American Superconductor - Earnings Call - Q3 2025

Executive Summary

• Q3 FY2024 (quarter ended Dec 31, 2024) delivered record revenue of $61.4M, up ~56% YoY, with GAAP net income of $2.5M ($0.06 diluted EPS) and non-GAAP net income of $6.0M ($0.16 diluted EPS); gross margin dollars rose to $16.3M as mix and utilization improved.
• Management guided Q4 FY2024 revenue to $59–$63M, GAAP net loss not to exceed $1.0M (≤$0.03/sh), and non-GAAP net income >$2.5M (>$0.07/sh).
• Orders of >$57M in Q3 put 12‑month backlog above $200M and total backlog above $300M, with grid at ~85% of revenue and wind ~15% (notably Inox Wind ECS orders).
• Estimate comparisons vs Wall Street consensus could not be retrieved from S&P Global at this time (rate limit). As a proxy, Q3 revenue exceeded the company’s prior guidance range ($55–$60M) issued in Oct (Q2), a positive surprise vs internal guidance.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Record revenue and profitability: “best quarterly results in years,” second consecutive GAAP profitable quarter; revenue >$60M (+56% YoY) and net income >$2M with $5.9M operating cash flow.
• Demand and backlog strength: >$57M of new orders in Q3; 12‑month backlog >$200M and total backlog >$300M, driven by diversified bookings across renewables, industrials, utilities, and military.
• Mix and scale benefits: Gross margin reached 27% vs 25% YoY on higher revenue and favorable product mix; grid revenue +56% YoY and wind revenue +58% YoY.

What Went Wrong

• OpEx step-up: R&D and SG&A rose to $14.6M vs $10.0M YoY, largely from NWL acquisition expenses (though ~19% were non-cash).
• GAAP EPS still modest and guidance implies a small GAAP loss in Q4 FY2024 (≤$1.0M), suggesting continuing non-cash charges (stock comp, amortization) remain a headwind to GAAP profitability.
• Wind customer concentration persists (Inox), with delivery pacing tied to customer payment schedules; management emphasized “batch to batch” order cadence—an investor concern on visibility.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good morning, and welcome to the AMSC Third Quarter Fiscal 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicol Golez, Director of Communications. Please go ahead.

Nicol Golez (Director of Communications)

Thank you, Gary. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to American Superconductor Corporation's Third Quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 Conference Call. I am Nicol Golez, AMSC Director of Communications. On today's call, I am joined by Daniel McGahn, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and John Kosiba, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer. American Superconductor issued its earnings release for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 yesterday after the market closed. For those who have not seen the release, a copy is available in the Investors' page of the company's website at www.amsc.com. The earnings release contains forward-looking statements with respect to future financial results. These statements are not guarantees of future performance.

The company's actual results may differ materially from the anticipated events, performance, or results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including due to the risk factors detailed in the SEC filings, which can also be accessed through the company's website. The company disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Also, on today's call, management will refer to non-GAAP net income, a non-GAAP financial measure. Tables of reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted financial measures can be found in the company's earnings release. With that, I will turn the call over to Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Daniel McGahn. Daniel?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thanks, Nicol, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin today by providing an update and sharing a few remarks on our business. John Kosiba will then provide a detailed review of our financial results for the third fiscal quarter, which ended December 31, 2024, and will provide guidance for the fourth fiscal quarter, which will end March 31, 2025. Following our comments, we'll open up the line to questions from our analysts. We're really excited to share a quarter of outstanding financial results. Total revenue for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 exceeded our guidance range and came in at a new record for us of over $60 million. Revenue grew over 55% versus the year-ago period, driven by both organic growth as well as the acquisition of NWL, with strong performance in both grid and wind. The business really outperformed this quarter.

We showed a new record level of revenue for John and I. We reported our second consecutive quarter of net income. We delivered our sixth quarter in a row of positive operating cash, and we continue the rate at which we're booking orders to backlog. We ended the third quarter with $80 million in cash. Talking a bit more about revenue, total revenue for the past nine months is greater than total revenue for the entire previous fiscal year. This means that whatever we do in the fourth quarter will be year-over-year growth. Our grid revenue accounted for 85% of AMSC's total revenue and grew over 55% versus the year-ago period. Almost 15% of the revenue came from our wind business, which grew by almost 60% versus the year-ago period. 55% and 60%, these are really big numbers. During our third quarter, we saw a wide range of product shipments.

A third of our product shipped to renewables projects, about 10% were military, and the remainder went into industrials. This quarter, we received over $57 million of new orders, 75% of which came from our grid business and 25% from our wind business. Our orders come from a diverse set of markets, including renewables, industrials, utilities, and military. We secured nearly $15 million in electrical control systems, or ECS, orders from our customer, Inox Wind. They expect to receive these ECS over the course of the first half of Fiscal Year 2025. Timing really depends on our customer's payment schedule. It seems clear they are ramping up their production. We see continuous demand for Inox's two- and three-megawatt turbines, as well as our two- and three-megawatt electrical control systems. We secured over $42 million of grid orders, driven in large part by a diverse set of industrial projects.

This puts our 12-month backlog above $200 million and total backlog above $300 million. We are pleased with these results and super excited about the rest of the fiscal year. Now I'll turn the call over to John Kosiba to review our financial results for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 and provide guidance for the fourth quarter of Fiscal Year 2024, which will end March 31, 2025. John?

John Kosiba (SVP, CFO, and Treasurer)

Thanks, Daniel. Good morning, everyone. AMSC generated revenues of $61.4 million for the third quarter of Fiscal 2024, compared to $39.4 million in the year-ago quarter. Our grid business unit accounted for 85% of total revenues, while our wind business unit accounted for 15%. Grid business unit revenues for the third quarter increased by 56% versus the year-ago quarter. This increase in revenue was primarily driven by the acquisition of NWL and increased shipments of new energy power systems. Our wind business unit for the third quarter increased by 58% versus the year-ago quarter. This increase in revenue was primarily driven by additional shipments of electrical Control Systems. Looking at the P&L in more detail, gross margin for the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 was 27%, compared to 25% in the year-ago quarter.

The year-over-year increase in gross margin was primarily driven by higher revenues, which improved factory utilization across our product lines. We also experienced a favorable product mix within both our grid and wind business units. Moving on to operating expenses, R&D and SG&A expenses for the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 were $14.6 million, compared to $10 million in the year-ago quarter. The year-over-year increase is largely associated with the inherited operating expenses from our recent acquisition of NWL. Approximately 19% of R&D and SG&A expenses in the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 were non-cash. Our non-GAAP net income for the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 was $6 million or $0.16 per share, compared with non-GAAP net income of $900,000 or $0.03 per share in the year-ago quarter. Our net income in the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 was $2.5 million or $0.07 per share.

This compares to a net loss of $1.6 million or $0.06 per share in the year-ago quarter. As you can see, our business has scaled nicely with the sharp increase in revenue over the past year. The increase in both non-GAAP net income and net income was primarily driven by the contribution margin associated with the increased shipments of our New Energy Power Systems, increased wind shipments of ECS, and the additional revenue from our NWL acquisition. Please see our press release issued last night for a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results. We ended the third quarter of Fiscal 2024 with $80 million in cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash. This compares with $74.8 million on September 30, 2024. We generated $5.9 million of operating cash flow in the third quarter of Fiscal 2024, and CapEx in the quarter was $500,000.

Now turning to financial guidance for the fourth quarter of Fiscal 2024, we expect that our revenues will be in the range of $59 million-$63 million. Our net loss is expected not to exceed $1 million or $0..03 per share, and our non-GAAP net income is expected to exceed $2.5 million or $0.07 per share. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Daniel.

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Thanks, John. We've now achieved two consecutive quarters of what I consider record-breaking revenue levels, one of $50 million, that was last quarter, and now $60 million, and we're guiding to another possible record-breaking quarter. As we approach the final quarter of Fiscal Year 2024, total revenue for the past three quarters reached an impressive $156 million. This revenue surpasses our entire prior fiscal year. When we look at our compound annual growth rate, we have grown by more than 25% over the past three fiscal years. The business has demonstrated growth both organically and through our recent acquisition. Let's discuss some additional benefits of the acquisitions when combined. The team has done an excellent job of integrating and making the last several acquisitions work and work together. We now have a combined product offering for industrials that is very broad.

We are providing power supplies for industrial equipment as well as industrial manufacturing capacity. We are providing capacitor banks and harmonic filters for these types of installations as well. We provide industrial power supplies for motor drives for a variety of applications, from pumps to fans to compressors. The same product portfolio is being deployed to support and stabilize the grid's ability to integrate renewable energy. By leveraging content from our prior acquisitions, we've expanded our ability to target industrial applications that were previously unattainable. Looking at the U.S. political climate, there appears to be a lot of rhetoric, which could translate into a better reality for U.S. industry. In fact, over 85% of our grid revenue this quarter came from the United States. We believe we could be well-positioned to benefit from the drive to manufacture in America, as most of our business is based in the U.S.

And supported by a mainly U.S. supply chain. We may be presented with opportunities uniquely available to us, given this fact. If we look back at the first term of the current administration, the drive towards reshoring American manufacturing capabilities was very strong. And factually, the renewable energy industry in the U.S. grew. For us, it's a very small part of our business. Overall, we see electricity needs driven in part by key industries such as artificial intelligence and data centers. This likely means the demand for electricity will continue to grow. To conclude, our longstanding customer in India is starting to accelerate their business, which could translate into growth for us. You can see that wind has been growing over the past several quarters. We see the orders from India this quarter giving us a clear path to continuing this trend in the near term.

If we look out a bit further in time, we see a deep pipeline of projects for a variety of materials, be it mining or chemical processing, and we have several potential semiconductor orders on the horizon. If we look even longer term, we see our business with the military having the potential to expand further. The business grew organically in both wind and grid. The addition of NWL is working and has opened up a cadre of customers. We are seeing business opportunities in new areas with utilities for data centers and for pipelines for traditional energy. We believe that it is imperative not only to enable clean energy, but to provide cleaner power for traditional energy as well. We are very well-positioned as a company that has diversified and has been growing at 25% when compounded annually over the past several years.

It feels like we really have reached a new level at over $60 million of quarterly revenue for the company, growing from having quarterly revenue in the $30 million range only two years ago. I am personally very excited about the future of the company. This is probably the most excited I have been. We believe we're in a tremendous position to take advantage of an ever-changing world. We are prepared to capitalize on the growing demand for energy and the need for a stable grid to support it. We have delivered another outstanding quarter and can see that the fundamentals of our business are well-grounded. This is truly an exciting time for us here at AMSC. Our future-facing technologies help harmonize the world's desire for decarbonization and clean energy with the need for more reliable, effective, and efficient power delivery.

I look forward to reporting back to you at the completion of our fourth fiscal quarter and fiscal year-end. Gary will now take questions from our analysts.

Operator (participant)

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question today is from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Eric Stine (Analyst)

Hi, Daniel. Hi, John.

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Hey, Eric. Good to hear your voice.

Eric Stine (Analyst)

Good morning. So you mentioned a deep pipeline. Obviously, you've got the backlog of $300 million plus has grown pretty substantially. Is there any way you can give more detail to the description, deep pipeline, whether it's trying to quantify it, how it's grown over the last year or two and with the new acquisitions?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. I think the simple way to look at it is that the pipeline growth rate is greater than the company's growth rate. The types of new opportunities that we're seeing, really, I think the thing that shines most is the diversity of what we're doing, so one of the things we want to ensure that we do as we grow is to not concentrate, and we've tried to really push as we brought more content in from the different acquisitions to get them to work together, to get them to work in projects across a variety of industries, and that really is showing up in the pipeline, so I'm really, really jazzed about where we are, where we've been, and where I think it looks like we're going to head to go.

And I think we have multiple pathways here to growth, be it in India with wind, be it in the U.S. with industrials, and then longer term with the military. Everything that we're now offering, not just ship protection, but the whole suite of products that I think we're in a really great position to continue on the trend that we've established.

Eric Stine (Analyst)

Got it. And I mean, obviously, I would think its magnitude is larger than your current backlog. I mean, is it fair to say that with these acquisitions, it increased by a factor of whatever the number is, 2x, 3x?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. I don't know even the factor, Eric. I just look at it and I look at the depth and the breadth, the deepness of our offering, the fact that the project sizes have grown, our content per project has grown, our engagement with customers has grown, and that across the company, we realize that each of the different elements within the total business kind of had its own customer list. And we're now starting to see the ability to cross over through multiple product lines, offer one combined offering into these great customers that we've been able to serve. And they're very excited that we can do more for them. And I think that really puts us in position to keep maintaining those great customer relationships that we've established.

Eric Stine (Analyst)

Got it. Okay. Great color. Maybe last one for me. Just on the wind side, you mentioned the orders received in this quarter. And I know Inox, obviously, 3-plus gigawatt backlog that you are exclusively supplying. I mean, how do you envision kind of this playing out going forward? I know if we look back a number of years, you kind of got a large order from I and then worked it off over time. And now I know you're focused on getting paid. And so they've been smaller but more frequent. I mean, is that kind of how we should expect things playing out going forward?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Simply, yes. I think that if you go back in our history, Inox was young and our financial stability wasn't what it was today. So there was desire on both parties to make sure that we were committed to a long-term relationship. We have demonstrated a great long-term relationship with Inox. I believe that will continue and hopefully will continue for a long time. They've really done a nice job in managing their business. We've told them not to worry about big orders or things like that. Whatever that they need, we're ready to serve. We have good contract terms that work for both sides. And they basically pay as they go.

They give us an instruction and say, "Hey, we need this as soon as we can, and here's the next batch." So I think we're going to see going forward more of a batch-to-batch to meet their demand. Clearly, based upon, and you articulated, I think, factually their backlog, that means more orders will come, and hopefully they'll come at a certain pace. But that pace is really predicated on, and it's really not Inox. It's Inox's customers' ability to pay them at the rate that they're paying them. So we are in a position right now. We see the wind business accelerating. And I think with these additional orders and the timing that they've ascribed to our delivery, it means that that pace should continue.

Eric Stine (Analyst)

All right. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

The next question is from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Colin Rusch (Analyst)

Thanks so much, guys. If you start to digest some of this growth, there's just a question around capacity and how you need to capacitize the company to meet that demand, and what can we think about from an operating leverage perspective or manufacturing leverage perspective on that front?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

I think it's a fantastic question. It's one of the things that I concern myself with because we've been growing so nicely and so rapidly. We want to make sure that our revenue outpaces the growth in fixed costs. I think we've demonstrated a great ability to do that. We think there's a lot of financial leverage in the business. We have said that we may need to, at some point in the future, think about capacity expansion, but that cost of that project is relatively minuscule compared to the cash balance that we hold today. So we want to make sure we're in a position to go forward with growth, and we want to be able to have the manufacturing capability to do that.

But I think directly, that doesn't mean we need to expand fixed costs, at least certainly not at the rate that we have been growing revenue or hope to grow revenue. So we think it's a fairly nicely constructed business. And we're looking, as we bring in each of these different acquisitions, we're looking to learn what each group does, maybe better or best practices out of the group, and bring that forward to all of them. I think the team has been very receptive to that. And more and more, it's a one unified face to the customer selling a stack of content that really is chosen by the customer and what they want to give us as the scope of a project. But I think our capacity today, we've had to be able to grow, principally, I've said in the past, through labor.

I do expect at some point in our future, we may have to spend some capital to be able to continue that. But again, it's not a huge project, and it's something that we can afford given the very strong balance sheet of the company.

Colin Rusch (Analyst)

Excellent, and then the second question is really around the pipeline of acquisition targets. You guys have clearly demonstrated a nice job in digesting some of that new capacity and integrating those businesses, but it looks like there's maybe a half a dozen or a dozen potential incremental targets. How are you guys thinking about that inorganic growth opportunity and augmenting the portfolio of offerings from here?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. I think what you said is accurate. We try to look for the right people with the right product, ideally with the right profit leverage as well that would fit into our business model, and the last P, I'd say it has to be at the right price, so I think one of the things that the company has shown is great strength in not chasing things at a very, very high price, so we've been able to get what we think are great companies at great prices with great people and great products, and if we can continue to do that again and it fits in, that certainly works. I think with the uncertainty that's coming in the market here in the U.S., it's an opportunity for us because I think we're uniquely positioned to grow.

But it may be an opportunity as well for potential targets where they may have some challenges in the near term and worry about their access to capital. And working with a company like ours might be a good fit for them. So we'll see how that works. Right now, we're digesting NWL. We feel very comfortable with what the team's doing. We've been able to do growth organically and with the addition of the revenue from NWL. But at some point, we need to turn and say, "Okay, can we continue to accelerate the rate of growth?" Because we've demonstrated such a nice rate. If we can continue that or come close to continuing that, I think that's in everybody's advantage and interest here.

Colin Rusch (Analyst)

Okay. Thanks so much, guys.

Operator (participant)

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. The next question is from Justin Clare with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Justin Clare (Analyst)

Hi. Good morning. Thanks.

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Morning.

Justin Clare (Analyst)

So I wanted to start here. You had mentioned in your comments potential opportunity here in data centers that you're exploring. I was wondering if you could just expand on how you're viewing that market, how you might approach it, which products could be a good fit for data centers? And then do you have any visibility into potential timing for orders that you could capture there? That'd be helpful as well.

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. I think it's a great question. It's something that we're looking at internally. We've seen inbound coming from really all the different business lines that face utilities. And what we're finding is there's a certain number of utilities, and you kind of know who they are based upon where these data centers are being built that are coming to us time and time again now with real distinct problems on the grid. So what we foreshadowed back a few quarters ago that really the opportunity for us is going to be that the grid needs to become more reliable to be able to support this additional capability. That seems like that's starting to come to fruition, at least in the pipeline. So we're seeing multiple projects, handfuls of projects from the same utilities that have the same problems that we can uniquely solve.

So it could be that they need some level of capacitance to be able to buffer power. They may need improved power quality. They may need to have more power supplied to a specific area. And in all those cases, we have an offering that fits really nicely. Again, it doesn't mean that we're going to be part of the CapEx to build the building, but we're going to be part of the CapEx to build the grid out to be able to support the capacity that's going into that project. So that's relatively new for us. That's exciting. I think the hard part, Justin, with me always is, well, what's the timing and what's the pacing? I think that's to be determined. I think it's up to our team to try to turn these prospects into projects that are funded and are going to use our product.

So I usually say stay tuned. I think it becomes part of the growth story. Certainly not in the next maybe year or so because the lead time for these things is more than a year. But I think as you look at the overall trajectory, as we look out a few years, I think it's very positive for us. And this would be one area that potentially could drive that future growth.

Justin Clare (Analyst)

Okay. Got it. Yeah. No, that's helpful, the detail there. So then, maybe just shifting over to your semiconductor business and the opportunity there. It looked like toward the end of the Biden administration, there was a rush to allocate funds under the CHIPS Act. And so, wondering how that opportunity is evolving here, how is demand trending, and do you see the potential for an acceleration as the CHIPS Act funding starts to get dispersed here?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. I think that's the exact way to look at it. The policy has been enacted, the funding has happened, and now projects are being constructed. I was looking at a bunch of stuff the past few days. And we look at all the names we're trying to support. It's not just the ones that we've mentioned. And I was trying to be deliberate about it in the prepared remarks. There are a series of kind of key large orders from semi that are right in our crosshairs that we want to get over the line. These are all for projects that are ready to construct, fully financed to construct, with really without any risk around the timing. I think longer term, what we're hearing from our semiconductor customers is the need for increased capacity is there.

So I think in the longer term, I think that will translate into more pipeline and more projects for us in the future as well. But in the relatively near term, we have a number of opportunities. We're trying to get over the goal line here that we think would be nice for the business in the next year or so.

Justin Clare (Analyst)

Okay. Great. Then just one more. We have heard that there are some challenges relating to permitting, particularly for wind projects, but also for solar projects. This follows the president's executive order on permitting for wind projects. Wondering if you could share, are you seeing any change in terms of order flow for your renewables business in the U.S. as a result of this, or do you see any potential challenges ahead here?

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

Yeah. It's such a small part of our business. We do not do a lot of business in the U.S. in renewables. So from a diversity and from a position of strength, we do wind in India, and we report that as a segment. And then we said that's 15% of the business. But the rest of renewables that would occur in the U.S. are a small fraction of that. So I think if in the future there's a drive to do more renewables, we stand ready and have it, but it's not been part of our business the past quarter or year or two or so. So it's not something that we really concern ourselves. And I think for our audience, it's not something that you're investing in us.

For us, it's really about becoming more about hardening the grid, strengthening the grid for a lot of these industrial capacity projects that we think are really going to start to take off here in the coming year and years.

Justin Clare (Analyst)

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Operator (participant)

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Daniel McGahn for any closing remarks.

Daniel McGahn (Chairman, President, and CEO)

What a great quarter. We're really, really happy. This is a point that we had hoped to get to, and I think when John and I looked at this back-of-the-envelope, we thought we'd be here a year or two from now, so we think we're well ahead schedule. We think the business really has outperformed even our own optimistic look, so as we look towards the future, it's clear the opportunities ahead of us are really vast. We stand ready to capitalize on that rising demand for energy and the critical need for the resilient grid to support it. We reached another consecutive record quarter with the revenue levels now over $60 million on a quarterly basis. The business has already demonstrated revenue growth with only nine months into the fiscal year.

This means we're close to doubling revenue from our fiscal year 2022 level only two years later. We see more industrials, including chips, as well as some wind on the horizon really out of India. I believe our business is at an exceptionally strong position, and I'm really excited to talk about some new markets for us today: data centers, more traditional energy. These are all things that require our product that we think we can benefit our key customers with. I look forward to talking to you again when we report our full fiscal year results next time. Thank you all. Have a good day.

Operator (participant)

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.