The Cooper Companies - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 FY25 delivered modest top-line growth and continued margin expansion with small beats vs S&P Global consensus: revenue $1.0023B vs $0.9952B consensus and non-GAAP EPS $0.96 vs $0.93 consensus; GAAP EPS was $0.44, flat YoY. Revenue Consensus Mean and EPS Consensus Mean from S&P Global: $995.2M*, $0.929*.
• Guidance raised/tightened: FY25 revenue to $4.107–$4.146B (midpoint up), CVI $2.759–$2.786B (low end up), CSI $1.347–$1.359B (narrowed), and non-GAAP EPS to $4.05–$4.11 (up).
• Execution strengths: double-digit growth in daily silicone hydrogel at CooperVision and office & surgical at CooperSurgical; non-GAAP operating margin to 25% (from 24% YoY) on efficiency and leverage.
• Key watch items: softer fertility (Asia-Pac cycles down; clinics delaying capex), contact lens industry growth trimmed to 4–6% with channel inventory/shorter-supply purchasing pressure; $4M FY25 tariff headwind baked in and potential 2026 EPS pre‑mitigation impact of ~3% if tariffs persist.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

• What Went Well

  • Non-GAAP profitability expanded: gross margin 68% (67% LY) and non-GAAP operating margin 25% (24% LY), driven by efficiency gains and mix; non-GAAP EPS up 14% YoY to $0.96.
  • CVI momentum in premium dailies: “double-digit growth in CooperVision's daily silicone hydrogel portfolio” (MyDay toric/multifocal/EnerGys); management expects acceleration as fitting sets/trials drive Q4.
  • CSI strength outside fertility: office & surgical up 13% reported (10% organic), Paragard up 18% aided by price increase and new single‑hand inserter.

• What Went Wrong

  • Fertility softer than expected: Asia-Pac cycles declined; clinics tightening cash and delaying capital purchases; CSI fertility up only 3% reported (2% organic).
  • Contact lens market recalibration: industry grew ~4% in calendar Q1; COO trimmed market growth view to 4–6% and sees ongoing channel inventory pressure as consumers buy shorter supplies (3–6 months vs annual).
  • Q3 gating below ranges: management guided that both CVI and CSI organic growth will be below their full‑year organic ranges in Q3, with Q4 “at or above” tops of ranges; MySight free‑trial promotions create a modest Q3 headwind before a stronger Q4.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Hello, thank you for standing by. At this time, we would like to welcome you to the Q2 2025 Cooper Companies earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kim Duncan, Vice President of Investor Relations and Risk Management. Please go ahead.

Kim Duncan (VP of Investor Relations)

Good afternoon, and welcome to Cooper Companies' second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. During today's call, we will discuss the results and guidance included in the earnings release and then use the remaining time for questions. Our presenters on today's call are Al White, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Andrews, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements, including statements relating to revenues, EPS, cash flows, FX and tax rates, tariffs, and other financial guidance and expectations, strategic and operational initiatives, market conditions and trends, and product launches and demand. Forward-looking statements depend on assumptions, data, or methods that may be incorrect or imprecise and are subject to risks and uncertainties.

Events that could cause our actual results and future actions of the company to differ materially from those described in forward-looking statements are set forth under the caption, "Forward-looking Statements," in today's earnings release and are described in our SEC filings, including Cooper's Form 10-K and Form 10-Q filings, all of which are available on our website at coopercodes.com. Also, as a reminder, the non-GAAP financial information we will provide on this call is provided as a supplement to our GAAP information. We encourage you to consider our results under GAAP as well as non-GAAP and refer to the reconciliations provided in our earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website under Quarterly Materials. Should you have any additional questions following the call, please email [email protected]. Now I'll turn the call over to Al for his opening remarks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Thank you, Kim, and welcome everyone to today's fiscal Q2 earnings call. This was another solid quarter with consolidated organic revenue growth of 7%, led by double-digit growth in both our daily silicone hydrogel lenses at Cooper Vision and our office and surgical portfolio at Cooper Surgical. We also continued executing at a high level, delivering operational improvements and OpEx leverage that drove double-digit non-GAAP earnings growth. Similar to other companies, we're dealing with a more complex global operating environment, but we're controlling what we can by executing well, including taking share, delivering leverage, launching products, and completing capacity expansion projects. We'll cover all of that on today's call. Moving to the numbers, consolidated revenues were $1.002 billion, up 6% year-over-year or up 7% organically. Cooper Vision reported quarterly revenues of $670 million, up 5% or up 7% organically.

Cooper Surgical posted quarterly revenues of $333 million, up 8% or up 7% organically. Margins improved nicely, and non-GAAP earnings were $0.96, up 14% year-over-year. For Cooper Vision and reporting growth rates organically, the Americas grew 8%, EMEA 6%, and Asia-Pac 5%. Within categories, torics and multifocals grew 7%, and spheres were up 6%. Within modalities, our daily silicone hydrogel lenses, MyDay and Clarity, grew 10%, and our silicone hydrogel FRP lenses, Biofinity and Avera, were up 6%. Our myopia management portfolio grew 19%, with MySight up 35%. Turning to products and starting with daily silicone hydrogel lenses, MyDay continued growing double digits with particular strength in torics, multifocals, and our innovative EnerGys offering. We remain very bullish on this product family as we increase availability in new markets and in new channels to capitalize on opportunities from greater penetration in existing accounts and with new customers.

With improved capacity, we're back to being aggressive, and that can be seen in a number of areas, including increasing availability of our multifocal and extended toric ranges, new launch activities such as MyDay EnerGys in Canada, and our upgraded Clarity One Day sphere with Wetlock technology in Japan, and expanded private label discussions. A lot of this activity is tied to increasing fitting sets and trial lenses, so we expect this to accelerate revenue growth starting in fiscal Q4, which is supported by the strong fitting activity we're seeing today. To add a little more color, we just launched MyDay EnerGys with its innovative digital boost technology in Canada through a series of well-covered events, and early feedback is extremely positive. We're receiving significant requests for fitting sets, and initial orders are rolling in.

Meanwhile, our MyDay toric parameter expansion, which provides eye care practitioners with the widest skew range by far for a daily toric lens, continues progressing well across North America and Europe, and we will be launching the range expansion in targeted Asia-Pac markets soon. Lastly, MyDay multifocal's unique advanced 3AD design, paired with its easy fitting system, is performing exceptionally well as market availability continues to increase. Turning to Clarity, we posted solid results with this high-quality, lower-priced lens portfolio, offering a great alternative to MyDay. The redesigned multifocal, which now mirrors MyDay's design, is a fantastic product and grew double digits this quarter, and I could speak to this product's great handling, comfort, and visual acuity as I'm happily wearing them right now reading this script.

Moving to frequent replacement lenses, Biofinity continues to strengthen its position as the number one contact lens in the world, with more people wearing it than any other lens. We're seeing nice growth throughout its full portfolio of market-leading prescription options, including spheres, torics, multifocals, extended ranges, made-to-order products, and EnerGys. Biofinity provides eye care practitioners the ability to fit an amazing 99.9% of all patients, by far the widest offering of any contact lens family on the market. Turning to MySight, we saw growth in fitting activity accelerate this quarter, with revenue reaching $25 million, up 35%. A key component to the improved fitting activity is the implementation of a new pricing model initiated following the conclusion of our global pricing review that confirmed that the annual wearer cost is not a significant barrier to greater fitting activity.

Price certainly matters, and training eye care practitioners and educating parents on myopia is important, but the key driver is just getting kids into the lens. Once kids begin wearing MySight, they love it, and with retention rates running around 90%, they stay in it. When parents verify the benefits of the treatment with their ECPs, they're sold on the technology. With this data, our focus is now heavily on reducing upfront fitting barriers by offering promotions such as an initial one to three months free. This provides a no-risk opportunity for parents to get comfortable with their children wearing contact lenses and for kids and young adults to get comfortable wearing contacts for the first time.

With a broader rollout of this strategy, along with the launch of a large key account private label deal, we're already seeing a nice acceleration in fitting activity in EMEA, and we expect similar success in other markets. This new initial free fitting period will result in a moderate headwind in Q3, but based on current fitting activity, we expect a considerably stronger Q4. Lastly, we're progressing well with our launch planning for MySight in Japan, along with MyDay MySight in EMEA, with both anticipated to occur in early 2026. Moving to Cooper Surgical, we reported revenues of $333 million, up 8% or up 7% organically. The quarter was driven by success in our surgical medical devices, labor and delivery portfolio, and Paragard. Fertility was a little softer than we were expecting, so let me start there.

For the quarter, fertility revenues were $127 million, up 3%, and up 2% organically. Although supported by positive signs such as double-digit growth in our donor business and in our Witness System consumables that fertility labs use to track activity, overall growth was lower than expected due primarily to market softness. This was largely tied to Asia-Pac, where fertility cycles continued to decline year-over-year and from fertility clinics managing cash tighter, which is including delaying capital purchases and installments. We expect this softness to continue and to put pressure on market growth and our growth. Having said that, cycle growth in EMEA and the Americas remained solid, which supports the market near-term, and we remain incredibly bullish on the long-term prospects for fertility as the underlying growth fundamentals remain intact, including women delaying childbirth, improving access to treatment, increasing patient awareness, increasing benefit coverage, and improving technology.

Additionally, it's estimated that one in six people worldwide will experience infertility at some point in their lives, so this is an issue that impacts a lot of people. As a leader in the space, we will continue delivering innovation, launching new products and services, providing extensive clinical training, and expanding geographically. Moving to office and surgical, we posted sales of $206 million, up 13% or up 10% organically. As mentioned on our last earnings call, we expected a strong Q2, and we delivered. Performance was driven by strength in minimally invasive gynecological surgical devices such as our Alli Uterine Manipulator portfolio and within labor and delivery with products such as Fetal Pillow and our Cervical Ripening Balloon. Although not included in organic growth, we also saw considerable strength in OBP Surgical, our most recent acquisition of an innovative suite of single-use lighted cordless surgical retractors, which grew 31%.

Paragard grew 18% this quarter, supported primarily by the conclusion of buy-in activity before our May 1 price increase, but also due to continued interest in our new single-hand inserter, which we launched earlier this year. With Paragard now having grown 15% through the first six months of the year, heavily driven by channel fill, we now expect a mid-teens decline in fiscal Q3 before a flattish Q4 resulting in low to mid-single-digit growth for the full fiscal year. To conclude, let me comment on our revenue guidance, which we're tightening and raising at the midpoint. This incorporates our solid Q2 performance and the positive impact from updated currency rates, offset by lower organic growth rates that corresponds to a reduction in our market growth assumptions for contact lenses and fertility.

For contact lenses, the industry grew 4% in calendar Q1, so we're reducing growth expectations to the 4%-6% range for the year, down from 5%-7%. This new range matches the industry's historical growth range, which we saw for many years pre-COVID. With this change, we're adjusting Cooper Vision's organic growth expectations to 6%-7%. To be fair, industry pricing remains solid and consumption remains healthy, so this may prove conservative depending on market conditions and channel inventory. For Cooper Surgical, we're reducing market growth expectations for fertility to the low single digits, down from mid to upper single digits, and correspondingly reducing our fertility growth expectations. This is partially offset by the strength we've seen in Paragard, but still reduces Cooper Surgical's consolidated organic growth rate to the 3.5%-4.5% range.

Again, it's important to note our commercial execution at Cooper Vision and Cooper Surgical remains strong, and we're taking share, but against an expectation for softer market growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian to cover our financial results in more detail, including our earnings guidance.

Brian Andrews (CFO and Treasurer)

Thank you, Al, and good afternoon, everyone. Most of my commentary will be on a non-GAAP basis, so please refer to the earnings release for a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results. For the second fiscal quarter, consolidated revenues were $1.002 billion, up 6% as reported and up 7% organically. Consolidated gross margin was 68%, up from 67.3%, driven by continuing efficiency gains and mix. Operating expenses increased 6% but declined as a percent of revenue to 43.1%, driven by leverage in several functional areas as prior investment activity continues to yield positive returns.

One line item worth highlighting this quarter is R&D, where expenses increased 21%. Investments in this area were higher than historical levels for both Cooper Vision and Cooper Surgical as development work continues on several exciting projects. For competitive reasons, I won't get into the details, but we're certainly looking forward to launching these new products in future years. Consolidated operating income was up 11%, improving the operating margin to 24.9%. Below operating income, interest expense was $23.5 million, and the effective tax rate was 14.6%. Non-GAAP EPS was $0.96, up 14%, with roughly $101 million average shares outstanding. Free cash flow was $18 million with CapEx of $78 million. Net debt increased slightly to $2.47 billion, while our bank-defined leverage ratio reduced to 1.9 times. Lastly, we repurchased approximately 537,000 shares of stock back this quarter for roughly $40.6 million.

This leaves $215.8 million of availability under our board-approved $1 billion repurchase plan. Moving to fiscal 2025 guidance, we're adjusting our revenue guidance to incorporate Q2, improving FX rates, and updated market assumptions. On a consolidated basis, this translates to revenues of roughly $4.11 billion-$4.15 billion, up roughly 5.5%-6.5%, or up 5%-6% organically. Cooper Vision's revenue guidance range is now $2.76 billion-$2.79 billion, up roughly 6%-7% as reported and up 6%-7% organically. Cooper Surgical's range is $1.35 billion-$1.36 billion, up 5%-6% as reported, or up 3.5%-4.5% organically. Regarding gating for revenues, we expect organic growth in Q4 to be stronger than Q3 when considering year-over-year comps, the timing around the rollout of products at Cooper Vision, and the gating impact of Paragard for Cooper Surgical.

For earnings, we're raising our non-GAAP EPS guidance to $4.05-$4.11, which is growth of roughly 10%-11.5% year-over-year. For free cash flow, after our seasonally low Q2, we expect sizable improvements in the back half of the fiscal year and continue to expect free cash flow to be in the range of $350 million-$400 million. We'll prioritize debt reduction with these proceeds, but also opportunistically evaluate share repurchases as we did in Q2. Regarding tariffs, we expect a negative impact to cost of goods this year of roughly $4 million, which is built into our guidance. It's too early to guide the next fiscal year, but to help level set everyone. If tariffs remain as is, we expect a pre-mitigation negative impact of roughly 3% to fiscal 2026 earnings.

Once we have clarity on what the tariffs will be, we will implement mitigation actions to reduce this impact. With respect to the impact of currency and revenues and earnings for fiscal 2025, we now expect a roughly 0.5% headwind to revenues and a roughly 1% headwind to earnings. This is down from roughly 1.5% and 4% headwind to revenues and EPS, respectively. That was assumed in last quarter's guidance. There are a number of moving parts, but to summarize our updated guidance for earnings, we're increasing the midpoint of guidance by 10 cents, passing along the positive impact of currency and our Q2 beat offset by tariffs. With that, I'll now hand it back to the operator for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session.

If you're dialed in and would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. You will be allowed to ask one question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from Jeff Johnson from Baird. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Johnson (Senior Research Analyst)

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Al, I was wondering if we could just start on contact lens and market. Sorry if that's my phone making some noise there. I guess my question more than anything is, last quarter, you seem to be a decent amount below market, or a point or two below market for CBI. This quarter, a point or two above.

It'd be interesting to hear kind of some of your on-eye data, other independent industry data that you might have, because it does seem like channel inventory has really been making it hard to compare your growth rates versus others for the last couple of quarters when we just look at revenue reported from the different companies. So any on-eye data and/or other independent industry data you could share?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. Good question. Fair question, certainly, because the numbers are bouncing around for ourselves and for some of our competitors, right, as you see some of the channel inventory move around. I think that's going to continue, frankly, because distributors, retailers, people are just a little bit tighter with their money than they have been historically. A reduction in channel inventory is something that's probably going to continue to pressure us.

When I look through for the fit data, our fit data remains strong. As a matter of fact, it's accelerating right now. As we get more aggressive putting MyDay fitting sets out in the market and finally have some availability for trial lenses for people, we're starting to see a pickup in MyDay activity, which is great in a number of markets. I touched on kind of MySight. Same thing that we're starting to see in MySight was an acceleration of some fitting data. I would say kind of behind the scenes, underneath the numbers, if you will, is some improvement in fitting activity.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from EC Kirby from Redburn Atlantic. Please go ahead.

Issie Kirby (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, thanks so much for taking the questions. I wanted to ask about the lower market growth assumption for vision care for this year.

When you think about the four to six versus where you were at earlier in the year, is this lowering of the guide really more on perhaps softer pricing? Is it more on volume, or is it really around mix as well? Just help us understand some of the perks and takes there. Thanks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. Yeah. The market for a long time was growing kind of in that 4%-6% range, and it has been stronger than that post-COVID. I think at the end of the day, we are back to that kind of growth range. I know a couple of our competitors more recently have said that. I am pretty consistently an optimist when it comes to the market, but I do have to look at market data, right? You look at calendar Q1, and the industry grew 4%.

At the end of the day, the fitting activity is still pretty good out there. As I said, it is accelerating some for us. Pricing is still sound. I am not seeing anything when it comes to discounts or any pricing activity. As a matter of fact, the rumblings in the market are there is going to be some potential price increases here as we move forward. Volume is still good. The mix shift, as you have seen a mix shift over to dailies, is driving a lot of the growth. The torics, multifocals, especially lenses, that kind of stuff is still doing well. I still remain an optimist about it, but I also have to be practical and say, "Hey, look at the numbers of where they came out." They came out at 4% for calendar Q1.

If I look at the growth for this full year, it's probably more mid-single digits, probably historical ranges, and I think we'll take a little bit of share. At the end of the day, I don't take back anything on what I've said about our business. We continue to do well. I continue to think we'll take share. If the market's growing 4-6%, and I say we're growing 6-7%, that's still decent market share gains, and I'm still comfortable with that. It's more taking down the market just for kind of general softness, if you will, rather than a specific thing I'm pointing to.

Issie Kirby (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks. That's helpful. I'm not sure I can squeeze in a follow-up on the fertility and the IVF market there, and just any more color about really what's driving the softness in Asia.

Any thoughts on really the consumer or the cyclical risks to IVF demand in the U.S.? Thanks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. I think there are two pieces to that. Asia-Pac is, yeah, it is down on cycles. Now, some of that goes to the Year of the Snake in China, which is impacting some of the cycles there where I think some women either move forward faster or have delayed IVF cycles a little bit to avoid having a child in the Year of the Snake. My gut tells me that is a little bit more of a temporary thing for Asia-Pac that we will work our way out of as we move through this year. The consumer side of it, I do think that there is a little bit there on the consumer side.

Now, we became a large fertility player and, frankly, number one fertility player in the marketplace when you look at med device, probably starting 10, 11, 12 years ago. This economic difficulty is something we haven't lived through, but I think there is a little bit of consumer pressure there. You're talking about a process that could cost somebody $15,000-$20,000, and a lot of that, all of that potentially is out of pocket. I think when you combine that with fertility clinics themselves just tightening up a little bit in terms of what they're doing with expansion activity and channel inventory, that kind of thing, I think when you put that together, you're getting a market that's growing a little bit softer. Last quarter, I was still very optimistic about that and thinking we would be able to work through that.

I'm not sure that's the case right now. Again, I have to look at the market numbers. When I look at the market numbers, some results of our competitors and what I'm seeing from some clinic and cycle activity, as much as I want to be an optimist and think it's going to be better, I think that fertility, the industry, probably more is a low single-digit grower this year.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Larry Regalson from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Lawrence Biegelsen (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Al, can you hear me okay?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yep. I can hear you, Larry.

Lawrence Biegelsen (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. Good, good. Al, back to the contact lens market. I think you said in fiscal, in calendar Q4, it grew 9%. Calendar Q1, 4%. Obviously, a big deceleration.

What changes are you seeing in the market at the distributor level, and what changes are you seeing from consumer behavior, and in which geographies? We've heard that just consumers—you talked about fittings being strong. We've heard consumers are just buying lower supplies, in other words, three months as opposed to 12 months. Any color on April and May trends? I did have one follow-up.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah, Larry, I think you're spot on there. That's some of what we're seeing, which is when I talk about channel inventory, a lot of times people think about that in the context of contact lenses at a distributor, but that does run through, obviously, distributors, retailers, individuals who are holding contact lenses in their medicine cabinet, so to speak.

If somebody's not buying a year's supply, but they're buying a three-month or a six-month supply, or they're adjusting their wearing habits just a little bit and maybe stretching the lenses or something, all that stuff has an impact. You end up in a situation where consumption or fitting activity and so forth continues to look good, but you get a little bit of softness in your revenues. I think that's the situation that we're in right now. I got it. April, May trends, Al? April, May trends, you go back, I think. I'm remembering right? April was the best month that we've had this year. May, fine. Certainly fine starting off this month. I mean, it's just, I think what we're talking about, I think there's just a little bit of general pressure over there.

There's not a big glaring thing that's coming out there that we can point to. It's more just general market softness. And Brian, Q3 versus Q4 in CVI and CSI, how much lower do you expect Q3 to be? I mean, you expected Q3 to be for both in the range of the full-year organic growth guidance? Thanks for taking the question. Hi, Larry. Thanks for the question. I guess what I would say is if you're trying to model Q3, I would think about those two, Vision and Surgical, being sort of below the bottom ends of the guidance ranges, and then looking at Q4 kind of conversely at the top, above, at or above the top end of the guidance ranges.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from John Black from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Block (Managing Director)

Hey, guys. Thanks. And good afternoon.

I guess maybe just following up on a couple of questions here. So, Al, where are we with channel inventory? Maybe if you want to break that apart amongst the distributors and the consumers in your view, and what's the company's expectations going forward calling for the rest of the year? Because it seems like you're landing right around six and a half or one inch. So I'm somewhat too dissimilar one inch, two inch when we look at a year ago. So curious what the assumption there is and just overall market growth when we think about how to tie—sorry, the phone—when we think about how to tie up for the balance of the year. Thank you.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. I think that we're just going to continue to get pressure as we move through this year from inventory levels on a year-over-year basis. I wouldn't put my finger on one particular thing again.

I wouldn't come back and say, "Focus on distributors in the U.S.," or, "Focus on retailers in Europe or in Asia-Pac or something." I would say just generally, I think as an industry, we're going to continue to have pressure on inventory levels on a year-over-year basis. As Larry said, somebody buying a three-month rather than a six-month, or a three-month rather than a year, or something like that. I think that that's what we're going to see. Now, I don't want to overdo that, by the way, because, I mean, you look at us, our midpoint of our guidance was seven and a half, and now our midpoint of our guidance is six and a half, right? The market's just coming down a point.

I do not want to overdo this, but I do think that we are going to see kind of that consistent pressure as we move through this year. I mean, we will lap that, obviously, right? Inventory will have reset itself down a little bit and probably lower than it should be. I think we kind of just see that through the year. Not a dramatic shift in any individual quarter, just a little bit softer all year long.

Jonathan Block (Managing Director)

Okay. Maybe just a quick follow-up. It seems like just a change in tune of fertility, right? Nobody has been relatively resilient, consumer able to power through sort of different messaging this quarter, in my view. How do we think about that over the next handful of quarters? Is it sort of, "This is the new trend line.

We're probably safest extrapolating that out until we get better clarity from a macro perspective? Just again, Al, the messaging seems a little bit different than maybe just a one-quarter blip, which the cap equipment had been responsible for here or there before.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. I mean, we have a great, obviously, market-leading fertility team, and our team knows the industry and what they're doing like the back of their hand. We grew, I believe it was 14 out of 15 quarters, double-digit before we got into Q1 of this year, and we've had the softer Q1 and Q2 of this year. I look at it right now and say, "Okay.

With that level of consistent growth that we had, that level of excellence and so forth, and now you see the pullback to where it's at right now, I think you're getting some of this kind of temporary activity out there as concerns with the economy or whatever you want to call it have tightened up activity within fertility clinics. To me, I think we probably swung that a little bit too far, it feels like. I think the fertility industry and us also gets a little bit stronger here, and I would be really surprised if Q3 and Q4 do not show strength in comparison to the beginning of this year for the industry and for us. I do not think right now that it jumps back up. I'm not confident like I was last quarter that it jumps back up to the mid or upper single digits.

I think it's more low single digits for the market, maybe a little bit stronger, us, mid-single-digit kind of growth in Q3 and Q4.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Robbie Marcus from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Robbie Marcus (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Oh, great. Thanks for taking the question. Sorry to belabor the point here, but as you think about the lowered guidance for the rest of the year, I guess I'm still a little unsure. How much is from what you've actually seen in results so far? Because you did put up seven on a really tough comp in CVI. How much is what you're expecting? How much is what you're seeing so far in fiscal 3Q? And maybe just walk us through if fits are so strong, is it changes in inventory or so on? Maybe just put all the pieces together. Thanks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah, Robbie, it's a great question, right?

You could certainly make an argument that we're being conservative here based on the underlying data and the survey data and so forth that's out there when you look at consumption and fit activity. I sure as hell hope we are. I also look at it and go, "Okay. What is reality?" We had a 4% quarter here. We are seeing some pressure from the marketplace, if you will, in terms of channel inventory. We can't ignore that, right? I hope I am being conservative, but I don't want to ignore that. Because of that, it's not a dramatic shift down, but it is a reduction. To be fair, obviously, and to be clear, I mean, currency moved in our favor. We passed all that along. Our actual midpoint of our revenue guidance on an as-reported basis is higher year over year.

Again, to go back to just the organic growth of the industry itself, yeah, I think it's just a matter of not ignoring the fact that something's going on with the channel inventory, and it's coming down because the fitting data, consumption data, that type of activity, pretty much on a global basis, by the way, continues to be pretty good.

Robbie Marcus (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. Great. Maybe just one on margins moving forward. You've shown good margin progression first quarter and second quarter here. As we think about the rest of the year, how should we think about the cadence of margins and where that'll come from on the lowered revenue guide? Thanks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. Sure. Hi, Robbie. Thanks for the question. Yeah. The margin story is very much a continuation of what we've been seeing. We're getting efficiency gains, leveraging investment activity from prior investment activity.

You saw gross margins up year over year again this quarter. I'd expect in the second half of the year, gross margins are up year over year for the second half. That'll help drive operating margins higher. We're still getting leverage from investment activity, prior investment activity in the OpEx line items, distribution being one of them. Certainly across a number of the support functions, we are being very disciplined in managing our investment activity and being disciplined around cutting some costs where it makes sense so that we can drive leverage through the P&L. I would expect that what you'll see in the back half of the year is a continuation of the story that you've been seeing, which is better operating margins year over year.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Craig Bejo from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Craig Bijou (Equity Research Analyst)

Good afternoon, guys.

Thanks for taking the questions. Wanted to start with a follow-up just on not the contact lens market, but necessarily your outperformance of the market. I think the outperformance is still the same, even though you lowered the guidance. I think it's still 150 basis points above the market at the midpoint. Maybe, Al, just with some of the moving quarters, some quarters you beat, some you're a little bit below the market. What gives you the confidence that you can outperform the market for the rest of the year?

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. I think there's two things tied to that. One is we spent a lot of time over the last couple of years talking about MyDay and the demand in MyDay. It still remains strong out there.

We're getting a lot of fitting sets and trial lenses out into the market so that more people can try that product. We're in active discussions right now talking about expanding private label contracts that we have, deals that we have, getting more MyDay into the channels. When I look at it and I look at the fitting activity and the interest in that product right now that I see around the world, I feel pretty confident that MyDay is going to get going. It's going to accelerate some. I think it'll take just a little bit, as Brian said, because a lot of it's going to, again, trial sets and free lenses, that kind of thing right now. The fitting activity is there. I see the fitting activity. We see the improvement in it. I think we'll have a stronger Q4.

The other thing when it comes to taking market, and you're right, the market right now, the midpoint of market we're talking about is 5%, and we're 6.5%. So we are not backing away from taking share in this market. That has remained consistent. The other one I would say ends up being MySight. MySight's on a $100 million run rate. We'll do over $100 million in revenues for MySight this year. Maybe it's not growing quite at the clip that I thought it was going to grow, but we still probably do 30-35% growth in MySight this year. And I think you're going to see an acceleration in MySight activity in Q4. That's going to be our strongest quarter because, again, I can see a lot of fitting activity right now, and I see a lot of kids starting to wear that product.

We see that especially true in Europe right now where we're seeing pickup. We've got a brand new large private label contract we entered into, first one like that that's going out with MySight technology in Europe. We're seeing fitting activity associated with that. It's tied to free lenses up front. Try it. You'll like it, and you'll keep it. We're seeing that fitting activity right now with MySight. When I look at that, I think we've got an excellent opportunity to continue to take market share.

Craig Bijou (Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks, Al. Maybe for Brian, just on the tariffs, can you just help us give a little bit of color on what's driving that $4 million that you have in your guidance for tariffs this year? Which countries and how to think about that?

Sure, Craig. Yeah.

Similar to other companies, the way that we account for the activity and cost of goods, we often capitalize that and run that through the P&L six months later. A lot of the activity that's impacting us this year is really impacting us in Q4. We do have a lot of our manufacturing really does support the markets in those regions. We benefit from that activity. Where we are seeing tariff impact predominantly is from manufacturing out of Hungary and, to a lesser extent, manufacturing out of the U.K. That impact is impacting us this year. I talked about the 3% for next year, and that basically summarizes it. We're using basically today's expectations on tariffs. Oh, sorry. I said Hungary. I think I said Hungary. Hungary is actually—let me correct that, actually. Costa Rica is the biggest impact to tariffs to us.

Second is the U.K. Hungary is negligible. Hopefully, that's clear.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Joanne Karen Wuensch from Citigroup Inc. Please go ahead.

Joanne Wuensch (Managing Director)

Good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. I actually have two. What I'm trying to get my head around is when you put the new guidance together, how much of this is reflective of, "Oh, this is what we're seeing in the market"? How much of it is, "This is what others are reporting," and how much of it is maybe conservatism? I'm trying to get my head around this because you did just beat the quarter. I have a follow-up question, please.

Brian Andrews (CFO and Treasurer)

Yeah. That's very fair, Joanne. A part of it is, yeah, what we've seen other people reporting. I was a little surprised by some of the numbers that came up.

What we see reporting, Q1, 4%, what we've seen in the market, we are seeing some tightening of the market when it comes to the channel inventory that we've been talking about. I would say a portion of it, to be fair, is conservatism. I think that we needed to reset our numbers. Our expectations that were out there were a little bit high. We just had a good quarter. We just did 7%. We beat expectations for vision. We beat expectations for surgical. We beat earnings expectations. I mean, frankly, we raised revenue guidance at the midpoint. We raised earnings guidance. It has been across the board raise on that. Having said that, right, you look through that organic growth rates, and I think it's just a prudent time to be a little bit more conservative. Thank you.

Joanne Wuensch (Managing Director)

My follow-up question has to do with FX because FX has moved so dramatically since we all got together and talked less than 90 days ago. What are you dialing in for OpEx impacts? Can you just remind us how to think about that as we go forward and the world continues to dance or shift? Thank you.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. I'll comment quickly, and then Brian obviously knows this like the back of his hand. With respect to OpEx, the one thing I would say is I think people are probably underestimating the efficiencies that we're driving in the organization right now.

There's a lot of moving parts here, but the operational efficiencies that we're delivering from our manufacturing team who's driving cost per units down on the products, and then the leverage that we're getting through the P&L that Brian talked about, right, in some of these areas like distribution is quite a bit more, I think, than people are thinking. We invested a lot of money for a couple of years there, and people saw that in terms of our investment activity and so forth. Those returns are now starting to work their way through the P&L. There's a lot of noise with FX, right, but it's operational efficiencies. I'll turn it over to Brian because he's a big part of that, and he's one of the guys who's driving that throughout our entire organization. He deserves credit. I should shut up and let him talk.

Brian Andrews (CFO and Treasurer)

Yeah.

I mean, I think Al, you said it pretty well. I mean, it's a lot of really hard work being demonstrated by our operational leaders around packaging, labeling, manufacturing, shipping. That's all across Vision, Surgical, working together, really grinding away, and making sure that we get the leverage from that prior investment activity. That's also true within OpEx. We all have to remain vigilant and disciplined during these uncertain times and making sure that we are thinking about and managing our expenses closely. When you've got a big FX move, as we've done, when we took down the revenue ranges at the midpoint for organic growth, the operational efficiencies in cost of goods and in OpEx really helped to offset all of that.

What you're left with is FX really being a big part of the EPS raise along with the Q2 beat and the impact of tariffs. That's how you get to the 10 cents.

Operator (participant)

Our next question is from Yong Lee from Jefferies. Please go ahead. All right.

Young Li (VP and Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks for taking the time. I guess to start, I wanted to hear a little bit about the private label business growth, if you can provide any comment on sort of the growth versus branded. And if you can sort of comment in general if there's any differences you're seeing between sort of the higher-priced products versus lower-priced products that the consumer seems to be a little bit general.

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. Two things on that. I'd say private label biz for us at Cooper Vision growing a little bit faster than our branded business. No real surprise there.

Kind of trends continuing. I think we probably will continue to see that activity based on what I'm seeing out there with contracts and sales and so forth. I think you'll see the private label business grow a little bit faster than the branded business. The high-priced, low-priced, if you will, that question, it's interesting. The high-priced products, when we talk about MyDay, torics, multifocals, and so forth, continue to outperform. They continue to do well. We haven't necessarily seen anyone moving to lower-priced products, but we've seen a shift in some of the purchasing behavior for some of those more expensive products. We'll see what happens with that. Is there ultimately a shift over to some of those where people say, "Hey, I want to make sure I want to wear my contact lenses every single day," and I shift over to Clarity or something?

I don't know. We'll see. As of right now, we're continuing to see pretty good demand and activity around the higher-priced products.

Young Li (VP and Equity Research Analyst)

All right. Great. Very helpful. I guess to follow up, once your competitors launched a weekly product, things like early is pretty good. Wondering how much you're seeing that market and your, I guess, interest in that type of modality. If you were to try to get something out that's similar, how long would that be?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. That's a market that's one that we don't really play in, which is kind of funny because it seems like we play in every market. That would be a segment of the market that we're not really in, which is the weekly/two-week market. That's Johnson & Johnson and Alcon that are out there playing in that market right now. That's not a market we're going to enter.

We're on the daily side of things, and we're on the monthly side of things. I'll leave it to those two guys to kind of battle out the winner of that space.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Chris Pasquale from Nephron. Please go ahead.

Chris Pasquale (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thanks. Al, one just on contact lens market, and then Brian, a follow-up for you on tariffs. On the market, Al, I think you used the word sound for contact lens pricing. The biggest difference between the last few years and the pre-COVID period, as far as we can tell, was that pricing has been above the historical trend. Is this downshift in market growth as simple as pricing trends returning to what we used to consider normal? You mentioned rumblings about a new round of price increases to come.

As you look at your own business, do you still see the same opportunities for price as what you had the last couple of years?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah, I do. I think that as an industry right now, and I'll speak for us in particular, as we look at inflationary pressures, I think we have the ability to pass along price increases that tie to inflation. Not above and beyond that, but inflationary pricing, I think all companies can pass along. We can pass that along. A retailer selling a product can pass that along. I don't see much in terms of pricing. Yeah, there's some rumblings out there from at least one competitor about a mid-year price increase tied to tariffs and so forth. We'll see how that stuff plays out. I do think that pricing right now in the market is solid.

I think future pricing is probably going to be a little bit higher than what it was pre-COVID. I think this is probably more a period of challenges around channel inventory, that type of thing, and purchasing and wearing behavior than it is anything to do with pricing.

Chris Pasquale (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. That's helpful.

Then, Brian, you talked about a 300 basis point headwind from tariffs next year, absent any mitigation efforts, if I heard you correctly. You guys seem to be perennially capacity constrained on manufacturing. What abilities does the company have to move things around if you need to get some of that production to different geographies to try and mitigate that impact?

Brian Andrews (CFO and Treasurer)

Chris, yeah, thanks for the question. There are a number of things that we could do. The first thing Al just talked about was considering additional price increases.

That's something that we don't have factored into our guidance for this year, but it's certainly something that we can consider that'll help offset. Beyond that, I mean, it comes down to how do we—what do we do with our supply chain flows? How do we manage inventory differently, and how do we adjust some of our manufacturing? We have the ability to do some of that, and we're evaluating some of those moves right now. It just seems like over the last 48 hours, we've heard different commentary about the impact of tariffs and what might happen and what's not happening as of a few hours ago. We are absolutely in the planning mode of what should we do, what's easier to do, what's harder to do.

There are a number of things that we can do to take action on, but we just want to make sure there is a little bit more clarity. That is why we are taking a bit of a wait-and-see approach before doing anything disruptive to our operations.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Jason Bettner from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Jason Bednar (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Al, I want to start on—sorry to belabor this point. The topic de jure on the CVI guide seems to be this channel inventory dynamic. I am having a hard time squaring that against the comment you made earlier that you posted your best month of the year in April. Where is the disconnect? Because you obviously did not see it in April. Does this have to do with what you think is happening to channel inventory for others, and you expect it to happen to your business?

Albert White III (CEO)

Or is this visibility that you have to inventory adjustments that you think are coming in the next few months?

Yeah. Jason, I say this like it feels like every quarter. I'm like, you just have to be so careful in this industry when you look at any month's performance because you talk about a big April. You saw the numbers. That would mean that February and March were softer months, right? Let's not read too much into any individual month because you have big shipments that go to key accounts and channel inventory swings that are going from one month to the next month that can impact any months or any individual quarter. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I still think at the end of the day, when you're a year in the future and you turn around and look back, right, you see big months and low months and so forth as shipments and so forth happen. Ultimately, what ended up happening for the year, that's where I get back to the 4-6% growth for the full year. That's where I get back to, at the end of the day, some channel inventory contraction that happens in the marketplace.

Jason Bednar (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. All right. Fair enough. On the pricing side, just a follow-up there on some prior questions. I mean, we've seen some of those pricing schedules from one of your peers. They do look like some large price increases. I guess I'm curious how you're thinking about your business in response or your pricing strategy in response.

Do you try to move forward in a similar fashion because you now have cover to take price as well, or are you going to take an approach of wait and see how the market responds to these tariff-related increases and then proceed as such?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. Right now, I'm not going to give any other color other than to say we're evaluating it. We'll see what's going on with the market, and we'll evaluate it. If it's appropriate to take price increases, we'll look to do that. If we decide not to, we won't. The team's working on that right now.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Brett Adam Fishbin from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Brett Fishbin (VP and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, guys. Good evening. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to ask if you could expand a little bit on what you're seeing around broader demand for torics and multifocals.

It seems like we got into a pretty steady cadence of double-digit growth from those categories for a pretty long time. Just noting, growth has come in a little bit, I think 7% this quarter, and a lot closer to growth of the overall CVI portfolio. Just wondering if there was any competitive dynamics to call out or anything else that might be driving that. Thank you.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. No, not too much. I mean, I remember when I saw those numbers coming through this quarter, I asked that same question, right? There is not too much to read into that. Now, torics and multifocals continue to do well. You definitely get some activity associated with dailies. Now that that marketplace has shifted more, it continues to shift more and more to dailies. You are getting some bigger swings in some of those kind of numbers.

No, the torics and multifocal markets continue to do well, and our products continue to do well there. That got a little bit more tied to some of the Biofinity shipments that were going out there for those products. I would not read too much into that.

Brett Fishbin (VP and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

All right. Very helpful. I'll just ask a really quick follow-up. I think last quarter, you mentioned that China was a decline year over year. I'm just curious if you're able to give any color on how China performed in CVI this quarter as well.Thank you.

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. Yeah. China was down quite a bit last quarter. It was essentially flat this quarter for us. Our MySight business was actually down a little bit. I mean, we had 35% growth in MySight on a global basis, with China being just a little bit negative.

Essentially a flat business in China for Q2.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Steve Lichtman from Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Steve Lichtman (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Thank you. Evening, guys. Al, I wanted to follow up on your comment on MySight. I think you mentioned price is not a headwind based on your analysis, but you are instituting the free trial program. What is driving you to start that program if price is not a factor?

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah, Steve, 100%. We did this work. We have done it for actually a decent period of time in a lot of different markets. Looking at the annual price of that and thinking, "Hey, that is the thing that is holding back greater adoption of this product." What we have really truly found out is it is not that. It is the of saying, "Hey, listen, I don't want to go down that journey and pay all this money upfront when I don't think that my chil initial pricing. It is the initial activity. You have to get the parents comfortable that their child can wear contact lenses.You have to get the child comfortable that they can put the contact lenses in and take the contact lenses out. The parents are kindd's going to be able to wear them or like to wear them or so forth." I'm hesitant to even get started in MySight because of that. Once you go to them and say, "Hey, here's three months free, go ahead and try this product," right? These are daily lenses. Here's three months free. Go ahead and try them, wear them, make sure that your kid can wear them, make sure that your kid is getting the treatment benefit that the eye care practitioner is saying they'll get.

Once you give them that and the kid goes through the process of figuring out how to put the lenses in and take them out, I mean, bam, they get the visual correction associated with the lenses. The kids love it and want to stay in them once they get comfortable with it. The parents go back and say, "Wow, this treatment is actually working. I really like the fact this treatment is working. I want to continue to offer that to my child." Once you get over that hump, then you're in. That's where the retainage rate's like 90%. So what we've really found is it's not that annual cost. It's the cost of the initial purchase activity. You have to hook them, if you will, into the value of contact lenses and into the value of the treatment. Probably not a shocker.

When you look at the massive success that you're seeing from spectacles outside of the U.S., right? When you see it in China and European markets and so forth, right? I mean, parents are very interested, and the hesitancy is tied to that initial cost. So that's what we're talking about with the free initial trial period.

Steve Lichtman (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Got it. Thanks, Al. And then just quickly on the fertility market commentary, you mentioned some capital purchasing delays given the macro. Was that a comment for any particular region, or are you seeing that globally? Any more color on that? Thanks.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yes. We're seeing that. For us, that would be greater in Europe and India. We're also seeing that some here in the Americas. It's prevalent in a number of locations right now. I don't think that's going away.

I think it's more somebody, a fertility clinic looking at stuff saying, "Hey, do I need some new workstations? Do I need some of that kind of activity?" Yes. I would like to upgrade. Do I have to upgrade today? No. I can delay this activity a little bit. It seems to be much more tied to that than anything else.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from David Saxon from Needham. Please go ahead.

David Saxon (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a follow-up on Steve's on the MySight. You talked about the promo activity during the third quarter. Can you quantify the impact of that that you're expecting? And then for the myopia management portfolio, including OrthoK, can you talk about the profitability of that portfolio? Is it profitable?

Longer term, at scale, how should we think about the margin profile relative to kind of core CVI margins?

Albert White III (CEO)

Sure. Yeah, I was talking about MySight, right? We're doing a lot of this activity. I guess I don't want to lead anyone down the wrong road. I mean, MySight in Q3 is still going to be a decent quarter. My guess is probably 25%-30% growth, something like that. We will see. My expectation is we're over 40% growth in Q4. If this goes the way I think it's going to go, solid quarter in Q3, maybe just a little bit lighter and good, strong Q4. OrthoK this quarter was roughly flat. When I look at those combined from a profitability perspective, gross margins are good on those. Kind of would fall in line with company-wide averages, if you will.

Operating margins, depending upon how you allocate costs, you could argue those are still lighter because we're still investing a lot of dollars. As you'll remember, we're integrating a lot of the sales activity into our regular commercial infrastructure to be able to sell the product more efficiently and get better coverage. I think that at the end of the day, long term, that is going to be a margin-accretive portfolio for us.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Patrick Wood from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Patrick Wood (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey. Amazing. Thanks. I'll keep it just to one to try and keep it time efficient. I don't mean to belabor the point, but the industry's taken probably cumulatively, I don't know, 10-15% gross pricing over the last couple of years.

Is it the mix of new fittings that's giving you confidence that you're not seeing any real beginnings of change in consumer behavior? Because I hear them destocking and holding less, and I think a lot of cumulative price increase. You can't help but worry a little bit on our end. Anything you can kind of speak to confidence around how they've absorbed that aggregate total pricing? I'd love to hear anything.

Albert White III (CEO)

Thanks. Yeah, Patrick. Something I didn't touch on that I probably should touch on here because I think it's a component of what's happening. That is some of the legacy products that are out there, legacy hydrogel products that are out there. That's still a decent portion of the market. There's still quite a bit of older legacy hydrogels that are out there that a lot in the industry are moving out of.

We're moving out of. Our traditional hydrogel sales declined pretty decent this quarter, right? They are masking our growth, if you will. I think you're seeing some of that impact in the marketplace. As you're seeing older traditional hydrogels continue to decline and people tighten up on what's out in the channel associated with those products as those products decline and go away because a lot of people are discontinuing those. I mean, we are. We had millions of dollars of discontinued sales this quarter from older products, right? As we continue as a company, as an industry, to shift away from some of these legacy hydrogel products, that puts pressure on channel inventory and puts pressure on our as-reported growth rates. You flip over to the other side because Patrick, I get your point a little bit of a head-scratcher here.

You say, "Okay, price is there. We're not seeing a pushback on price," which we're not. We're continuing to see good growth in these specialty lenses and these higher-priced lenses and so forth. We're getting good fitting activity. It's a little bit of how do I reconcile that? We shouldn't ignore the negative impact coming from some of these traditional hydrogel lenses because they are impacting industry growth. They're certainly impacting our growth because we're dealing with that. That's an important component. I probably should have said that earlier.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Nathan Thai from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Nathan TSUI (VP)

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Back on fertility, there's a fertility pharma company that reported a sluggish performance in China, but it's not revised down their global fertility guidance. I'm curious, what is Cooper's regional mix for fertility revenues?

Or maybe do you see a difference between fertility consumables and therapeutics? Thank you.

Albert White III (CEO)

Yeah. We do not have any fertility pharma products. So I would definitely split those two, right? When you look at a fertility treatment, the largest cost associated with that treatment is on the pharma side. And we just do not have those products. So when I am speaking about fertility growth, I am talking about consumables, genetic testing, donor activity, capital equipment, and so forth, but not pharma-based. I definitely would not automatically link any commentary or any pharma sales activity to our industry or our market, if you will.

Operator (participant)

There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Al White, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Albert White III (CEO)

Great. Thank you, everyone. Appreciate the time.

I know we had a lot to go through there, and hopefully, we were able to communicate all that clearly. Look forward to catching up with people during the quarter and certainly look forward to our next earnings call. Thank you. Thank you, operator.

Operator (participant)

This concludes the meeting. Let me now just.