Aemetis - Earnings Call - Q1 2025
May 8, 2025
Executive Summary
- Q1 2025 missed on both revenue and EPS versus S&P Global consensus as India biodiesel shipments paused until late April; revenue was $42.9m vs $59.0m consensus and EPS was -$0.47 vs -$0.40 consensus, with higher SG&A tied to tax credit monetization also weighing on operating results. Estimates from S&P Global marked with an asterisk below.
- Management highlighted improving ethanol pricing, 17% YoY RNG volume growth, and the resumption of India biodiesel shipments in late April backed by $31m of OMC orders for May–July; LCFS pathway approvals for seven dairies are expected this quarter with monetization beginning in Q3, positioning H2 2025 for a revenue inflection.
- Cash ended at ~$0.5m after ~$15.4m of debt repayment and ~$1.8m of project investments; the company generated $19.0m cash proceeds from sales of investment tax credits in Q1 and expects further ITC/PTC monetization during 2025.
- Near-term catalysts: sustained India shipment run-rate in Q2, LCFS pathway approvals and Q3 monetization, progressing 45Z PTC marketing, and RNG capacity additions; medium-term: Keyes MVR project expected to add ~$32m annual cash flow from 2026 and scaling to ~1.0m MMBtu RNG by 2026.
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
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What Went Well
- Ethanol pricing tailwind and stable volumes: average ethanol price rose to $1.98/gal with 103% of nameplate capacity, lifting Keyes revenues by ~$1.7m YoY; CFO: “Revenues…reflect continued and strong execution by our California Ethanol and Dairy Renewable Natural Gas segments.”.
- RNG growth and LCFS trajectory: RNG sold rose to 70.9k MMBtu (+10.1k YoY); management expects seven CARB pathway approvals this quarter with LCFS monetization beginning Q3.
- Tax credit monetization: $19.0m of ITC sales provided cash in Q1; management expects additional ITC/PTC sales during 2025. “We expect…another couple of ITC sales during the course of this year… and… ongoing [quarterly] 45Z monetization.”.
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What Went Wrong
- India biodiesel pause drove top-line miss: Revenues fell to $42.9m from $72.6m YoY due to delayed OMC tenders; shipments resumed late April with $31m orders for May–July.
- Profitability pressure: gross loss widened to $5.1m (from $0.6m) and operating loss to $15.6m (from $9.5m), with SG&A +$1.6m largely from tax credit transaction costs in the quarter.
- Elevated interest burden and limited liquidity: interest expense rose to $13.7m, net loss was -$24.5m, and quarter-end cash was ~$0.5m despite $15.4m debt repayment; near-term execution depends on credit monetization and LCFS/India tailwinds materializing on time.
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good day, everyone. Welcome to the Aemetis First Quarter 2025 Earnings Review Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Todd Waltz, the Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Aemetis. Mr. Waltz, you may begin.
Todd Waltz (EVP and CFO)
Thank you, Kelly, and welcome, everyone. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that during this call, we'll be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on our current expectations and belief and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors discussed in our earnings release issued today and in our most recent Form 10-K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the caption "Risk Factors and Management Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations," as well as in our other filings with the SEC.
We undertake no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as required by law. Please refer to our earnings release and our SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties. Full financial details can be found in our Q1 2025 earnings release and Form 10-Q available on the Aemetis website and EDGAR. I'll briefly highlight the key items. Revenues were $42.9 million, down from $72.6 million last year, primarily due to delayed biodiesel contracts in India. That business resumed shipments in April, and we expect revenue to rebound meaningfully in Q2. The Keyes ethanol plant saw a revenue lift of $1.7 million due to stronger ethanol pricing, and RNG volumes were up 17% year-over-year.
Operating loss was $15.6 million, reflecting a $1.6 million increase in SG&A, mostly legal and transaction costs related to the $19 million of cash we received from selling investment tax credits. That cost will not recur at the same level going forward. Interest expense rose to $13.7 million, in line with our capital structure and investment phase. We reported a net loss of $24.5 million, roughly flat versus Q1 last year. Cash at the end of the quarter was $500,000, following $15.4 million of debt repayment and $1.8 million of investment into carbon intensity reduction and dairy RNG expansion. As Eric will describe shortly, we expect multiple revenue streams from India, LCFS credits, and federal tax incentives to ramp up as the year progresses, positioning us for a stronger back half of 2025. Now, I'll turn it over to Eric McAfee, our Chairman and CEO.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Thanks, Todd. Let me start with an update on our three core businesses: dairy RNG, California ethanol, and India biofuels. In our dairy RNG business, we're scaling gas production quickly. We expect to reach 550,000 MMBtu of production capacity this year and grow to 1 million MMBtu annually by the end of 2026. We're now operating our building at 18 dairies, backed by $50 million of USDA-guaranteed financing. Seven of our dairy pathways have completed third-party verification and are in final review at CARB, with approvals expected this quarter, unlocking meaningful LCFS revenue starting in Q3. At our ethanol plant, we've begun off-site construction of the $30 million mechanical vapor recompression system. This project is expected to reduce natural gas use by 80% and add an estimated $32 million in annual cash flow starting in 2026.
We've already secured $20 million in grants and tax credits to help fund the system. Ethanol pricing has strengthened since earlier this year, and the recent EPA approval of summer E15 blending provides tailwinds for margin expansion. In India, we resumed biodiesel deliveries to government oil marketing companies in April, following a six-month pause in OMC purchasing. New OMC tenders have been issued, and the business remains EBITDA positive and self-funding. We're preparing for an IPO of our India subsidiary, targeting late 2025 or early 2026, and evaluating expansion into RNG and ethanol production in that market. Looking at future projects, sustainable aviation fuel, we've received air permits and other permits for our 90 million gallon/year SAF and renewable diesel facility at the Riverbank site. When operated solely for SAF, capacity will be approximately 78 million gallons per year.
We are in active discussions on financing structures and are awaiting further clarity on the 45Z tax credit and state-level SAF mandates to support project financing. In carbon capture at our Riverbank site, we've completed initial drilling and pipe installation for our CO2 characterization well. The data we obtain from the next phase of drilling will support our class six sequestration permit application. Once permitted, the site is expected to sequester up to 1.4 million tons of CO2 annually. Regulatory tailwinds support strong growth outlook. Aemetis is positioned to benefit from a range of federal and state policies that directly enhance the value of our low-carbon fuel operations: the California Low Carbon Fuel Standard. Amendments adopted by CARB to establish a 20-year framework for reducing transportation fuel emissions are expected to become effective within the next few months.
Credit prices are expected to rise significantly as credit supply tightens and credit demand increases. Once provisional LCFS pathways are approved, Aemetis biogas could generate over $60 million annually from LCFS credits alone. Federal Renewable Fuel Standard. The sale of renewable natural gas qualifies for D3 RINs, adding $28-$40 per MMBtu in value. When combined with LCFS credits, this represents up to $100 million in potential revenue from RNG in 2026. Section 45Z Production Tax Credit. Effective January 1, 2025, this new federal incentive supports low-emission ethanol and RNG production. Aemetis is currently applying Treasury guidance to calculate and market these credits with additional clarification expected later this year. Section 48 Investment Tax Credits. Aemetis received $19 million in cash proceeds in Q1 2025 from the sale of solar and biogas-related investment tax credits. The company expects additional sales of both investment and production tax credits in 2025.
E15 Ethanol Blend Expansion. The EPA has approved summer use of E15, a 15% blend of ethanol, in 49 states. New legislation is advancing to allow year-round use, including in California. This would expand the U.S. ethanol market by more than 600 million gallons annually and lower fuel prices for consumers. In California, Governor Newsom has directed CARB to expedite the process for allowing the sale of E15 gasoline in the state, and the state legislature is currently considering conforming legislation. To date, California is the only U.S. state that does not allow the sale of E15 gasoline. Implementing E15 in California will increase domestic U.S. demand for ethanol by over 600 million gallons annually. These aligned policy developments are expected to significantly strengthen Aemetis's revenue, cash flow, and project economics across its renewable natural gas, ethanol, carbon capture, and SAF segments.
Looking ahead to full year 2025, we expect a significant ramp in RNG revenues starting in Q3, driven by LCFS pathway approvals and volume growth. India revenues are recovering with resumed biodiesel shipments. Ethanol margins will be supported by policy tailwinds in the near term and by the significant reduction in costs and increases in revenue planned from our MVR project beginning in 2026. We are monetizing tax credits and advancing development-stage projects, including SAF and carbon capture. Aemetis is positioned for growth and improved cash flow in the second half of the year and continuing through 2026. Now, let's take questions from our call participants. Operator.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, Mr. McAfee. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for any questions. Your first question is coming from Sumaya Jane with UBS. Please put your question. Your line is live. Sumaya, your line is live.
Sumaya Jane (Analyst)
Oh, sorry. Hi. I was wondering, how are you guys looking at the impact of tariffs on RNG production for 2025 and 2026, and how that's also playing out on the SAF side of things?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Our R&G value chain is almost entirely domestic. Our feedstock is produced by dairies in California. Our operating costs are primarily electricity we get from our local supply chain, which is actually hydroelectric in California. Our customers are all California trucking companies and fueling stations. The actual direct business is all domestic. We do have construction, and we so far have qualified for domestic content on all of our capital equipment investments. We are largely domestic in our supply chain for investments. R&G is a very domestic business. I would anticipate no direct impact. Sustainable aviation fuel as an operating activity is anticipating to use domestic feedstocks and sell to airlines in California. Our contracts all have delivery into San Francisco Airport, and we'd be shipping using our renewable natural gas trucks, which are, again, California located.
I think the investment in the capital construction may have some indirect impacts from tariffs. These tariff burdens have been changing daily. By the time I think we're actually doing these purchases, I think we'll have a substantially different picture of what the tariff impact is. It'll primarily just be on the one-time purchase of capital equipment if we do any offshore work.
Sumaya Jane (Analyst)
Okay. Great. How are you guys, I guess, what is driving the improvement in the balance sheet that you're forecasting? How's the debt outlook for 2025?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
We paid off $15.5 million of debt in the first quarter of this year, and we anticipate we will continue to be doing that through the next three quarters of the year. That is primarily from the benefits of the investments we're making. We get investment tax credits from those investments. Secondly, we are anticipating both the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, seven dairy pathways to be approved, and the 20-year mandate that is under the LCFS amendment to be adopted sometime over the next couple of quarters. Both of those together substantially increase our LCFS revenues, and substantially, as in 120% for those seven dairies, just in terms of number of LCFS credits. If those credits go up anywhere from 20%-50%, of course, that is compounded against the 120%. A dramatic increase. The third element there is additional dairies coming online.
We have four dairies slated to come online early this summer, and that, of course, is additional revenue. We also have an India IPO we're actively working on, and that will put a lot of cash on the balance sheet, as well as put us in a position to reduce debt. The last point is actually probably the most important point, and that is starting January 2025, the 45Z production tax credit, not investment tax credit, but production tax credit started. We are currently working on marketing our first round of production tax credits. This is revenue for both our ethanol business as well as our biogas business, and will significantly increase our ability to pay down debt during 2025 and 2026 as we ramp.
Sumaya Jane (Analyst)
Got it. Thank you.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Sumaya.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is coming from Matthew Blair with TPH. Please put your question. Your line is live.
Matthew Blair (Managing Director)
Great. Thank you very much. I had a question on the dairy RNG OpEx. It looks like OpEx per MMBtu has been trending in the $29-$30 per MMBtu ranges the past few quarters. Is that a good long-term target, or do you expect that to come down when you have the new dairies up and running? If so, what's a good long-term target for dairy RNG OpEx?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Our initial OpEx as a percentage of production has been inhibited because we've been in the startup phases of the dairies we've been bringing online. Our operating costs include actually digesters that aren't generating any MMBtus at all yet. I think we're going to be seeing a dramatic decrease in OpEx per MMBtu as MMBtus increase. A factor there, by the way, is we're in the winter. In the winter, our production is significantly less because it's colder and microbes just don't produce as much RNG. Just the natural function of seasonality would cut that almost in half just because you're doubling your MMBtus without doubling your staff. I would remark that we have built out a strong team that operates our own digesters, and we do very little outside contracting related to operations.
Our team is scaling up not just the 16 digesters we're scheduled to have by the end of this quarter, but frankly, 50 digesters. You'll see our OpEx is operating on the idea that we're scaling up rapidly.
Matthew Blair (Managing Director)
Sounds good. Eric, you mentioned that ethanol margins are improving in the second quarter, and we are seeing better ethanol prices, cheaper corn costs. Do you think that your California ethanol segment is on track for an EBITDA positive quarter, or is that maybe a little too much to ask?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
It's all about demand. The E15 approval happened last week, and ethanol is a national market, as you know. With more ethanol being exported, we set a new March record for ethanol exports with 155 million gallons. We expect E15 to increasingly be adopted because the EPA not only assured that this year we'd have not just the short waiver they provided, but all throughout the summer we'd have the waiver. They also stated they have every intention to get it approved. Next year, no waivers are required. E15 is an underlying, what I would call, incoming tide that's going to lift all boats. The combination of seasonality where people just drive more during the summer and then E15 adoption is a generally positive trend. Our margins are based upon the delta between corn and ethanol, as you know.
Currently, the corn prospects are moderate, but not bullish. Ethanol margins, I would say, are more on the bullish side. In general, I would think a strengthening trend, which we see almost every year. We'd expect to see again this year.
Matthew Blair (Managing Director)
Great. Thanks for your comments.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Matt.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is coming from Saeerir Joshi with H.C. Wainwright. Please put your question. Your line is live.
Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Hey, good afternoon and good morning, Todd, Eric. Thanks for taking my questions. I think I heard you while describing the India business IPO later this year or early next year, but you also mentioned potential of RNG and ethanol in that market. Can you please elaborate or give some color on that?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Yes. I actually appreciate you bringing it up. Our current business in India is a dominant biodiesel facility. We have 80 million gallons a year. We sell the product for roughly $3-$4 a gallon, depending on markets, but usually it is about $4 a gallon, including glycerin. You take 80, multiply it times 4, it is a $320 million revenue business in India that is well established. We did $112 million as of the end of September last year in the trailing 12 months. It is plenty large to get a successful IPO done. Our parent company has extensive experience in ethanol. We are the largest ethanol producer in California, one of the largest in the Western United States, of course, and in biogas, which has been for us a very, very successful venture in terms of new market position and signing 50 dairies, etc.
In our India business, we are very proactively looking at renewable natural gas opportunities and, frankly, ethanol. Ethanol is a favorite of the India government. It's a domestic feedstock. It comes from either sugarcane or corn. They call it maize in India. Corn has the benefit of providing about 20%. 28% of the feedstock becomes an animal feed. That's the disposed grain that helps farmers. Not only is corn grown by farmers, but then it feeds livestock in India. It's sort of a double benefit to the farming community. That has resulted in a lot of political power. The consumption of ethanol hit 19.4% in 2024 in India. They've set a new target of 30% over the next 60 months.
The ethanol business in India has also the benefit that the government sets a minimum price for corn and then sets a minimum price for ethanol in order to provide new markets for corn in the country. We see the same opportunities in biogas. They set a threshold price on renewable natural gas that is very attractive. Being in a strong position, we decided that diversification is something we have both the technical competence as well as the market position to be able to take full advantage of. The timing of that is designed to help our IPO evaluation. We have specific projects we're reviewing right now.
We expect over the next two quarters to announce what those projects are and to have a diversified IPO of a rapidly growing company in India with truly exciting prospects and strongly supported by the India government because of the benefits to the agricultural sector in India.
Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. No, thanks for that color. It makes sense. Just a follow-up on India there. There's trouble on the border there right now. Do you expect any, just early days, and maybe it will subside? Do you see any hiccups that could arise because of that development?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
We're down on the East Coast and the southern part of the East Coast in Andhra Pradesh, so we're about as far from it as you can get without going swimming in the ocean. It has had no impact on us, including our supply chain, our customer base. It just had no impact at all. I have watched the same news reports you have. The Indian government is working diligently to try to de-escalate. This is a flare-up that I do not think either side needed or wanted, but I do not expect it to last very long. I do expect it to be resolved favorably for both parties by just saying, "Don't shoot at each other." They are not going to become friends, but they are not going to see any benefit from a military skirmishing.
Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Makes sense. In addition to the $31 million order for the biogas in India, do you expect another round before, say, in fall or something, or you do not see that happening?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
The $31 million order is through the month of July. Our shipment started basically the last week of April, but mostly it is May, June, and July. We are pressing, as the industry is, to not see a repeat of what happened to us in the fourth quarter of 2024 and the first quarter of 2025. The delay that occurred there, we are not looking to repeat. I think the oil marketing companies and the government are now highly, certainly very aware, and I would even say sensitized to the need to keep the orders flowing in order to not have this sort of an industry production gap that happened.
Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Understood. Just one last question. I know you talked about, in addition to, in response to previous questions about reducing debt, but the EB-5 and maybe now the Gold Card that Trump has proposed, are there any opportunities where you can get cheaper debt from those sources?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Yes. We announced last year that we are approved now for $200 million EB-5 financing. Our net interest costs are less than 3% on those funds, and it is subordinated debt, so we can do senior debt on top of it. We are seeing a very active EB-5, and it is a combination of enforcement of immigration rules in a way that we have not seen for a while. People here on their work visas and student visas are looking seriously about whether they want to stay for a while. EB-5 is really the only program available to really assure them of not having a loss of immigration rights. Secondly, interestingly enough, in India, the stock market has done very, very well.
We're seeing many more Indian families that just have the financial capacity to have their kids go to school in the U.S. or already are in school and already have family here. EB-5 is, I think, just more affordable than maybe perhaps four, five, six years ago. That combination together has brought a number of very proactive investors to us, and we continue to work on closing our next round of EB-5 investors.
Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Sounds good. Thanks, Eric, for taking my questions.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Sure. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is coming from Derrick Whitfield with Texas Capital. Please put your question. Your line is live.
Derrick Whitfield (Managing Director)
Good morning, Eric McAfee. Thanks for taking my questions.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Hey, Derrickk.
Derrick Whitfield (Managing Director)
Eric, could you update us on the progress of 45Z, as you understand it, with respect to timing of final rules from Treasury and whether you're expecting a unique pathway for dairy RNG?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
The appointment of the head of tax policy at Treasury is pending. It could happen in the next couple of days. That will be Ken Keyes. I attended Ken Keyes's confirmation hearing approximately two weeks ago, and he is a well-known factor in Washington. I believe that his response to the confirmation question from Senator Grassley was extremely important.
Senator Grassley from Iowa, of course, has 42 ethanol plants in the state and specifically asked, "Would Ken Keyes, as the head of tax policy for Treasury, not wait for new legislation, not wait for new regulation to be issued by Treasury, but instead take the existing law passed in 2022, regulations issued in January 2025 and implement it?" The response in writing from Ken Keyes was, "Yes, I will do so." What it was referring to was the provisional emissions rate, which for biogas is a very large number compared to the emissions rate that is a default in the Greek model. The emissions rates of default was the Department of Energy and EPA calculating all the methane emissions from all the animals in the U.S. divided by all the animals. All the chickens and ducks and turkeys and everything else were divided into the emissions.
The loser in that calculation, which for us ends up being about a -33 carbon intensity, is dairies. Dairies produce a lot more manure and then do an excellent job of capturing it and converting it to valuable vehicle fuel. Our carbon intensity in California under the California grid is a -380, not a -33. For us, our focus has been on getting the provisional emissions rate process to work. We have Ken joining the Treasury as early as next week, and his task is going to be to figure out how to get a PER process to work, which they promised in January. We are certainly looking for that to be a short process. The benefit for us would be a significant increase in the value of our RNG molecule.
Currently, we're about $14 an MMBtu, and we would expect a very significant increase in terms of 5x+ multiple of that in terms of an approved provisional emissions rate.
Derrick Whitfield (Managing Director)
Yeah. Eric, and just to put a bow on that, I mean, you guys would be looking at something north of $60 per MMBtu. It all depends on conversion, but just playing the math of the PER, it's your -380. It's a big number.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
It is. Actually, there are three numbers. The third one is a dollar. The first one is a number of gallons. The second is the emission rate. Emissions rate times a dollar, we get that. They are currently calculating the number of gallons at 7.8 gallons per million British thermal units. The same federal law, the same month, we calculate our D3 RINs of the Renewable Fuel Standard at 11.7. Strangely enough, two federal laws have two different numbers of gallons we are delivering into a truck, same truck, same MMBtu, but instead of 11.7 gallons, which has been federal law for 20 years, we are only getting 7.8 gallons. You can imagine I have mentioned that to a number of senators and congressmen, that consistency needs to get rectified. We are looking actually at 11.7 times our emissions factor times a dollar is what the actual calculation should be.
I think it's going to have to be baby steps. We get the emissions rate correct, and then we'll probably have to get Treasury guidance to get the energy density corrected. We can sell multiple rounds of tax credits on the same molecule, so we're not prohibited from selling at this current rate and then at a higher rate as they get their calculations to work.
Derrick Whitfield (Managing Director)
Very helpful. With my follow-up, I wanted to lean in on ethanol fundamentals. While there are several variables at play with ethanol, do you have a view on ethanol and corn crush margins in an environment where E15 were adopted across 49 states?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Andy, you want to take that?
Andy Foster (EVP, President, and COO of Advanced Fuels Subsidiary)
The waiver that was provided by the EPA certainly is positive. It's not new. As you know, they've provided the waiver previously. I think it provides a level of certainty as we go into the summer. I think the thing we're kind of keeping our eye on is being that one holdout state, California, being the only state in the U.S. that's not allowed to sell E15 gasoline. The governor has made it clear that he wants CARB to expedite the process. The legislature seems very open, really more so than we've ever seen before. There seems to be a good deal of support with that. Adding E15 in California would be a huge boost to all the U.S. ethanol producers, but certainly us in California would be a real benefit.
I think corn futures have come down quite a lot this week, which is not good for producers, but good for buyers, us. Ethanol has remained relatively stable, trading in about a $0.6-$0.8 band for the last, call it, 45 days. Typically, that does strengthen as we get into the summer. I think the other thing that we've noticed in the last couple of weeks is there's been a drawdown in inventory, which is necessary and has been good. We still have a fair amount of inventory nationally that we need to chew through. As you know, Derrick, ethanol exports are well on pace this year to be smashing the record. You add those combinations together, and I think the near-term outlook is better.
For us, getting our MVR system installed, speaking just about Aemetis, not the ethanol industry as a whole, will have a dramatic impact on our carbon intensity score. You add those things together, I think the outlook from a cash flow perspective in the ethanol business is very positive as we head into 2026.
Derrick Whitfield (Managing Director)
That's great. A lot of potential to go on for you guys. I'll turn it back to the operator.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is coming from Dave Storms with Stonegate. Please pose your question. Your line is live.
Dave Storms (Director of Equity Research)
Morning, everyone.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Morning, Dave.
Dave Storms (Director of Equity Research)
Just want to start with a quick modeling question. Are there any investment tax credits that you have left to sell in 2025? Just any thoughts on how many tax credits, investment credits you may generate in the remainder of the year?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
We definitely have a sale actually in process for ITCs. These lag the completion of the project. It's called the in-service date because of the various documentation you have to pull together. There is up to a six-month or more lag between completing the actual project. We will be bringing projects online in the next couple of months and then another set of projects later on this year. I expect probably another couple of ITC sales during the course of this year. Probably even more important to the company's cash is 45Z sales. If we can get provisional emissions rate, we'd be looking at some of those in the next couple of months. That will be an ongoing process, which I would expect would be at least quarterly to get our 45Z production tax credits monetized.
Dave Storms (Director of Equity Research)
Understood. That's perfect. Can you just remind us, once your digesters are approved and achieve that full approval, is there a lookback on the carbon intensity for credits that have been generated in the last six months, a year? Any lookback like that?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Andy, do you want to talk about that?
Andy Foster (EVP, President, and COO of Advanced Fuels Subsidiary)
Yeah. One quarter is the lookback period, depending on what the date is when we receive the final approval. We've gone back and forth with CARB on a couple of minor RFIs, and we're expecting that approval to happen, hopefully, this month, the next couple of weeks.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Just because from a modeling perspective, I want to make sure you get this clarity. We do expect to be approved this quarter for the first seven dairies. It'll be our first pathway approvals we've ever gotten, which is a little slow. It'll have taken us about two years. We won't reflect that revenue or cash during the second quarter. Those get generated at the end of the second quarter and will be monetized in the month of July. We will show that as third-quarter revenues. By the time we do our conference call for the second quarter, we'll be able to tell everyone exactly how much we've monetized. It'll show up in third-quarter revenues. From a process perspective, it will be for the first quarter's production approved in the second quarter.
Very early, like one week into the third quarter, we will show it as cash on our account.
Dave Storms (Director of Equity Research)
Understood. That's very insightful. Thank you for taking my questions.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Sure. Thank you, Derrick.
Operator (participant)
Your next question is coming from Ed Woo with Ascendient Capital. Please pose your question. Your line is live.
Ed Woo (Senior Research Analyst)
Yeah. Congratulations on all the progress, and especially on the India IPO, where you said it's going to be late this year, early next year. Have you decided what you're going to be doing with the proceeds? Is there any plans for significant expansion into, like you said, RNG or into sustainable aviation fuel?
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Our India IPO proceeds will be primarily focused on building out the Indy business. We're also going to be putting a cash balance that historically we've not run at the company. Historically, we try to pay down our expensive debt, but I would expect we'll end up with a significant cash balance, which will show up on the parent company consolidated balance sheet. I would expect a certain amount of the money would be repayment of parent company debt. When we get repaid from India, from amounts we've advanced to India, we would then use it to repay our parent company debt. Since we're talking about debt repayment, we do have not only investment tax credits, but also loan refinancings that we're working on.
Debt repayment for us is a very high priority, and we expect later on this year to see continued progress, not only paying down interest and principal, but also refinancing and the lower-cost financing.
Ed Woo (Senior Research Analyst)
Great. Thanks for answering my questions, and I wish you guys good luck. Thank you.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Ed.
Operator (participant)
We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session, and I will now turn the call over to management for their closing remarks.
Eric McAfee (Chairman and CEO)
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Todd Waltz (EVP and CFO)
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Operator (participant)
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