Sign in

You're signed outSign in or to get full access.

The Andersons - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

August 5, 2025

Executive Summary

  • Q2 2025 EPS of $0.23 ($0.24 adjusted) materially missed consensus, while revenue of $3.14B beat; segment profitability declined YoY due to oversupplied grain markets, lower ethanol crush, higher corn basis and natural gas costs.
  • The Andersons acquired the remaining 49.9% of TAMH for $425M (net $385M), immediately accretive to EPS and aligning reported earnings with Renewables’ full EBITDA; unrestricted access to TAMH cash flows enhances capital allocation flexibility.
  • Management raised full-year adjusted effective tax rate guidance to ~22–25% (from ~18–22% in Q1) and framed a 2026 run-rate EPS target (~$4.3 per share equivalent to prior $475M EBITDA target).
  • Liquidity remained solid ($351M cash); Q2 capex increased to $49M on long-term growth projects (Houston port expansion), and Skyland FY25 EBITDA outlook trimmed to $25–30M given western grain weakness — setting up for 2H improvement with large harvest and carry markets.
  • Stock narrative catalysts: TAMH consolidation, 45Z tax credits, carbon sequestration permit progress at Clymers IN, Houston soymeal export capacity by mid-2026; execution and regulatory clarity should drive estimate revisions and multiple support.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

  • What Went Well

    • Renewables delivered efficient operations with record yields; management expects stronger margins into late 2025 on demand and post-harvest corn cost relief (“recent uptick in board crush occurred in July… expected reduction in corn costs post-harvest”).
    • Strategic TAMH acquisition doubles financial ownership in ethanol, is immediately EPS accretive, with limited execution risk because ANDE already operates the plants (“we currently operate the four plants with Andersons employees”).
    • Strong liquidity and leverage below target; Q2 cash from ops before WC changes of $43M, long-term debt/EBITDA ~1.9x vs <2.5x target.
    • Quote: “This transaction should be immediately accretive to EPS and will better align our reported EPS and EBITDA” — CEO Bill Krueger.
  • What Went Wrong

    • EPS fell sharply YoY; adjusted EBITDA declined to $65M (vs $98M YoY) on oversupplied western grain markets, lower board crush, higher eastern corn basis and natural gas costs; Renewables EBITDA fell to $30M (vs $52M).
    • Agribusiness profitability down YoY; merchandising and assets impacted by surplus grain and weak customer demand; adjusted pretax income fell to $16.8M (vs $32.6M).
    • Elevated OpEx with Skyland integration and investments; Q2 OAG rose to $135M (vs $117M YoY).
    • Analyst concern: Skyland FY25 EBITDA trimmed to $25–30M from the low end of $30–40M prior guidance due to western grain headwinds.

Transcript

Speaker 4

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Andersons 2025 second quarter earnings conference call. My name is Joe, and I'll be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll facilitate a question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star on your telephone keypad, star then one. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. On today's call, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up during Q&A. You may re-queue if you have additional questions. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. I will now hand the presentation to your host for today, Mr. Mike Hoelter, Vice President, Corporate Controller, and Investor Relations. Please proceed.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Joe. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for The Andersons' second quarter earnings call. We have provided a slide presentation that will enhance today's discussion. If you are viewing this presentation from our webcast, the slides and commentary will be in sync. This webcast is being recorded, and the recording and the supporting slides will be made available on the investors' page of our website shortly. Please direct your attention to the disclosure statement on slide two, as well as the disclaimers in the press release related to forward-looking statements. Certain information discussed today constitutes forward-looking statements that reflect the company's current views with respect to future events, financial performance, and industry conditions. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially as a result of many factors which are described in the company's reports on file with the SEC.

We encourage you to review these factors. This presentation and today's prepared remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included within the appendix of this presentation. On the call with me today are Bill Krueger, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Valentine, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will be happy to take your questions. I will now turn the call over to Bill.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the call to discuss our second quarter results and outlook for the remainder of 2025. I'd like to start off by thanking all our employees for their continued hard work navigating the current markets while also evaluating several growth and M&A opportunities. Since our last earnings call, we have been able to advance our strategy through a number of projects. The most significant action was the purchase of our partner's share of our four ethanol plants. We have evaluated several ethanol opportunities and determined that this acquisition was the best use of our capital. I will talk more about this on the next slide. We have two significant long-term construction projects that we expect to have fully completed by mid-2026.

Construction continues at the Port of Houston, which includes improvements to the grain facility as well as the expansion that will allow us to export soybean meal. In June, the EPA released the proposed RVOs for 2026 and 2027. This signaled further regulatory support for biomass-based diesel production, which in turn should drive increased domestic soybean crush, allowing the Houston expansion project to be well-positioned to export the surplus meal. We have another project that builds on current capacity and serves a commercial need for a major energy company. We expect financial contributions from both projects starting in 2026. We have also recently completed projects to convert excess capacity at four of our grain elevators to perform light processing of premium ingredients for CPG companies, allowing us to better serve our customers and further improve our strong farmer relationships.

With the current macro conditions in the ag industry, we remain focused on working hard for our customers and furthering our strategy. Our renewables business had a solid quarter with strong production numbers, including record yields and increased demand. In agribusiness, we had improved fertilizer results with increased volume and margin, as an increase in corn acres required additional nitrogen. We recently completed the wheat harvest, and our facilities are prepared for the increased corn volumes expected at harvest. With the next slide, we'll discuss the ethanol acquisition. Our process to evaluate plants includes both strategic and financial criteria, and we have been disciplined in our approach. The strategic requirements include large and efficient production, the right geographic location to support the ethanol supply chain, and the capability to produce low carbon intensity ethanol. As we were actively evaluating options, we kept returning to our own plants.

We know the plants since we have been operating them for over a decade and know that they have been well maintained. We have plans to improve both efficiency and profitability moving forward. Completing this transaction affirms our commitment to the ethanol industry. Details of the transaction are listed on the slide. We purchased approximately 250 million gallons for $1.54 per gallon before considering working capital. We have limited integration risk given that we already manage and operate these setups. Plant management, marketing, and administrative support will remain the same going forward under the new name of Andersons Renewables LLC. We were able to fund this transaction with cash on hand of $300 million and borrowings under our existing credit facility. This transaction should be immediately accretive to EPS and will better align our reported EPS and EBITDA, as we now control 100% of the EBITDA within the renewable segment.

Cash can be managed across the enterprise, allowing more flexibility, and will drive efficiencies in capital deployment. Next, Brian will cover some key financial data on the second quarter. After that, I'll be back to discuss our forward strategy and outlook.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Bill. We're now turning to our second quarter results on slide number six. In the second quarter of 2025, the company's reported and adjusted net income attributable to The Andersons was $8 million, resulting in earnings per diluted share of $0.23 and $0.24 on an adjusted basis. This compares to adjusted net income of $39 million or $1.15 per share in the second quarter of 2024. Revenues increased slightly with the addition of Skyland Grain, despite overall lower commodity prices. Gross profit declined due to challenging ag fundamentals and an outsized year-over-year comparative in renewables. Expenses also increased with the majority relating to the addition of Skyland Grain. Adjusted pre-tax earnings were $15 million for the quarter compared to $45 million in 2024, with the decline coming from both segments. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $65 million compared to $98 million in 2024.

Our effective tax rate varies each quarter based primarily on the amount of income or loss attributable to non-controlling interests, as well as tax credits. With the ethanol transaction Bill discussed and the reduction in income attributable to non-controlling interests, our full-year adjusted effective tax rate is now expected to be in the range of 22% to 25%. Next, we'll move to slide seven to discuss cash, liquidity, and debt. We generated cash flow from operations before changes in working capital of $43 million in the second quarter compared to $89 million in the second quarter of 2024. While down year over year, this continues to demonstrate our ability to generate positive cash flows throughout the ag cycle. Our readily marketable grain inventories continue to be well in excess of our short-term debt, and we ended the quarter with a cash balance of more than $350 million.

Next, we'll take a look at capital spending and long-term debt on slide eight. Second quarter capital spending was $49 million compared to $29 million in 2024, with the increase attributable to spending on long-term growth projects, as well as normal maintenance capital on the addition of the Skyland Grain assets. We continue to take a disciplined, responsible approach to capital spending, which we expect could reach $200 million for the year, excluding acquisitions. Our long-term debt to EBITDA is approximately 1.9 times, which remains well below our stated target of less than 2.5 times. We funded the post-quarter ethanol transaction using cash on hand and borrowings on our line of credit, and continue to have a balance sheet with significant capacity to support further growth investments.

We are evaluating additional projects in our pipeline, including projects to improve efficiency and increase capacity at our existing facilities, as well as further M&A opportunities that align with our growth strategy. Now we'll move on to a review of each of our businesses, beginning with Agribusiness on slide nine. The Agribusiness segment reported pre-tax income attributable to the company of $18 million and adjusted pre-tax income of $17 million compared to adjusted pre-tax income of $33 million in the second quarter of 2024. As expected, our nutrient business benefited from strong demand driven by the high corn plantings. Volumes were up substantially, and we saw a modest increase in margins as well. Similar to the first quarter, oversupplies of grain and weak demand in the Western Grain Belt impacted our asset locations and merchandising businesses as end users continued to make short-term purchasing decisions.

We continue to evaluate opportunities to optimize our business portfolio, as well as achieve efficiencies from combining the management of the former Trade and Nutrient business segments. During the quarter, we made the decision to exit a few underperforming businesses and minority investments that no longer align with our strategy. We will continue to review our portfolio, which could result in some additional changes going forward. Agribusiness had adjusted EBITDA for the quarter of $46 million compared to $56 million in the second quarter of 2024. Moving to slide ten, Renewables generated pre-tax income attributable to the company of $10 million compared to $23 million in the second quarter of 2024. Ethanol margins remained favorable on efficient plant operations and elevated demand. Plant production remained high with record yields and gallons produced up year over year.

Partially offsetting these factors were lower ethanol board crush and increased input costs, including higher Eastern corn basis and natural gas costs. Feed values were lower and are expected to remain challenged with a surplus of soybean meal in the market. Renewables had EBITDA of $30 million in the second quarter compared to $52 million last year. With that, I'll turn things back over to Bill for some comments about our outlook for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brian. We're positive about the last half of the year. We're prepared for the fall harvest and are excited about the opportunities ahead of us. In our renewables segment, the recent uptick in board crush and continuing increased demand suggest a stronger margin environment through the end of 2025. We could see record exports and expect that a large harvest will lower Eastern corn basis. We're interested in pursuing additional opportunities in ethanol and renewable feedstocks. We continue to make progress on plans to improve efficiencies, increase capacity, and lower the carbon intensity of our ethanol. We expect that all four of our plants will begin to generate 45(c) tax credits over the next year.

A Class 6 well permit has been filed on our behalf for a potential carbon sequestration project at our Clymers, Indiana, production facility, which, if approved, would allow us to generate additional tax credits through on-site sequestration in the future. Agribusiness should see improvement in the last half of the year as wheat harvest concludes and fall harvest has the potential to be one of the largest in recent history. Our U.S. grain asset footprint should allow us additional storage and handling opportunities as we accumulate large quantities of grain at reasonable values. That will be positioned for both domestic and export use. Additional clarity on trade negotiations will help reduce market uncertainties. The third quarter is generally quiet for the fertilizer business, but we could see increased post-harvest application as weather permits. We are going to primarily focus on completing our long-term capital projects and integration in agribusiness.

We continue to evaluate additional growth projects and acquisitions aligned with our strategy. As mentioned earlier, with the near-term macro challenges in U.S. agricultural markets, we are taking this opportunity to assess our portfolio businesses and the enterprise organizations that support them to extract more value for the shareholder. We will continue to invest in our safety practices and culture, particularly around assets newer to our portfolio. We had previously provided a run-rate target of $475 million of EBITDA by 2026. With the acquisition of the minority interest in our ethanol plant and the potential impact of tax credits to be delivered from our renewables segment, we are now converting our existing EBITDA target into an EPS measure. At the time we set the target, the $475 million EBITDA would have equated to EPS of approximately $4.30 per share.

We anticipate meeting the run-rate EPS target by the end of 2026. I'm proud of our team's resilience in this dynamic environment. Our balance sheet remains strong, allowing us to fund additional growth. We will continue to make responsible decisions that benefit our customers and maximize shareholder value as we execute on our strategy. With that, we are happy to answer your questions.

Speaker 4

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. To withdraw a question, you may press star then two. At this time, we'll pause just momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Ben Klieve with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

All right, thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on the transaction you announced. It's really great to see. First question on this. You noted the kind of regulatory dynamic here is supportive of the space, which is, you know, which seems to certainly be clear and in an accelerating fashion. I'm wondering two things. One, did the timing of the transaction, was that correlated to this kind of regulatory tailwinds? Also, you noted that there are some opportunities to unlock more capacity within the existing four facilities given regulatory tailwinds. Can you talk about the incremental capacity that you could potentially introduce into these four facilities here given the regulatory dynamic?

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I would tell you that we've been pretty clear over the past eight quarters that we've been looking at ethanol, additional ethanol capacity. I would not say that the recent regulatory changes, which were actually only signed into law July 4th, really had a material effect on the transaction. We'd been working on this transaction for a few months prior to that. In terms of additional capacity that we can unlock, as I mentioned in my stated remarks, Ben, is that we do have a Class 6 well permit that was filed on our behalf that we're waiting for approval, which would unlock more opportunity at the Clymers, Indiana, facility. If we do that, both our Clymers, Indiana facility and potentially Albion would be locations where we have plenty of corn supply, again, meeting our criteria that we could look at expansion opportunities.

Speaker 3

Got it. Thank you. On the agribusiness segment, you noted some non-strategic exits. Can you characterize what those businesses were and what the financial impact was, you know, either in the quarter or on a full-year basis?

Speaker 4

Yeah, sure, Ben. We can go through those. I would say a couple of things. There were a couple of minority investments that were probably, it was an impact of about $7 million in the adjustments, and then there was a wind-down and sale of a couple of facilities. We sold a facility in Idaho, and also announced some closure on some of our contract manufacturing business on the fertilizer side. Net-net, those were probably a few million dollars. Actually, there was a small gain on one of those sales, and then there were a few other modest adjustments, but those were the main pieces.

Speaker 3

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, Brian. I guess one more for me, and I'll get back in queue. You talked about the conditions on the ground here where you've got kind of a stale grain network here over the past quarter, and also a bumper crop coming up. Given these conditions, can you talk about the outlook here for kind of the mix between merchandising and storage for the second half of the year?

Speaker 4

Sure, Ben. As we look at the wheat harvest that was just completed, there's been more opportunity on space utilization than pure merchandising opportunities. You know, obviously, we still have to finish what appears to be a very large corn crop. That also should allow us to generate more income from our elevators than from our traditional merchandising. With the size of the crop that we're looking at, we expect both of those opportunities to be improved in the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Got it. Very good. All right, plenty more to talk about, but I'll leave it there. Congratulations again, and I'll get back in queue.

Speaker 4

Our next question will come from Ben Mayhew with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hey, good morning, guys. Congratulations on the deal. I think it's great that you're bringing it in-house. On that topic, can you discuss why acquiring the balance of TAMH ethanol assets was the right move now for The Andersons? How does this deal fit into your longer-term strategic objectives to grow your EBITDA? I think you said at the end of the prepared remarks that you expected to hit your EBITDA run rate by 2026. I'm assuming that this all kind of ties into that. If you could just elaborate, please. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks for the question, Ben. I will hit the first part of the question and then have Brian address the EBITDA versus EPS portion of the question. From our perspective, if we want to invest more in ethanol, taking the opportunity to acquire 50% of four plants, three of which we've built, the fourth one we've been operating since 2014, felt like a better deployment of capital, allowing us to be able to capture more EPS for our shareholders. Quite honestly, as I mentioned, very little integration risk. All the employees are Anderson employees. The management and the marketing will all remain the exact same. We just simply have more financial opportunity from this investment versus buying plants that may need additional capital investment and that we don't know the marketplace as well as we do around the four plants that we already own.

In terms of something right down the center of the fairway for us, this feels like it couldn't hardly be better. Second of all, it also allows us to grow in the space and not have to take additional risk in terms of integration, allowing us to continue to look at additional plants and/or opportunities in renewable feedstocks simultaneously.

Speaker 4

To comment on the EBITDA versus EPS, since The Andersons was already consolidating TAM into the results, our EBITDA already included 100% of TAM, because EBITDA is before non-controlling interests. From a practical perspective, Andersons shareholders were really only benefiting from about 50% of that plant EBITDA. Now going forward, we'll really have the full earnings benefit as well as the full cash flow benefit and impact to those cash flows on an unrestricted basis because it won't be in a joint venture anymore. To frame the context from an EPS perspective, if we did a pro forma over the last four years, the incremental EPS impact for us would be in the range of $0.70 to $0.75 per share on an annual basis if you look at 2021 to 2024, and at a peak year like 2023, it frankly could be north of $1.00 a share.

That is why between now owning 100% of it and getting the full earnings per share, as well as going forward, things like tax credits aren't factored in to an EBITDA number either. We felt it made more sense to convert to an earnings per share number and focus on that going forward.

Speaker 1

Got it. That's very clear. Thank you for the context there. Just staying on ethanol, the fundamental environment, it seems like, I mean, clearly first half had its struggles, higher corn basis in the Eastern Belt, higher nat gas costs there during periods of time. It seems like we may have turned a corner here headed into the second half. I was just hoping if you guys could give a little more updated outlook, kind of detail-wise, on where you think things are headed margin-wise. If you think 2026 could potentially be better with all of the policy stuff that's going on. Thank you.

Speaker 2

I'll take that question then. Until we get to new crop harvest where we will have some relief to the Eastern corn basis, we will have to focus on the current margin structure. However, I would tell you that I believe our team has done an excellent job in getting ownership of the corn basis in the east at or below the market through this period of time. That's one of the benefits that having the large corn program has brought to us. If you look at exports, you look at driving demand, the balance of 2025 feels like it should be better than the first half of 2025 has been.

As you look into 2026, there are a lot of opportunities that we are evaluating today in order to drive more free cash flow out of our plants, using the entire set of regulatory and traditional methods of managing the ethanol plants. I do think it's important to understand that these plants have been successful without regulatory changes for a number of years. We feel very confident in their location and their ability to continue to generate profits like they have in the past with the potential addition of some regulatory benefits with the extension of 45(c) through 2029.

Speaker 1

Okay. I'm going to sneak one more in here. On the Port of Houston investment, you know, soybean meal prices have been falling. Crush capacity is expanding in the U.S. Obviously, the RVO has, you know, very important implications for that. Can you just walk us through, like, how this investment works even with lower prices? I mean, is it a situation where you're taking advantage of, you know, the elevation margin aspect of the soybean meal transaction? This might actually be more beneficial because you're getting it at, you know, at cheaper, at interior costs, and then you're shipping it overseas for more expensive prices. Just kind of allay any concerns over, you know, lower soybean meal prices and the impact it might have on that investment. That'll be it for me. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yeah, good question. For the export execution of soybean meal, the flat price or even the basis of the meal is not nearly as relevant as the fact that the U.S. is likely going to produce more soybean meal than there is demand. With the shelf life of soybean meal being very different than wheat or corn because it has to ship, we believe that there's going to be opportunities where soybean meal is forced to move to export parity. That is going to be driven by price and by much more than just the U.S. crush industry. It is going to be driven by global S&Ds, specifically South America, of soybean meal. As that price structure goes lower, it actually will make us more competitive.

As you think through it for the export arm of our facility in Houston, the price of the meal only matters in order to drive it to export parity versus how it affects the crush margin for the soybean plant.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

If you have a question, you may press star then one to join the queue. Our next question will come from Pooran Sharma with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Speaker 0

Good morning. Thanks for the question. I just wanted to ask about Skyland. You mentioned in the prepared comments that there was some revenue contribution. I was wondering if you could detail what that was from the quarter. I believe last time you had mentioned that you were anticipating achieving the lower end of the $30 to $40 million EBITDA guide. I was just wondering if you could provide some updated thoughts on Skyland.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I will start with that, Brian. Good to talk to you this morning. As we mentioned in the first quarter results, the lack of export demand for milo or sorghum specifically and hard wheat has made it very difficult for Western assets to generate the expected profitability that we were looking at. That did not change in Q2 as we had hoped it had. The Skyland assets were faced with an environment where they had to compete for the domestic feed demand, which was lower due to the cattle on feed in the region. As we sit here today, looking forward, the setup for Western grain assets looks very good. We had above expected hard wheat or wheat handle at Skyland. The carries in the wheat market are very good to pay us for our space income.

Following right behind that is a corn crop that in that area sometimes can run the risk of not yielding quite as good because there is a fair amount of dry land corn. From our perspective, the results coming out of Skyland for the first half were below expectations. The results coming out of Skyland potentially for the last half should meet and hopefully exceed expectations. Just to be clear, and as I said after Q1, Western grain assets had a struggle in the first half of 2025. Skyland was not immune to that.

Speaker 4

Yeah, Brian, just to provide a little context from a financial perspective, you asked about revenue. It was about $200 million in each of the first two quarters, so just a little under $400 million year to date. With regard to the full-year EBITDA outlook, you're right. We previously said we thought it would be on the low end of that $30 million to $40 million range. If we had to characterize it today, I would probably put it somewhere in the $25 to $30 million EBITDA range for the full year.

Speaker 0

Okay. Appreciate the color there, gentlemen. I wanted to also ask about, you know, you mentioned in the prepared comments that all four plants did get 45(c) tax credits over the next year. I was just wondering if you could help us flush that out a little bit. What type of CI score are you ultimately trying to get to, or what type of, how much of a tax credit do you think you could squeeze out of your plants?

Speaker 2

Brian, I would tell you that today we are still working on the benefit of that tax credit, and we will be much more prepared to talk about that at the end of Q3 and into Q4 as we get some clarity on the legislation that was passed on July 4, 2025.

Speaker 0

Okay, I appreciate that. Nonetheless, I think it's positive that you'll be getting those credits. Maybe we could understand the deal a little bit more here. You mentioned in the prepared comments, I believe you said you bought the incremental $2.50 at $1.54 a gallon. From a per gallon perspective, what else is kind of out there, do you think? Because $1.54 sounds like a steal. I'm assuming, I'm comparing this to like a Red Trail and Gevo asset that was at $3.23 a gallon, but that had all the bells and whistles in terms of sequestration. I just wanted to get a sense of what you saw out there in the marketplace and why $1.54 was the best choice for you.

Speaker 2

To be clear, that $1.54 was for the structural assets. When we added that, working capital is closer to $1.70, but we have to compare it against the new builds or the expansion gallons. That is why we use the $1.54. You can do the math when you add the $40 million back. You know, ethanol plants are very interesting. We've looked at many, certainly more than 20 plants over the course of the last 18 months. To be able to say, what have we been able to see out there? As we've talked about location, size, technology, the ability to originate corn, all bring in a different dynamic for, as I mentioned, both the strategic and financial criteria. As an organization, we felt like the purchase price that we paid for the remaining 49.9% was fair to both parties.

Speaker 0

Okay, appreciate that detail. I will jump back in the queue.

Speaker 4

This will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mike Hoelter for any closing remarks.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Joe. We want to thank you all for joining us this morning. Our next earnings conference call is scheduled for Wednesday, November 5, at 8:30 A.M. Eastern Time, when we will review our third quarter results. As always, thank you for your interest in The Andersons, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon.