Walker & Dunlop - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 2025 was an inflection quarter: total transaction volume surged to $14.0B (+65% YoY), driving total revenues to $319.2M (+18% YoY) and GAAP diluted EPS to $0.99 (+48% YoY) as MSR income boosted GAAP earnings while adjusted metrics fell modestly due to lower placement fees.
• Against S&P Global consensus, WD delivered a significant revenue beat (actual $319.2M vs $278.2M*) and EPS beat on both GAAP ($0.99 vs $0.9725*) and adjusted-core ($1.15 vs $0.9725*) bases; the beat was primarily driven by higher GSE volumes and associated MSR income, partially offset by tighter origination and MSR margins stemming from a large structured Fannie Mae refinancing and competitive pricing.
• Capital Markets revenues rose 46% YoY on stronger Agency and brokered volumes; SAM remained a stable cash engine but saw lower placement fees and investment management fees due to lower short-term rates and fewer LIHTC realizations; dividend maintained at $0.67 for Q3 2025.
• Management reaffirmed the February full-year framework (GAAP EPS to outpace adjusted metrics) and guided that origination and MSR margins should remain in line with Q2 levels in 2H25; pipeline described as “healthy” into Q3, with momentum across CRE lending markets and multifamily fundamentals.
• Key catalysts: sustained transaction momentum and market-share gains with GSEs (YTD share up to 11.4% from 10.3%), stable credit metrics (only eight defaults, 17bps of at-risk portfolio), and expanding platform (hospitality, data centers, Europe).

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Broad-based volume rebound: total transaction volume $14.0B (+65% YoY) with Agency debt financing up 83% YoY and brokered volume up 64%, underpinning 18% revenue growth and 48% GAAP EPS growth.
• Market share gains and platform expansion: YTD GSE market share rose to 11.4% (from 10.3% in 2024); management cited momentum across capital markets and diversification into hospitality, data centers, and Europe (“advent of the next CRE investment cycle”).
• Quote: “We are gaining market share with our largest capital partners while broadening our Capital Markets capabilities into hospitality, data centers, and Europe” — Willy Walker, Chairman & CEO.

What Went Wrong

• Margin compression and adjusted metrics: adjusted EBITDA fell 5% YoY to $76.8M and adjusted core EPS declined 7% YoY to $1.15 due to lower placement fees (short-term rates down ~100bps) and tighter origination/MSR margins from large structured GSE deals and competitive pricing.
• SAM headwinds: total SAM revenues fell 5% YoY on lower placement fees (-12%) and investment management fees (-49%) tied to fewer LIHTC dispositions and lower short-term rates; adjusted EBITDA declined 10% YoY.
• Analyst concern: fee-rate pressure expected to persist (“margins to remain in line with Q2”) and shorter loan terms (more 5-year executions) lower MSR rates, potentially moderating unit economics even as volumes recover.

Transcript

Speaker 4

Today, and welcome to the second quarter 2025 Walker & Dunlop, Inc. earnings call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Kelsey Duffey. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Walker & Dunlop's second quarter 2025 earnings call. I have with me this morning our Chairman and CEO, Willy Walker, and our CFO, Greg Florkowski. This call is being webcast live on our website, and a recording will be available later today. Both our earnings press release and website provide details on accessing the archive webcast. This morning, we posted our earnings release and presentation to the investor relations section of our website, www.walker-dunlop.com. These slides serve as a reference point for some of what Willy and Greg will touch on during the call. Please also note that we will reference the non-GAAP financial metrics, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted core EPS during the course of this call. Please refer to the appendix of the earnings presentation for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial metrics.

Investors are urged to carefully read the forward-looking statements language in our earnings release. Statements made on this call, which are not historical facts, may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements describe our current expectations, and actual results may differ materially. Walker & Dunlop is under no obligation to update or alter our forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, and we expressly disclaim any obligation to do so. More detailed information about risk factors can be found in our annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Willy.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Kelsey, and good morning, everyone. In our last earnings call at the beginning of May, we mentioned that our April deal volume was very strong, even with the dramatic movement in rates and market volatility post-Liberation Day. As our Q2 financial results show, transaction volumes remain strong throughout the quarter and are continuing into Q3. Commercial real estate and the investing and financing activities that drive it forward are showing signs of entering its next cycle. I spoke at a conference in Chicago in May. The CEO of one of Walker & Dunlop's competitor firms spoke before me and said that the next CRA cycle would begin on July 8, 2025, as soon as the new tariff deals were negotiated.

I disagreed and said it was highly unlikely all the trade deals would be negotiated by July 8, and second, even if the Trump administration was wildly successful negotiating trade deals, that nobody should think trade is the last macroeconomic issue President Trump is going to try to impact. Guess what? We were both right. The volatility we have seen in the market since the advent of the second Trump administration is likely to be with us for the next three and a half years, and at the same time, the next CRA cycle appears to be underway. This cycle is underway not due to significantly lower rates, higher asset prices, nor macroeconomic tranquility. It has begun because, after three years of dramatically lower sales and financing activity, it is time to recycle capital to investors, refinance assets, and deploy capital that was raised prior to the Great Tightening.

As you can see on slide three, there is over $640 billion of equity capital in real estate funds that has been invested for over five years and needs to be returned to investors. As you can also see in this chart, capital raising for new funds has plummeted since 2022. That is investors waiting for capital to be recycled prior to investing in new vehicles. On the right side, the graph shows that there is over $400 billion of dry powder that needs to be invested or will be returned to investors. This slide represents over $1 trillion of real estate-focused equity capital that either needs to be recycled or deployed, and these equity flows are what is driving transaction activity today. Beyond this significant macro driver, the multifamily sector is extremely well positioned over the next several years.

We do not have enough housing in America, and the delta between the cost of renting and homeownership continues to widen, making multifamily the only option for many Americans. As this slide shows, if we go back to March of 2020, the cost of paying principal and interest on a mortgage on the median priced home in America was $200 to $300 cheaper than renting the median priced apartment unit. Fast forward five years, and the median home price in America has gone from $285,000 to $410,000, and the monthly cost of principal and interest on a mortgage to own that home is now $500 to $600 more expensive than the cost to rent the median priced apartment per month.

Single-family housing is thoroughly unaffordable to someone making anything close to the median income in America today, and this reality is why the multifamily industry has seen record absorption of 227,000 units in the second quarter of 2025 and 794,000 units over the past year. Supporting that point, Q2 household growth was driven entirely by 2.7% growth in renter households, while owner households remain flat. Apartment construction has collapsed, and as apartment deliveries begin to tail off in 2025 into 2026, owners of multifamily properties will begin to increase rents. The industry is currently at 96% occupancy, so with full properties and rising rents, values will go up, increasing investment sales and financing activity. As one of the largest providers of capital and investment sales to the multifamily industry, Walker & Dunlop is extremely well positioned to meet our clients' capital markets needs as this investment cycle accelerates.

Walker & Dunlop's Q2 total transaction volume of $14 billion was up 65% from Q2 2024 and over twice our volume in the first quarter of this year. This significant increase in deal flow drove 18% revenue growth and diluted earnings per share of $0.99, up 48% year over year. Two things of note with regard to volumes, revenue, and earnings. First, transaction volumes do not directly correlate to revenue growth. For example, we did an almost $1 billion financing for one of our long-standing clients in Q2, once again showing that Walker & Dunlop is one of the go-to lenders for large, structured GSE financings. A $1 billion financing does not carry with it the same origination fees nor mortgage banking gains as 10 $100 million loans. Second, while revenues were up 18%, GAAP earnings were up 48%.

This is due to gaining economies of scale on our platform, as well as booking significant non-cash mortgage servicing rights. Those non-cash servicing rights, which are the present value of future servicing income, are the lifeblood of Walker & Dunlop over the next five, seven, and ten years. We love booking significant non-cash MSRs, but we will benefit from their cash flows going forward. As we transition to higher transaction volumes and GAAP earnings, we should see adjusted EBITDA and adjusted core EPS come down as they did in Q2. Adjusted EBITDA declined 5% in the quarter, while adjusted core EPS declined 7%, largely due to the 100 basis point decrease in short-term rates, which significantly pressures escrow earnings in the quarter. As the market recovers and hopefully rates continue to come down, we will gladly swap out increased origination volumes and MSR revenues in exchange for lower escrow earnings.

$14 billion of total transaction volume included growth across almost all transaction channels, including $4.9 billion of lending volume with the GSEs, our highest GSE volume in 11 quarters. As shown on slide six, our year-to-date GSE market share has increased to 11.4%, up from 10.3% at the end of last year. Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are extremely active in the market today, and with the prospect of a future privatization being considered by the Trump administration, we expect both GSEs to be focused on hitting their multifamily caps in 2025 and beyond. Property sales volume grew to $2.3 billion in Q2, up 51% year over year. Our team awarded a higher volume of deals in the month of June than they did in all of Q1 2025.

Those transactions will be closed in the second half of the year and reflect a strong pipeline moving into the third quarter. Our broker debt volume grew to $6.3 billion in Q2, up 64% year over year. This is fantastic growth and shows the increased deal volume across all commercial real estate asset classes, not just multifamily. We work with a wide range of capital providers in our debt brokerage business, and this pickup in loan originations is reflective of a huge amount of liquidity across the capital markets. We continue to focus on expanding our affordable housing platform, which includes affordable property sales, loan originations, and low-income housing tax credit syndications. Our HUD lending volumes grew 55% to $288 million in Q2, and W&D Affordable Equity completed its largest ever $240 million multi-investor fund syndication at the beginning of the quarter.

Our technology-enabled businesses of small balance lending and appraisals continue to grow nicely, with appraisal revenues up 61% in the quarter and small balance lending revenue up 99%. Galaxy, our proprietary loan database, continues to source new clients and loans, with 17% of our transaction volume year to date being with new clients to Walker & Dunlop and 58% of our refinancing volume being new loans to Walker & Dunlop. These numbers speak to the use of technology and expansion of our brand to win new loans and clients from the competition. Client Navigator, our servicing and loan analytics platform using our data and machine learning, now has over 5,600 active users that allows our borrowers to seamlessly analyze their loans. These are very exciting data points as we enter the next market cycle with the W&D team, brand, technology, and market presence.

I will now turn the call over to Greg to talk through our second quarter and year-to-date results in more detail. Greg?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Willy, and good morning, everyone. The second quarter marked a significant inflection point for commercial real estate transaction activity and our financial performance. As we saw meaningful stabilization in long-term interest rates, transaction volume rebounded. Our team took advantage, closing $14 billion of total transaction volume, up 65% year over year. This strong performance puts us back on track toward achieving our 2025 operational and financial goals. GAAP EPS expanded 48% this quarter to $0.99 per share, largely in line with transaction volume growth, and specifically by a significant increase in originated MSR revenues. Those newly originated MSRs represent long-term contractual revenues that will boost our cash earnings over the next five to ten years.

As expected, growth in our adjusted metrics continues to lag GAAP earnings growth due to lower short-term interest rates year over year that is causing our placement fee earnings to decline compared to last year. Turning to our segment performance, our capital markets segment built significant momentum in Q2. We closed 68% more debt financing volume and 51% more property sales volume than the prior year. As a result, segment revenues grew 46% year over year, as shown on slide eight. Net income grew 200% to $33 million, while adjusted EBITDA also improved 116% to $1.3 million. As expected, under our variable compensation model, personnel expense for the segment grew 26% over the prior year on the strength of our transaction volumes this quarter.

Importantly, the momentum in our GSE volumes is promising, and we anticipate both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to remain active in the coming months, and that will continue to benefit our MSR and origination fee revenues the rest of the year. During Q2, we executed several larger deals and also saw an increase in shorter duration deals to take advantage of the shape of the yield curve. Those two trends are tightening our origination fee and MSR margins, and we expect both margins to remain in line with Q2 over the next couple of quarters. Our investment banking platform, Zelman, also had another strong quarter with 9% year-over-year growth in revenues, driven by robust demand for its investment banking, research, and advisory services.

We are very pleased to see the investments we made leading up to and during the Great Tightening benefit our financial results in the capital markets segment this quarter, and we expect the segment to perform well in a growing market over the coming quarters. Our Servicing and Asset Management, or SAM, segment continues to deliver stable and largely cash-driven recurring revenues and earnings. The servicing portfolio now stands at $137 billion, as shown on slide nine, and generated servicing fees of $84 million, up 4% year over year. However, total SAM revenues declined 5% in Q2 2024, primarily due to a 12% decrease in placement fees tied to the lower Fed funds rate. As a reminder, placement fees fluctuate directly with short-term rates. Depending upon future Fed action, revenues for this line item may increase or decrease in future quarters. Investment management fees were also down 49% this quarter.

While most of our investment management revenues are stable and recurring, a portion of the revenue is tied to asset performance and/or asset dispositions, particularly for our affordable platform. Consistent with recent years, we continue to see fewer affordable asset dispositions in response to lower asset values driven by the Great Tightening. As a reminder, we estimate realization-related revenues each quarter with a final true up recorded at the end of the year based on actual results. Based on last year's full-year results, we reduced our quarterly estimates for this year, which explains the majority of the decline in investment management fees in this Q2 versus last year's Q2. Based on the realizations to date and our second half pipeline, we continue to expect these revenues to remain in line with 2024 on a full-year basis.

That said, we continue to see strong investor demand for new funds in the affordable sector, and as Willy just mentioned, we closed the largest fund in that business's history this quarter, offsetting a portion of the decline in asset management fee revenue. Turning to credit, there were no new defaults this quarter, but we did recognize a $1.8 million provision for loan losses related to updated valuations for previously defaulted loans and year-over-year growth in the at-risk portfolio driven by the strength of our Fannie Mae loan origination volumes this quarter. Our key credit metrics are shown on slide 11 and demonstrate the credit quality and strong performance of our portfolio. Out of the nearly 3,200 loans in our $65 billion at-risk portfolio, only eight are in default as of the end of the quarter, totaling just 17 basis points.

Based on the 2024 financials that have now been collected for all loans in the at-risk portfolio, the weighted average debt service coverage ratio remains over two times, a testament to the strength of the property-level cash flows. We closely monitor the credit risk in our portfolio and continue to feel good about our clients' positioning. We ended the quarter with $234 million of cash on our balance sheet, reflecting the strength of our cash generation and the rebound in capital markets activity. Our capital deployment strategy remains focused on organic growth opportunities through recruiting and retention, reinvestment in strategic areas of the business, and continued support of our quarterly dividend. Yesterday, our Board of Directors approved a quarterly dividend of $0.67 per share, payable to shareholders of record as of August 21.

We have grown the dividend steadily for seven years, even in volatile markets, reflecting the strength and stability of our business model in up and down markets. In February, we provided annual guidance shown on slide 12 that anticipated GAAP EPS expanding at a faster rate than adjusted EBITDA and adjusted core EPS, due largely to the reduction in placement fees resulting from the decline in short-term interest rates. We expected the decline in cash revenues to be offset by an increase in transaction activity that would drive growth in non-cash MSR revenues. That scenario is playing out through the first six months as 41% growth in transaction volume so far this year has lifted our year-to-date diluted earnings per share to $1.07, up 5% over 2024.

Placement fees have fallen 14%, and year-to-date adjusted EBITDA totaled $142 million, down 9% from 2024, while adjusted core EPS declined 16% to $2 per share. Year-to-date return on equity improved slightly to 4.2%, while operating margin expanded to 9% compared to 8% in 2024. We remain committed to the full-year guidance we laid out in February, recognizing the path to achieving our targets requires focused execution and continued strength in transaction volumes. As we look ahead, we expect the momentum of the second quarter to carry into the back half of the year, supported by a healthy third-quarter pipeline, significant liquidity across commercial real estate lending markets, strong demand for commercial real estate assets, and positive underlying market fundamentals. Our second quarter performance reflects the pickup in market activity that we had been anticipating.

Pent-up demand, abundant liquidity, and the conviction to deploy capital are now driving a steady flow of transactions across our platform. Throughout the last few years, we remained committed to investing in our people, brand, and technology, and we believe those investments have positioned Walker & Dunlop to outperform as the market normalizes. Thank you for your time this morning. I'll now turn the call back over to Willy.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Greg. As the market recovers and expands into the next cycle, it is clear that the breadth of the Walker & Dunlop platform positioned us very well to win business, gain market share, and continue growing. As shown on slide 14 in our first quarter earnings call, we outlined several goals across the business that will allow us to continue meeting our clients' needs and achieve the financial targets that Greg just ran through. One important driver of our success in 2025 will be our ability to achieve at least an average of $200 million of transaction volume per banker or broker. As you can see on slide 15, we ended 2024 with an average production per banker-broker of $172 million, and with 222 bankers and brokers on the platform today, our annualized year-to-date volume puts us at $189 million per banker-broker.

On a trailing 12-month basis, our production per banker-broker is at $206 million, giving us line of sight to exceed the annual target we set last year as we take advantage of a reflating market. It is important to remember that those averages are over an expanding platform, with key hires over the past eight months to expand our New York capital markets team, add a very significant affordable finance team, add a hospitality investment sales business, launch the data center financing business, and open a new office in London, England. I visited our new London office in June and cannot be more excited about the growth opportunity for us in the European and Middle Eastern markets. It is an expectation that as this next cycle gains momentum, we will look to add additional banking and brokerage talent in our existing and emerging business verticals.

Over the past three years of the Great Tightening, our scaled servicing and asset management businesses generated strong recurring cash flows that allowed us to maintain adjusted EBITDA despite a dramatic decline in transaction activity. We never lost money during a quarter, and our peak-to-trough earnings were less severe than any of our major competitors. As our origination volumes increase during this next cycle, our servicing portfolio will begin growing much faster. Remember that between 2015 and 2020, the last expansionary cycle before the pandemic and Great Tightening, we saw our servicing portfolio double in size from $50 billion to $107 billion. As we see loan origination volumes increase, we also need to continue growing our investment management business.

We set a 2025 goal to raise $600 million of tax credit equity, up from $400 million last year, and in the first half of the year, the team has raised $270 million. We are also focused on growing WDIP, our real estate investment management platform, with a goal to increase capital deployment in 2025 to over $1 billion. Through the second quarter, the team has deployed $330 million of capital, and we expect transaction activity to pick up throughout the remainder of the year. In 2020, we laid out an ambitious five-year growth plan called The Drive to 25. We acquired Zelman to expand our research and investment banking capabilities. We acquired GeoPhy to bring machine learning and artificial intelligence into our business. We acquired Alliant to dramatically expand our affordable lending, tax credit syndication, and asset management businesses.

When the Great Tightening began and transaction volumes and earnings fell, we hunkered down and cut costs across the business. These new businesses performed well despite minimal investment over the past three years. Now, as the market recovers, we have a very clear vision for how they can continue to grow and add value across the W&D platform. We need to use Zelman's research capabilities and insights to make our banking and investment sales businesses even better. We need to integrate our investment banking operation, which is still primarily focused on the single-family industry, into our broader commercial real estate businesses and client relationships. We need to take the technology we acquired with GeoPhy and envision using it primarily in our small balance lending, appraisal, and servicing businesses and broaden it across our larger business verticals.

We need to take our broader client relationships across the multifamily industry and use them to scale our affordable lending, affordable investment sales, and affordable tax credit syndication businesses. It is time to continue to execute on the vision we had when we acquired each of these businesses in 2021 and 2022. As we do, we will make W&D a more competitive, insightful, and powerful company. I cannot focus on the future of W&D and the opportunities that lie ahead as we enter the next investment cycle without mentioning our team and the amazing people that are the heart and soul of Walker & Dunlop. I have met with investors of all shapes and sizes over Walker & Dunlop's 15-year history as a public company, and rarely do investors ask about the team, the culture, and the relationships that make Walker & Dunlop so unique.

The culture and brand of Walker & Dunlop are what make this company so special, unique, and powerful. I spoke earlier about revenue per banker-broker. The only way we achieve those numbers is if there is collaboration, teamwork, to the client engagement across our enterprise. I just spoke about the vision of integrating our 2021 and 2022 acquisitions into our broader business. That only happens with teamwork, collaboration, and an understanding of where we are all heading. I have been honored to lead this incredible company with its incredible people for over two decades, and I have never tired of saying thank you to our team for all they do every day for our customers and shareholders. When times get tough, the tough get going, and that's exactly what Walker & Dunlop has done for the past three years.

What is less appreciated but equally as important is that as times get good, the ability to scale and grow is only as big as the team's ability to work together, trust one another, and ensure that the people, processes, and technologies we have developed scale. The Walker & Dunlop team is ready, ready for the next cycle, ready to work together, and ready to benefit from the investment of time and resources that position us where we sit today. Thank you for your time this morning. I will now ask the operator to open the line for questions.

Speaker 4

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Speaker 0

Thank you very much. This quarter's growth rates were staggering in transaction volume, so great job to the team. In light of that, can you share at all how the pipeline looks so far for the third quarter and put any ranges, perhaps, around the kind of growth rates year on year that might be reasonable for the second half?

Speaker 3

Good morning, Jane, and thanks for joining us. As I said at the very top, the Q3 pipeline looks great. We are seeing sustained velocity, if you will, in the market. As my comments, I hope, showed, we are seeing, if you back up a year, Jane, you recall Q3 of 2024 when we had a surge in transaction volumes and then the yield curve inverted and long-term rates went up and transaction volumes sort of tailed off towards the end of the year. We are seeing nothing right now that would lead us to believe that the volumes we and our competitor firm saw in Q2 are going to be a quarterly phenomenon. As I tried to underscore, it clearly appears that capital needs to both be recycled back to investors as well as deployed into the market.

With rates where they sit today, clients have gone from a wait-and-see attitude to a let's-get-it-done attitude. As it relates to any additional guidance, I think Greg walked through clearly what we are seeing as it relates to the guidance we gave at the beginning of the year, the fact that Q2 gets us back on track to achieving that guidance. I think that's, Greg, if you want to jump in with anything else, feel free to, but I think that's about all we should be able to take on that front.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you've said it well. We've also given the guidepost, Jane, for what we're expecting in terms of banker-broker volume and things of that nature. As Willy said, we're feeling good about our path to not only achieving but exceeding some of those. That should give you some sense on a full-year basis what we're expecting.

Speaker 0

Thanks. On the Europe initiative, which I think is pretty interesting, can you comment as to what the strategy is? Is it to bring that capital into U.S. deals, or is it to build an operation to do multifamily or perhaps other asset classes there?

Speaker 3

As I mentioned, Jane, I was over in London in June and extremely pleased with both the team we put together as well as what I would call the market reception. Back before Walker & Dunlop opened up the European operations of a U.S. multinational, sort of similar to how Walker & Dunlop is going about doing this, I recall clearly when I would show up for meetings, people would be like, "Who are you and where do you come from?" We did a lot of sort of brand building as we launched those operations in Europe. I was both extremely pleased and, to be blunt, somewhat surprised at the strength of the Walker & Dunlop brand, meeting after meeting of, "We work with you in the United States.

Can't wait to work with you here in the UK and across Europe." We have a team that's very focused on the European market. Clearly, the European market has had, if you will, a very good run over the beginning part of 2025 as it relates to a market that people want to invest in. We feel good about investment flows into the European market and our transaction volumes over there beginning and then growing. At the same time, the U.S. economy continues to crank along. Although the trade war and trade policies have been confusing to investors, and we have clearly seen a slowdown in foreign direct investment over the first two quarters of the year, we're in this for a long, long period of time. We're not thinking about a quarter, a year, or even five years.

We're in Europe to continue to expand Walker & Dunlop, expand this brand and this company around the globe. After my previous, almost all my work experience before joining Walker & Dunlop, being in Latin America and being in Europe, after 22 years at Walker & Dunlop focusing solely on the United States, to be blunt about it, it's pretty fun for me to go back to some of the markets that I was in prior to joining Walker & Dunlop.

Speaker 0

Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 4

I'm sorry. Once again, if you have a question, please press star one. It appears we have no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll now turn it back over to Willy Walker. Please go for additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much. I would reiterate my thanks to the team on a fantastic Q2. Thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning, and I hope everyone has a great day.

Speaker 4

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.