower dose. Could you elaborate a little bit more on that? Or I just misheard.
Speaker 2
Oh, no. The well, the all three doses yeah. We didn't separate out lower doses or anything like that. We'll we'll look at the, placebo and then the five mg and the two ten mg cohorts as well.
Speaker 10
Okay, great. Okay, thanks. And again, congrats on moving things forward smoothly.
Speaker 2
Thanks a lot, Yale.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Scott Henry of Roth Capital. Please go ahead.
Speaker 11
Thank you and good afternoon. I guess first, the VOYAGE trial, are you noticing any changes in dropout rate given COVID-nineteen or maybe nothing at all? Just curious if you're noting anything different there.
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's a a really interesting question. The answer is no. But, you know, you you would you kind of expect it, but, we haven't had any any issues like that. And part of that may be some of the accommodations that we're allowed to make from FDA loosening some of the general operating criteria.
We can do phone visits when otherwise they may have been in clinic visits. We can ship the drug to someone's house. You know? So a lot of that stuff is just a little bit atypical, and that might make it easier for patients to remain in the study. But we're fortunate we haven't seen any surge in dropouts or anything just yet.
Speaker 11
Okay. Great. And then just shifting over to the model, R and D was pretty flat Q1 to Q2 this year. Should we start to see that trajectory increase throughout the second half? I mean, certainly as the OUS sites come on and just perhaps higher volume in general, Just thinking about that no,
Speaker 2
I'll pass that over to Greg here. Hey, Scott. Yes, I think it should tick up here a little
Speaker 3
bit in the second half versus the first half, think. We had commented, I think at the last call that we would be up 25% to 50% OpEx wise for the year versus last year. I think it could be a little bit less than that, but I think it will tick up in the second half versus the first half.
Speaker 11
Okay, great. And since I got you on the line, could you just tell me just really briefly what's going on in that other comprehensive gainloss? I mean, that number seems to bounce all around. I don't know what's driving those valuation adjustments, curious.
Speaker 2
Yes. It's really just a lot
Speaker 3
of activity in churn and the investments that we have. So it's been a lot of activity in that area. So that's really what's going on there.
Speaker 11
Okay. Great. Thank you for taking the questions.
Speaker 2
Thanks Scott.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from Andy Hsieh of William Blair. Please go ahead.
Speaker 12
Oh, great. Thanks for taking my questions. Hope everybody is doing well and staying healthy. So I have a follow-up on 02/14. So in terms of healthy volunteers for the first portion of that Phase I study, maybe educate us on X ALD patients in terms of, you know, their metabolism.
Do you expect any sort of significant differences between, you know, XLV patients and healthy volunteers in terms of PKPD or ADME that could potentially kind of limit the generalizability of the initial data that you gather?
Speaker 2
Yeah, thanks, Andy. A really interesting question. So far in reported studies with, you know, statins, for example, and fibrates, there haven't been any notable or significant differences in PK. With VK0214, we don't expect any changes in metabolism in the patient population versus healthies. But we'll wait and see.
I just don't I wouldn't expect there to be any dramatic changes. So we would think that the healthy volunteer data would be, you know, somewhat predictive for the patient population. But we have to do the study to really determine that.
Speaker 12
Okay. Thanks for the insight. And, maybe just one other question. So I guess, you know, in the past quarter, there's a lot of new developments in the NASH space. One notable one is kind of data generated from the FGF21 space.
Just curious about things that you are potentially doing in the background, maybe preclinical research on combination rationale? I remember you mentioned about you're interested in combining with six twelve in your pipeline, and
Speaker 5
even five thousand two
Speaker 12
hundred eleven. So just curious about where you are, in that process.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And thanks for the question. We have looked at combinations, and we think there are some mechanisms that might play well with thyroid beta activation and work on different elements of NASH that nicely complement VK2809. We haven't reported any of those data, but I think when the time comes, we will report data. But we're just not in the position today to make any comments on some of that work.
It is an area of interest to us, though, I'll say.
Speaker 12
Okay. Fair enough. Great. Well, thanks for taking all the questions, and congratulations on the progress. Good luck.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Thanks a lot,
Speaker 0
Andy. The next question comes from Julian Harrison of BTIG. Please go ahead.
Speaker 12
Hi, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the steady progress here. Just one for me. Looking ahead at your twelve week readout for VOYAGE which looks on track for next year, beyond MRI PDFF, can we possibly get a glimpse of potential anti fibrotic activity of CK2809 through biomarkers like PROC3 in ELF, or is that readout most likely just going to be limited to steatosis? Thanks.
Speaker 2
Yeah, thanks, Julian. Right now the plan would be to focus on the MRI. But I think, you know, we'll look at the data, when it comes in and decide what to communicate. But, right now really the focus, MRI PDFF is the primary endpoint for the study. We think that's the most important, at least at that twelve week timeframe.
But, if we have other interesting things to share, we'll do that. But thanks for the question.
Speaker 12
Got it. Thanks very much.
Speaker 0
Thanks. Thank you. The next question comes from Mayank Mamtani of B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.
Speaker 5
Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the progress. Just two quick questions on VOYAGE, and and then I have a a data question. So on, you know, just taking a step back and and, you know, given the overwhelming evidence we now have of, you know, liver fat correlating the histology, not not just a care of, also MGM. I mean, there a scenario after your PDFF, don't really wait for histology and start planning for your pivotal? Any comments on that?
Speaker 2
Yeah, well, actually is our plan. But, you know, we would want to begin planning for that Phase III as soon as we have data to identify dosing and start to think about the sizing, you know, once we have the magnitude of the effect, that sort of thing. So that's certainly a part of the plan once the twelve week data are available. But you can't do too much given that the guidance requires long term histology data prior to Phase III. So we'll need to collect those data prior to going into Phase III.
But laying all that groundwork is definitely an important part of our planning for next year.
Speaker 5
Got it. And then on the sites, how many sites what proportion of sites are in the South for voyage?
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's a that's a good question. I do not have the layout in front of me. It's a fair portion, but I just I don't have that proportion in front of me. We do have a lot in the Midwest.
We've got a lot on the West Coast. We have some in the sort of Mid Atlantic region. So we've got a you know, the plan is to have 60 total. So I think, you know and and what's interesting is even in these states where there do appear to be, you know, resurgences, we haven't seen the rapid contraction of site availabilities. I think the contraction is more on patient's willingness to, you know, show up at a you know, to sign up for NASH study if they live in Houston, for example.
But the sites have been far more open and available in some of these newer hotspots than they were, say, in the March timeframe. But sorry, I just don't have the number. I think that the sites are pretty well diversified geographically though.
Speaker 5
Got it. And then my last question, you know, as you think about the off treatment data, any color on the ALT declines that, you know, is it going to be fairly consistent with what you saw on the drug? Anything you'd comment on that? And then also the preclinical docs work, any, you know, findings that, you know, you could comment on that were beyond just the liver specific? Anything on the intestine or or the cardiac that was part of the correspondence?
Anything you could comment there would be helpful.
Speaker 2
Sure. So we submitted the full twelve month data set, which obviously included a lot of detailed analyses of of, you know, all tissue types. And we've always been comfortable with the profile, comfortable with the margins and there was nothing of note to really highlight there. So, you know, I don't know, yeah, there's not a lot of color to add there. With respect to your other question, oh, the sixteen week data, yeah.
So we'll have, you know, some data on the markers as well. I don't want get too much into, you know, what the data are. But, yeah, we'll have a number of different, you know, looks at subpopulations, markers, the sixteen week liver fat data, all of that.
Speaker 5
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my question and look forward to that data.
Speaker 2
Thanks a lot, Mayank.
Speaker 0
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Stephanie Diaz for any closing remarks.
Speaker 1
Thank you again for participation and continued support of Viking Therapeutics. We look forward to updating you again in the coming months. You can all disconnect today. Thank you.
Speaker 2
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending
Speaker 0
today's presentation. You may now disconnect.