Badger Meter - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 2025 delivered record sales of $238.1M (+10% y/y), gross margin of 41.1% (+170 bps y/y), operating margin of 18.8% (-40 bps y/y), and diluted EPS of $1.17 (+4% y/y). Robust cash from operations was $44.6M (+22% y/y).
• Versus estimates, EPS missed (actual $1.17 vs consensus $1.254*), revenue was essentially in line ($238.095M vs $238.085M*), and EBITDA was below consensus ($53.686M vs $56.359M*). Drivers included higher SEA (SmartCover inclusion, deferred comp) and tariff-related cost pressures partially mitigated by pricing.
• Sequentially vs Q1: revenue rose to $238.1M from $222.2M, while gross margin moderated from 42.9% to 41.1% and EPS decreased from $1.30 to $1.17; operating margin fell from 22.2% to 18.8%.
• Guidance/tone: Management expects a sequential decline in Q3 core sales as several AMI projects wrapped up, with normalized gross margin range maintained at 38–40%, citing tariff uncertainty; SmartCover integration is on track.
• Capital allocation: Post-quarter, BMI raised its quarterly dividend 18% to $0.40 per share, marking 33 years of consecutive annual dividend increases.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Record sales and continued technology adoption in cellular AMI and BlueEdge solutions; SmartCover contributed in its first full quarter. “We delivered strong sales growth… yet another record sales quarter.”
• Structural mix benefits and operational excellence drove gross margin expansion y/y to 41.1% despite tariff pressures. “Structural mix benefit of technology adoption… gross margins expanded 170 bps.”
• Strong cash generation: cash from operations $44.6M (+22% y/y) and free cash flow increased 19% y/y to $40.6M, supported by working capital discipline.

What Went Wrong

• EPS and EBITDA misses vs consensus amid higher SEA and tariff-related cost impacts; interest income was lower due to acquisition capital deployment.
• SEA expenses rose $9.1M y/y to $52.9M (22.2% of sales) due to SmartCover (incl. $1.6M amortization) and ~$1.0M deferred compensation tied to stock price movement.
• Trade/copper tariff uncertainty persisted; pricing actions were mid-April and not fully effective across shipments, prompting caution on redrawing margin normalization.

Transcript

Speaker 5

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second quarter 2025 Badger Meter earnings conference call. After the prepared remarks, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. If you'd like to ask a question, you can do so by pressing STAR followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. It's now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Barbara Noverini, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining the Badger Meter second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'd like to introduce myself as the new Head of Investor Relations. With me on the call today are Ken Bockhorst, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bob Wrocklage, Chief Financial Officer. The earnings release and related slide presentation were made available this morning on our website. Quickly, I will cover the safe harbor, reminding you that any forward-looking statements made during this call are subject to various risks and uncertainties, the most important of which are outlined in our press release and SEC filings. On today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial metrics. Our earnings slides provide a reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP financial metrics used. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ken.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Barbara. Welcome to our second quarter 2025 earnings call. I'm pleased to report another quarter of record sales and solid financial results that demonstrated disciplined execution and the durability of the drivers that support technology adoption across the water industry. Against difficult comps in the prior year quarter, sales grew 10% year over year, or 5% excluding the SmartCover acquisition. Despite trade-related cost headwinds, gross margins continued to trend above our normalized range of 38% to 40%, and we generated robust free cash flow in the quarter. Halfway through the year, I remain encouraged by the resilience of our business as we face ongoing macroeconomic trade and policy uncertainty. Our proven history of differentiated operational execution, combined with ongoing customer demand and momentum in technology adoption trends, positions us to successfully navigate this near-term uncertainty while supporting the long-term goals of our customers.

Bob will review the details of the quarter, and then I'll be back to provide some thoughts on Blue Edge and our outlook. Go ahead, Bob.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Ken, and good morning, everyone. Turning to slide three, total sales of $238 million in the second quarter of 2025 represented an increase of 10% year over year, or 5% sales growth when excluding just over $10 million in sales from SmartCover in its first full quarter under our ownership. Total utility water product line sales increased 11% year over year, or 6% excluding SmartCover. As expected, moderating core sales growth from recent double-digit levels was primarily a function of the difficult second quarter sales comparison, which was the high water mark for the prior year. In the quarter, we delivered higher sales of meters, Beacon SaaS, water quality, and remote monitoring solutions. Sales for the flow instrumentation product line were essentially flat year over year, as lower demand in the de-emphasized array of market applications offset modest growth in water-related end markets.

Turning to profitability, operating earnings increased 8% year over year to $44.9 million, with operating margins down 40 basis points to 18.8% from the prior year's 19.2%. The structural mix benefit of technology adoption by our customers continues to benefit gross margins, which expanded 170 basis points to 41.1% in the second quarter from 39.4% in the prior year quarter. As expected, this did represent a sequential decline from 42.9% in the first quarter of the year, which you'll recall was the result of favorable customer and product mix that quarter that did not repeat this quarter. Gross margin in the second quarter of 2025 also continued to benefit from ongoing operational excellence initiatives, while recently implemented price increases partially mitigated certain tariff-related cost pressures in the quarter. Year to date, we've adeptly managed the controllable aspects of the known tariff landscape. However, the trade environment remains fluid.

As an example, copper prices recently spiked on copper-specific tariff concerns. Although we primarily use recycled brass in our ingot recipe, secondary markets like these do experience ripple effects when the primary commodity is impacted. Last quarter, we walked you through the manufacturing and supply chain footprint supporting our U.S. sales, along with the tariff-related exposures and mitigation efforts. While announced and rumored tariff rates by country and commodity continue to evolve, our underlying tariff-related exposures and mitigation actions remain the same. Most importantly, we continue to see the competitive playing field as level in terms of both exposures and planned mitigation actions, including any potential targeted pricing actions. That said, the ongoing trade uncertainty and lag impact of mitigation actions once again prompts us to leave our normalized gross margin range of 38% to 40% unchanged for now, despite another quarter of gross margin performance above 40%.

SG&A expenses in the second quarter were $52.9 million, an increase of approximately $9.1 million year over year, due primarily to the addition of SmartCover, including $1.6 million of intangible asset amortization. Excluding the acquisition, SG&A expenses increased $3.3 million, the result of higher personnel costs to support growth and approximately $1 million of deferred compensation expense resulting from the year-over-year change in stock price that is unique to this quarter. The income tax provision in the second quarter of 2025 was 24.5%, modestly above the prior year's 23.8%. Consolidated EPS was $1.17 versus $1.12 in the prior year quarter. Primary working capital as a percent of sales at June 30, 2025 was 21.8%, consistent with the prior quarter end and about 200 basis points better than a year ago.

Free cash flow increased 19% year over year to $40.6 million, largely due to higher earnings and working capital differential between years. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Ken.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Bob. Next, I'd like to talk about the progress we've made since the launch of Blue Edge last year. As a reminder, Blue Edge is the brand that unifies the comprehensive suite of products and solutions that enable our customers to manage their water and wastewater systems beyond the meter. In June, our booth at the ACE Trade Show in Denver, which is our industry's biggest event of the year, highlighted the various use cases of our exceptional solutions and included SmartCover for the first time. We also featured our new field app, which brings the power of our Beacon SaaS software to utility field personnel, and we introduced Cobalt, which leverages machine learning for advanced insights within our Beacon SaaS platform. Our booth was the physical representation of our evolution beyond the meter.

Today, our Blue Edge portfolio of water management solutions provides tremendous value to customers, and it was exciting to see the energy in our booth, as well as the enthusiasm that both longstanding and soon-to-be new customers have for our solutions. While it's only been a year since we've launched this concept, we've already seen meaningful momentum in our efforts to inform utilities of the advantages of our Blue Edge solutions. Furthermore, we've elevated our already strong reputation as a trusted partner. A long-term relationship with us means that we'll be there to enable our customers as they evolve and plan for the future. We're seeing increasing numbers of RFPs that ask for solutions beyond the meter, and our offering elevates our standing in the bid process while providing tangible reasons for us to continue our partnership with customers post-sale, even after their AMI projects are complete.

In summary, we're very pleased with the strong start to this evolving aspect of our long-term strategy. Finally, turning to the outlook, we routinely highlight that our business can be uneven quarter to quarter and year to year. It is simply the nature of the business given utility replacement cycles, project deployment schedules, project phase-in, phase-outs, etc. The difficult second quarter comparison from a year ago that Bob discussed earlier is just one example of that phenomenon. Another example is that we did have a number of AMI projects wrap up in the second quarter. While we already have new AMI projects in hand to replace them, the timing of the start of those projects is such that we expect absolute sales to decline sequentially in the third quarter of 2025. Despite the moderation in sales, we still expect sales growth year over year, excluding SmartCover.

Nevertheless, despite the macroeconomic trade and policy uncertainty we've experienced year to date, the multiple long-term secular trends fueling growth where we are positioned in the water industry remain strong. Our core products and solutions are critical to the operations of a water utility, commercial, and industrial customers. As a reminder, the meter is the cash register of the utility and remains a priority for investment. Thus, our ongoing conviction in high single-digit revenue growth over the long term is underpinned by these enduring favorable industry fundamentals, along with customer order and demand trends, project awards, pending and future RFP activity, and the competitive positioning of our broad portfolio of solutions to best address water challenges.

We continue to generate strong cash flow and retain a balance sheet with significant financial flexibility to withstand macroeconomic pressure while pursuing both organic and strategically relevant inorganic investment, all while paying a dividend that has grown in line with earnings for over three decades. After nearly six months of integration, we remain on track to deliver the anticipated sales and cost synergies associated with the SmartCover acquisition. We've made tangible progress in leveraging Badger Meter resources across SmartCover's business, continue to identify go-to-market opportunities for SmartCover as part of our Blue Edge suite of solutions. Finally, I'd like to call out our recently published 2024 sustainability report. I'm proud that the collective efforts of our team allowed us to exceed and raise our targets for greenhouse gas intensity reduction while also delivering record 2024 financial results.

Our continuous improvement philosophy towards sustainability efforts continues to produce favorable outcomes as it has across the entire business. In summary, we're carefully managing through uncertainty in the broader environment by focusing on what we can control in the near term while diligently executing against a long-term strategic plan that we're confident will continue to create value for both our customers and our shareholders. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Please press STAR followed by the number one if you'd like to ask a question and ensure your devices are muted locally when it's your turn to speak. If you change your mind or your question's already been answered, you can withdraw your question by pressing STAR followed by the number two. Our first question today comes from Nathan Jones with Stifel. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Morning everyone.

Speaker 7

Morning, Nathan.

I guess my question's going to be on the SG&A expense line. Just looking at it sequentially, it's kind of gone up about $7 million, which was, I think, more than people were looking for. You've got an extra quarter of SmartCover in there and that one-time deferred comp number in that. Can you talk about the other investments that have been made there to support future growth? I guess, and excluding the million-dollar write-up of deferred comp, is just kind of $52 million a new level of SG&A that we should be expecting going forward?

Speaker 1

I think you picked up on, I think, the two main pieces that are relevant to the quarter, Nathan. Certainly, yes, a full three months of SmartCover's SCA run rate, which, of course, we mentioned that acquisition is above line average organically. When you add the intangible amortization to that, which again we've sized for the year and the quarter, that's certainly an element of that uptick sequentially. You've also picked up on the very unique item to the quarter, that being the deferred comp expense to the tune of about $1 million. Absent those items, essentially, SCA growth year over year is up $2 million to $3 million.

It's ongoing investment to support the wonderful things that we're doing in the marketplace in terms of continuing to evolve our software offering to keep it leading at best in class, to continue to bring innovative product development to market that differentiates not only our meter-to-cash products but our around-the-meter technologies and continue to drive adoption of those technologies, which remain very early stage in terms of U.S. and North American water utility adoption. I mean, those are pieces of it. Obviously, we don't guide, but you've picked up on the outliers that would help to inform your outlook moving forward.

I guess the $1.6 million of intangible amortization, is any of that like inventory step-up or something that goes away, or is that what you expect the continuing level of amortization to be?

Yeah, that is entirely the intangible asset amortization. The inventory step-up that was a small amount in association with the acquisition passed out in the first quarter. Essentially, that's the continuing run rate for the life of those varying lived intangibles that we disclose in the financials.

Okay, so there's no reason to expect it to be less than $52 million in the SG&A line going forward?

Yeah, we'll leave that to you to figure out. Ultimately, you've picked up on the two unique pieces. Yep.

Fair enough. I guess then maybe you could provide a little bit more color. I mean, you ran through a few of the things there, Bob, just on what kind of capabilities, let's not call them expenses, we'll call them capabilities, have been added to the business to support future growth?

Speaker 7

Yeah, so Nathan, as you reflect on the past five years, I think it's probably not fair to think about it because Q2 2020 was the COVID quarter, but we're up 165% in revenue over that five-year period. Some of it's just the random things of continuing to increase capacity on some of the product lines that we continue to invest in, and some of it is investing in, of course, people. As we go through our five-year strategic plans every year and we look forward on, you know, what the new skills and new offerings are we're going to have, sometimes that drives investing in different kinds of skills that we currently have today. Continuing to invest in our software business that we're totally excited about.

All the things that we told you over the years that we're investing in to grow, it's just a matter of continuing to do that. Frankly, we still feel, taking the SmartCover piece aside, our ability to grow at a rate faster than our investment in SG&A is still intact.

Speaker 1

I think that's the key there, is that there's nothing unique about the rate. There's nothing unique about the rate of investment in this quarter that is anything different than what we've been doing for the last four or five years in terms of our primary cash capital allocation priority of organic investment in the business. It's just the way I think it's sequencing on a year-over-year basis, and in concert with those two unique items that you mentioned to start your question.

Great. Thanks very much for taking my questions.

Speaker 5

Our next question comes from Scott Graham with Seaport Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hi, good morning. I have a similar question to Nathan, just want to maybe come at it a little bit differently. You were, I thought, pretty clear in your bullet points here on the SG&A that the $1.6 million stays, but the $1 million of variable deferred comp is unique to the quarter. Am I to infer that that means that that goes away next quarter?

Speaker 1

Not in its entirety, but when you experience a quarter where the stock price goes up over $50 from beginning to end and you have liabilities associated that track that, there's going to be an oversized impact that is absolutely unique to the second quarter.

Understood. Got it. That's clear. Thank you. One other question, though, around this, Bob, you also, I think, indicated that if you strip those out, there was a $3 million core increase. Now, if my calculations are right here, that $3 million core increase on a year-over-year basis is about the same as your sales number, sales increase in total, which would suggest that maybe there was a little bit more, because you typically get leverage off of that line, would suggest maybe a little bit more investment in this quarter, although you just said that was not the case. Maybe you can connect those dots for me.

I think the simplest way to say this is that we're comparing to a quarter of SG&A as a % of sales at 20.2%, which is abnormally low. Stripping out all the noise in the quarter, in essence, stripping out SmartCover for all intents and purposes, we'd have been at 20.7%. Yes, there is a 50 basis point increase, but that is not in any way different than where we've been historically or in recent quarters and is still indicative of our ability to leverage SG&A over time, just not quarter to quarter.

Yeah, we thank you for that clarity, Jon.

Yeah.

Okay. Let me just ask this one last question, if I may. The third bullet point says that strategic price increases mitigated certain tariff impacts, which suggests to me that you were maybe price-cost negative in the quarter. If that's the correct assumption, should you essentially be price-cost neutral for the rest of the year?

I think you're picking up on the right dynamic. Certainly, our book of business here varies in terms of go-to-market. Sometimes we're direct, other times we're through distribution. Sometimes we have PO to PO pricing, other times we have long-term contracts, right? The pricing actions implemented in the quarter were implemented in, call it, mid-April. By default, they won't be effective on everything that we shipped in the quarter. To the extent tariff cost pressures remain static, which I don't think anyone is saying those to be the case, you're exactly right in your diagnosis of how we've characterized the second quarter results. What remains to be seen, and the main priority reason why we're not redrawing a gross margin line or normalized gross margin range in this quarter, despite, again, once again, having 41.1% gross margins, is the uncertainty associated with tariff costs.

The last part of your question is difficult to answer, not knowing exactly what the forthcoming reciprocal tariff impacts are, as well as then the tariff around copper, which at this time is just a rumored statement, nothing that's been firmly implemented. That's the overall hesitancy to tell you that we're going to be cost neutral moving forward because the cost side can change, while equally the price side can change as well.

Thanks very much.

Speaker 5

Our next question comes from Andrew Krill with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Wanted to follow up on the comments about the AMI projects in the funnel and it being a little unclear, you know, when they might start. Is this like a change where they've been deferred or pushed out a little bit, or is this more normal course of business? Could you maybe also just generally comment on muni activity in general? I think there have been some fears maybe of like a little bit of softness there. Thanks.

Speaker 7

Yeah, as we talk about all the time in this business, it can be uneven from quarter to quarter. We're just basically letting you know it's not a stack bar where you add one quarter to the next and it can be the same. Just trying to be transparent here that some projects have rolled off, but we certainly are excited about the projects that will be rolling out, that our funnel remains as robust as ever. Not a concern for the long term in any way. It doesn't change our view on high single digits through the cycle. Just pointing out that we still expect to grow next quarter and into the future, but it's just not a stack bar from sequential.

In terms of total market demand, like we always have, we continue to spend a lot of time talking to customers in the several pieces of the cycle on who's working with consulting firms on AMI projects that we'll see in three to five years, how we're doing on RFPs that are currently in motion, things that are currently being rolled out, orders, backlog, we're every bit as bullish as we've ever been. Customer demand side, in terms of people inquiring about new projects or moving forward with projects, remains largely unchanged.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. That's very helpful. A quick clarification on the comments about sales being down quarter over quarter into 3Q. Was that a total sales comment or more core sales? In other words, kind of strip out SmartCover and your core dollars are down as well. Thanks.

Speaker 7

Yeah, Andrew, that's a core comment.

Speaker 1

Yeah, the script specifically clarified excluding SmartCover. Essentially, core core growth within obviously the non-comparability of SmartCover in Q3 2025 not being in Q2 2024.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Our next question comes from Robert Mason with Badger Meter. Please go ahead.

Speaker 0

Yes, good morning, Ken, Bob. Maybe I'll just pick up real quick around SmartCover. The sales in the quarter look like they were, and this is the, I guess, the first full quarter we're seeing of SmartCover, above the run rate of sales that they reported last calendar year. I'm just curious, is that reflective of seasonality in the business? Is that kind of underlying organic growth? Just how we should be thinking about $10 million contribution this quarter anyway of SmartCover sales and how the, maybe a quarter-to-quarter pattern should look there.

Speaker 7

Yeah, I'll make a general comment and then I see Bob wanted to jump in. Let me just talk in general about how excited we are about the SmartCover acquisition. We've had it about five months now. I mentioned the great reaction that we had at ACE, a lot of the feedback that we're getting within the market. Getting a lot of positive momentum from both the market and just through the integration that we've had thus far. I think we couldn't be more pleased with the results that we've had thus far and the team that's on board. I feel great about the long-term fundamentals there. I think Bob was going to make a point on sales, so I'll turn it to him.

I just wanted to be clear that everything that we think that we've, everything that we thought we knew about SmartCover has proven to be true very early on here.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, you hit the main point, which is, of course, I know everybody's immediate concern is quarter to quarter, but our long-term growth outlook for SmartCover is multi-year, if not multi-decade. Again, referencing back to, you know, the sewer line monitoring portion of this business is virtually greenfield with very low digital adoption in the less than 0.5%. Essentially, we believe not only in the revenue growth in the short term, but the long term. I would say this has little to do with seasonality and entirely to do with advancing our positioning as a leader in the market and helping utilities solve primarily four main use cases in what generally tends to be out of sight, out of mind, in fact, underground infrastructure that is blind spots for those utilities.

Yes, we're pleased with the revenue growth thus far, but certainly have high aspirations as we move forward as well.

Speaker 0

Bob, my quick math around the contribution from SmartCover at the EPS level, I know this is a GAAP number, of course, would have been in the neighborhood of kind of $0.06, $0.07 dilutive in the quarter year over year.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you're not too far off, as I'll remind everyone. You know, we said at acquisition, EPS decretive in year one, and certainly a path to EPS contributions shortly thereafter, primarily in year two. As you can imagine, a lot of that is about market adoption and the great sales opportunities and sales growth that we mentioned, while also leveraging what at the current time is an above-line average SG&A business, but that we think over time provides well above line average incrementals, both through the combination of software attachment rate and then leveraging the cost base.

Speaker 0

If I could sneak in one more real quick, just again, we'll have to see how the tariffs around copper ultimately play out. If you think that there could be some added cost to copper and that ultimately flows through to scrap brass, do you think that could have any influence on the adoption rate between mechanical and solid state meters? I mean, does the pricing differential that exists today, does that narrow? Does it make the value proposition for solid state stronger relatively?

Speaker 7

The first thing I'd remind everyone, Rob, and I know you know this, is we have a great ultrasonic line. Even if that were to happen, we think that wouldn't, that certainly would not be a negative event. We would just lock people up from mechanical to ultrasonic within our portfolio. Secondly, people, I know there's this myth about mechanical meters, and clearly we fully understand a mechanical meter can be smart too with the communications and software. There are tangible reasons why a lot of utilities still want to buy a mechanical meter. Along the way, we feel that we have a strong ability to continue to mitigate the cost issues and continue to sell a lot of mechanical meters. If someone wants to walk up to ultrasonic, we're happy to help them do that too.

Speaker 0

Very good. Thanks, Ken.

Speaker 7

Sure.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeffrey Reive with RBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good morning. You mentioned you're progressing as expected on SmartCover integration. Could you remind us the cost synergy opportunity, where you are today in capturing it, and maybe how quickly you can expect to realize the remaining upside? Is this mostly an SG&A cost-out opportunity?

Speaker 7

I don't believe we ever sized the cost-out opportunity publicly. I'm looking at Bob.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think let me just clarify. Certainly, when we talk about the most dramatic and impactful synergies of the SmartCover acquisition, it is all about commercial synergies, accelerating what was already great standalone organic revenue growth by advancing the connectivity of the technology to our existing install base, whether that's direct at customers or through distribution. The number one priority from a synergies perspective is commercial synergies. As it relates to cost, the comment I made earlier was about leveraging an existing SG&A cost base. Prior to Badger Meter's ownership, SmartCover was private equity owned, and they were in basically revenue growth mode. They invested heavily in advancing the technology and software and having the right feet on the street for sales, so they carried a higher leverage level of SG&A coming into our acquisition. We're not saying we're reducing that.

We're saying we're able to lever that as the incremental sales growth that we bring to the table through our great access to market and long-tenured customer relationships occur. There are certain aspects of cost synergies when you start to look at the product side, meaning the product that SmartCover sells for sewer line monitoring has PCBAs and has batteries in it and are components that we're familiar with buying. Whereas we buy hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of those parts and components, SmartCover in history has only sold smaller amounts. We believe we can leverage certain of those components through our supply chain and otherwise, but that is absolutely secondary to the primary synergy, which is commercial synergies.

A big part of taking this from EPS decretive in year one to EPS accretive in years two, three, and beyond is all about the top line revenue growth and then not having to invest in SG&A at a rate commensurate with that great high organic above line average sales growth.

Speaker 3

Got it. Thank you. Maybe just switching gears, there have been some discussions about potential cuts to the EPA budget. Do you have a sense of how that could impact demand for metering? Maybe at a high level, how would you break down customer project funding between just muni budgets and federal support like state revolving funds?

Speaker 7

Yeah, so Jeffrey, there's a lot of ways that utilities have to fund their projects. Remembering, again, as I said in the script, that the meter and AMI is effectively the cash register of the utility, it remains a very high priority for them regardless of whatever funding may or may not be available. There are state revolving funds, which may be reduced some in the new bill, but they still exist. The WIPIA, local cost interest loans are still out there and very supported by the federal government. Utilities have the ability to raise rates. They have the ability to issue municipal bonds. There's a myriad of ways that the funding happens. This is where our direct sales model gives us an opportunity to talk directly with utilities on how they're viewing their upcoming plans.

As you can imagine, we always do that, but we've done that even more so in the last three months with all the noise around this and continue to remain quite positive on the ability to grow high single digits through the cycle because utilities are still talking about investing and they have the means to do that for where we've positioned ourselves in the water industry, which, you know, your question isn't wrong for the water industry, but I feel like we're pretty well positioned to not be affected by some of those cuts.

Speaker 0

All right, thank you.

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 5

Just as a final reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press STAR followed by one on your telephone keypad. We'll just pause here. We have no further questions in the queue, so I'll hand back over to Barbara for any closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining our call today. For your planning purposes, our third quarter 2025 call is tentatively scheduled for October 21, and I'll be around all day to take any follow-up questions you may have. Thanks and have a great day.

Speaker 5

This concludes our call. Thank you very much for joining. You may now disconnect your line.