Valley National Bancorp - Earnings Call - Q2 2020

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Speaker 0

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Valley National Bancorp Second Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participant lines are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Mr. Travis Lynn, Head of Investor Relations.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to Valley's Second Quarter twenty twenty Earnings Conference Call. Presenting on behalf of Valley today are President and CEO, Ira Robbins Chief Financial Officer, Mike Hagedorn and Chief Banking Officer, Tom Iadanza. Before we begin, I would like to make everyone aware that our quarterly earnings release and supporting documents can be found on our company website at valley.com. When discussing our results, we refer to non GAAP measures, which exclude certain items from reported results. Please refer to today's earnings release for reconciliations of these non GAAP measures.

Additionally, I would like to highlight Slide two of our earnings presentation and remind you that comments made during this call may contain forward looking statements relating to Valley National Bancorp, the banking industry and the impact of the COVID-nineteen pandemic. Valley encourages all participants to refer to our SEC filings, including those found on Form eight ks, 10 Q and 10 ks for a complete discussion of forward looking statements. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ira Robbins.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Travis, and welcome to all the participants on the call. This morning, I will provide some perspective on Valley's strong year to date performance in the context of a challenging operating environment. Mike will offer additional details on the financial results before opening the call to your questions. On our earnings call in April, we outlined organizational efforts to support our employees, clients and communities amidst the COVID-nineteen pandemic. While I will now reiterate each of those efforts this morning, I will provide an update on a few key highlights that speak to Value's culture, performance and value proposition.

Value originated over $2,200,000,000 of loans under the Paycheck Protection Program. Approximately 85% of these loans were for balances below $250,000 and our median originated loan size was just $43,000 While these numbers reflect the macro overview of the program, they only broadly speak to the external community impact. More specifically, we estimate that loans facilitated by Valley employees help preserve over 170,000 jobs within our marketplace. Equally important, nearly 30% of our PPP loans were provided to minority owned businesses, nonprofits or women owned small businesses. With a purposeful direction, our PPP response was differentiated by our high touch service, which leveraged an internally developed digital process made possible by the efforts and commitment of our employees.

As we begin to transition to loan forgiveness, more hard work is ahead of us. We remain committed to helping our clients understand the changing regulations around the program and to easing the forgiveness process for these small businesses. We believe Vale will continue to distinguish ourselves from our peers through this process by providing a unique customer experience led by people and supported by best in class technology. Today, Valley has granted over 10,000 loan deferrals totaling approximately $4,600,000,000 We have closely monitored the actions of our borrowers that have reached the end of their first deferral period. Approximately 5,000 loans totaling $1,900,000,000 have completed their initial deferral period and have returned to regularly scheduled payments.

Meanwhile, only 10% of commercial deferrals scheduled to return to repayment requested an additional deferral. While New York and New Jersey were hit hard very early in the stage of the pandemic, the COVID cases trends in these markets have improved significantly. These markets continue to progress towards a more complete reopening earlier than many other markets in the country. Meanwhile, Florida now faces a deteriorating health crisis similar to that experienced by New York and New Jersey earlier in the year. After working hard to reopen our branches, we have returned our Florida locations back to appointment only status.

We will continue to take the necessary steps to protect our employees and all of our clients in Florida. While we cannot control the environment around us, Valley continues to succeed by focusing on items that we can more actively manage. In the 2020, we reported net income of $96,000,000 and earnings per share of $0.23 These results include over $2,000,000 of pretax expenses associated with COVID-nineteen pandemic. On an adjusted basis, pretax provision revenue increased 12% from the first quarter, benefiting from aggressive funding cost reductions that began late in the first quarter. We remain keenly focused on generating positive operating leverage and optimizing performance.

On a year over year basis, we achieved approximately 30% growth in adjusted revenue against just a 12% increase in adjusted expenses. Our adjusted efficiency ratio was 46.8% in the quarter. While we expect revenue pressure to build across the industry, we believe that additional expense levers exist at Valley to help us mitigate these challenges. The quarter's strong bottom line results include a $41,000,000 loan loss provision, which was more than 20% higher than the first quarter's provision. While our underlying credit trends remain stable, the economic outlook related to COVID-nineteen is absolutely uncertain.

We continue to probably build our loan loss allowance to reflect this uncertainty. 2020 has presented challenges that no one could have predicted at the beginning of the year. Despite this, we are extremely proud of all of our accomplishments and performance year to date. Funding cost reductions and expense management have accelerated our pre provision profitability gains and enabled us to absorb higher loan loss provisions required under CECL. We will continue to conservatively navigate these challenging times and will position ourselves for success as the environment normalizes.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Mike Hagedorn for some of the quarter's additional financial highlights.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ira. Turning to Slide five, highlighting our quarterly net interest income and margin trends, Valley's reported net interest margin was 3% versus 3.07% in the 2020. Our decision to hold a higher cash balance in the quarter impacted our margin by approximately eight basis points. Exclusive of this, our net interest margin would have increased for the third consecutive quarter, reflecting the positive impact of our aggressive funding cost reductions. On a sequential basis, our cost of interest bearing liabilities improved by 54 basis points to 0.96% and our interest expense declined by approximately 33%.

We had previously identified the meaningful and unique funding cost reduction opportunity available to us. We were able to capitalize on this opportunity, which enabled us to absorb asset yield pressures and drive strong net interest income growth from the prior quarter. While a significant amount of our repricing opportunity has been captured already, Slide six identifies the amount of retail CDs expected to mature in the next twelve months at rates well above current offering rates. Specifically, over the next three quarters, we have roughly $4,000,000,000 of retail CDs maturing at costs around or above 1.4%. Slide seven illustrates the significant reduction in deposit costs achieved over the last few months.

On a quarterly basis, our interest bearing deposit costs declined 57 basis points to 0.83%. Our all in cost of funds improved to 0.73% from 1.2 in the first quarter due to deposit cost reductions and significant non interest bearing growth. While CD costs declined 53 basis points sequentially, there may be room to further reduce those costs. As illustrated on Slide six in the third quarter, we have 1,900,000,000 of retail CDs maturing at a cost of 1.38%. From a balance perspective, total deposits increased $2,400,000,000 or approximately 8% sequentially.

Excluding roughly 1,600,000,000.0 of PPP related deposits at the June, sequential deposit growth was 2.5%. Importantly, non interest bearing deposits increased 29% in the quarter or approximately 6% exclusive of PPP deposits. We continue to experience a customer rotation out of CDs and into more flexible and lower cost transaction accounts. With branches partially unavailable, customers have continued to migrate towards banking channels. The count of new online banking users in the second quarter more than doubled from the first quarter.

In the first quarter, we outlined a variety of steps that we undertook to bolster our liquidity position. At June 30, our cash and equivalents totaled $1,900,000,000 up from $1,000,000,000 at March 31. We continue to believe that holding excess liquidity is prudent given the uncertain environment that we currently face. From an average balance perspective, we held roughly $1,000,000,000 of excess liquidity during the quarter. We estimate this excess liquidity dragged on our net interest margin by approximately eight basis points.

Slide eight details our loan portfolio and the asset yield pressure that we have been experiencing along with other banks in the industry. During the quarter, loan yields declined 42 basis points. We attribute approximately seven basis points of decline to PPP loans and the normalization of PCD accretion income from an elevated level in the first quarter. Total loans of $32,300,000,000 include roughly $2,200,000,000 of outstanding PPP loans at the end

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quarter. Excluding these PPP balances, total loans declined approximately 4% on an annualized basis as economic activity has weighed on loan demand in our markets. On a year to date basis, we have seen solid activity in our commercial real estate segments, while non mortgage consumer balances continue to decline. Commercial line utilization returned to a more normal 44% following a modest uptick to 46% at the end of the first quarter. While traditional lending activity in our footprint has slowed, we were very active in the SBA Paycheck Protection Program as outlined on Slide nine.

As of mid July, we had originated approximately 12,800 PPP loans with an aggregate balance of $2,300,000,000 Approximately 85% of the PPP loans that we originated were for amounts less than $250,000 While regulations governing this program have been in flux, we continue to believe that approximately 75% of the loans that we have originated will be forgiven and off our balance sheet by the end of the year. In total, we expect to receive more than $60,000,000 of loan origination fees associated with our PPP activity. Slide 10 updates our exposure to industries which we believe have primary or secondary pandemic exposure. Approximately $2,000,000,000 or 7% of our non PPP loans are to industries that have primary exposure to the pandemic. These industries include nonessential doctor and surgery centers, the hospital and food service industries and retail companies.

We also have identified our exposure to industries such as manufacturing and education, which may be less impacted by the virus. In total, we have closely monitored the performance of these lending segments and have been pleased with our borrowers' resiliency. While approved deferrals in these categories totaled approximately $780,000,000 you can see that current active deferrals were only $356,000,000 This is the result of borrowers in these industries coming off deferral and returning to current or paying status. Moving on to Slide 12, our non interest income increased 8% from the linked quarter driven primarily by strength in loan sale gains and stable swap revenue. Adjusted fee income ticked up to 13.7% of total revenue from 13.5% in the prior quarter.

Despite strong fee income growth, fees as a percentage of revenue remains below our target, primarily as a result of continued strong net interest income growth. We remain focused on growing diverse revenue streams over time and enhancing customer adoption of the various financial products that we offer. Swap fees were nearly $15,000,000 during the quarter as we originated back to back swaps on approximately $390,000,000 of notional loans. While traditional lending activity slowed in the quarter, our borrowers continue to demand the interest rate protection provided by our swap offerings. Our net residential mortgage gain on sale income increased approximately 80% sequentially.

The increase included $3,000,000 for the change in fair value of loans held for sale and further reflected both higher loan sale volumes and gain on sale margin expansion. Residential loans sold totaled $240,000,000 for the period, up from $200,000,000 in the linked quarter, while the gain on sale margin increased 80 basis points to 3.26%. Slide 13 provides an overview of our quarterly operating expenses and the continued improvement in our efficiency ratio. Our expenses on both the reported and adjusted basis increased modestly from the prior quarter. Adjusted expenses exclusive of de minimis merger charges and $3,000,000 of tax credit amortization totaled $153,000,000 This was up $2,000,000 or approximately 1.5% from the prior quarter.

Adjusted expenses include approximately $2,200,000 of costs associated with COVID-nineteen and roughly $1,800,000 of periodic technology costs related to our ongoing core system upgrade. Our adjusted efficiency ratio continued to improve coming in at 46.8% in the quarter versus 49.3% for the March period. As Ira mentioned, on a year over year basis, we have generated 31% revenue growth with only a 12% increase in adjusted operating expenses. We remain focused on expense management and are looking to identify potential opportunities to reduce expenses where possible. For example, it is possible that changing employee work patterns and customer behaviors may lead to further cost reduction opportunities.

Turning to Slide 14 and asset quality. Our allowance for credit losses increased $26,000,000 to 0.99% of loans from 0.96 in the first quarter. The allowance represents 1.06% of non PPP loans, roughly two times higher than our reserve level at the 2019. The quarter's reserve build reflects a $41,000,000 provision and nearly $15,000,000 of net charge offs. Net charge offs increased $10,000,000 from the prior quarter.

This increase is largely attributable to an $8,000,000 Florida based restaurant loan that came to Valley in a prior acquisition. This borrower faced significant challenges prior to the COVID-nineteen outbreak and became further stressed during the pandemic. While we have increased our focus on the restaurant exposure within our portfolio, we do not view this loan as indicative of an outsized stress in our restaurant portfolio or in our Florida loan book. Taxi medallion loan charge offs also increased to 3,300,000.0 reflective of another downward revaluation of Medallions. The taxi loan portfolio stands at $107,000,000 and carries a 58% specific reserve.

The reserve build in excess of net charge offs reflects updated economic forecasts within our CECL model. Our CECL model remains conservatively weighted towards Moody's adverse and prolonged recession scenarios as a result of the uncertain economic outlook. Our model reflects some amount of GDP recovery in the 2020 followed by GDP declines in the 2021 with a slow recovery throughout that year. We also expect unemployment to climb above 11% in early twenty twenty one and remain in double digits for the foreseeable future. Future provisioning activity will be largely dependent on the degree that economic outcomes track our expectations.

Non accrual loans increased $5,000,000 or 2% reflecting modest increases in the CRE and residential real estate portfolios. As a percentage of total loans non accruals declined to 0.65% from 0.68% in the first quarter. In addition, we saw a significant improvement in our accruing past due loans, which normalized to 0.29 from 0.52% of total loans in the prior quarter. You can see the growth in our tangible book value and capital ratios on Slide 15. Tangible book value has increased 8% in the last twelve months.

Our tangible common equity ratio declined to 6.98% from 7.31% at March 31. The $2,200,000,000 of PPP loans and our excess liquidity position reduced our tangible common equity to total asset ratio by approximately 70 basis points in the quarter. We continue to feel good about our capital levels and believe that the sequential growth in our risk based capital ratios illustrate our improving ability to increase our capital levels on an organic basis. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Ira for some closing commentary.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mike. The headline risk of COVID-nineteen has somewhat overshadowed Valley's extremely strong year to date performance. We have produced significant positive operating leverage, which has led to a meaningful improvement in our pre provision profitability. Over the last few years, Valley has become a more dynamic and nimble institution, and we remain well positioned to serve the diverse financial needs of our clients. I am extremely proud of the immense effort put in by our team and know that this hard work will continue to pay off for our company and our shareholders.

With that, I'd now like to turn the call back over to the operator to begin Q and A. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Our first question comes from the line of Frank Schiraldi with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Just wanted to ask on deferrals. I mean looking at the presentation, really does seem pretty remarkable looking at sort of some of the highly sensitive areas like hotels and then how much deferral rates have come down. I guess in part that those hotels ask deferrals early that come up already. But I just wanted to ask about Florida.

Mean I've heard anecdotally that hotel occupancy rates down in Florida were quite high in the early stages of the pandemic. I'm assuming changed. And so I was just wondering your thoughts about and what you've seen so far in terms of new deferral requests down there? How do you anticipate that might trend?

Speaker 4

Sure, Frank. It's Tom Iadan, so I'll try my best to piece together the question. You were breaking up a little bit. As Slide four pointed out that we had total deferrals at High Point of 4,600,000,000.0 $3,900,000,000 of that was commercial related and $3,500,000,000 of that $3,900,000,000 is secured by real estate. There was no significance by region.

Every region was distributed onethree to Florida, Alabama, twothree to New Jersey, which is our distribution of our total loan portfolio. On the Florida side, it does have the predominant level of leisure and hotel hospitality portfolio. But I will tell you, of that portfolio, have $193,000,000 of deferred loans. Dollars 138,000,000 met that first ninety day expiration period. And of that amount, 133,000,000 went back to full pay.

That's our hotel experience and our total hotel book is $488,000,000 So 96% of that hotel deferral went back to full pay after ninety days. Okay, so we're encouraged by the trends and give you a little bit more highlight because the experience is broad based. We're seeing that within New York, New Jersey, Florida and Alabama. You look at that retail book we have, which is another high profile, high risk component that we consider high risk component. We had 90 let me get to the numbers right, 90% of that retail go back to full pay.

Dollars $359,000,000 met that ninety day period and $323,000,000 went back to full pay. There was a 90% experience. Again, no different in Florida than New York and Alabama.

Speaker 5

So even now with Florida having a tougher time, are you not seeing any change?

Speaker 4

No, no. Keep in mind, all of it is secured. We're predominantly flag based on our hotels. We have personal guarantees. These are people who we've done business with a long time, who have weathered cycles in the past.

We conservatively underwrite. The average loan to value on that portfolio was 56% at origination and the debt service coverage was 1.7x pre pandemic. So we believe there was a bit of a cushion in there before we even have to get and rely on the guarantees. But the guarantors are stepping up and they're relatively liquid people for the most part.

Speaker 2

Frank, this is Ira. I think on an anecdotal basis, getting to I think the point of your comment is, in our conversations with many of our borrowers down in the Florida footprint, I think some of the headlines in the newspapers are really disconnected with what they're seeing from an experience perspective as occupancy rates really haven't changed that much.

Speaker 6

And then

Speaker 4

just We don't do the sorry, Frank, we don't

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have the largest

Speaker 4

It's conference mostly around travel and tourism.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then just lastly, just the NIM. If I set aside liquidity, it seems like with the CDs coming up for repricing still, are you guys confident in core NIM expansion and NII expansion from here into 3Q?

Speaker 3

Yes, Frank, this is Mike. Well, I wouldn't say core NIM expansion necessarily. Would say NIM protection. So I think as the slide shows that we've used many times, I think it's Slide six, if I'm not mistaken, yes, that opportunity to reprice a lot of our funding sources gives us the ability to offset the reductions that we are going to see on the earning asset side. And don't forget that part of that liquidity bill that I referenced in my prepared remarks is a result that we are essentially not buying any new fixed income securities for our investment portfolio.

And think of that as basically insurance because I think the cash flows we would buy today are pretty much the same cash flows we buy in the not too distant future. And so we're going to try to stay liquid in the hopes that maybe this COVID situation gets better and we'll see some slightly upward tick in interest rates.

Speaker 0

Our next question comes from Steven Alexopoulos with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker 1

Hi, good morning. This is Alex Lau on for Steve.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 1

I just had a question on fee income. So it's down a bit from your waived fees for the quarter. Can you just talk about what you're doing on that front and what you expect for the rest of the year? Thanks.

Speaker 2

I think right off the bat, consistent with many other banks in the country, we elected to waive fees for many of our customers that were impacted by COVID-nineteen. That said, it is a small component of the entire non interest income base. And we have gone back to adjusting fee schedule accordingly.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 0

Our next question comes from Collyn Gilbert with KBW. Your line is now open. Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Collyn.

Speaker 6

Mike, maybe if we could just start on the NIM, just follow-up with your comment about liquidity and just how you're positioning yourselves on the deposit side. So just to understand, the intention is to keep is to maintain that liquidity. And I'm just trying to draw that with because I presume a lot of that came from the PPP deposits and how you're thinking of the ultimate outflow on that. So just if you could kind of walk through some of the moving parts on how you're seeing some of that liquidity movement.

Speaker 3

Yes. So on the first part of your question, as you might have noticed from the prior comments we made in the first quarter, we have released some of that liquidity already roughly around $500,000,000 so far. So the goal isn't to hold on to that kind of indefinitely, and I think you'll see us, selectively use that where we think it makes sense. So I can't promise you that we're gonna do that in the third quarter necessarily. We may.

But no, we're not going to hold on to those higher levels longer term. And basically, this thing started out, liquidity was obviously the biggest risk. I think now the liquidity risk relative to the industry has abated quite a bit.

Speaker 2

Okay. And then the second

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part of your question? Yes.

Speaker 6

Just on the PPP side, so we're hearing kind of mixed things in terms of what the ultimate borrower kind of usage is of those dollars. But how are you sort of expecting kind of the non interest bearing deposit flows to go as it relates to the PPP deposits that built this quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. So we had originally forecasted we'd start to see some of that in the third quarter, at least in a meaningful way. I now think that's going to be pushed off to maybe fourth quarter to first quarter of next year. And keep in mind those yields based upon the size of them because the fee income is different and the fee income accretes through there is roughly around 3.26 for us. So it's a little bit it's obviously less than the portfolio, but it's getting pretty close to where new loan volume is coming on as well.

Speaker 4

And Colin, it's Tom. I just want to add that 21% of our PPP loans were to customers previously not with Valley. We generated approximately $150,000,000 in deposits that were non PPP loan related deposits with that group and with an opportunity to solicit for even more. We have an active program going after that base of what we now have as new prospects to generate even more deposits and business from them.

Speaker 0

Our next question comes from Stephen Dewell with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Speaker 1

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 1

Just a question on your reserves, they're 99 basis points now, that's almost double your fourth quarter level. So with CECL, basically implies that you're looking at about 45 basis points of credit loss through the cycle. And the assumption is based on a double digit unemployment rate through 2021. Is that right?

Speaker 3

So I won't specifically address the 45 basis points, but I'm going to point you back to the fact that the model is incredibly sensitive to the economic forecast, likely or the most impactful impacts are around GDP and unemployment. And so I'll tell you the percentages that we use so you can get a better feel as to where that comes out on a weighted average basis. So for the second quarter, we used Moody's June estimates and we used 50% for their S3 scenario, 20% for S4 and 30% for baseline. And to give you an idea of how the dispersion is different between those, baseline had GDP for third quarter coming in at 17.2% and S-four has it at 1.7%. So on a weighted average basis, it's 9.2% positive.

Now when you look at the forward next seven quarters, it goes negative in the fourth quarter, it goes negative in the first quarter. And as I said in my prepared remarks, the unemployment rate is above 11%, whereas in prior estimates, that was more around 9% when you start to look forward. So it's gotten worse on the unemployment side and it's gotten less optimistic, if you will, on the GDP side.

Speaker 1

Got it. And I guess how would like your reserve level compare to where you guys were in the financial crisis?

Speaker 2

This is Eirik. I think it's really got to be aggregated together with even where our capital position was. So when we went into the last financial crisis, we started with the TCE number about 5.75. And we're sitting today on an adjusted basis, if you account for liquidity, as well as the PPP loans as close to $7.70. So we're about 200 basis points more in capital today than when we went into the initial financial crisis.

On a coverage ratio with regard to the overall loan portfolio, we think we're in a real solid position as well. So on an aggregate basis, we think we have a lot more reserves from a capital and provision perspective than what we did last time.

Speaker 0

Our next question comes from Matthew Breese with Stephens. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Good morning.

Speaker 2

Morning, Matthew.

Speaker 7

Hey, just in regards to the provision, how much of the $40,000,000 was qualitatively driven? How does that compare to last quarter? And then with more stability in the Moody's forecast, should we view the majority of the reserve build in the rearview mirror at this point and provisioning levels should start to just reflect growth in charge offs?

Speaker 3

Yes. So the qualitative part was not a large portion of the $41,000,000 And as it relates to your second part of your question, personally, I think you might see people I don't think Valley institution that will do this. I think there might be some, less reliance on the baseline. As you can see, even from our, weightings, we only use 30% for the baseline this time, because I think generally people believe this might last a little bit longer. And so to get that economic impact into your model, you might heavily wait.

So that would be a bigger driver, I think, of future, reserve builds, as I said earlier, than just, changes per se to the Moody's estimate. It will impact it, but I think the weightings will be a bigger impact.

Speaker 7

Understood. And then on the expense front, you point to $2,200,000 of COVID expenses this quarter, 2,100,000.0 last quarter. A lot of that is in regards to Readiness. Should we start to see these figures start to wind down and therefore expenses can start to flatten out or come down? And then you also mentioned potential room for expense saves.

Could you just talk about some of the areas where you see that's possible and to what extent?

Speaker 3

So, of the $2,200,000 to give you some breakdown in that numbers, roughly 750,000 of that is related to enhanced cleaning procedures that we've had to do, and that is going to be directly correlated to outbreaks and hotspots within our footprint. So over time, you would hope that that would come down. There's some marketing related costs. I suppose you could argue whether those are COVID related or not, but they're specifically related to our recovery CD that we have launched, and we've also launched phase two of that as well. And then also inside of there, that I don't believe will be recurring, at least in any material way, are expenses related to getting ourselves opened up to the various wave process that we're using, things like decals on the floor of elevators, signage in different places, plexiglass, sneeze guards in certain locations.

All of that is in that number as well, and that should over time

Speaker 2

reduce itself. And Matt, this is Ira. Just think following up on your second comment, we still believe that there is significant opportunity to relook at our business model and improve the operating efficiency further. I think as we continue to enhance the technology platform that we sit on, there will be operational saves as we continue to move over across all facets of the organization. If you recall about two years ago, we presented to you what branch transformation looked like at Valley.

Up until this point, we probably exceeded some of the metrics and numbers that we provided to you. If you notice, we didn't provide anything this time from an update. We think it's prudent for us to really reassess the entire platform that we have within the organization when it comes to real estate expenses. And we continue to look at that and is there more opportunity to look at real estate and not just from a branch perspective, but from a corporate perspective as well. In addition, there's probably a little bit left on the Oritani.

Speaker 0

We have a follow-up question from the line of Collyn Gilbert with KBW. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Thanks guys. Sorry, I wasn't finished. I could probably ask questions for three hours, but I'll try to keep it brief. Just so Mike, sorry, just to close the loop out on the NIM. So you had indicated that there may be room on the retail deposit side to lower again.

It just it seems like there more than maybe room. What would keep you from being more aggressive in dropping some of those retail CD costs?

Speaker 3

If I said that there may be some room that's probably just me doing my normal hedging. There's absolutely and that's what Slide six shows. Those rates that you're seeing in the third quarter as an example, 138 for maturing CDs, 65 bps for borrowing and BCDs at 59. We know that at today's rates, we'll be able to buy those same funding sources at lower rates. So absolutely, we're going to continue to see that.

Issue around saying a specific number is, especially with the CD book, it depends on what maturity we want to do. We've been as this whole thing has been going on kind of silently, we've been building a nice ladder and extending out some of our longer term deposits.

Speaker 2

And I think, Colin, when you look at the overall deposit book, know we get criticized a bit based on the cost of deposits within the organization. I know a lot of that is a function of the market that we operate within. But we were very, very aggressive compared to many of our peers in dropping rates. I mean, cost of deposits, including non interest bearing went to 60 basis points this quarter from 107 the quarter before and 127 a year ago. So we dropped 44% just on a linked quarter basis.

We didn't have any account attrition. In reality, we increased 6,000 units of non interest bearing accounts during the quarter. I think it shows the stickiness of the types of deposits we have. And we're real excited about the opportunity.

Speaker 3

And to Iris' point, I would point you to Slide seven and take a look at the savings now in money market accounts and the growth there. I think that illustrates what he's talking about.

Speaker 6

Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And then just some clarity So first, in terms of just your outlook on mortgage banking and where you see that trending kind of in the back half of the year, if there was a lot of pull through that happened in the second quarter or if you expect activity to sort of remain elevated as we move into the back half of the year?

Speaker 4

Hey Colin, it's Tom. Yes, when you look at our second quarter, 66% of our business was conforming for sale mortgage, 34% balance was jumbo. The refinance market is active and strong now as you would expect in this interest rate environment. We are pulling through on a similar basis so far in the third quarter. Pipeline remains somewhat elevated from, I'd say, first quarter similar to we're in the same line as the second quarter as we were as we are now.

Speaker 0

We have a follow-up question from the line of Matthew Breese with Stephens. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Just one more for me guys. Just in terms of the deferrals, I think you said 90% there was a 90% cure rate on the commercial loans that came up. What was it on the consumer side? And is there any reason to believe that blended cure rate is not something we should apply to the remaining $2,700,000,000 of deferrals?

Speaker 4

Yes. I'll go one to two that, Matt. It's Tom. We had $525,000,000 on the residential mortgage piece. Approximately 300,000,000 of that came due, 60% requested second.

And keep in mind, we do 90,000,000 plus 90,000,000 So 60% requested a second deferral, 40% went on to full pay. On our auto piece, which is the bulk of the balance of our consumer, we had $116,000,000 in total, dollars 80,000,000 came up at that met that first period, 72,000,000 went on full pay, so that was 90%. So I think we're going to be those percentages, again, I think are in line with what we would have expected to see in those two categories.

Speaker 2

And Matt, I just think this speaks to the volume as to who Valley is and how we underwrite and the real differentiation here of our borrowers versus many of our peers.

Speaker 7

Understood. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

I appreciate the follow-up.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 0

And that concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Mr. Robbins for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you so much for all of us joining us today. As you can tell by the tone in our comments today, we're really excited about the quarter's performance, not just from an earnings perspective, but from a credit quality perspective as well. And we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Thank you.

Speaker 0

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.