Axalta Coating Systems - Earnings Call - Q3 2016
October 27, 2016
Transcript
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Axalta Coating Systems Third Quarter twenty sixteen Earnings Conference Call. Presenting today will be Charlie Shaver, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Robert Bryant, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and replays will be available through November 3. Those listening after today's call should please note that the information provided in this recording will not be updated and therefore may no longer be current.
At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Chris McRae for a few brief legal notices. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker 1
Thank you, and good morning. This is Chris McRae, Axalta's VP of Investor Relations. We appreciate your continued interest Axalta and welcome you to our third quarter twenty sixteen financial results conference call. Joining us today are Charlie Shaver, Chairman and CEO and Robert Bryant, EVP and CFO. This morning, we released our quarterly financial results and posted a slide presentation to the Investor Relations section of our website at www.axaltacs.com, which we'll be referencing during this call.
Both the prepared remarks and discussion during this call may contain forward looking statements reflecting the current view of future events and their potential effect on Axalta's operating and financial performance. These statements involve uncertainties and risks that may cause actual results to differ materially from those forward looking statements. The company is under no obligation to provide subsequent updates to these forward looking statements. This presentation also contains certain non GAAP financial measures. The appendix to the presentation contains reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures.
For additional information regarding forward looking statements and non GAAP financial measures, please refer to our filings with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Charlie.
Speaker 2
Good morning, everyone. Thanks for listening this morning, and I'm pleased to update you on our performance over the past quarter. Despite some challenging macroeconomic conditions and end market headwinds in certain geographies, we delivered a good third quarter with both top line and bottom line growth year over year. We also made important progress on several operational initiatives. Our overall third quarter result, including net sales growth and a solid adjusted EBITDA growth with expanding margins, keep us on pace to meet our full objectives for the year.
The quarter was particularly important for us due to a number of events outside of our core operating results, including closing on three acquisitions, which we referenced on our Q2 update, the completion of Carlyle's exit from their investment in Axalta, the appointment of another new independent board member as part of this transition process. We also completed two significant refinancings of our capital structure and saw multiple new product launches across several businesses. Axalta's broader global business climate remains sound, especially considering that the majority of our operating profit is generated by the fundamentally stable refinish end market tied to the global collision market. We've seen some slowing in the more economically sensitive auto and commercial vehicle related OEM markets, much of which is a continuation of demand pressure that we've witnessed for some quarters now and has been well noted in the trade press. We will address this as part of our prepared remarks and our forward looking commentary.
Backing up, I'll cover some highlights from the quarter and then turn the call over to Robert to review segment and financial performance in more detail. So if you would turn to Slide three of our presentation. We are pleased overall with our financial performance in the third quarter, which included ongoing revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth versus last year, achieved in the context of a still choppy global economy, which has held our end markets to a slower growth rate than we would consider structurally normal. Clearly, our progress on the cost and productivity side has played an important role in maintaining our adjusted EBITDA progression. We expect we continue to pull these levers for some time or even accelerate such actions in the event that demand doesn't cooperate looking ahead.
That said, for now, it seems that global demand in the vast majority of our end markets remains fundamentally stable, and it's possible that the recent pullbacks in markets such as North America heavy duty truck are more mid cycle corrections rather than multiyear downturns. Looking at third quarter net sales reported at just over 1,000,000,000 we saw volume and price increase up 4.4% versus last year's third quarter before the impact of currency translation. This growth was inclusive of a 2.6% contribution from acquisitions and tilted towards price and mix benefits over organic volume, which was held back in large part by slower core growth in industrial and commercial vehicle end markets. Our core Refinish as well as our Light Vehicle markets saw continued revenue growth in the mid single digits before FX impact and the benefit of acquisitions. Adjusted EBITDA, as we communicated on our last call as an expectation, sequentially dipped slightly from a very strong Q2 and grew a solid 7.5% year over year to $233,000,000 versus $217,000,000 last year.
This outcome was driven by year over year rebound in Asia Pacific light vehicle volumes, progress in cost cutting and improved price and mix, particularly in Refinish, offset in part by continued operating costs from investments to support growth plans. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the third quarter remained strong, up 110 basis points to 22.8% versus 21.7 last year, reflecting our ongoing cost and productivity progress as well as benefits from improved price and mix in the quarter. Our new product innovation initiative showed ongoing progress in the third quarter as well. We're pleased to have launched a key new refinish product in EMEA called SiRox, which is a mainstream waterborne coating system, which is highly competitive in that market segment, and we expect to roll out globally over time to fill a largely unserved market segment today. In addition, we also launched an early sanding primer in EMEA, which further improves body shop cycle time efficiency.
In our Industrial segment, we introduced a new high performance epoxy primer for the agricultural construction and earthmoving market, while in Light Vehicle, we launched a new clear coat to protect carbon fiber substrates in certain high performance OEM applications. Regarding our productivity initiatives, including Axalta Way and Fit Growth, we remain on track for our full year $60,000,000 combined savings target. In the third quarter, we finalized certain European initiatives that will streamline some of our plant operations support structure. Given timelines associated with restructuring in certain EMEA jurisdictions, we accelerated certain actions to ensure we see benefits in our 2017 cost structure. We're also working on action plans for implementing the remaining portions program for 2017.
Looking at our balance sheet and cash flows, the third quarter saw some significant steps taken to refine our capital structure and take advantage of the low interest rate environment. We completed two refinancing transactions, which substantially reduced our interest expense going forward as well as other attractive terms. Additionally, we took advantage of the environment to also leverage an amendment of our senior credit facility to extend the $400,000,000 revolver from 2018 to 2021 with better pricing. On cash flow, we finished the quarter with cash from operations of $145,000,000 driven by strong earnings while maintaining good discipline on working capital. We also prepaid $150,000,000 in our U.
S. Term loan debt in October subsequent to the quarter end. On the M and A front, we closed three transactions in the third quarter, which were reviewed on our last earnings call in July. We remain confident in the outlook and the contribution from these businesses in terms of both cost and revenue synergies, and our acquisition centered integrations are well on track. The pipeline of available M and A transactions remain fairly robust for Axalta.
We continue to evaluate a variety of transactions to extend our global technology and market presence in key focus areas. In the meantime, our October $150,000,000 debt repayment demonstrates our continued interest in and our commitment to reducing debt with excess cash flow and working towards our net leverage goal of 2.5 to three times, well within the next naturally to the timing and scale of any M and A transactions that we might consummate. In terms of our outlook for the full year 2016, we believe we'll come in at the lower end of our existing range of net sales, FX and adjusted EBITDA, which is inclusive of our contributions from acquisitions in 2016. Relative to our prior outlook commentary, we've seen slower volume trends in both EMEA and Latin America, which collectively could reduce Q4 volumes somewhat. The slowing is most meaningful to our transportation coatings, particularly commercial vehicle, and to a much lesser extent in performance coatings, particularly in industrial.
In summary, our third quarter was another good result in terms of showing our resilience to our business model and the impact of our cost savings to offset both broad based market slowness as well as to absorb new investments that continue to be made to support longer term growth. To end the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA of $233,000,000 against this market landscape was particularly satisfying, also reflecting margin performance approaching 23% versus our stated objective of 22% plus. So we've continued to generate revenue growth. We've expanded our margins through the year consistently. We continue to target meaningful cash flow improvement as demonstrated for the nine months to date.
Further, we've executed on early M and A goals, while also refinancing our debt and reducing absolute debt along the way with the October prepayment. Axalta is proud of its performance to date, and we're certain from an operating execution standpoint, we're just really getting going. That said, we're mindful that the backdrop is always in flux. We acknowledge a broader concern by certain investors around the health of automotive and vehicle markets, with some signs of slowing in certain areas showing up this past month and what you've read about in the trade press. Although we don't see significant levels of slowdown in our customer base today, we observed that certain OEMs appear to be acting quickly to address particular inventory buildups in certain markets, which in turn can impact our own volumes within the one third of our business that serves OEM auto plants.
We are working diligently in real time to adjust our costs and make plans to keep our cost structure appropriately scaled for the market environment, whatever the outcome with the ultimate production rates. We also note that our refinish business continues to perform largely as planned and offers an ideal counterweight to any new build cycles, while our plans to grow share in other businesses also remain in place. We're confident in our medium and longer term success from this supply discipline and look forward to updating you on our progress along the way. Robert will now review Axalta's third quarter results in a little more detail. Thank you, Charlie, and
Speaker 3
good morning. If you turn to Slide four of our earnings presentation for a summary of our third quarter consolidated results, you'll see that constant currency net sales in the quarter increased 4.4% year over year, driven by 5.8% growth in Performance Coatings and by 2.3% growth in Transportation Coatings. This growth was driven by a combination of 2.5% volume growth and 1.9% average price realization. Foreign currency translation reduced net sales by 2.1% in the quarter, which was a significantly less impactful amount compared with impact in the same quarter a year ago and also down from 6.9% that we saw last quarter. As expected, the majority of the currency impact relates to the year over year devaluation of the Venezuelan Bolivar, now coupled with incremental weakness from the British pound and the Mexican peso, offset in part by appreciation of the Brazilian real.
We offer a view of the basket of our largest currency exposures in the appendix to our earnings presentation. Looking at third quarter sales volumes, Axalta generated 2.5% volume growth, though volumes were flat excluding acquisition contribution of 2.6%. Performance Coatings was essentially flat for the quarter coming off a strong Q2, especially in Refinish, where we originally assumed a weaker third quarter and noted our expectation of a slower sequential result on our last call as a result of our strong performance in the second quarter. Transportation Coatings saw ongoing volume growth in light vehicle offset by continued weakness in commercial vehicle sales. Positive price and mix contribution of 1.9% in the third quarter was similar to the second quarter amount and driven principally by our Refinish end market within Performance Coatings, where core pricing was coupled with ongoing FX driven pricing within certain Latin American jurisdictions.
Transportation Coatings was broadly flat with some offset from FX driven Latin American price recapture. Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of $233,000,000 increased 7.5% from last year's $217,000,000 This profit growth included 110 basis point jump in adjusted EBITDA margin to 22.8%, driven by positive volume and price leverage as well as savings from cost improvements and productivity enhancement and offset partly by foreign exchange impacts and ongoing growth investment across some businesses. Moving on to our Q3 Performance Coatings results. Segment net sales for Performance Coatings increased 5.8% year over year in the third quarter on a constant currency basis, driven by growth in both end markets and all regions. 2.9% volume growth was more than accounted for by 3.4% acquisition contribution, with core volumes impacted in part by ongoing weakness in Latin America.
Average prices in the segment increased 2.9%, led by increases in Refinish and relatively flat average selling prices in industrial, similar to what we experienced last quarter. Net sales growth was offset by 2.76 headwinds seen in Q3 twenty fifteen, so notably tamer in terms of that overall headwind. Refinish net sales increased 4.9% on a constant currency basis versus last year's third quarter, driven principally by strong price and mix effects. The net sales result also included a 3.1% negative foreign exchange impact. Constant currency net sales in our industrial end market increased 8.2% year over year, including solid contribution from the DuraCode acquisition as the largest contributor to the volumes.
Third quarter volumes in industrial remained negative in Latin America and slowed somewhat sequentially in North America, while other regions continued to show solid growth. Like last quarter, price was largely flat as we expected. Performance Coatings generated adjusted EBITDA of $149,000,000 in Q3 versus $139,000,000 in the year ago This result was driven by a positive drop through effect of price and mix as well as variable cost leverage, though offset in part by unfavorable currency impact and ongoing investment spend to support our planned growth. Adjusted EBITDA margins increased notably from 23.1% last year to 24% in this year's third quarter, driven by the price and mix leverage we referenced earlier, as well as progress with our cost and productivity initiatives. Switching now to Q3 Transportation Coatings results.
Transportation Coatings net sales for the third quarter increased 2.3 year over year before negative currency impact of 1.2%. Net sales growth included 1.3% contribution from acquisitions in the period. Core growth in constant currency was driven by mid single digit light vehicle growth, offset by the ongoing fairly notable slowdown in the smaller commercial vehicle end market. Light Vehicle third quarter net sales increased 6.7% before foreign currency impacts, with growth led by Asia Pacific and North America, offset by nearly flat performance in Latin America and also by some slowing in EMEA, including both Western Europe and certain peripheral countries such as Turkey. Asia Pacific benefited from a more normal production rate in Q3 against last year's notable inventory correction.
Commercial vehicle net sales declined 11.9%, excluding foreign currency translation, which was slightly more than the 8.3% pullback seen last quarter, driven by the continued slower production trends in both North America and Latin America heavy duty truck that began largely in Q4 twenty fifteen. Broader commercial vehicle weakness in non truck related end markets and equipment also continues. Transportation Coatings generated third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $85,000,000 up from $78,000,000 a year ago with positive net sales drop through as well as stronger margin performance this year. Margins remained strong with the adjusted EBITDA margin increasing 150 basis points from 19.5% in third quarter last year to 21 this quarter. This included the benefit of both net sales drop through as well as some help from Axalta Way savings as well as moderate variable cost relief year over year.
This was partially offset by slight currency headwinds and modest investment spending to support certain regional growth plans. Now looking at some of the key balance sheet items. As of September 30, cash and equivalents totaled $528,000,000 up from $480,000,000 at second quarter end, while total reported debt was $3,480,000,000 resulting in a net debt balance of $2,950,000,000 Our net debt to LTM adjusted EBITDA ratio was 3.3 at quarter end, sequentially even with last quarter. However, this amount includes the impact of $107,000,000 in cash outflows in the quarter associated with M and A activities as well as debt structure changes I will describe. Free cash flow in the third quarter totaled 114,000,000 fairly close to the $123,000,000 reported in the same quarter last year, net of Q3 CapEx of $31,000,000 versus $37,000,000 respectively.
We continue to focus on longer term working capital improvement, and we're generally pleased with the outcome this quarter and year to date results as we continue to make progress on maintaining working capital discipline. With regard to our capital structure, during the third quarter in August and then again in September, we accomplished two significant refinancing transactions, which collectively improved our capital structure. We issued $1,380,000,000 in senior unsecured notes and replaced existing secured and unsecured notes, while also paying down a portion of our euro based term loans. In combination, this two stage refinancing accomplished a number of goals. We lowered our annual interest expense by $20,600,000 We took our average cost of debt from 4.7% to 4%.
We increased the portion of fixed rate debt. We increased our mix of unsecured borrowings, which now exceed our secured debt term loans. We increased our percentage of euro based debt to more closely match our euro based earnings and we substantially extended our debt maturities from 2020 to 2014, while also extending our revolver maturity to 2021, all with favorable pricing. Regarding overall capital allocation, we continue to focus our free cash flow on debt reduction, targeting leverage of 2.5 to three times net debt to LTM adjusted EBITDA within the next year. Subsequent to the quarter end, we repaid 150,000,000 on our U.
S. Term loans with cash on hand, which further reduces our interest expense by another $5,600,000 on an annualized basis and taking total cash interest savings to $26,000,000 from combined capital structure optimization on an annualized basis. Our continued interest in M and A within this framework could impact debt reduction timing if we are able to consummate additional transactions along the way. This year, we expected to spend upwards of $100,000,000 on acquisitions, and we largely achieved this goal over the summer. We are confident that the expected returns associated with these transactions are well in excess of those we achieved from debt reduction given our average cost of debt.
That said, we balance our return focus with our stated goal to minimize equity market volatility risk and hence reaffirm our debt reduction goal. Given this commitment, we were happy to receive further debt rating upgrades as S and P increased our corporate rating to BB in June and Moody's followed upgrading us to BA3 in August. Moving on to our 2016 full year outlook. Our press release and accompanying slide deck outline our guidance components for the remainder of the 2016 financial outlook. I'll elaborate on a few of these items.
We expect 2016 net sales to grow at the lower end of the previously communicated 4% to 6% range on a constant currency basis. However, we now expect to be within this range inclusive of the expected 2016 acquisition contribution as core organic sales have seen some incremental pressure recently from key markets that we've outlined. These include slower EMEA sales and transportation, continued slower growth in commercial vehicle in North America and Latin America and slower growth in industrial, particularly in North America. We've also updated our FX assumptions as indicated in the appendix to our earnings presentation and continue to expect reported net sales for the year to be essentially flat based on current exchange rates on an as reported basis. Although the bulk of our foreign exchange basket has moved favorably in recent months, including Brazil, we continue to face expected headwinds from the pound, the Venezuelan Bolivar and certain other emerging market currencies.
Overall, Refinish market dynamics continue to be stable and supportive for expected core growth, although we observed that global Refinish volumes appear to be below our structural expectation thus far in 2016. We do continue to gain market share across global Refinish markets coming largely from geographic expansion, introduction of new products and ongoing consolidation by our end customers, largely in North America. Our industrial end market also remained stable overall, though Q3 growth was somewhat held back by slower demand in North America with ongoing pressure in the oil and gas segment as well as certain general industrial customers. We continue to add new customers at a solid rate, but core existing customers have seen some volume pressure as the year has progressed. As such, we have reduced our Q4 growth rate expectation in industrial somewhat.
We continue to see light vehicle net sales growth in the low single digits as we have targeted earlier in the year. Clearly, however, some slowdown of EMEA production is having an impact in the second half and we have baked this result into our expectation for the balance of the year, including increased downtime for certain customers in EMEA and North America for Q4. This outlook has been indicated and revised forecasts by IHS and others who have pointed to Brexit as well as excess inventory in The U. S. Channel as causes for this revision.
As we've noted already, commercial vehicle market performance remains slower and has been driven by from both heavy duty truck as well as non truck end markets, focused primarily in North America. We still do not expect significant outgrowth versus overall commercial vehicle end markets in our current plan for the year. We continue to expect this pressure to work its way through the year, albeit at a reduced year over year rate of impact as we annualize the slowdown that began this time last year. Forecasters appear to be calling for a moderate decline for U. S.
Class eight truck in 2017 to approximately 200,000 units, though it seems they believe the majority of the pullback is now behind us in terms of order rates and implied production. For 2016, we expect adjusted EBITDA to fall at the lower end of our previously communicated range of 900,000,000 to $940,000,000 including the contribution from twenty sixteen acquisitions. This outlook factors in somewhat slower top line growth than the original baseline forecast with associated reduced drop through of earnings. It remains well supported by the guided $60,000,000 in productivity savings from our ongoing Fit for Growth and Axalta Way initiatives. This is partially offset by anticipated currency impacts and continued incremental investment spend on growth.
Regarding the spending, we note that Axalta remains committed to ensuring strong returns on capital and on spending. We are actively planning incremental cost reduction ahead of our previously communicated plan in the event that we feel that volume growth will not support operating cost growth we have introduced over recent periods. As you have heard, with some demand slippage in certain areas evident, it is incumbent on our team to manage our cost structure to meet the demand climate, and we will meet that challenge. In this regard, we have taken certain incremental actions on the cost side to accelerate some cost reduction actions, which will benefit our cost structure in 2017. And we have booked an incremental $15,000,000 in severance costs in the quarter on top of our previously communicated non recurring cost targets of $25,000,000 for the year.
For interest expense, the partial year benefit of our term loan prepayments and refinancings has lowered our forecast to $180,000,000 from the midpoint of 185,000,000 in our prior guidance. Our adjusted effective income tax rate is now expected to fall between 2426%, including a partial year operating benefit from the establishment of our new European headquarters Switzerland as well as other contributing factors. We retain guidance for diluted share counts of $242,000,000 to $245,000,000 shares, capital expenditures of approximately $150,000,000 depreciation and amortization of approximately $320,000,000 and net working capital of 11% to 13% of full year 2016 net sales. This concludes our prepared remarks. We'd be pleased to answer any questions you may have.
Operator, could you please now open the lines for Q and A?
Speaker 0
Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 4
Yes, good morning. Thank you. Charlie, in guiding towards the lower end including acquisitions, you called out a number of different factors. Just wondering if you could rank order them in terms of the relative importance compared to your prior expectations, please?
Speaker 2
Yes, Kevin. I think if I were to rank order as we look at our outlook in fourth quarter, I think it really starts with EMEA in transportation. Just if you look at some of the larger OEMs, they've adjusted their production schedules and that's been communicated to us. So while we actually continue to see a couple of them run faster than that, I think clearly what we see is everybody's adjusting inventories, looking at slower economic conditions and trying to make sure they hit their numbers for the year. So that'd be the first one.
I think second to that, Robert mentioned in his comments, which is just when you look at the Class eight vehicles in North America, the commercial vehicle market, that kind of leads. They're down around this 200,000 to 220,000 builds. The good news, we're starting to see some pickups in backlogs for those guys, but I think that becomes more of a Q1, Q2 effect for next year. And then following behind that would really be Latin America commercial vehicle. And again, Robert highlighted to a lesser extent the North American industrial markets, both some of the liquid and powder customers.
And again, some of this is not surprising as we got into this fourth quarter as GDPs have come off. Some of these guys are adjusting inventories from some of their dealers and backing off on their production schedules. But that's kind of how I think one through four.
Speaker 4
That's helpful. Thank you. Second question, if I may. Would you comment on your outlook for volumes in the Transportation Coatings segment in 4Q? We've heard or observed elsewhere that some of the comps in Asia look difficult.
How do you see the puts and takes volumetrically in that segment finishing the year?
Speaker 3
Good morning, Kevin. This is Robert. I'd say as we look at the fourth quarter, in addition to what the forecasters or what you've seen in some of the market data, just in terms of what we're seeing so far in October. We're actually seeing pretty decent conditions here in The U. S.
And pretty decent conditions in China. Some of the headwinds that we talked about for the third quarter in EMEA, we see those persisting into the fourth quarter. And then unfortunately in Latin America, we do see some incremental degradation in particular in Brazil OEM. However, as has been highlighted in the press as well as a little bit of what we're seeing in some of our activity there, there does seem to be somewhat of a bottoming process in that market.
Speaker 4
Appreciate the color. Thank you very much.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Parkinson with Credit Suisse Group. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 5
Perfect. Thank you very much. Just very quickly on your presentation on Slide five, you mentioned a performance volume contribution from acquisitions of 3.4 implying the core volumes were down negative 50 bps in that segment. You mentioned some of this in your prepared remarks, but can you just kindly comment on kind of the key details and the puts and takes on the volume front across Refinish and Industrial, including the key regional differences? Thank you.
Speaker 3
Sure. Chris, we can provide some general commentary in that regard. I think as Charlie just mentioned and we highlighted in our remarks in terms of Performance Coatings, what we're seeing in North America is some pullback in the industrial market, in particular really in oil and gas as well as some of our general industrial customers. The other area unfortunately continues to be the drag from Latin America and that's both in Refinish as well as Industrial. But the remainder of the regions in terms of Performance Coatings, we're actually seeing pretty good performance.
I mean, if you look at North America, EMEA, Asia Pacific Refinish performing well, EMEA and Asia Pacific industrial performing well. And really our industrial business continues to really gain traction in those markets.
Speaker 5
Perfect. And just as a quick follow-up. Obviously, seems like the macro is clearly moderating at least a little bit. Can you just give us some color on the general way you're thinking about the incremental growth spend in geographic and product expansion, a lot of things you've discussed over the last year? It's clear that there are lot of long term opportunities, but how should we think about how hard you'll have your foot on the gas, especially in the context of any potential margin impact from some of these initiatives?
Thanks.
Speaker 3
With regard to the spend Chris for investment in particular we picked up spend as you know in refinish and industrial. I think we've highlighted that previously. And then also with some of the light vehicle wins we've added additional technical resources to support many of those launches in different parts around the world. I think if our view or if the overall macro changes, we will toggle back on those costs. And I think you heard a little bit in Charlie's commentary, I think we have a fairly slightly positive view of macro overall going forward globally.
However, if that were to change, we would accelerate perhaps perhaps some of the cost reduction programs that we already have as part of the Axalta Way. And of course, we would potentially slow down some of that investments.
Speaker 5
That's very helpful. Thanks.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Koort with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 6
Good morning, everyone. This is Chris Evans on for Bob. Maybe we can go a little more on cost side. You talked about the potential to get more aggressive and even booked the charge in the quarter. Is this meant to just offset some demand headwinds?
Or would this be sort of a net substantial benefit to margins you'd expect going forward?
Speaker 3
So with regard to the increase in the severance accrual that we took this quarter, because there's a lag effect in particular in EMEA, in Europe in terms of when notification takes place and to the extent that you make any headcount reductions. For some of the twenty seventeen Axalta Way projects do incorporate some headcount adjustment in Europe. However, we need to make those decisions actually several, several, several months before we actually begin to recognize those benefits. So we went ahead in terms of our planning for twenty seventeen Axalta Way programs and we went ahead and booked the accrual for some of that headcount optimization in Europe this quarter. So that's not related to incremental headwinds that we see that additional severance charge.
It's also not related to any of the Axalta Way programs that we have underway in 2016. It's getting ahead of some of the spend that we need to just from a timing perspective, in particular, as it pertains to Europe.
Speaker 6
Got you. Maybe changing tack a little bit. In your Transportation Coatings, your price has been holding up despite some of the demand issues in commercial and as light vehicle demand might moderate. Is there any thought that the OEMs might push back on some of your pricing? And in the raw material environment that might be becoming a headwind, is there any pricing actions you would take to offset that?
Speaker 2
Yes, look, this is Charlie. That's actually a really good question. I think the OEMs have always been, as we've talked about previous calls, I mean, are always market testing all of us. They're always driving to the most competitive situation they can. So I think we continue to address those demands with productivity in many cases, with working with them on innovation, so that they recognize a benefit and that we continue to hold our margins.
So I think that pressure will continue. Think on the second part of your question, which is around the headwinds, we are trying to make sure that everyone is aware certainly on the OEM side that oil is now back up at $50 And while everything isn't as you know, all of our raw materials aren't directly correlated to oil, that does start to be a headwind as we go into 2017 and into if you look at the longer term forecast. So we try to be really careful as we work with these OEMs that there's room should we see that should and when we do see that upward pressure that neither one of us is one, surprised by it and two, we're ready to have conversations. So I think as we've highlighted before, in any given year, 30% of our transportation OEM mix is market tested by the OEMs. And I think they've enjoyed lower raw material values out of paint the last two years, certainly from us and I'm sure from our competitors as well as they continue to market test.
But again, we really try to work with them on productivity rather than just a straight price decrease all the time. Because in many cases, the productivity gains can be much larger than just decreasing the unit price of the product. So I think as long as we continue to do that, we feel pretty good about our overall margins in the business. Clearly, certain OEMs, if they do in 2017 and 2018 could trim back on volumes, there's always competitive pressure there. But we haven't seen that to be too detrimental at this point.
Speaker 6
Thanks for the color. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duffy Fischer with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 3
Hey, good morning, fellows.
Speaker 2
Good morning, Duffy. Good morning, Duffy.
Speaker 3
A question around the updated guidance. Can you ballpark roughly how much does now come from acquisitions in the EBITDA and the sales number that you're guiding to for the year? Yes, you could think about it ballpark Duffy is approximately 1% of our original EBITDA range as a general indication. So when we look at the amount of play that we see in the fourth quarter from some of the macro and currency elements that we highlighted, plus the contribution from the acquisitions, we could very well be over excluding acquisitions, we could very well be over the $900,000,000 mark and we debated a lot about how to talk about this as we prepared for our call today. But we felt that it would be most prudent to take the course of calling out that that number would include acquisitions.
So again, we see about a 10,000,000 to $15,000,000 play from an earnings perspective in Q4 given some of the macros we're seeing. And that's why we had chose to adopt that structure. Okay, great. And then you called out that you think you're still gaining market share in the refinish market. Can you walk through your other businesses and talk about whether you think you're gaining, losing or holding market share in the other markets?
Speaker 2
Yes, Duffy, this is Charlie. I think if you set aside Refinish, which you already highlighted, look at the industrial marketplace, clearly we've been gaining share in certain sub segments as we put more SG and A on the ground, as we're going into territories that we weren't before. In many cases though, this isn't just against big multinationals. A lot of that share comes from smaller local players where we go in with technology. Clearly, we're not trying to become a price player there.
We're focused on industrial certain sub segments we are gaining share. And over on the transportation side, I think overall we're happy with our market share. There's not any big changes in shares going on at this point. I think there's always certain plants that are ramping models up and down and things like that. I think we have grown this year and a lot of that was business that came online in the past just year over year growth.
But there's no big I don't see any big share changes going on right now in the the Light Vehicle side.
Speaker 3
Terrific. Thanks, guys.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 7
Thank you. Good morning. So I know it's early to look at twenty seventeen, but given the slowing the slowdown you've
Speaker 8
seen in
Speaker 7
Q4, discuss your early thoughts on how you can and will grow EBITDA next year in a weak global demand environment?
Speaker 2
Yes, David, this is Charlie. As you know, we're really kind of going through that process right now. And I don't think we'll actually formulate a really good look until early sometime in early December. And I think Robert may want comment on the timing of that here in a few minutes. I think overall when we look at our Refinish business, which is really the core of the company, I don't see any big change in that as far as growth rates issues we have.
When you look at the growth in the car park around the world, places like China and India still growing at a pretty good clip, although sometimes a little bit choppy depending on what insurance companies are doing things like that. But I don't think we anticipate any big change there. I think the real question and the elephant in the room is always on the transportation side. And is this some of these production changes in Q4, which by the way have gotten more press because they're a little closer to home in Europe and in North America, but have actually been going on in some of the other regions of the world for the last two years really. So I think we're still trying to formulate a view on some of these production changes as we tie that to car sales for next year, how do we feel about that.
Overall though, my view is I don't see a catalyst where there's a major downturn in 2017. But I do think every one of these OEMs, some of them have models that are more accepting than others. And I think I would look at transportation being a fairly overall car sales growth next year being flat to only moderately up. And we address that by OEM. I think it's a little bit early.
So I think our plans remain kind of the same for 2017. And changes for us really will be around model changes, any business we win and then on those particular models, how the OEMs feel about it. But again, don't see any catalyst for any kind of major downturn. As Robert highlighted, we at the same time are very focused on our cost structure and believe we have a lot of ways to run over the next year or so. So I do think you will see us take aggressive actions in some areas of the company, but they're really more towards the long term, not towards any particular headwinds we think 2017 has.
Speaker 3
And just to add this is Robert. Just to add to what Charlie said, I think there's a number of variables as we finalize our budgeting process here in the last two months of the year, including the election, Brexit, business conditions in EMEA, Central Bank policy, a few things that we'd like to get a read a little bit closer to the end of the year before we make a call on or finalize our numbers for 2017. Our plan currently is in mid December to hold a call where we will discuss our 2017 guidance.
Speaker 7
Very good. And Charlie, last thing I know it's early, also on input costs, when did they actually become a headwind? Does it happen in Q4? Does it happen in Q1? What's the exact timing of the input cost change here?
Speaker 2
Yes, I think, yes, that's the million dollar question, right? Certainly, it's not Q4. I think we're into $17 and again $50 oil is kind of how we base our inputs off of this year. Now earlier in the year, we saw oil get a lot lower than that. We didn't really realize any big benefit from that because it was relatively short lived.
But I think right now, if you assume oil is going to be between 50 and maybe growing to 60 next year, it never turns perfectly like that. I think the headwinds are moderate. Now we've certainly seen some of our competitors and out in the industry certain pigments that continue to have a lot of upward pressure. TiO2 has highlighted price increases they're getting for 2017. Fortunately for us, things like TiO2 are relatively small buy.
And I think we feel pretty good about our position going in 2017 there. But so I think as we look at 2017, I wouldn't say it's a benign environment, because I do think there will be pressure starting in the second half of the year. A lot of that's predicated on global growth and what you think about global growth because there clearly is plenty of supply out there today. And we think we'll be through 2017. Just the question will be, will there be any shocks to the system and will global growth pick up?
And if you do, I think you could see some pressure, but I think it's second half of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 6
Very good. Thank you very much.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 9
Good morning. Thank you. Just had a question, I guess, first off on the weakness in EMEA that you're seeing. Is this something that has come up recently? I'm just curious because some of the registration data has been actually somewhat more positive than we would have expected.
And do you expect this to be short lived or kind of continue into 2017?
Speaker 2
I think the weakness, certainly from our standpoint has been there for several quarters. Again, it's not as you correctly pointed out, it's not so much a weakness on sales. Some of it is product mix. And in some cases, it's certain models that aren't selling well where they're just extending some of their outages that they would have taken in fourth quarter anyway. So I don't think we take a dim view of Europe.
As I look at Europe over the last three or four years, there's been periods where it's a little more robust than others. But at the end of the day, you step back and it's kind of flat to slightly up. So I don't think that there's any kind of pre warning here of more ominous things to go. Now the only caution there, as Robert pointed out earlier, and certainly some of this is affecting consumer sentiment there. You had Brexit, you had two terrorist incidents, you've had a major coup attempt in Turkey.
For those of us who spend a lot of our time in Europe, there's a lot going on over there right now and a lot of it's not positive. So in some cases, I think the consumers held up better than I would have thought. And maybe they're just becoming a little more immune to some of that, and that they just recognize it's going to be part of the ups and downs. But I don't think it's any kind of structural weakness that's going to get worse. But clearly talking with some of our OEMs, they've got several models that aren't selling as well as they would have hoped earlier in the year.
And again, I think some of that is because of these things I just mentioned. So I think we still take an optimistic picture into 2017. But at the same time, we're going to be cautious on our earnings forecast.
Speaker 9
Great. That's helpful. And then just on M and A, it sounds like you guys achieved $100,000,000 over the summer. Where are you looking in 2017 both as far as amount and markets? I mean are you seeing greater opportunities in industrial?
Or is it still in transportation? Or is it across the board? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Yes, thanks. Just a quick comment on that. I mean, think it's never exactly as you plan. But I think when we look at our pipeline and what we've said on a longer term strategy for the company, two things. One, we think we'll do for successful 100,000,000 to $150,000,000 a year, in investment and roughly top line sales add.
Our major area of focus is certainly more on the performance side both in refinish and in industrial where we have good footprints around the world, we have good competencies and there are many candidates to add on to, obviously at the right price and the right time. So I think we will continue to do that. That doesn't mean we won't look at adding content on vehicles. We did one of our acquisitions in the third quarter was over an interior coatings for OEMs. And so we will continue to add there.
But I think at the end of the day, the majority will be over in the performance, the industrial markets just because they're so much larger, they're more global and there's more opportunity out there today.
Speaker 5
Thanks.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 6
Hi, this is actually Matt Kreger sitting in for Ghansham. Can you guys quantify the benefit from your various cost savings programs during the quarter while also providing some added detail on how much runway we have left on those existing programs? And then kind of given some of the macro headwinds and end market weakness, can we expect some additional cost savings efforts heading into next year above and beyond the existing programs?
Speaker 3
Well, for the full year of 2016, Matt, we're well on track to achieve the $60,000,000 in savings that we originally outlined from the Exalt Away and Fit for Growth initiatives. Both of those continue to move along extremely well. We'll provide more guidance regarding Exalt Away probably in the first quarter of next year and some preliminary thoughts potentially in the December. As we think about the market going forward, I think what we see is, as Charlie talked about in his comments regarding Europe, isn't necessarily a downward trend from a macro perspective. What we see is just a lot more volatility.
Since we don't know how that volatility is going to shape up, we have to be prepared whatever the eventuality is. So the good thing is that we have quite a large bucket of opportunities that we can go after. And I think if things were to get tighter next year or if something were to happen macroeconomically, we would simply accelerate a number of those programs and go even more aggressively at our cost structure. That's how we would think about it.
Speaker 6
Okay. That's helpful. And then given all the puts and takes across the various regions and end markets that you plan, can you provide an update on competitive activity by region or by end market or business? Are you seeing any deviations from norm?
Speaker 2
No. I think it's an unbelievably competitive marketplace around the world. I don't think there's anything out of the norm. I think, you know, you always watch these situations where where where, your customers aren't growing that competitors try to take advantage of that, and that never ends well when people try to do that. But I think all these markets are normally very competitive.
You got to differentiate on your with your value proposition, work with your be in there working with your customer and showing them your benefits. So I think that one of the reasons we've done well, I think over the last couple of years is we've really tried to be even a lot closer to the customers we have and demonstrate our value proposition and be working on helping them achieve what they want rather than just being a price sale. But I think all these coatings markets, no one should ever assume they aren't wildly competitive, not just among the multinationals, but in most of these markets. We have local players. And I do think you're asking on one interesting point we always deal with, which is this issue of currency depreciation around the world.
And certainly, we see places like China and others who aggressively let their currency depreciate. And then certainly that helps local producers more than us, and we have to continue to fight over that. But no, I don't see anything where on any large macro sales somebody is being silly enough to try to go grab major share because I think people will defend their territory pretty hard in these kind of circumstances.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ivan Marcuse with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 10
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. First one is, I think in your prepared statements, you talked about the overall demand in the Refinish market just globally being maybe a little or structural demand being a little bit lower than what you would have expected this year. What do you think is driving that? Is there changes in insurance in different regions from more of a longer term perspective?
Or is it just one of those years where some years are better than others?
Speaker 3
Well, I'll make a comment here and then I think Charlie will also want to chime in. Just as we think about GDP, we think about sorry the refinish market, it's a GDP plus market in general. So when you look at it from an market perspective, if overall global GDP slows, would expect to see the refinish market. I think our comment slow. Our comment was more directed in the sense that that's a market that we see easily growing in the mid single digits or higher in the medium to long term.
There's been some volatility macro economically in different parts of the world, especially in Latin America recently that from an overall perspective have pulled down that number. But at the end of the day, we're talking about miles driven, we're talking about accident rates and then to a lesser extent the size of the car park is the main drivers of those markets. But overall GDP was kind of what was behind that statement.
Speaker 2
Just a couple of quick comments on that. I think when you look at the overall new car build rate around the world, that will continue to fuel a robust Refinish market. What we do see though is more regional in nature It's a regional business. So there's not you can't look at what's going on here in North America and compare that to anywhere else.
For example, in China, China is now working hard on the fact that they have astronomical accident rate. And so insurance companies are teaming up. They're putting pressure on drivers, higher deductibles. And so while it hasn't affected us this year, we certainly have seen the overall refinish market, for example, slow down this year in China. But that's kind of we think that goes on for a couple of quarters and then it gets overwhelmed by the fact that they're still pumping out 24,000,000 vehicles a year into China.
You do see these bumps off and on. But I think overall, it's a GDP plus business. The fact that new car sales around the world are as robust as they are, that fuels long term, the fact that it will stay GDP plus. Again, lot of technology trends going on from solvent borne to waterborne, insurance companies, things like that. But overall, you step back and look at it, pretty solid, pretty stable business.
And all the trends tend to favor the large multinationals over time because the productivity required, the color match, all the things we've talked about on previous calls.
Speaker 10
Okay. And then just a quick follow-up on the cash flow. Your working capital you mentioned that was slightly higher on a year over year, which is drove sort of the decline in cash from operations. Was that more of a timing issue? Or what drove that?
And do you expect sort of the working capital turn back into a pretty good source of cash starting in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 3
Yes. I think it's important to highlight that our working capital is highly seasonal. I mean, if we look back at Q1, working capital was about 15%, Q2 14%, Q3 this quarter right around 14%. We see a pretty dramatic drop off in the fourth quarter. So on a full year basis, we think that we will see an improvement.
Speaker 6
Okay.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of P. J. Juvekar with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 8
Hi, good morning. Morning, Good You had wins and market share gains in the last couple of years. Would you say that the market share battle is now at steady state in the global OEM market? And is that true in China as well?
Speaker 6
You know, and I don't
Speaker 2
know about steady state because, you know, all of us, probably including my competitors, everybody's, you know, working on innovation. But I would think a lot of the bigger movements we saw the last couple of years back and forth, a lot of that has kind of balanced out. And some of that is just the capacity is now on the ground with the exception of a few new plants in Mexico and in China. So a lot of that is the fact that a lot of this capacity has now actually come online. It's up and running in everybody's with their appropriate share.
So I don't think we'll see going forward any major share shifts. I think we'll all continue to work hard to grow our business and be innovative with the OEMs. But I think as I've always highlighted, OEMs like choices. They like having us all in there innovating. And I don't and again, I think we'll have to all earn our keep continue to earn our keep going forward.
But we don't we certainly don't see any new entrants. There's always pressure from the Asian players trying to come west, things like that. But I think overall, as long as you continue as long as we continue to innovate, the shares may move around a little bit, but not any major shifts.
Speaker 8
Okay. That's helpful. And then in commercial vehicles has been a tough segment this year. You talked about Class eight trucks. Can you just give a little bit of color on ag and heavy machinery market?
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Yes, sure. I think we're as heavy in the ACE market as some of our other competitors. But we're actually we've actually gained quite a few approvals this year and starting to get some nice wins. That being said, as we talk with all these guys around the world, I think with low commodity prices and everything else, that's going to continue to be a challenged marketplace for the next couple of years. As far as overall build, I think there was a big article here just a week ago by the Caterpillar CEO, everything else kind of highlighting some of the challenges.
So I think we'll continue to be aggressive in that market with some new products we have and grow. But I think we see with the lower commodity prices, things will only get better incrementally, I think. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 11
Good morning. This is Dan Rizzo on for Laurence. Just one quick question. You mentioned in the past about maybe moving away from single sourcing and going to dual sourcing, multi sourcing as being an instrument for cost savings. Is that something that's closer to or something you're working on now or something that's more for down the road?
Speaker 2
Dan. This is actually Charlie. No, it is a high priority for us. We're continuing to make progress on that. I'm not quoting numbers here today for competitive reasons, but we're continuing to add second and third sources in many cases.
And a lot of it is about complexity reduction and that's a major initiative for us, which we're already seeing benefits from that today. And we think over the next year or two, help us as we start to think about raw material headwinds long term. But even more importantly, just being able to reduce working capital, simplify our operations, free up capacity, all the things you would expect. But now a number of people, across several functions dedicated to that effort right now. And I think it will continue to be a multiyear effort because there's design and development in a lot of that as well, but it's a high priority for us.
Speaker 11
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Roberts with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Does the exit of Carlyle change any of the thinking around stock buyback? I assume bolt on acquisitions and deleveraging would still be the priority. Yes, John, this is Charlie. I think that's a good question.
I think that what we've always said was we wanted to get down to 2.5 to three on our leverage. And at that point, when you look at assuming the business continues to perform well and we're hitting our growth numbers, then I think that we're happy with what we're doing on acquisitions. And I think certainly dividends, share buybacks, all those start to be a discussion, next year for the company and for the board. And I think we're as a management team, we're open to all of the above. As you correctly point out, that wasn't one of Carlisle's that that certainly wasn't what they were interested in.
They're now gone completely as as most of you know. And I think with the independent board now, we will look at all of that and and, I'm, you know, I'm confident that'll be pretty active in the forefront. But again, I think we wanted to stay committed on getting this to this leverage target. And while I'm tickled to death, we've actually got our interest expense down pretty significantly with the refinancings. I think we want to continue to do what we said we were going to do, get to that target which is sometime early next year we believe and then everything is on the table.
And then do you have any operations serving the commercial transportation segment that you'll need to rationalize some point? I mean, it's down so much that I know it's not like a big fixed process plant, but I don't know if you have dedicated assets there that might be have low enough utilization that you're going to have to make some changes. No. Actually those products are actually produced in a couple of our integrated facilities around the world. And we've already taken cost out around that contemplating that we thought this would be the kind of numbers that we'd see from that marketplace.
So I think we're fine where we are. Whenever it upturns, we'll actually probably add a few resources back to support that. But as you know, in coatings plants, you can put more people on shifts, you can add shifts and that's the way we think about it. But no dedicated assets.
Speaker 3
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have time for one more question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed.
Speaker 12
Hi, good morning. It's Silke speaking for Jeff.
Speaker 2
Good morning Silke. Hi,
Speaker 12
I was wondering if you can talk about like how much of your price increases year to date have been from inflationary pricing and how you think about it going forward, whether all of this will go away in an environment where the currencies are not falling any further?
Speaker 3
Think, Silke, this is Robert. Our pricing strategy and again for competitive reasons, we won't get into too much detail on that. Our pricing strategy remains relatively unchanged. We do continue to get core price increases in our markets. And separately, we also do get price adjustments for inflation and evaluation.
So we do continue to get core pricing in our core markets.
Speaker 12
Do you think the split was sort of like half half if you look at it year to date?
Speaker 3
It's a combination of both core pricing as well as pricing adjusting for inflation and devaluation. It's also important to highlight that in our bridges, price is actually price mix. So there is a component of mix in there with price as well. So it's not just pure price.
Speaker 2
Yes. Silky, this is Charlie. I think what we've been trying to condition customers to is, we do believe there'll be some core inflation creep back in. I don't try to guess the Fed and their numbers and everything else. But when you look at even if it's just moderately rising raw material prices, labor wage rates, things like that, I think the inflationary environment is going to creep up on us here a little bit and I think we've got to stay out in front of that.
And we try to remind customers of that as well that they need to be paying attention to some of the macros.
Speaker 12
And I also had a question on cost savings. The $60,000,000 you try to achieve today, is that a run rate or is that an absolute number? And I know you plan to give like guidance about twenty seventeen targets later. I think it's still in the December. But just conceptually, there are like lots of things that you've already done.
And if it turns out that growth slows, like what's left to be done? Is it all about like headcount? And is it just like technically reasonably to assume whatever you achieved in 2016, you can achieve in 2017?
Speaker 3
So with regard to the $60,000,000 that's $60,000,000 of in year savings. That is not a run rate number. That's an in year number. And I think, again, we've made some progress on rationalizing our cost structure and taking advantage of some of the productivity opportunities we have. But because of the need to focus on many other areas in the company and as part of the carve out process and the stand up, we are just getting to a number of areas and it's not just headcount reduction.
There are number of areas around complexity, around SG and A, around potential production optimization, supply chain optimization. There are a number of areas across the company that we have as opportunities to continue to improve our cost structure.
Speaker 12
So you don't think that your level of savings would deteriorate next year like you could probably have equally sizable programs that you could continue to put in place?
Speaker 3
So what I'd say is that we continue to believe that we have meaningful cost savings opportunities moving forward and we'll provide more insight on that when we discuss that in the first quarter or if we discuss it in our 2017 guidance call that we currently plan to do in the December.
Speaker 12
Thanks very much.
Speaker 0
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to turn the floor back to Mr. Saber for any final remarks.
Speaker 2
Yes. Thanks, Abhi. I'll be very brief. I think my view on the quarter again, I'm very pleased that we executed on a lot of the longer term initiatives around refinancing, getting our acquisitions, our M and A program up and running. So a lot of great underlying strengths added to the Axalta family during the quarter.
At the same time, not taking our eye off the ball of running the current business, not only this quarter, but fourth quarter as we look in 2017. So as always, thanks for all your support on it. And I think we look forward to coming back in the December and sharing our view on 2017 with all of you. Thanks again.
Speaker 0
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