Volaris - Earnings Call - Q1 2025
April 28, 2025
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good morning, everyone. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Volaris' First Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines are in listen-only mode. Following the company's presentation, we will open a call for your questions and answers. Please note that we are recording this event. This event is also being broadcast live via webcast and can be accessed through the Volaris website. At this point, I would like to turn the call over to Ricardo Martínez, Investor Relations Director. Please go ahead, Ricardo.
Ricardo Martínez (Investor Relations Director)
Good morning, and thank you for joining the call. With us is our President and CEO, Enrique Beltranena, our Airline Executive Vice President, Holger Blankenstein, and our Chief Financial Officer, Jaime Pous. They will be discussing the company's first quarter 2025 results. Afterward, we will move on to your questions. Please note that this call is for investors and analysts only. Before we begin, please remember that this call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws. Forward-looking statements are subject to several factors that could cause the company's results to differ materially from expectations, as described in the company's filings with the United States SEC and Mexico's CNBV. These statements speak only as of the day they are made, and Volaris undertakes no obligation to update or modify any forward-looking statement.
As in our earnings per release, our numbers are in U.S., dollars compared to the first quarter of 2024, unless otherwise noted. With that, I will turn the call over to Enrique.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. To kick off our call today, I will address the current geopolitical environment affecting the North American airline industry and how Volaris remains well-positioned to capitalize on long-term sustainable growth in our most valuable markets. This is a result of our team's proven ability to adapt during downturns and accelerate when opportunities arise. We deliver practically in full on our first quarter 2025 guidance despite highly volatile conditions. Holger and Jaime will speak about the strengths that drive our optimism about the future. Over the past three months, political and trade dynamics between the U.S., and key economic partners, particularly Mexico, have seen ongoing volatility. This has created uncertainty across industries and among consumers, prompting a more cautious outlook.
As we mentioned on our previous earnings call, travelers are waiting for greater clarity around border policies, tariffs, and broader economic conditions before making bookings. In response, Volaris has and will continue to adjust capacity to align with evolving consumer behavior. I want to emphasize that Volaris recognizes the Mexican government's rigorous commitment to swiftly addressing issues in the U.S.-Mexico relationship. Managing these matters requires a constructive, forward-looking, and bilateral approach, one we fully endorse and view as a positive step toward regional stability. From my personal perspective, Mexico's cautious, responsible, and proactive response to various U.S., initiatives has enabled it to make significant progress on key issues in the bilateral agenda, positioning both the country and Volaris as an appealing investment opportunity. Even in this environment, we continue to see the resilience of the VFR travelers in the Mexican domestic market, where we drove a load factor of 89%.
On the international front, our load factor in the US transborder market came in slightly below last year's result. We grew RPMs in both our domestic and international markets, and staying true to our ultra-low-cost carrier model, we proactively implemented competitive pricing strategies to sustain these high occupancy levels while optimizing TRASM. Our consolidated load factors of 85% just under last year's result, despite markedly different industry conditions, underscore the effectiveness of our approach to capacity management and fare modulation. We remain firmly anchored in our ultra-low-cost carrier value proposition, offering attractive fares, operating a reliable schedule, and expanding high-value ancillary options that enhance the customer experience. On the profitability front, our first quarter EBITDA margin was within our expectations, reinforcing the strength of our execution and disciplined cost control.
Ancillaries continue to be a resilient and strategic contributor, highlighting the relevance to our customers and supporting our diversified revenue model, particularly during periods of base fare pressure. Ancillary revenue once again accounted for over 50% of total quarterly revenue, and this is important as when combined with our low base fares, we're able to remain in a sweet spot where we can support market elasticity while attracting passengers to our value-added services. I'd like to recognize the outstanding coordination across our operations, scheduling, and maintenance teams, particularly navigating the industry-wide pattern with Pratt & Whitney engine challenge over the past 18 months. The current impact and our mitigation is consistent with our previous disclosures.
Our proactive management of aircraft and engine availability has ensured operational continuity and is reflected in our customer satisfaction metrics, including on-time performance of 83.8%, a scheduled completion rate of 99.6%, and a net promoter score of 39%, one of the highest quarterly scores in our history. Looking ahead, the flexibility embedded in our operations, cost structure, fleet plan, and variable labor agreements positions us to adapt quickly and effectively to market shifts. Additionally, with disciplined management of engine removals, maintenance planning, spare engine deployment, and re-deliveries, all supported by our updated Airbus fleet delivery schedule, we are well-equipped to adjust our growth trajectory as needed. Our capacity decisions will remain grounded in two guiding priorities: customer demand and sustained profitability.
Given the evolving dynamics between the U.S., and Mexico, we believe it is both timely and prudent to recalibrate our capacity plan to remain aligned with current demand trends and reaffirm our commitment to discipline and sustainable growth. For full year 2025, we're now targeting ASM growth in the range of 8%-9%, revised from our original guidance of 13%-15% growth. This adjustment reflects Volaris's agility and flexible approach to capacity deployment. By moderating growth across our network, including a rationalization in the U.S., transborder market, we expect sequential improvement in TRASM, particularly during the high-demand second half of the year, supporting margins. We view this capacity moderation as a prudent step to navigate current headwinds while protecting profitability. While there is much uncertainty in the market, we know it will prompt many to look at Mexico with fresh eyes, and we see a lot of positives.
Volaris stands out among North American carriers for its resilience. Our ultra-low-cost model, robust liquidity, and healthy balance sheet position us to serve the most resilient customer segment, our VFR base, during economic slowdowns. I am sure you are all asking yourselves what is on my mind as we are navigating recent dislocation and the environment I've mentioned. I want to reinforce a few key points. What it really comes down to is that our traffic is materially VFR traffic. Families in Mexico and the U.S., that need to travel to see each other, they're not going back to the buses, and after six months or more of being away from their families, we believe they will start traveling more during the summer. The most important thing is that we gain traction on traffic as fear dissipates, and for the VFR traveler, it always does.
I'm using the playbook we've developed over 20 years throughout many different crises, focusing on preserving cash while prioritizing investments that will ensure we exit this period continuing to live. It's easy to forget that Volaris snapped back fastest in our industry after COVID. I want to be positioned the same way now. Our flexibility and agility is how we will continue to deliver for our customers and our shareholders. Holger will tell you more about the trends we are seeing and initiatives we are implementing to ensure passengers continue to choose Volaris. With that, I will now turn the call over to Holger.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Thank you, Enrique. Good morning, everyone. For the quarter, our ASMs increased by 6% versus the first quarter of 2024. As Enrique mentioned, we flew a reliable schedule during the quarter, a testament to our coordination across operations and commercial teams. Operational performance once again was very solid in the quarter, with an on-time performance of 83.6% and a scheduled completion rate of 99.6%. We also continue to implement multiple initiatives to improve customer service and are seeing results, as reflected in our first quarter Net Promoter Score of 39%. During the quarter, although TRASM came slightly below guidance, we sustained healthy loads through fare stimulation. This resulted in a 17% decline in quarterly TRASM, which reached 7.8 cents. Our total load factor for the quarter was 85.4%, down 1.6 percentage points compared to the prior year.
True to our ULCC business model, we adjusted our base fare by 29% network-wide during the quarter to maintain load factors. This reduction was also largely impacted by a 20% depreciation of the Mexican peso against the U.S., dollar. However, ancillaries once again demonstrated low price elasticity and played a key role in supporting overall revenue, underscoring the relevance of our offerings to customers, particularly those flying on longer, higher margin sectors. Average ancillary revenues per passenger reached $53, marking our sixth consecutive quarter above the $50 threshold. While this represents a 7% year-over-year decline, it still accounted for over 50% of total operating revenues, which is relevant because we are preserving ancillary services as a value added to the customer. To that end, we continue to make progress in evolving our ancillary strategy.
During the quarter, the new Volaris app was launched, designed to significantly enhance the passenger experience and ancillary upsell during the day of travel. The app streamlines personalized bookings, boarding, access to our affinity programs, and self-service options. It also strengthens our direct sales channels, where approximately 85% of our total sales are made, allowing us to avoid dependency on third parties and reduce commission expense. Our core ancillary offerings, Annual Pass, VPass, VClub, and our co-branded credit card, have performed solidly. We expect their momentum to accelerate with the launch of our in-house loyalty program later this year. We are designing the program to enable new product offerings, unlock additional revenue streams, and reach a more diversified customer base.
As recently shared, we continue to position Volaris as the preferred airline for value-seeking passengers across our core markets, including frequent flyers, corporate passengers, small and medium-sized businesses, and leisure travelers, alongside our strong VFR customer base. For example, sales from Ya Vas, our vacation business, have increased by over 50%, significantly ahead of our expectations since we revamped the platform to better cater to travelers. In parallel, we've been testing additional southbound leisure routes, such as Ontario, California, to Los Cabos, and Oakland, to Los Cabos. Early results are encouraging, and we plan to increase frequencies as we refine our distribution strategy. If the demand trends persist longer term, we will continue to favor broadening our footprint with new routes rather than adding depth to existing routes in our capacity planning. This should alleviate pressures on softer markets and enhance the diversification and resilience of our network.
We see continued growth opportunities across multiple avenues and geographies, including Mexico domestic, as well as higher-margin transborder routes to the U.S. and Central America, giving us ample flexibility to deploy capacity. Additionally, we continue to strengthen our network and expand passenger choice through strategic codeshare partnerships, building on our productive agreements with Frontier in the U.S., and Iberia in Europe. I am pleased to announce that tomorrow we will be signing a new codeshare with Copa Airlines. This collaboration will expand connectivity between Mexico and Latin America through Copa's hub in Panama City, providing South and Central American travelers access to our 44 Mexican destinations, while offering our customers greater access to destinations across Central and South America. This agreement reflects our commitment to delivering more travel options while maintaining our low-cost DNA.
We are excited about the opportunities this partnership with Copa creates for both airlines and, most importantly, our shared customers. Current demand trends in the Mexican domestic market reflect a natural short-term adjustment in consumer spending, driven in part by broader economic slowdown rather than any shift in long-term travel behavior. Volaris continues to retain strong customer loyalty and drive repeat flying on our airline. Notably, we are not seeing any signs of customers returning to bus travel. With that, turning now to our outlook. Bookings for the first and second quarter of the year were impacted by the previously mentioned factors. As uncertainty clears, we expect consumers to reassess any postponed travel plans to visit friends and relatives. To address these conditions, we are leveraging our flexibility to allocate capacity and are now targeting ASM growth in the range of 8%-9% for the full year.
We believe that moderating capacity is the rational course of action in the current environment to protect profitability and TRASM. In terms of capacity adjustments, we will implement the most significant reductions during the low season periods and the days of week with historically lower demand to optimize network efficiency. That said, we expect traffic to rebound, consistent with past periods of demand normalization following similar volatility, and as the second half of the year is seasonally stronger due to the summer and holiday travel. However, visibility into the exact timings of this recovery remains limited at this stage. As we've shown time and again, Volaris' flexibility will allow it to be the first one to capitalize on a fast recovery. It's important to note that we are maintaining the capabilities to ramp back up quickly should demand conditions improve sooner than expected.
We continue to actively monitor demand across our network, including for the upcoming summer high season, and we will adjust capacity accordingly. Now, I will turn the call over to Jaime to cover our first quarter 2025 financial results and guidance.
Jaime Pous (CFO)
Thank you, Holger. As the team has discussed, financial results during the first quarter were challenged by geopolitical dynamics. Even so, we stay focused on what we can control and responded quickly to shifting conditions. Our first quarter results are aligned with the guidance we provided. For the quarter, total operating revenues were $678 million, a 12% decrease year over year, driven by the depreciation of the Mexican peso against the U.S., dollar and a lower total revenue per pax. On the cost side, CASM was $7.88, a 3% decrease year over year, while CASM mixed fuel was $5.4, up 5% year over year.
Average economic fuel cost declined 13% to $2.63 per gallon. In these times of volatility, maintaining one of the lowest unit costs in the industry remains our main competitive advantage. In line with our longstanding focus on cost discipline, we are intensifying company-wide cost control efforts and preserving an efficient cost structure, with approximately 70% of our costs being variable or semi-fixed. On our P&L, while depreciation and amortization expense was roughly flat sequentially, it rose 49% compared to the first quarter of 2024, primarily due to an increase in major maintenance events for aircraft and engine, but aligned with our forecast. Additionally, in the other operating income line, we booked sale and lease gains of $7.4 million related to the delivery of three aircraft. This line also includes our aircraft grounding compensation from Pratt & Whitney.
First quarter EBIT was a loss of $10 million, representing a margin of minus 1.5%. The benefits from increased capacity and lower fuel costs were partially offset by a weaker peso, as well as the absence of a one-time benefit of $41 million recorded in the first quarter of 2024 under aircraft and engine variable lease expenses line. The benefit reflected the remeasurement of re-delivery accruals of some lease extensions. This quarter, we recognized a total of $54 million, mostly related to re-delivery costs on this line. EBITDA totaled $203 million, down 14% year over year, with a margin of 29.9%, a 0.7 percentage point decline, aligned with the guidance provided for the quarter, despite market volatility during the period. In line with our historical seasonality, we incurred a net loss of $51 million in the quarter, translating into a loss per ADS of $0.45.
Turning now to cash flow and balance sheet data, the cash flow provided by operating activities in the first quarter was $157 million. The cash outflows used in investing and financing activities were $6 million and $212 million, respectively. Our first quarter CapEx, excluding finance, fleet, pre-delivery payments, totaled $64 million, primarily driven by the acquisition of one aircraft and major maintenance events. Volaris ended the quarter with a total liquidity position of $862 million, representing 28% of the last 12 months' total operating revenues. Our net debt-to-EBITDA ratio was 2.7 times at the first quarter end, compared to 2.6 times at the end of 2024, but down from 3.1 times a year ago. Our strong balance sheet, with no near-term debt maturities, excellent liquidity position, and discipline in controllable costs give us confidence that Volaris is well-positioned to navigate current markets.
Now, I would like to provide an update on our engine availability and our fleet plan. As of March 31, our fleet consisted of 145 aircraft, with an average age of 6.4 years, with 60% of the fleet being fuel-efficient NEO models. We incorporated two A320 NEO and one A321 NEO aircraft during the quarter and retired one A319. We had an average of 36 aircraft on ground during the quarter due to engines. As previously mentioned, we adjusted our contractual delivery schedule with Airbus, more evenly distributed through 2031. Those changes have already been incorporated into our current full-year capacity expectations. Just a reminder, our approach to management in the productive fleet allows us to flex capacity up or down in line with demand trends. Turning to guidance, due to ongoing economic geopolitical uncertainty, we are currently unable to reaffirm our full-year EBITDA guidance until we have greater clarity.
That said, we remain focused on the areas within our control. This includes moderating capacity growth, with reduction concentrated during low season periods and lower demand days of the week, actively managing costs, and staying ready to respond quickly as demand recovers. Therefore, for full-year 2025, our latest guidance is as follows: ASM growth of 8%-9% year over year, down from our annual expectation of 30%-50%, and CapEx, net to finance, fleet, pre-delivery payments to be approximately $250 million. For the second quarter of 2025, we expect an ASM increase of approximately 9%-10%. We also expect TRASM between $7.4-$7.5. Finally, we expect CASM mixed fuel to hold in the range of $5.7-$5.8 and EBITDA margin of 24%-25%.
This quarterly outlook assumes an average foreign exchange rate of MXN 20.20-20.40 per U.S., dollar and an average economic fuel price of approximately $2-$2.10 per gallon during the quarter. Now, I will turn the call back over to Enrique for closing remarks.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Thank you, Jaime. Before we finish, I want to call your attention on the following five points. Number one, we can operate and execute changes in our network with flexibility, agility, and resilience, taking advantage of around 70% of our variable and semi-fixed cost structure. This capability is tremendously valuable in moments when we need to tactically and quickly adjust capacity up or down to meet market demand. The second one, as we are a traffic-oriented airline, Volaris is uniquely positioned to capitalize on the growing need for families to reunite.
We strongly believe we are experiencing a delay in travel rather than a shift in long-term travel behavior. With transport travelers in full compliance with cross-border regulations and our customer satisfaction is high, we will continue to win in those markets. Third, we will keep delivering on our value proposition, offering low fares, maintaining an attractive and reliable schedule, and providing relevant ancillary options that enhance the travel experience. Fourth, the Mexican government's strong commitment to swiftly addressing issues in the U.S.-Mexico relationship positions both the country and Volaris as attractive investment opportunities. Fifth, Volaris was the best-performing public airline in its recovery after the pandemic. We invested our human and technical resources during the crisis to prepare for a fast restart once uncertainty eased. We are preparing once more for a strong comeback. Thank you very much for listening. Operator, please open the line for questions. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
The floor is now open for questions. If you have a question, please dial * 11 on your phone at this time or any time. If at any point your question is answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing * 11 again. Questions will be taken in the order they are received. We ask that when you post your question, you pick up your handset to provide optimum sound quality. Those following the presentation via the webcast may post their questions on the platform. The management team will answer them during this call, or the Volaris Investor Relations team will follow up after the conference call is finished. To send your questions via the webcast platform, click on the Ask a Question button and type your inquiry. Please hold while we poll for questions. Our first question is from the line of Michael Lindenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Your line is now open.
Michael Linenberg (Analyst)
Oh, hey, good afternoon, team. I guess two questions here. One, when I look at your TRASM performance, down 17% to $7.76, and then I look at kind of the guidance, it looks like sequentially your June quarter may even be worse. On an absolute basis, those are the type of numbers that we saw back in 2022 when Omicron and COVID were hitting the industry. My question to you is, obviously, you're driving loads with lower yields here, but the fact is, are you not seeing the level of stimulation that you would normally see in traditional discounting, and therefore you're being forced to just take fares down to dramatically low levels here just to fill the airplanes up?
What's the response of the consumer, and then what gives you any sort of confidence that the consumer will bounce back in the second half of 2025? Thanks.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Hello, Michael. This is Holger. This quarter, in the second quarter, we experienced a benefit from the shift of Easter to April, but I would say that this shift was not the typical Easter shift and the regular seasonality pattern that we observed in previous years. With the unusual external forces affecting demand in the international market and also the domestic market, it's quite difficult to quantify exactly the individual factors and isolate the impacts of the forces that are currently impacting the demand environment. The second quarter, yes, it has the Easter benefit, but we are seeing relatively low fares also impacted by the lower exchange rate. Go ahead. Go ahead, please, Michael.
Michael Linenberg (Analyst)
Oh, I was going to say, but is it accurate that the year-over-year unit revenue decline will be larger in the June quarter than what we saw in the March quarter? Is that accurate?
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Similar.
Michael Linenberg (Analyst)
Okay. Okay. And then just by second half, the back half, I know in the beginning you talked about the bounce-back seen in the past. Are you hearing that from your customers as well? I mean, again, what gives you that confidence? Maybe there's other channel checks or survey information where you think it will bounce back in the second half of 2025. Maybe that's an unfair question. Whatever you can provide any color. Thanks.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
We are confident that the second half of the year is going to be better.
We've seen in the past that VFR traffic bounces back quite significantly, especially in the summer season and in the second half of the year. Typically, visiting friends and relatives want to see their families and do travel in the high seasons. Remember that the second half of the year is seasonality adjusted better than the first half of the year. We're monitoring bookings very carefully for any signs of improvement, and we believe that the second half of the year and July and August are going to be much more stable than the first half of the year.
Michael Linenberg (Analyst)
Okay. Thanks, everyone.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Trent with Citi. Your line is now open.
Stephen Trent (Analyst)
Good afternoon, gentlemen, and thanks very much for taking my question.
The first one is sort of a little bit of a follow-up on Mike's question to a degree. When you look at, I mean, certainly there's been a lot of geopolitical craziness. Everybody sees that. When you look at price action with your shares back to COVID lows, operations certainly not back at COVID lows or free cash flow, any sort of high-level thoughts about share purchases at these levels, or it's not really something in the cards?
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Steve, how are you? I think our priority this year is cash preservation, and we're going to be focusing in that, Stephen Trent. To maintaining a strong balance sheet, lowering the debt, and preserving cash, no action on buybacks in our mind.
Stephen Trent (Analyst)
Great. Appreciate that, Enrique. Just one really quick follow-up.
When we look at your guys' fuel prices, jet fuel kerosene prices, are there any particular airports where the pricing or the regional crack spreads are very high, for example, versus other airports you service?
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Yes, Stephen Trent. Normally, Tijuana, Guadalajara is more expensive than doing fueling in Mexico City or Monterrey. Basically, the network, that's why the total economic fuel cost is higher than other competitors.
Stephen Trent (Analyst)
Okay. Very helpful. Thanks, Enrique.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.
Duane Pfennigwerth (Analyst)
Hey, thanks. I wonder if you could just walk us through monthly trends, trying to better understand the trajectory into Q2 here. What was the RASM decline in March? How is that playing out in April? Are you seeing any signs of stabilization in domestic yet?
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Duane Pfennigwerth, this is Holger. Good morning.
This March, we did not have the effect of Easter and the spring break. We had a versus last year, we had a relatively weak March. However, this shifted into April, and we are seeing better results for April in terms of TRASM. As I mentioned earlier, we are closely monitoring a range of indicators to assess demand trends going into May and June, while we are also focusing on what we can control, which is capacity. That is why we have pulled back capacity for the second quarter. It is very important to note that we have a lot of flexibility in adjusting capacity, and that enables us to respond very quickly if there are clear signs of demand recovery as we go into the third quarter and the summer season.
We are gauging, we're observing very closely the different distribution channels and tracking microeconomic and macroeconomic factors to identify early signs of demand improvement. The booking curves for July and August make us cautiously optimistic that there will be a recovery of the VFR traffic. We believe that VFR traffic has to travel in the high seasons to visit friends and family, both in the U.S., and Mexico.
Duane Pfennigwerth (Analyst)
Just to maybe put a final point on that, are there any differences at this point in point of sale Mexico demand versus point of sale U.S., for your transborder?
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
No, there's no difference in the point of sale, Duane Pfennigwerth.
Duane Pfennigwerth (Analyst)
Okay. Maybe just lastly, on the Copa relationship, how do you see that relationship playing out in Central America versus the Panama originating to Mexico, which you highlighted?
Maybe to ask it a different way, how would you see your Central American operation changing, if at all, as a result of this partnership?
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
We do not foresee a change in the Central American operation. Our Central American operation is focused very much on VFR traffic between Central America and the U.S., which we would continue to service directly. The Copa relationship is built as a bilateral codeshare, especially between South America, Central America, and Mexico.
Duane Pfennigwerth (Analyst)
Okay. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas Fitzgerald with TD Cowen. Your line is now open.
Thomas Fitzgerald (Analyst)
Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for the time. I wonder if you could just help us think about the range of outcomes here.
I appreciate it's incredibly fluid, but in the event demand does recover as well as you think it will, how should we think about capacity growth in 2026? Is low double digits reasonable? In the event it's a more sustained downturn or the border just remains muddled, that it's depressing VFR traffic, in the more risk-off scenario, how are you thinking about capacity growth in the next year?
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Hi, Tom. I think it is important that we maintain ourselves focused on what we're doing right now and how to manage the situation right now. Having said that, we remain very, very concentrated in managing this capacity down. So far, we are thinking about the low single-digit growth in the next year.
Thomas Fitzgerald (Analyst)
Okay. That's incredibly helpful. Thank you so much, Enrique.
Then just as a follow-up, how would you characterize the competitive capacity environment in the domestic market? Do you view your peers as deploying capacity rationally as well, or is anybody cheating at all? Thanks very much again for the time.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Yeah. Tom, we do expect or we do seek capacity moderation as well from our domestic peers and also international peers. As we go through the second quarter, in the short term, we do expect our peers to also cut capacity supporting a recovery of TRASM. That is what we are currently observing. Capacity moderation in the market as a whole.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rogério Araújo with Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Rogério Araujo (Analyst)
Yeah. Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for the opportunity. I have one here.
When we are looking at previous years where Volaris delivered EBITDA margins close to the mid-30s, which was the previous guidance, we look at the second quarter margins on those years, which was 2015, 2021, and 2024. Second quarter margins were somewhere between 31% and 41%. Now with the guidance at 2024, 2025, it seems that it's significantly below what the usual seasonality would indicate for the previous guidance to be reached. My question is, what if uncertainties remain for longer? What kind of margins could we see for the year if the 6 to 16 percentage points difference on the second quarter versus other years, if that is any kind of proxy or not? What you can share with us on that scenario.
Also, we saw 20% higher passengers in Mexico versus pre-COVID levels or even more than that, despite the ongoing threat and weakening engine recall. Do you see some kind of overcapacity in Mexico? If that uncertainty remains for longer, would you see competitors and even Volaris postponing some aircraft deliveries or even retiring current leases? Lastly, what about when all the grounded capacity returns to the market? Does this worry the company somehow? That's it. Thank you very much.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Let me try to wrap up a little bit on what you are asking, okay? The first thing is, due to this ongoing economic and geopolitical uncertainty, we are currently unable to reaffirm our full-year EBITDA guidance or guidance through the rest of the year other than the quarter, okay?
The second thing is really important is, and I think we are showing it in a very important way, a cut down from 13-15% of ASM growth down to 8-9% tells you how concerned we are to produce a better TRASM. We are confident that these actions will lead to a sequential TRASM improvement starting in the summer, positioning us for recovery in the second half of the year. Finally, I think it is important to say that we remain concerned about the ASM growth going forward, and we are managing that again, as I already told. Having said this, it's really important to maintain in the back of your minds the capacity of the company to adapt capacity up or down, okay?
We think that if we get the traction that we need, we might be changing that in a much better performance for the end of the year, okay? I think it's really important that you guys don't make yourselves a premise that assumes that the TRASM is going to be similar to the last two quarters because we strongly think that we can get a better TRASM and an improvement through the end of the year.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Just adding up on the fleet side, what we planned when we started with the engine troubles was to reduce capacity in 2024, planning in the long future, so whenever all of the engines are going to be flying again. We already rescheduled our fleet plan with Airbus. In addition, we have 40% of the fleet is going to be leaving within the same period of time.
We can manage capacity up and down with the redeliveries that we are going to be experiencing within the next five years so that our capacity matches the demand of the market.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Yeah, I think if we think of your, if we speak about Pratt, okay, I think it is well understood and very well managed by our team. We do have a multi-year compensation agreement we have in place. Although I cannot provide further details due to confidentiality, we continue to work with Pratt & Whitney to improve the throughput. Having said that, we're expecting our down level of fleet to be similar to the last two quarters throughout the rest of the year. I think the strong coordination across our operations and scheduling and maintenance team has maintained operational continuity.
Our scheduled completion ratio is more than 98.5%, and we are confident in our ability to execute as this situation evolves.
Rogério Araujo (Analyst)
Okay. That was very clear. Thanks, gentlemen. If I can ask only one last point here on redelivery costs, it was $54 million this quarter, 8% of revenue. Can you remind us when this is going to normalize and by how much? Thank you.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
This year, 2025, and start to go lower on 2026 and getting back to normality in 2027. It's a mix of the redelivery expenses plus the AOGs of the aircraft on ground due to the engines, and that's why it's the highest at the moment. It should normalize then back to 2023 levels until 2028.
Thanks so much.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jens Spiess with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
Jens Spiess (Analyst)
Yes. Hello.
Thank you for taking my question. Just regarding the lower capacity guide, just to be very clear, the reduction versus your previous guide is mainly driven by more redeliveries, right? So how many aircraft do you expect to redeliver this year, and how much do you expect in terms of redelivery expenses for the full year to 2025? If you could please elaborate. Thank you.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Hi, how are you? We're going to be redelivering five aircraft this year. Other plans that we have, we are still managing redeliveries of 2026, which we have 2024, and we need to decide what we're going to keep and what we're going to extend to optimize the cost side. If you look this year compared to last year, you should have an impact of an additional $90 plus million in the redelivery line just associated with the redeliveries of this year and 2026.
Jens Spiess (Analyst)
Okay. Perfect. I mean, considering that you and your main competitor are both reacting by reducing scheduled capacity, should we not expect higher yields or load factors down the road? I mean, in other words, how conservative is your 2Q TRASM guide, and really, how much could we expect that to increase in the second half of the year? Just one follow-up also, if the MXN stays closer to the current spot, how would that impact your 2Q EBITDA margin guidance? Thank you.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Jens Spiess, precisely, that is the reason we are reducing capacity. We are confident that the capacity reduction will lead to a sequential TRASM improvement starting in the summer and positioning us very well for a recovery for the second half of the year, which is seasonality adjusted always stronger.
With these additional capacity actions, we believe that we are in a good starting position to improving yields and TRASM. The 2Q guidance is what we are seeing today. It assumes an FX between MXN 20.20 to MXN 20.40 and a fuel around $2 to $2.10. You already have the macros there. The visibility that we have now to the second Q is the guidance that we are providing.
Jens Spiess (Analyst)
Yes. I mean, the FX is already quite stronger, right? Assuming it stays at the current level,
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
it will be an upside when we provide the assumption.
Jens Spiess (Analyst)
Correct. Okay. All right. Perfect. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Guilherme Mendes with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Guilherme Mendes (Analyst)
Hey, Enrique, Holger. Thanks for taking my question. I have two quick follow-ups.
The first one is on demand breakdown. You speak about how VFR demand has been performing, but in terms of leisure demand, how has it been performing? The second point is on the first-quarter yield performance. If you could break down the different effects impacting negatively in terms of geopolitical effects, how would it be? Thank you. Okay.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Let me take the first part of the question, Ms. Holger. In terms of the traffic customer segment groups most affected, clearly, the VFR is currently the most affected. We're seeing relatively strong leisure demand, which is also, you can see it in our traffic report, the domestic load factor continues to be quite strong. That is also driven by domestic leisure travel to the beaches here in Mexico.
As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, we opened two routes that are southbound leisure from the U.S., to Mexico, and we're also seeing relatively stable and strong demand in that niche segment of our southbound leisure. The VFR is clearly the most affected right now. To reiterate what we already said, in the first quarter, TRASM clearly was impacted by various factors, which includes a 20% depreciation of the peso. If you take away that peso depreciation in constant currencies, TRASM would have only declined by approximately 7%, which is a testament to the strength of the domestic market, the relative strength of the domestic market and the leisure business.
Guilherme Mendes (Analyst)
Very clear. Thank you, Holger.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Pablo Monsivais with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Pablo Monsivais (Analyst)
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions.
A bit of a follow-up from previous questions. You have mentioned repeatedly this call that you can adapt to a new environment in terms of demand. Can you please provide an example of, I don't know, a period of time when demand for VFR was down and you were able to put more seats in the leisure market or in the business market, and how that played out for us to try to extrapolate that experience in the past to what might happen here? That's my first question. My second question is about cash flows. If you provide a little bit more detail on your CapEx, I think that you have $250 million of CapEx this year. Put a little bit more color on the items there and also on the working capital needs. Thank you.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
I think we have several examples of what has happened.
I mean, I remember it very well through the crisis of H1N1 in 2009, where we had a recovery. The recovery was fascinating, the way the VFR traffic recovers and the speed it recovers. The second one, I would say, it's the pandemic. I want to remind you that Volaris was the fastest recovery airline after the pandemic. It's exactly because of that, because the VFR traffic recovers very, very rapidly, okay? The third example is the first period of Trump, okay? We lived something similar in the first period of Trump. Probably it's much more accentuated right now. By then, we had a fast recovery from the VFR traffic in a very effective way. I think we have several examples throughout the 20 years of the company that shows that the traffic recovers much more faster in that segment, okay?
Something which is really important also to mention is that we are preparing ourselves for that fast recovery, okay? The things that we're doing, like preparing the people, preparing the lines of maintenance, preparing our IT structure, preparing our systems, everything is aligned towards that so we can have a very fast first position in the table so we can depart in a very, very fast way.
Jaime Pous (CFO)
In terms of CapEx, most of the CapEx, we provide a full-year guidance of $250 million, excluding PDPs, Pablo, are related with major maintenance events and engines and aircraft. The other is minimal. It's related just to IT infrastructures and things that we are working on it.
Pablo Monsivais (Analyst)
Perfect. And then the working capital needs?
Jaime Pous (CFO)
This year, we don't plan to do any debt. We are focusing on preserving the cash.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
However, we have the availability to do it in the case we need to do it. Right now, we're just focused on preserving cash, and we are not budgeting for any additional working capital.
Pablo Monsivais (Analyst)
Perfect. Thank you very much.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Alberto Valerio with UBS. Your line is now open.
Alberto Valerio (Analyst)
Thank you. Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for the opportunity. A quick question on my side. We have some revisions on the airports, the MDPs. We had the ASUR three years ago. Last year, we had GAP. Wondering on this environment of declining yields, how is the negotiation with the airports? I know you have a hub in Guadalajara, but you also utilize ASUR, and this year you have OMA as well.
Just to have an idea if you have some flexibility on this negotiation or if this is more regulatory and independent of the demand that will be the readjustment. Thank you.
Holger Blankenstein (EVP)
Regarding the TUA situation, we've been quite vocal with the government and the airport groups that any increase that exceeds inflation is disproportionate. We believe that fees and charges should be aligned and consistent with the type of travel segment that presents in Mexico and the customer's ability to pay. We stand for reasonable and fair levels of those fees. We believe that it is important that these fees are consistent with the goal of democratizing aviation and enabling more passengers to fly. We've been quite vocal on that topic.
Alberto Valerio (Analyst)
Perfect. Very clear. If I may, just one more about the Mexico City Airport, the increase on slots.
How is the ongoing discussions with governments? Will it be possible to increase the slot back to what it was back in 2019, or do you think that the restrictions on the slots, close to 43-44 slots per day, would remain?
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
This is Enrique again. Let me be honest with you. I think there's a lot of talk around Mexico City Airport, but there's nothing concrete and nothing has been issued as a change. So far, we continue operating in the same path, expecting a much better allocation of slots. Having said that, Volaris has improved dramatically its slot situation since 2019 until today.
Alberto Valerio (Analyst)
Thank you very much, gentlemen.
Operator (participant)
Excuse me. This concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would like to invite Mr. Beltranena to proceed with his closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.
Enrique Beltranena (CEO)
Very proud of our company's resilience and of what the Volaris team has achieved.
I have a positive sentiment on the future, but I want to say that through every cycle, we have been proactive in doing all the things we should be doing to serve our customers, solidify our best-in-class cost position, preserve our financial strength, and maintain top-ranking operational efficiency, safety, and customer satisfaction standards. By staying true to our long-term vision, creating sustainable shareholder value while leading in our core markets, Volaris is well-positioned for continued success, even amid a dynamic environment. As always, we are grateful to our family of ambassadors, to our board of directors, to you, our investors, bankers, lessors, and suppliers for the support. I look forward to speaking to you all on the next call. Thank you very much.
Operator (participant)
Thanks for your time. This concludes the Volaris conference call for today. Thank you very much for your participation. Have a nice day.