Cardinal Health - Q3 2024

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Operator (participant)

Hello, and welcome to the third quarter fiscal year 2024 Cardinal Health Incorporated earnings conference call. My name is George. I'll be your coordinator for today's event. Please note, this conference is being recorded, and for the duration of the call, your lines will be in a listen-only mode. However, you will have the opportunity to ask a question at the end of the presentation, and this can be done by pressing star one on your telephone keypad to ask your question. We ask also to limit yourselves to one question per person to allow the maximum attendees to ask a question. If you require assistance at any point, please press star zero, and you will be connected to an operator. I'd like to call over to your host today, Matt Sims, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Matt Sims (VP of Investor Relations)

Welcome to this morning's Cardinal Health third quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Cardinal Health CEO, Jason Hollar, and our CFO, Aaron Alt. You can find this morning's earnings, press release, and investor presentation on the investor relations section of our website at ir.cardinalhealth.com. Since we will be making forward-looking statements today, let me remind you that the matters addressed in the statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied. Please refer to our SEC filings and the forward-looking statement slide at the beginning of our presentation for a description of these risks and uncertainties. Please note that during our discussion today, the comments will be on a non-GAAP basis, unless specifically called out as GAAP.

GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations for all relevant periods can be found in the supporting schedules attached to our press release. For the Q&A portion of today's call, we kindly ask that you limit questions to one per participant so that we can try and give everyone an opportunity. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jason.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Good morning, everyone. A year ago at our Investor Day, I reflected upon what attracted me to Cardinal Health. Our strong culture, values, and mission to be healthcare's most trusted partner. How the company was uniquely positioned with its breadth and scale to navigate the complexities of the healthcare ecosystem and serve the needs of customers, manufacturers, and ultimately, patients. At the same time, I was open about some of the opportunities in front of us as an organization. Together, we laid out a clear but aggressive strategic plan, streamlined our focus, and the team got to work, all the time prioritizing on our core business to emerge as a stronger, more resilient company. We have a recent proof point.

Over the last several months, we deeply focused on preparing for a variety of alternatives regarding a particular large, low-margin customer contract, which has allowed us to quickly navigate the upcoming contract change and confirm that we expect to grow our earnings in fiscal 2025. By driving improvements in our core operations, investing to expand our offerings in key areas like specialty, and evolving our commercial approach in ways which have resonated elsewhere in the marketplace, we demonstrated that we have made progress on positioning our business for sustained success and growth. As we look ahead, the current quarter's results reinforce our confidence. We're operating from a position of growing strength and resiliency, with industry trends that remain stable and in our favor.

In Q3, we delivered broad-based growth while executing on our four strategic priorities: building upon the growth Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, executing our GMPD Improvement Plan, accelerating growth in key areas, and maintaining a relentless focus on shareholder value creation. In our Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, we again drove solid profit growth on top of a difficult comparison to last year's strong performance. We've seen ongoing stability in pharmaceutical demand, consistent market dynamics in our generics program, and strong performance in specialty, both downstream and upstream, all of which enables us to raise our fiscal 2024 profit outlook for the segment to a midpoint of 9% growth. In GMPD, we are pleased to see the strong top-line and bottom-line performance, with an acceleration in growth reflecting further progress against the business's turnaround plan.

GMPD's quarter was overall consistent with our expectations, and the team is already working hard on the continued ramp-up in Q4. Among our other operating businesses, our new reporting structure implemented at the start of Q3 is reinforcing our focus on performance and purposeful investment in growth. The strong demand we are seeing across Nuclear, At-home Solutions, and OptiFreight, fueled by favorable industry trends, excites us about the long-term potential as these markets and businesses continue to develop. And as we've optimized the financial strength of the broader enterprise, we've seen meaningful benefits below the operating line this year. Putting it all together, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our fiscal 2024 EPS outlook, provide preliminary guidance for fiscal 2025 of profit growth in each of Pharma, GMPD, and Other, as well as overall EPS, and reiterate our long-term targets for our businesses and enterprise.

Our strategy and long-term outlook are unaltered, and our team remains focused on executing our plan as we serve our customers and continue to drive our company forward. With that, let me turn it over to Aaron to review our Q3 results, fiscal 2024 guidance, and early fiscal 2025 outlook in more detail.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Thank you, Jason. This morning, we are reporting our financial results on the new financial reporting segment structure we implemented at the beginning of Q3. To that end, we released an 8-K on April 23rd, which provided the recast historical-

... quarterly results for fiscal year 2022, fiscal year 2023, and fiscal year 2024 through Q2, reflective of the Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, GMPD, and Other. As we called out at the time, the new segmentation is designed to provide greater transparency, focus, and accountability across our businesses, and we are already seeing those benefits. Overall, Q3 was a strong quarter, with double-digit operating earnings growth and 20% EPS growth. We accomplished that growth while at the same time leaning in and making significant investments of time, expense, and capital against our longer-term strategic plan. With both continued confidence in our strategies and a resilient business and team, we are pleased to once again raise our EPS guidance for fiscal year 2024. More on that shortly.

As seen on slide four, total company revenue increased 9% to $55 billion, reflecting revenue Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions segment, the GMPD segment, and in all of the businesses making up Other. We were particularly pleased to see the second consecutive quarter of revenue growth in GMPD at 4%. We are also pleased that gross margin increased 9% to $1.9 billion. While consolidated SG&A also increased just under 9% to $1.3 billion in the quarter, the increased amount reflects technology and other purposeful investments against the future of the business and higher costs to support sales growth. With strong, broad-based profit growth, we delivered operating earnings of $666 million, 10% higher than last year.

Moving below the line, interest and other was generally consistent with the prior year at $26 million, and our third quarter effective tax rate of 20.4% was better than we expected due to positive discrete items. As a result of our prior share repurchases, Q3 average diluted shares outstanding were 245 million, 5% lower than a year ago. As I mentioned earlier, the net result for Q3 was EPS of $2.08, reflecting growth of 20%. Now turning to the Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions on slide five. Third quarter revenue increased 9% to $50.7 billion, driven by brand and specialty pharmaceutical sales growth. We continued to see strong pharmaceutical demand across product categories: brand, specialty, consumer health and generics, and from our largest customers.

While we again saw robust demand for GLP-1 medications, recall that we had guided that the revenue growth rate would moderate this quarter, as it did, given the acceleration that we started to realize last year during Q3. Excluding GLP-1 sales, the segment's Q3 revenue growth would be 7%. As we've previously noted, these sales did not meaningfully contribute to the bottom line. Segment profit increased 4% to $580 million in the third quarter, driven by positive generics program performance. Our generics program continued to see both volume growth and consistent market dynamics. Within our brand and specialty products, demand for COVID-19 vaccines in the quarter was consistent with our expectations, not a meaningful contributor. As anticipated and guided, lower branded inflation than last year's relative high point was a year-over-year drag on profit growth.

So overall, we were pleased to deliver 4% segment Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, solid growth on top of an exceptionally strong quarter a year ago, which grew 23%. Turning to the GMPD segment on slide six. Revenue grew for the second quarter in a row by 4% in Q3 to $3.1 billion. This increase was driven by volume growth from existing customers. The GMPD segment delivered segment profit of $20 million, a $66 million year-over-year increase, driven by an improvement in net inflationary impacts, including our mitigation initiatives. GMPD continued its strong turnaround trajectory, achieving its highest level of quarterly profitability in the last two and a half years. We continue to be encouraged by the underlying improvements in the business, driven by the team's efforts against the GMPD Improvement Plan.

As a reminder, the components of the former Medical Improvement Plan are now split between GMPD and Other, and the plan continues to be on track. The team achieved notable progress on inflation mitigation in the quarter, and we again saw a year-over-year improvement and growth in Cardinal Health Brand volumes, providing continued fuel for the business's ongoing turnaround. Finishing with the businesses that aggregate into Other, as seen on slide seven. Third quarter revenue increased 14% to $1.2 billion due to growth across all three businesses: At-Home Solutions, Nuclear and Precision Health Solutions, and OptiFreight Logistics. Collectively, the businesses grew segment profit in the quarter by 5%, with OptiFreight Logistics showing particular strength as we worked during the quarter to create the foundations for future profit growth in all of the businesses.

Jason will further discuss our excitement around these businesses and some of the recent trends momentarily. Now, turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with a strong cash position, with $3.7 billion of cash and equivalents on the balance sheet. Year to date, we've generated $2.1 billion of adjusted free cash flow and have continued to deploy capital according to our disciplined capital allocation framework, including investing approximately $320 million in CapEx back into the business to drive organic growth and funding the $1.2 billion-dollar acquisition of Specialty Networks. Over the past several years, we've made tremendous progress with our balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, we received a further update to our ratings outlook, with Moody's moving our outlook to positive.

We issued $1.15 billion in new notes during the quarter to refinance our upcoming June and November debt maturities. We plan to hold the cash proceeds and time deposits until the calendar year 2024 maturities come due. I'll note, due to the nature of these contracts, only about half of the total cash received is reflected in our Q3 ending cash balance. The remaining $550 million is recorded in prepaid expenses and other on the balance sheet. We have returned over $1 billion total to shareholders year to date, which includes approximately $375 million of quarterly dividend payments and $750 million in share repurchases, which is in excess of our committed baseline repurchase of $500 million.

Now for our updated fiscal 2024 guidance on slide 9, beginning with the enterprise. We are raising and narrowing our fiscal year 2024 non-GAAP EPS guidance. Our new range of $7.30-$7.40 reflects a midpoint, which is 27% above our fiscal 2023 EPS results. We started the year working to deliver our guidance of 14% EPS growth at the midpoint. What a year it has been so far! Before we turn to the segments, a few comments on our enterprise assumptions.

With the year-to-date results, we are improving our fiscal 2024 effective tax rate guidance to an updated range of 22%-23%, and we are reiterating our fiscal 2024 expectations for adjusted free cash flow of approximately $2.5 billion, for CapEx of around $500 million, for diluted shares of approximately 247 million, and for share repurchases of $750 million, which, consistent with our framework, does not assume further repurchase activity this year. Now, turning to the fiscal 2024 outlook for our new segment reporting structure, as seen on slide 10.

With another Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, we are raising and narrowing our segment profit guidance for the full year to 8.5%-9.5% growth, which at the midpoint, implies continued mid-single-digit profit growth in the fourth quarter. We are reiterating our guide for GMPD segment profit of approximately $65 million for fiscal year 2024. We continue to expect to address the impact of inflation as we exit fiscal 2024, along with continued Cardinal Health brand volume growth and benefits from our continued cost savings initiatives. Additionally, we anticipate a positive impact from seasonality in Q4 compared to Q3. We are also reiterating our segment profit guide for the other businesses, 6%-8% segment profit growth for the full year, given that we expect a strong Q4 for those businesses.

On the top line, we now expect other full-year revenue growth of approximately 12%. So as I highlighted earlier, we are raising our guidance for fiscal year 2024 to $7.30-$7.40. Finally, let me conclude my remarks by providing a guidance preview for fiscal year 2025. We will provide formal fiscal year 2025 guidance during our Q4 and full year earnings call in August. However, with the benefits of our raised fiscal year 2024 expectations and the action plans already underway in response to recent market changes, here is our preliminary perspective. For Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, while revenue will reset in the year as we offset a recent customer non-renewal, we notably expect to deliver at least 1% segment profit growth in fiscal year 2025 before returning to more normalized growth in fiscal year 2026.

Looking forward, our commercial and operational teams have been busy, and our value proposition is resonating in the marketplace. Over the past several months, we have had some attractive wins with new customers, and some existing customers are expanding their own footprints with us. Some of these are already under contract and ordering, and others are scheduled for implementation in the second half of next fiscal year. So over the course of the upcoming year, we expect new volume coming our way at sustainable margins. We completed the Specialty Networks acquisition quickly, which will be additive to our efforts in fiscal year 2025. Separately, we have turned a further eye to optimizing our cost structure across our corporate functional footprint across the Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions portfolio.

Regarding environmental factors, we are expecting brand inflation to be roughly equivalent to fiscal 2024 levels, while we remain watchful relative to the contribution of COVID-19 vaccines. For the GMPD segment, we expect continued growth in fiscal year 2025 on our path to approximately $300 million in segment profit by fiscal year 2026, driven by the annualization of inflation mitigation, progress with Cardinal Health brand growth, and continued simplification and cost optimization. We expect approximately $175 million in GMPD segment profit in fiscal year 2025. For the businesses included in Other, we expect the strong demand we've seen across these businesses to continue. With positive industry trends and the strength of our competitive positioning, we expect collective segment profit growth in fiscal year 2025 at the top end of our long-term target, approximately 10%.

During fiscal 2025, we will be investing across all of our businesses, with key examples being new facilities like our Consumer Health Logistics Center, At-Home Solutions facilities in Texas and South Carolina, and further geographic reach of our Nuclear and Precision Health Solutions PET network. We will also continue our build-out of Navista and investments in GMPD supply chain resiliency. Now, a few call-outs below the line and with the balance sheet. We anticipate a significant step-up in interest and Other next year, primarily due to much lower average cash balances, due to cash already deployed for Specialty Networks, and due to the one-time unwinding of negative working capital from the large contract non-renewal.

We also expect lower short-term investment rates on cash and higher interest rates on debt, resulting from the refinancing of our calendar 2024 maturities, leading to an interest and other range of $160 million-$190 million in fiscal year 2025. We expect our fiscal year 2025 effective tax rate to be in the range of 23%-24%, slightly higher year-over-year due to the discrete favorability seen this year. Partially offsetting these impacts, we would expect a lower share count between 244 million and 245 million, due to the $500 million of baseline share repurchases we've previously outlined.

Finally, while we continue to expect to generate adjusted free cash flow of approximately $2 billion on average from fiscal 2024-2026, we think it is important to call out that fiscal 2025 will be lower than that average, primarily due to the large contract unwind, as well as quarter end day of week timing. These dynamics will significantly influence our cash flow in Q1 of next year. However, our strong investment-grade balance sheet positions us well to manage through these fluctuations. With respect to the long term, it is full speed ahead. We are reiterating our fiscal year 2024 through 2026 targets for the enterprise and segments, and expect to deliver at least $7.50 of non-GAAP EPS in fiscal year 2025, which reflects at least 30% total EPS growth on a two-year basis.

With that, I will turn it back over to Jason.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Thanks, Aaron. Now for some additional perspective on our Pharmaceutical and Specialty Solutions, where our focus remains executing in the core to build upon our strong foundation. We're continuing to invest in our core business to drive operational efficiency and provide improved customer focus capabilities. At the same time, we have been evolving our commercial engagement strategies to get closer to the customer, better understand their complex needs, and provide proactive solutions. As an example, we've highlighted our first-to-market, clinically integrated supply chain, the Cardinal Health InteLogix Platform, which deploys AI and machine learning through the Palantir Foundry platform to analyze real-time clinical and purchasing data to help providers reduce costs, optimize drug inventories, and streamline medication supply. We've also developed the Cardinal Health Advance Elements offering, which is a suite of hospital reimbursement services that help improve hospitals' workflows and efficiencies.

We've driven tremendous progress in our services for health systems, leading to the successful onboarding of a new key customer and additional new health system business coming in fiscal 2025. We recently broke ground on our new 350,000 sq ft Consumer Health Logistics Center in Central Ohio, that we see as a differentiator in the marketplace. Over the past several years, we've experienced growing demand for over-the-counter consumer health products, which are an important part of our offering for retail pharmacy customers, particularly among our valued retail independent community pharmacies. With innovative technology and automation solutions powering the new facility, which will serve as a centralized replenishment center, we anticipate improved inventory efficiency across our network and providing unparalleled supply chain responsiveness for our customers. We see the rapid development of advanced automation technologies as an ongoing opportunity for our business.

During the quarter, we deployed new sortation systems in a number of our distribution centers with a continual focus on employee safety, customer service, and operational efficiency. Turning to specialty, where we have and will continue to invest to accelerate our growth. As Aaron noted, our integration of Specialty Networks is underway, and the reaction from the providers we serve and the energy from our new teammates has been extremely encouraging. Specialty Networks' mission, as part of Cardinal Health, remains creating clinical and economic value for independent physicians by lowering costs, operating more efficiently, and helping them deliver best-in-class care to their patients. We see greater opportunities together with the business's multi-specialty platform, proprietary technology, and deep clinical expertise being a natural extension of Cardinal Health's suite of solutions for specialty practices across the country.

Specialty Networks expands our offerings with physicians in the areas of urology, GI, and rheumatology, while providing a proven platform in PPS Analytics that will further invest into fiscal 2025 and look to extend to other therapeutic areas such as oncology. The platform's insight generation capabilities for clinicians are robust, which accelerates our upstream data and research opportunities with biopharma manufacturers. We see these and other capabilities as supporting our ongoing build-out of Navista, our clinician-designed oncology practice alliance, offering advanced services and technology. Navista's mission is to unlock the power of community oncologists to secure their independence and revolutionize patient-centered cancer care. This build-out continues to progress according to plan as we actively pilot next-generation technologies and capabilities with select oncology practices. Upstream with manufacturers, we saw strong performance from our BioPharma Solutions business during the quarter.

With scaled assets, differentiated solutions, and a tenured team of experts, our leading Specialty 3PL has supported 23 launches year to date through March, with more anticipated in the coming quarters. Our 3PL and regulatory consulting capabilities helped pioneer the commercialization of the first CAR T-cell and gene therapies years ago, and we continue to bring innovative services to the market. Opening in May, our Advanced Therapy Innovation Center that features a deep frozen storage suite, will support the complex storage requirements of cell and gene therapies. We've seen our advanced therapy solutions and Nuclear Precision Health Solutions businesses successfully collaborating in support of cell and gene manufacturers. Turning to the GMPD business, where we're executing our GMPD Improvement Plan, we continue to drive momentum across the business in Q3, with strong sequential segment profit growth and significant improvement versus prior year.

During the quarter, we all set approximately 90% of the gross inflation impact on our business through the execution of our mitigation initiatives, commercial contracting efforts, and the continued realization of reduced costs for international freight. We're on track with our target to address these impacts by the time we exit fiscal 2024. We are pleased to achieve 4% top-line growth in the quarter, reflecting the improving health of our business. We saw growth across Cardinal Health Brand and core distribution, and in our domestic and international businesses. Specifically, our five-point plan to grow Cardinal Health Brand volumes continues to show positive trends across the key leading indicators. Our customer loyalty index score for U.S. distribution has increased by 14 points in the past two years and is up over 20 points from its pandemic low a few years ago.

We successfully retained key distribution customers, and the team is gearing up for some new customer implementations in the months ahead. Our product back orders remain near multi-year lows, and we've continued to develop and commercialize new products, such as our Kendall Pediatric Sleeve, to prevent deep vein thrombosis risk in young patients. We've noted our investments in the resiliency of our supply chain to better service our customers. In Q3, our efforts were recognized as the first distributor to achieve the highest rating by Healthcare Industry Resilience Collaborative's Resiliency Badge Program, a key industry benchmark of our progress. Finally, we are executing our simplification initiatives across our business with a continued focus on optimizing our cost structure and global manufacturing and supply chain. In Nuclear and Precision Health Solutions, we're realizing continued double-digit growth in theranostics, driven by the successful launch execution of new and advanced theranostics in oncology.

For example, we have realized meaningful growth in fiscal 2024 from the adoption and growing demand of prostate cancer radiodiagnostics, which are an important tool for healthcare providers to assess and properly treat the disease. We see a large, growing, and diversified pipeline, positioning our business to deliver value long into the future. The pipeline consists of more than 60 opportunities across oncology, cardiology, and neurology that are either contracted, in negotiations, or being actively explored with pharmaceutical companies. As an example, in oncology, we look forward to expanding our support level of novel prostate radioligand therapies in fiscal 2025. As we look into the future, when you consider the strength of the theranostics pipeline, only a handful of successful products are needed to deliver the strong growth outlined in our long-term targets.

Our At-Home Solutions business plays an instrumental role in providing patients and caregivers the critical products and services they need for care in the home. We continue to see strong demand for home healthcare, and over the past decade, we've grown from servicing about one million customers annually to around five million today. Our business is positioned to accelerate in the coming years as we invest to expand the capacity of our network, the breadth of our offering, and deploy new automation technology. We're excited that our new distribution center being built in South Carolina, featuring the fastest order fulfillment system per square foot in the market, is scheduled to open by early next fiscal year. In OptiFreight Logistics, we continue to hear from our customers the value our TotalVue Analytics technology platform is providing as they seek to control their shipping spend and drive performance.

Our technology provides action-driving analytics and benchmarks with shipping status and delay visibility. We continue to invest in new technology-driven solutions, and true to our commitment to innovation, we collaborate side by side with customers. For example, this quarter, we successfully co-developed and introduced a tailored pharmacy shipping solution with a strategic customer across multiple facilities. Across our businesses, opportunities are everywhere we look. We've affirmed our long-term targets for the enterprise and segments, which reflects Cardinal Health's ability to achieve sustained growth and deliver attractive returns for shareholders through an ongoing focus on value creation. We continue to prioritize the prudent management of our balance sheet and responsible capital allocation. We remain well positioned with the financial flexibility to continue investing in our business and returning capital to shareholders.

As part of our simplification journey, we are taking proactive actions to optimize our future cost structure and enhance our ability to grow well into the future. During the quarter, we took substantial steps to reduce our corporate real estate footprint and reorganized certain teams for greater efficiency and effectiveness. Our business review committee continues to make progress in our ongoing review of the GMPD business. We have no further updates to share today, but plan to keep you apprised of our progress. Driving the improvement plan remains our near-term priority, and the team is making excellent progress. To close, we've had a strong first three quarters of the year and are focused on sprinting through the tape. Plans are in place to deliver growth in fiscal 2025 and beyond, and we're eager to continue delivering for our many stakeholders....

None of this would be possible without our highly engaged and talented team, who continues to lean in, drive our company forward, and fulfill our critical role as healthcare's most trusted partner. With that, we'll take your questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you wish to ask any questions, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please also ensure your mute function is not activated in order to let your signal reach your equipment. Also, please limit yourselves to one question each. Thank you. Our first question today is coming from Lisa Gill, coming from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Lisa Gill (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Jason, I just really want to dig into the 2025 guidance that you've given, especially when we think about the Rx and specialty business. You know, we clearly know that revenue will be down because of the OptumRx contract, but-

Operator (participant)

Sorry about that, gentlemen. Her line appears just to have dropped suddenly. If she could just maybe dial back in, I will put her back in a queue, but now we will move to Michael Cherney. Please go ahead.

Michael Cherny (Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Good morning, and hopefully, my line won't drop. I probably had a similar question on Lisa, so hopefully, you can address this directly. Relative to the 2025 segment EBIT, as you think about the moving pieces here, you know, maybe a two-part question. First, is there any way you can give us an underlying growth rate beyond the loss of Optum? And then second, as you think about the at least 1% segment performance, can you give us just a further breakdown on how much of that is volume growth versus mix, versus new customers? You know, any more color you can provide on that as we think about the jumping-off point, and then how that factors into 2026 would be great. Thanks so much.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Good morning, this is Aaron. I appreciate the question, and happy to provide a little more context. I want to start by observing that the PS&S team have strong plans for 2025, as they continue to deliver against what was a very strong, you know, fiscal 2024. We had provided long-term guidance for PS&S of 4%-6% profit growth. As we now think about that in comparison to the guidance we provided today of at least 1% profit growth within that segment, you know, the delta you should think about it is really the impact of profit, net impact of profit so far, you know, relative to the Optum business. And the simple math I do is, if you take the midpoint of our long-term guidance to 5%, you know, each percentage point is worth about $20 million.

You take it down to the 1%, the at least 1% that we've guided, you know, that's about an $80 million net impact, you know, so far, that we are working through. So that's the profit guide I would give you. On the revenue side, I would observe that we've already provided the impact that fiscal 2023 was about 16% of a revenue. Fiscal 2024, not yet done, we'll land somewhere between $35 billion and $40 billion of revenue. Back that out, but recognizing that the portfolio is still growing, you know, 10% or so, as we push ahead.

Lastly, on the cash flow side of the house, I hope you noted my comments that we are holding to our average of $2 billion of adjusted, you know, cash flow each year in the 2024-2026 period. It will be lower in 2025 as we work through the negative working capital position from that non-renewed contract and a days a week impact, but this is manageable, and as you, I hope you take away from the fact we're calling growth as we push ahead for PS&S. We have plans in place. Jason, anything you want to add?

Yeah, just I'll build out a little bit further the puts and takes for 2025.

As Aaron highlighted and scoped it, the delta is a net approximately $80 million when you look at those different reference points. So that obviously implies an Optum impact of something greater than that. That's being partially mitigated through several different items that we've called out. One is the other customer progress that we've had. So this value proposition is definitely resonating well with our customers, and so we've had good win rates in other areas. And so that would allow us some opportunity to partially offset that. That's included in that net 80, as well as the inclusion of Specialty Networks. So overall, specialty growth we expect to continue to be strong, and then we have the Specialty Networks acquisition that closed last month.

So we'll get, you know, kind of a three-quarter type of year-over-year benefit, because we'll have it in our fourth quarter as well, and the ongoing growth with that. And then there's some opportunity to further reduce cost, by streamlining our processes, even further simplifying even further. So overall, we feel really good about those offsets, and that gets us to that net, about four percentage points that we're calling out right now.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, sir. We're going to move to George Hill of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead, your line is open.

George Hill (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Yeah, good morning, guys. And Jason, I kind of have a question around the intersection of the competitive environment and specialty. The industry has been pretty stable without any large contract switches for a while, though we saw two kind of in the last handful of months. And my question is, like, given the composition of assets in the pharmaceutical business right now, are you seeing more of a demand for what I would call, like, cross-functional, service, where people want to see core, core pharmaceutical distribution, with other parts of specialty with, you know, as it relates to oncology? And just, just trying to figure out, like, how do you guys feel with the breadth of solutions that you offer, as the competitive environment evolves?

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah, there's a couple of things I think about with this, George. First of all, thanks for the question. You know, as I step back and think about just the backdrop of your question on the competitive environment, you know, there, while there are a couple changing hands, as you highlighted, I think the overall market continues to behave in a very, you know, rational way. We continue to be very thoughtful and disciplined in how we participate within it. And it's the exception of those contracts changing hands. The vast majority of contracts don't change hands as they come up for renewal. So I don't think that it changes things.

And yet, while you're still stepping back from everything, our role ultimately on the distribution side is to safely, securely, and efficiently deliver these products for our customers. That hasn't changed. Now, I think your question is, are there other elements that make that evolve further? Hey, we've got the full suite of services. We are building those out further. I think our customers always are looking for opportunities where we can add additional value. That hasn't changed either. It just evolves as to where they are most focused, and each customer has a little bit different value proposition from which to build from.

So that will resonate better with some customers than others, and our objective is to continue to build out those capabilities, both upstream and downstream, so that we can be that full service supplier and partner to ensure that we can help them to grow their business.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

George, I would add one further thought, which is, as you see from examples like our acquisition of Specialty Networks, of course, we continue to work to get closer to the ultimate practitioner, so that we are prepared to offer the incremental services that the industry is demanding.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We now move to Lisa Gill of J.P. Morgan. Thanks. Please go ahead again, ma'am.

Lisa Gill (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Good morning, and thank you, and hopefully this time it'll work. So, my question was actually asked, but I wanna just really dig in just a little bit deeper. As I think about the cadence for 2025, I know you're not giving specific guidance, but maybe even first half, second half, as we think about some of the comments you made, for example, simplifying costs, right?

Operator (participant)

Okay, very sorry about that. I'm very sorry.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Well, yeah, I think, I think we, I think we can understand where she was going with trying to build out further for first half versus second half. So, the one thing I would stress, you know, let's talk about the puts and takes and the timing of the puts and takes. So this customer migration will be somewhat of a cliff event at the end of the fiscal year. So, you know, the June 30th-July 1st, which is exactly the beginning of the fiscal year. So that first quarter, we'll see that volume drop off fairly precipitously.

And then the other business that we've won, some of it is already feathering in, some of it will continue over the course of the year, and we've highlighted in our comments, a lot of it will be in the second half of fiscal 2025. So the timing of that, that piece of the puts and takes will be a little bit more second half weighted. Especially networks I referenced, that is a nice tailwind that is going to start benefiting us. It's included in our guidance for the fourth quarter, but we'll have three quarters of year-over-year performance driven by that business being added in, and then the continued to just overall growth of utilization over the course of next year that we expect as well. The other cost actions will be varied.

There's some things we've been planning for this for quite some time, and so some of those cost actions will be in place by the end of the year. Some of those will need to take time to allow our operations to settle with that lower volume. So, this is a customer that, you know, beyond it being, you know, it's a large and growing customer, so we definitely liked that volume. At the same time, it was a customer that had a lot of non-standard and customized processes, and the demand profile was a bit more volatile. So we'll be able to operate more efficiently as this volume exits, but that won't necessarily be a day one type of thing.

It will take us a little bit of time to get each of the individual sites to be flowing with the new product that is coming in, but also just optimizing with the existing product. So the puts and takes, they're all items that we start to see some mitigation at the very beginning of the fiscal year and then build over the course of the year.

Operator (participant)

Thank you.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, sir. We'll now move to Allen Lutz, calling from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Allen Lutz (Director and Research Analyst of Healthcare Technology and Distribution)

Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. We've heard anecdotally that generic prices are a little bit firmer this time versus maybe last year. Can you talk a little bit about buy-side and sell-side pricing here of generics and maybe how gross profit dollars in that part of the business and generics are trending versus?

Aaron Alt (CFO)

So thanks for the question. What we would tell you is we continue to be in a environment of consistent market dynamics, where we see stability on the buy and the sell within our generic business. As we've talked about in the past, the stability that comes with that is when we see a rising tide of volume and a strong prescription demand environment, which we have, and we continue to see strength in the generics portfolio, and that's where we are. We are aware that others have made comments somewhat variant from that over time, but we see consistent market dynamics and view that stability as a strength of our portfolio.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We'll now move to Kevin Caliendo, calling from UBS. Please go ahead.

Kevin Caliendo (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks. I'll try to ask quickly before it gets dropped. Can you help us bridge on the medical side, you know, sort of the inputs to get to your fiscal 2025 operating income from sort of where we are today? What are the most important factors that will get us from sort of where we are with the run rate through fiscal Q3 of 2024 to the, the expected numbers in fiscal 2025? And then just a quick follow-up: Does the loss of Optum and, and your, your partner in Red Oak also lost a large payer contract, has that affected Red Oak in any way, shape, or form, or your, your purchasing power or your economics there? I'm just wondering how to think about that, because it's two sizable chunks of business, but I just don't know how to think about the impact on Red Oak.

Thank you.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Why don't I start with the med cadence, and then turn it over to Jason to talk further about, you know, Red Oak? Look, rather the GMPD business, we are executing against the plan that we've now been talking about for several quarters. You know, a couple of numbers on the page. The fiscal year 2023, it was a negative $165 million. Fiscal 2024, today, we've confirmed, we're calling a positive $65 million. That's about a $230 million swing, which puts us, halfway to the fiscal 2026 target of $300 million. Fiscal 2025, we've called today, will be approximately $175 million, you know, million dollars, really a midpoint, you know, between those.

How we get there is how we've gotten halfway there so far. The single biggest initiative, the single biggest impact to those numbers is continuing to achieve the inflation mitigation that we've been talking about, you know, for several quarters. We exited Q3 at about 90%. We expect to achieve full mitigation by the end of the fiscal year. But as we move into next year, of course, we'll be lapping the lower percentage execution, so that will be tailwind. That will be significant tailwind for us, certainly in the first half, and indeed, for the full year.

It's also important that we continue to see the good revenue growth, and in particular, the good volume and revenue growth tied to the Cardinal Health Brand, as that is a more profitable part of our business. I know you noticed that in Q1, we called out a positive change in trend relative to the revenue in that business. Q2, we saw a 2% growth. Q4, we saw 4% growth. And so we're seeing signs of progress that give us reasons to believe that we can achieve both the $65 this year and the $175 next year. Lastly, on the cadence and the importance of the team will continue to do what they've been doing around simplification and cost out, right?

It's a very complex business, and the team has been doing a good job of simplifying and identifying sources of cost this year, and that will continue into next year as well. Jason, anything you want to add or talk about Red Oak?

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Nothing to add on that component. As it relates to Red Oak, we feel very good about the scale and competitiveness of that joint venture that we have with CVS. The combined volume that we both bring is sufficient to have significant scale in the space. The percentage of volume that was related to the lost customer is quite small relative to the total that we have; that remains. So we feel good about our continuing our mandate of both continued value for our partners and ultimately our customers, and as well as the dual mandate aspect of also driving supply as much as possible.

Kevin Caliendo (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thank you.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Why don't I go to Eric Percher from Nephron Research. Please go ahead.

Eric Percher (Co Founder and Senior Research Analyst)

Thank you. A couple of modest items relative to pharma that I wanted to tick through. One is, in discussing the headwind, penciling out to $80 million, you used the comment so far, once or twice. Is that so far reflecting that there may be more mitigation or that this is in flux? That would be one. Number two, is there a contemplation of any incentive comp reduction in 2025, that would then reset in 2026 in that mitigation? And the last one is Specialty Networks. It sounds like you're expecting a benefit at the top profit line. I believe the comment when you closed it was, it would be accretive 12 months following close. Any commentary on contribution there would be helpful as well. Thank you.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah, so the so far comment was simply to highlight that we are guiding to at least 1% growth, and so that reference is entirely around. Of course, we continue to look for other opportunities to mitigate further, and you know, depending upon our success with those additional actions, will be the answer to your question about incentive comp. We'll, of course, appropriately define a target with the alignment with our Board to ensure that we are motivated to drive the business forward. And then, as it relates to Specialty Networks, our underlying assumptions are unchanged. The accretive comment was, you're right, Eric, that the reference point was a year after the close, and that was including the dilutive effect on the interest.

So the lost interest on $1 billion-$1.2 billion is the offset to the operating earnings that we see within the pharma business. So it's really just the geography of the plus and minus with that.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Eric, you'd also asked about the impact to compensation plans, and the point I would make is we set compensation plans on an annual basis, for the management teams. But we also have a long-term element, which is highlighted in our proxy, and the targets there, and we'll continue to... The teams will be continuing motivated to hit those objectives. Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Yes, gentlemen, the next question will be coming from Stephanie Davis of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Davis (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. You called out a few new wins and expansions in the prepared remarks, and you did highlight some customer progress that offsets the Optum headwinds. So I was hoping we can dig in there a little bit more. Can you tell us about the nature of these wins? Is this more core? Is it oncs? Is it other allergies? And how much of the bridge from FY 2025 to the three-year guidance relies on further progress with these wins versus, more of the streamlining and cost offsets that you've called out?

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah. So it's across various classes of trade, so it's broad-based wins that we've received. We are not anticipating needing additional new wins beyond what we've already completed or in process of completing. And that's why when you think about the embedded guidance that we're talking about in terms of maintaining our long-term targets of that 4%-6% growth, you know, some years, like this year, we're at the above the high end, and next year will be a little bit below the low end, but the average is out to that 4%-6%. And so it implies a 2026 and beyond type of rate con- that continues to be in that 4%-6% range, which is kind of a normal normalized, ongoing type of earnings level.

So, how I step back and think about our progress to date, it really comes down to our service levels and our customer service, and really listening to what is important to those customers, and working with them for a solution that is not necessarily customized, it is standardized, but with their needs in mind. And we're getting fantastic feedback from our, you know, current customers in terms of what that service level has been. That is translating over to, you know, the desire by customers that we're not working with today to consider using, using Cardinal Health. And so, we have the time, attention, and energy now that we're able to devote even more to those existing customers, to streamline those processes in a little bit more of a simplified fashion.

We'll continue to drive that value proposition with those new customers. But it's very much, you know, booked business type of perspective that we're now into execution mode. After this year, fiscal 2025, we'd expect it to be even more normalized at that point.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

I would add a couple things to that. First, you asked about cost out, and my response, or our response, is that simplification has been a priority of ours for the last couple of years, and we will, of course, continue to go looking for ways we can simplify our operations and optimize our cost. But let me be clear, right? We are not backing away from customer support, particularly the new customers coming on board, so that we do that seamlessly. And we're not backing away from investing in our future across our enterprise. And so we will continue to talk about the highlights of those as we make them in future earnings calls, but we will optimize as appropriate while focused on the long term.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, sir. We'll now move to Eric Coldwell, calling from Baird. Please go ahead.

Eric Coldwell (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks, and good morning. I wanted to talk a bit about specialty in general, and then tie in Specialty Networks. So in the recent past, you've given a sizing of your overall specialty business in the low- to mid-$30 billion range. You will lose some of that with the Optum roll-off, probably $3.5 billion-$4 billion, I'm guessing. You're gonna add some with Specialty Networks, and then you have normal market growth. So netting this all together, what would you anticipate the baseline specialty business to be sized at when you start fiscal 2025?

Jason Hollar (CEO)

So those are a number of puts and takes that, as you noticed, I'm sure, Eric, we did not provide revenue guidance in this update. We will be providing that in the next update, of course. So certainly, you're, you're in the ballpark on the Optum piece, because as I've highlighted before, that is about 10% of that overall book of business. That specialty, everything else would be PD non-specialty. And, Specialty Networks, the revenue is, is quite low because it's the service revenue, it's not distribution revenue. So that's what I would think of independent is that we, of course, would expect our non-Optum specialty revenue to continue to grow nicely, and we will frame that. But don't think about that as something specifically related to Specialty Networks.

Operator (participant)

Thank you very much. Next question is coming from Elizabeth Anderson, calling from Evercore. Please go ahead.

Elizabeth Anderson (Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hi, guys. Thanks so much for the question. I was hoping you could talk a little bit about more about GMPD. It seems like the competitive environment maybe is improving in your favor. It seems like maybe there's some benefit from underlying, just like, utilization demand. Could you maybe just give us a little bit more color on sort of those underlying changing dynamics and more, maybe more conceptually and about some of the specific cost cutting and other inflation offsets that you've already talked about?

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah, I think the competitive environment, I'm not sure I'd put much into that. Our performance within this industry has improved dramatically. I referenced in my comments, the customer loyalty scores have improved consistently and dramatically from the bottom of the pandemic a couple of years ago. So our performance is noticeable. Our customers are feeling it, that customer loyalty index, the scores behind it improving because we have the low backorder, we have product availability, we have great service levels. We're very engaged from a sales force perspective. So we're out there now selling instead of reacting to the challenges of the pandemic. So our customers are feeling that. We have very stable win-loss types of rates. We're growing at least with the market now.

So it's more of us showing up, I think, the right way than the market being overly, you know, growing more or growing less. The market utilization continues to be more and more normalized, so there's maybe a little bit of volatility here and there, but it's much more normalized compared to where it has been the last several years. So that's, and that's the environment we like. We like to see, you know, predictable, consistent, lower single digit type of utilization rates that we can grow a little bit above that through our mix and other actions.

And then, of course, as Aaron highlighted, the single biggest driver, not only this past year, but what we expect, at least in the first half of next year, would be just the lapping of the inflation impacts and everything we've done to mitigate that. That's another thing that's helpful for us to get that behind us, so that we're focused on selling and talking to our customers about the value that we can help provide them, as opposed to dealing with inflationary fluctuations that have occurred in the past. So we're well positioned to now drive the other elements of the medical GMPD Improvement Plan, which is the ongoing simplification, the ongoing cost reductions, but just continuing to really prioritize more than anything that Cardinal Health brand volume growth.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Yes, sir. The next question will be coming from Stephen Baxter, calling from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Stephen Baxter (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Healthcare Services)

Hi, thanks. Just one quick confirmation, then the actual question. I think what you're suggesting is that beyond fiscal 2025, there is no direct or indirect impact from the Optum contract loss to contemplate. Just wanted to confirm that point, that there's not any kind of earnings contribution from a transitional period inside the 2025 thinking. And then the actual question is from the Other segment. You know, the revenue growth's been quite strong. It's taken a little bit for, you know, the profit growth to kind of catch up to your long-term expectations. Just remind us what the key kind of moving parts are there to accelerate the profit growth in the next couple of years. Thanks.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Sure. In answer to your first question, our guide today does confirm the long-term growth within the pharma business of 4%-6%. It will be off a lower base in fiscal 2025 as we grow at least the 1%. We've not commented on an absolute dollar basis, but we will provide more context on that when we get to our year-end results and final guidance for fiscal 2025 during our August, you know, earnings call. With respect to the Other business, we are pleased with what we're seeing so far. We resegmented the operation to create additional transparency, focus, and accountability, and I referenced in my prepared remarks that we are already seeing the benefit of that. The top-line results are good, right?

And we guided 6%-8% profit growth for this year. We were a little bit lower than that in Q3 for the businesses aggregating in Other so far. And of course, we had the impact of some of the non-recurring adjustments that we called out in Q2, tied to the at-home business, which reports into, you know, Other, in the second quarter. But I want to emphasize, we did confirm that we are expecting to achieve the, you know, higher results, the 8%-10% for fiscal 2024, and we confirmed the high end of that range for fiscal 2025, you know, as Jason digs in with the businesses now reporting directly to them, and as we invest as an enterprise against setting those businesses up for a higher growth trajectory.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah, just a couple of things to add. First of all, on the first question, just to be real explicit, given it's a cliff event, customer transition that we are anticipating for July 1, we'd anticipate that that would be largely in fiscal 2025 results, and there's nothing that we're calling out or indicating at this point that would carry over into 2026. And as it relates to the other businesses, how I think about them, they're each growing very nicely. They each have strong industry, strong sectors of the industry that are benefiting from their own individual secular tailwind. So they each have different reasons for their growth, but ultimately, it's because they each of these three areas provide a real interesting value proposition to customers and ultimately to the patients.

And each of these three we have a leadership position in, so we're not only benefiting it from that secular trend, but we're leading and maintaining or growing our own fair share within it. So we're well positioned for each one of these three and why we have confidence. We are investing into them, as Aaron highlighted. That's driving the growth that we believe will be driving long-term profitability as well.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Yes, sir. The next question will be coming from Charles Rhyee of TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Charles Rhyee (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hi, this is Lucas on for Charles. I wanted to ask about Cardinal Health Brand and get a sense of where we're at on the path to realizing $50 million in targeted growth by fiscal 2026. I understand that you've expanded the number of products you offer under a private label and that you're starting to see momentum and growing volumes. Can you help us understand how much of that $50 million has already been realized, and then how much we should expect you guys to realize in fiscal 2025? Thanks.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah, so we inflected a couple of quarters ago, right? You saw that with our overall revenue growth that is partly driven by the Cardinal Health Brand volume growth. So we saw, for example, this quarter, our revenue growth of 4% was prorated within that national brand as well as Cardinal Health Brand. So we're seeing distribution stabilize. We're seeing that we've won some business there that has allowed us to grow at or a little bit better than the market. So overall, we're seeing that this business has now stabilized at a growth consistent with the market. We expect that to continue. This is something that we do have as a component of that growth.

As Aaron highlighted, the single biggest driver of profit performance for 2025, from 2024-2025 is the annualization, the carryover of the inflationary pressure. So that's the biggest item, well, you know, implied $110 million year-over-year profit improvement. Then beyond that, you have Cardinal Health Brand volume growth, cost reductions, and other actions. And so it is a component, it's not the biggest component. And then it would be, from 2025 to 2026, the primary components that then drive that growth would be Cardinal Health Brand volume, as well as further cost reductions, as we continue to look to streamline and optimize our footprint as well as our other supporting costs.

So, we're not gonna break out the individual pieces there, but those are the biggest pieces then when you go from 2025-2026.

Aaron Alt (CFO)

Next question, please.

Operator (participant)

Yes, sir. Our last question today will be coming from Daniel Grosslight of Citi. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Daniel Grosslight (Senior Research Analyst of Healthcare Technology and Distribution)

Hey, guys. Most of my questions have been asked, but I was hoping to just get an update on Navista and any metrics you're able to share on the market adoption you're seeing there, number of providers aligned to it, et cetera. And I know one of the key strategic objectives of the Specialty Networks acquisition was to kinda integrate some of their technology, notably PPS Analytics, into Navista and other specialty assets. So I'm also curious if you can provide an update on how quickly you can integrate that technology, and or if you've already kind of started on that path. Thank you.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah. Yeah, thanks for the question, Daniel. And with Navista, we are on track to everything that we've laid out, first raising this about a year ago. And as I think about the progress we've made, I'd break it into a few key buckets. First and foremost, we've hired and brought in a fantastic team, a great mixture of internal and external talent, really drawing from industry, those that have done this before and understand what that looks like, but also using our own expertise that have been more focused in other therapeutic areas, but a nice augmentation of the two. And then that new team quickly went to work and defined...

Well, went in front of our customers and prospective customers and really listened as to what is it that they need to run their practice, their business, more efficiently, more effectively. And it was through that work that we then came to the final point, which is defining the tools, the capabilities that we are building within Navista. So we didn't just go off and build it. We are building it around what the customers are demanding that they need. Those community oncologists, those independent community oncologists, really looking at differentiating for what they need to run their business, both, again, efficiently, but also effectively to further improve upon the lives of their patients. So that is the work that's been done, and we are, you know, every day building out more elements of this.

So I wouldn't think about it as a particular date that everything goes live and we suddenly have this influx of volume. This is the type of thing that builds out our capability over time in different ways, and working with our current customers, as well as the prospective ones, to layer in when they come into this network and which services, which services they utilize within the network. So that leads you to the Specialty Networks piece, which I would think about it as we now have an internal technology and capability set that's augmenting what we had before. But Navista's always approached this in terms of the best of the best in the industry.

Using what we have is great, but we also are using a lot of third-party partners to bring in their tools and capabilities, 'cause we're gonna put the customer's needs first, the provider's needs first, and then build around that. So we do see that there's a role for Specialty Networks and their PPS Analytics platform, but we're not going to make that the priority. We're gonna listen to the customers and then determine which pieces of that to bring into that network. So we haven't finalized those decisions as it relates to Specialty Networks, but what I will tell you, on day one, just having that team's insight and expertise has been very beneficial to our own Navista team. So having... And I mentioned this when we announced the acquisition of Specialty Networks.

Yeah, the assets are fantastic, the business is fantastic, but the most important thing for us was the leadership team, and the capabilities that they're bringing along with it is every bit as great as what we thought it was when we made the announcement. And we're seeing that with boots on the ground now as we work, not just with Navista, but with the broader business, to further improve our capabilities across all the therapeutic areas.

Operator (participant)

Thank you very much, gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's question and answer session. I turn the call back over to Mr. Jason Hollar for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you.

Jason Hollar (CEO)

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Just to close, appreciate everyone spending some time with us this morning. We hope the overall message that you took away from the call today is that we have a strong and resilient business, and a very clear plan for us for 2025 and 2026, and we're excited about the opportunities and ensuring that our customers and our patients continue to get fantastic service. So thanks again for joining us today, and have a great day.

Operator (participant)

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's presentation. Thank you for your attendance. You may now disconnect. Have a good day, and goodbye.