Crexendo - Q2 2024
August 6, 2024
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Operator (participant)
Greetings, and welcome to the Crexendo Incorporated Second Quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode, and a question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during today's conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Jeff Korn, CEO of Crexendo Incorporated. Sir, you may begin.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Ollie, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Crexendo's Q2 2024 conference call. I'm, as Ollie just said, Jeff Korn, Chairman of the Board and CEO of Crexendo. On the call with me today are Doug Gaylor, our President and COO, Ron Vincent, our CFO, Jon Brinton, our CRO, and Anand Buch, our CSO. In a moment, Jon will read our Safe Harbor statement. After that, I will give some brief comments on our performance for Q2 and a discussion of what I see happening with the business. Ron will then provide more detail on the numbers before handing the call over to Doug to provide a business and sales update. After that, we will open the call up to questions. Jon, would you please read the Safe Harbor statement?
Jon Brinton (CRO)
Thank you, Jeff. I want to take this opportunity to remind listeners that this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a safe harbor for such forward-looking statements. All statements made in this conference call, other than statements of historical fact, are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, words like believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, will, and other similar statements of expectation identifying forward-looking statements. Investors should be aware that any forward-looking statements are based on assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here today.
These risk factors are explained in detail in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the Form 10-K for fiscal year ended December 31, 2023, and the Forms 10-Q as filed. Crexendo does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. I'd now like to turn the call back to Jeff. Jeff?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Jon. I'm thrilled to share the outstanding results and strategic direction that highlight our most successful quarter yet as a technology telecom company. Let's dive right into our highlights. This quarter, we exceeded both our internal expectations as well as those of our analysts. I won't step on Ron's thunder, but our revenue number of $14.7 million, up 16% year-over-year, and our net income up 220% year-over-year, is, in a word, remarkable. Crexendo maintained a streak of achieving GAAP profitability for the fourth consecutive quarter, which is only due to the hard work and dedication of everyone in the room with me, as well as the entire Crexendo team. I cannot tell you how lucky I consider myself to work every day with this tremendously talented team.
Everyone at Crexendo is focused on driving shareholder value, but also making sure we have the world's best technology for our wonderful licensees and our direct customers. It's been a remarkable period of growth and achievement, signaling a bright future ahead. However, our philosophy remains rooted in continuous improvement. While it might be tempting to rest on our laurels, we recognize that satisfaction can breed complacency, and we are committed to pushing the boundaries further. We have made significant strides in refining our teams and reporting structures. Through these enhancements in staffing, processes, and responsibilities, our organization is becoming more agile and effective. This ongoing endeavor is crucial as we adapt to the evolving market demands. A key factor in this quarter's success has been the increased efficiency of our customer support team.
We've seen improved installation and response time, and we remain committed to elevating our service levels even further. These enhancements directly contributed to our strong performance metrics this quarter. We work every day to improve our operations. We have done an excellent job of improving margins. Part of this is improvements in pricing and the mix of sales, particularly in the MSP market, and also de-emphasizing low-margin, high-labor transactions. We also work very diligently on our top-line revenue, and the results in both of those speak for themselves. On our technology front, our migration schedule from our legacy Classic Platform to the VIP Platform has been slower than anticipated, as we are taking extraordinary measures to assure a smooth migration, particularly with our larger accounts. We have customers that have custom requirements and rightfully demand precision.
While this has delayed some processes, ensuring these migrations are seamless is paramount for retaining such valuable customers. I think a reasonable timeline is that the migration should be completed during Q1 2025. However, there is no room for error, so completing it perfectly is the goal. We have invested heavily in Oracle Cloud Infrastructure for our next-generation hosted services and NetSuite for our internal accounting needs.... Make no mistake, these are long-term investments in our future. A more robust accounting system is necessary for our now almost completely integrated company and to integrate future acquisitions. Using OCI is important as it provides the most advanced hosting infrastructure in the industry and will improve turn-up times and deployment options for some of our larger customers and customers we are attempting to attract.
OCI will also allow us to focus on what we do best, and that's developing our technology and services rather than managing data centers. While these investments have a cost associated with them, without corresponding savings, they are necessary for our evolution and long-term profitability. We are fully intending to remain GAAP profitable even while making these investments in our long-term future. Our software solutions division is growing rapidly and should be poised for substantial growth. We are the third-largest platform provider in the United States, and we are well-positioned to capitalize on market opportunities, particularly as numbers one and two competitors, Cisco and Microsoft, deprecate certain services and phase out other services. However, we face stiff competition from other players.
It is essential for our long-term success to continue to invest in the platform, so that we can expand our services and be able to meet the needs of every customer, from the SMB market to the enterprise market. The future is really tremendously exciting, and we must capitalize on these substantial opportunities. Internationally, we continue to see significant potential, especially in Europe, where cloud communications are less prevalent. Our London office is gaining traction, and we anticipate strong growth in both Europe and the Pacific Rim. I am genuinely very pleased with our results of the European operations and the strong pipeline of opportunities that we have there. On the acquisition front, we remain cautious about high multiples driven by private equity, but are constantly looking for strategic opportunities that align with our financial strategies and shareholder expectations.
We will only do deals that make strategic sense and can be quickly accretive. In conclusion, our future looks incredibly promising. I am more optimistic than ever about our prospects. With continued focus on strategic execution, we are poised to further enhance our market position and shareholder value. Thank you for your ongoing commitment and support. We look forward to continual growth and achievements, and with that, I'll now turn the call over to Ron for more details on the financial numbers. Ron?
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Thank you, Jeff. Good afternoon, everyone. As Jeff mentioned, we had a wonderful quarter, with total revenue for the quarter up 16% to $14.7 million, compared to $12.7 million for the second quarter of the prior year. Our service revenue increased 10% to $8.1 million, compared to $7.3 million in the second quarter of the prior year. Software solutions revenue for the quarter increased 35% to $5.3 million, compared to $3.9 million for the second quarter of the prior year. Our product revenue decreased 10% to $1.3 million, compared to $1.4 million for the second quarter of the prior year, as we continue to focus on higher gross margin product offerings. Consolidated gross margins for the quarter were 63%.
That's compared to 58% for the second quarter of the prior year. Our software solutions gross margins for the quarter were 73%. That's compared to 67% for the second quarter of the prior year. Our telecom service segment gross margins for the quarter were 58%. That's compared to 55% in the second quarter of the prior year. That's driven by service revenue gross margins of 60%. That's up from 58% in the second quarter of the prior year, and our product, product margins increased to 46% from 38% in the second quarter of the prior year. Operating expenses increased 7% to $14.1 million, compared to $13.2 million for the second quarter of the prior year.
To put this into perspective, we have added 12.5 FTEs and 10 outsourced resources compared to the second quarter of the prior year. So as we continue to invest in our product and our services, net income of $588,000 for the quarter. That's $0.02 per basic and diluted common share, compared to a net loss of $544,000 and $0.02 loss per basic and diluted common share for the second quarter of the prior year. Non-GAAP net income was $2.1 million for the quarter. That's $0.08 per basic and $0.07 per diluted common share, compared to a non-GAAP net income of $1.1 million, or $0.04 per basic and diluted common share for the second quarter of the prior year. Our EBITDA for the quarter was $1.4 million.
That's compared to $383,000 for the second quarter of the prior year. And our Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $2.2 million. That's compared to $1.2 million for the second quarter of the prior year. Our cash balance at June 30th was $13.6 million. That's compared to $10.3 million at December 31st, 2023. Cash provided by operating activities for the six-month period of $2.5 million, compared to cash used for operating activities of $673,000 in the prior year. Cash used for investing activities for the six-month period was $0, and for the period, compared to $92,000 for the same period as the prior year....
Cash provided by financing activities was $778,000, compared to cash used for investing activities of $486,000 for the same period of the prior year. I will now turn it over to Doug Gaylor, our President and COO, for additional comments on sales and operations.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Thanks, Ron. Q2 was a great quarter for Crexendo, and I'm very pleased with our results for the quarter and for the first half of 2024. Our organic growth rate of 16% year-over-year in Q2, and 15% organic growth for the first half of the year, along with our fourth consecutive GAAP profitable quarter, were the direct result of our focus on growing the top line organically and managing the fundamentals of the business. Our strong GAAP net income of $588,000 for the quarter, or $0.02 a share, and our non-GAAP net income of $2.1 million for the quarter, or $0.08 a share, highlight that we are executing on our business plans extremely well.
This is our 23rd consecutive quarter with non-GAAP net income, and our results for the quarter continue to highlight our improvements in our processes, our procedures, and sales, as well as our success in managing costs and maximizing synergies from all of our business segments. These strong results also contributed to our strong positive cash flow for the quarter, with our cash position increased 223% year-over-year and 23% from the prior quarter. We continue to see significant organic growth in both segments of our business for the quarter. What is particularly exciting is that our software solutions segment achieved 35% organic growth, which propelled us to a combined 16% organic growth rate for the quarter, providing a solid indication that the continued strong demand for our products and services continues.
The 35% organic growth rate in our software solutions segment has us closing in on the 5 million user mark on our platform that I anticipate we should eclipse this quarter. The rapid growth we are experiencing on our platform is a combination of our existing licensees' continued success, together with strong new logos coming on board as they leave our largest two competitors, Cisco and Microsoft. Microsoft recently announced end of life of their Metaswitch MaX UC platform, and has signaled a retreat from their platform business with recent cuts in their Metaswitch division, fueling many opportunities for Crexendo. Our Crexendo licensees and agents continue to benefit from the rapid migration by small and mid-size and enterprise-level businesses to the cloud, and as our licensees continue to grow, they need additional services and increase their spend with Crexendo.
As Jeff previously mentioned, we continue to see strong demand for our software solutions internationally as well, and added two more new logos out of our U.K. office during the quarter. Our telecom services segment, including product revenue, grew at 7% organically for the quarter. We've made a conscious effort to focus less on low-margin product revenue, and thus our services portion for the segment reached double-digit growth at 10%, offset by the decline in product revenue growth. We continue to see strong demand for our offerings from our channel partners, and saw a 14% growth rate in sales for the quarter from our channel resellers, highlighted by a 41% growth in sales from our telecom service brokers, also known as master agents, and those numbers are up significantly compared to Q2 of 2023.
Our channel partners sell our services to their prospects and customers on a revenue share basis, and we continue to see nice growth from our existing channel partners. Our channel partners have strong relationships with us and have strong confidence in our solutions because of our 100% uptime guarantee and our best-in-class customer service and customer satisfaction results that continues to lead all of our competitors as the highest-ranked VoIP provider in the industry on review sites like G2. Our largest independent channel partner saw a 41% increase in sales year-over-year, and that's again, due to our successful partnerships enhancing their customer offerings. Our backlog continues to grow and is now at $71.16 million, an increase of 39% from Q2 of 2023, which is a strong indicator of our future success.
As a reminder, our backlog number is the sum of the remaining contract values for our telecom services and our software solutions customers that will be recognized on a sliding scale over the next 60 months. Our gross margins remained strong in our software solutions segment at 73%, and our telecom service gross margins remained steady from Q1 at 58%. Telecom services gross margins continue to be affected by lower margins from our Allegiant Networks acquisition that has lower margins on their MSP services. And as we have already mentioned, we're working on increasing those margins by being more selective on product sales there. We continue to enhance our offerings with software updates and additions to our platform that continues to expand our product offerings.
We recently released new AI offerings that allow customers to automatically create marketing on hold messages, auto attendant greetings, et cetera, using artificial intelligence or AI, replacing the need for expensive third-party services to perform the same functions. Our enhanced API 2.0 integration applications allow for more artificial intelligence applications to be developed and deployed on our platform. We have hundreds of third-party developers building solutions to integrate on our platform, and we are on the leading edge in regards to delivering AI solutions that everyday end users can use on a daily basis, and they can implement those immediately. As we have mentioned previously, our past acquisitions have been remarkably successful, and we are proactively looking for our next synergistic acquisition to complement our organic growth. We're optimistic that our efforts will result in significant and organic growth opportunities in the future.
...The first half of 2024 has been really strong for us, and we continue to see a lot of momentum and demand for our products and services. We continue to execute well on our business plans for organic growth, increasing our margins, positive cash flow, and managing expenses. Our rapid end user growth highlights that there is still great opportunity for our growth, and I'm very excited about our direction and the ability to continue to deliver the best solution for our customers and the best returns for our shareholders. I'll now turn it back over to Jeff for any further comments.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Doug. Ollie, I don't have any further comments. Let's open the call up to questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Mike Latimore with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Mike, how are you?
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, thanks a lot. Good evening. Congrats on the great results here. Cash flow from operations look great, and organic growth is excellent. So congrats on that. I guess I, I had a question around your software business. You know, the growth rates accelerated from, looks like 21%-25%-35%, you know, over the last few quarters. I guess, can you frame that a little bit more? You know, what are you seeing from, you know, new versus existing, you know, selling software versus subscription within there, maybe some actions your own licensees are taking on their part and pricing? Just a little more kind of context would be great, 'cause that's a pretty big acceleration.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Mike, I'm gonna give that to Jon and Anand to answer. We'll start with Jon.
Jon Brinton (CRO)
Yeah. Hi, Mike, how you doing today?
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Um, good.
Jon Brinton (CRO)
I'll tell you that... Good. Good. We are seeing continued growth and success in a couple areas. I mean, one, you know, when we talk about the compounding of the user growth, I think you really understand. We're partnered with some great entrepreneurial companies and larger carriers that are driving at a great growth rate. They continue to excel, leveraging our software, and that leads them to purchase upgrades and things like that from us in the future, and we've had a healthy funnel within that area. We are seeing an influx in interest, as Doug indicated from, and Jeff indicated from both the Cisco BroadWorks partners and Microsoft Metaswitch partners and others who have bases that they're concerned about the long-term future for them.
So they are looking at moving to our platform, and we're getting some traction with those type of partners. And, you know, we've just continue to grow also in our ecosystem and the additional services that we can sell to our partners as well. So, you know, across that area, just generally across that business now, there is a bit of lumpiness to that, so I wouldn't, you know, like, build that into the model necessarily for 35% software solutions growth, but we do believe we're gonna continue to have strong, double digit growth in that part of the business. And I don't know, Anand, if you have anything you want to add to that?
Anand Buch (Chief Strategy Officer)
Ron had a look of relief on his face when he told you not to build that into your model.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think Jon nailed it pretty well. I think, just to emphasize the other area, yeah, I think the, you know, the idea is to, and we've spoken about this before, too, Mike, is to kind of get a little bit more predictable with the shift from perpetual to licensing. It's a little lumpy like what John said, but we're also seeing quite a bit of growth in the ecosystem revenue that comes from all of the other services that we add on top of the platform. So, it is a, it, it's a bit across the board, and, like Jeff said, I sighed a little bit of relief not to build that 35% into your model.
Jon Brinton (CRO)
We do, we do-
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah.
Jon Brinton (CRO)
Just as a follow on, we do provide the breakdown on point in time versus recurring revenue in the queue, and if you look at that, you do see that the recurring has continued to build consistently quarter-over-quarter, and we're very pleased about that.
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
That's great. Okay, excellent. And the gross margin on the software business remained very healthy. Is that something that is fairly consistent going forward here, sustainable or will that move around a little bit?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
The short answer is yes, but I'll let Ron give you more detail.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Yes, uh-
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Mike, as we focus on gross margin, we've been able to leverage our existing staff. And, as I mentioned in my comment, you know, in compared to the Q2 of the prior year, between consultants that we use, third-party resources for customer service and engineering-related work, as well as the addition of 12.5 FTEs, we've continued to invest in our team to leverage that team for this growth that we have been experiencing recently. So, but there is a very high margin business. It's, you know, software is typically anywhere between 75%-80% margins, and so coming in at 73% margin, we're starting to see that increase.
Quarters ago, we were lagging, and we were in the low 60s, and now we're up to 73% margin. We think we can continue to improve on that.
Mike Latimore (MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. Excellent. Okay, congrats again. Best of luck this year.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Thanks, Mike.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Mike.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Josh Nichols with B. Riley. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Josh, how are you doing?
Josh Nichols (Senior Research Analyst)
Yeah, doing great, and like I said, great to see such a strong report from top to bottom. One thing I just wanted to touch on, just 'cause this is, like, the biggest sequential increase I've seen in backlog for a while going, I think, did you say 71, about $2 million? Is that correct?
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Yeah, 71, yeah, $71.15 million, so.
Josh Nichols (Senior Research Analyst)
Ah, who's counting? But,
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
We are.
Josh Nichols (Senior Research Analyst)
There. Yeah. I'm kind of curious, like, what's driving such a rapid acceleration in the backlog growth, and if you could provide some context into that or the services that are building into that, that'd be great.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Yeah. Obviously, as you know, the backlog number consists of all of our contractual obligations, and most of our customers are on 36- or 60-month agreements. So as we continue to have strong sales, those numbers go into our backlog immediately. So that number just continues to compound because of the strong sales that we've got, both on the software solution segment and the telecom services segment. That number, you know, as we continue to grow that number, I think I said it was up 39%, year-over-year. You know, that's great growth, and that's because strong sales on both segments continue to add to that backlog number.
Josh Nichols (Senior Research Analyst)
Mm-hmm. And then just curious, I appreciate the context about the software piece, healthy double-digit growth. I understand it's a little bit lumpy and the queue's not out yet, I think, but what's the breakdown in terms of recurring versus point in time for that? Just trying to build in expectations for the future.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Yeah. So on the software solution side, 74% is recurring revenue, and versus our one time.
Josh Nichols (Senior Research Analyst)
Appreciate it. Thank you, guys.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Thank you.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thanks, Josh.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ryan Koontz with Needham & Company. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Ryan. How are you?
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
Hey, I'm great. Quick clarification, if I could. You, I didn't hear your response to Mike's question about your growth in software solutions, if you saw more of that coming from customer expansions or new customer wins?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
It's actually both, but Ron can give you more detail on that.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Yeah. During the quarter, we had four new logos that were added to our partner, and we had eight upgrade orders.
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
Nice. And on the step up in gross margins, can you remind me kind of where you are in your migration over to Oracle there? You know, what percentage is done, and it sounded like there's some further opportunity to see some gross margin lift on the solution side.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Ryan, it's a very small number at this point, 'cause we just started the integration with Oracle. We're putting a few new customers on it to make sure we understand their platform and we can do it seamlessly. You really won't see much of a migration until Q1 or Q2 of next year.
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
I see. Got it. And what's the competitive environment like there? Obviously, it's tilting very much in your favor with your success, I'm guessing. And yeah, how big is that Metaswitch install base that you can go after, do you estimate?
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Fairly large. We think that there's probably 500 or so licensees out there on the Metaswitch platform. You know, when Microsoft bought them four years ago, they spent about $270 million on acquiring Metaswitch, so it's a fairly decent-sized organization. And, you know, Microsoft's announcement of retreating out of the telecom platform space just creates opportunity for us, so we're excited about it. I think we brought on, in the last six or nine months, quite a few Metaswitch licensees that have migrated over to the Crexendo platform. So we're extremely excited about, you know, their removal from that part of the business and the opportunities it's gonna create for us.
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. Thanks. And can you remind me how much kind of technology and R&D synergy there is between the the software solutions side and your subscription VoIP side? Is it- it's all built on the same base, or are you still kind of pulling together? What's that roadmap look like between the two sides of the business?
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Yeah, it's all on the same, the NetSapiens Platform, that is our platform, software platform solution, is also branded as our VIP Platform for our direct end user business. And we've, we've got 90% of our customers that are on the VIP Platform today. We still have some of our Classic Platform customers on our older platform that we're migrating over to the VIP Platform, and we anticipate, as Jeff mentioned earlier, all of that migration to be complete by the end of Q1. So when we look at that, you know, we're just getting our, our last customers off of our Classic Platform and giving them the nice upgrade to the VIP Platform, which gives them enhanced capabilities, enhanced features for the same price.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
And the synergies between the two is not an unimportant thing that you mentioned. One of the things we liked when we acquired NetSapiens was the fact that all of a sudden, our retail engineers would be working hand in hand with the wholesale engineers, who really understand what drives market needs. So it's been a very synergistic opportunity. We eat our own dog food. All of the Crexendo customers are going to be on the same platform, and that's why we work every day to make sure the platform is second to none.
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
Perfect. Just one last housekeeping one. I kind of read between the lines in terms of your expanded backlog. Sounds like maybe your new contracts are kind of increasing in duration. Are you doing a little more five year deals than 3s than you were previously, maybe?
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
... Yeah, most of our software solutions licensees are on three year agreements, but the churn on that is almost negligible. So, very little churn on the licensee platform side of the house. On the direct end user customers, on the retail customers, probably the higher majority of those customers are on 60-month contracts. That's where they get the best pricing terms with us. Secondarily to that would be 36-month contracts.
Ryan Koontz (Senior Managing Director Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Thanks for all that. It's really helpful. I'll jump off.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Thanks, Ryan.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Mark Hagen with Lake Street Capital. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Mark, how are you doing today?
Mark Hagen (MD)
Hey, great. Thank you for taking my questions. I was just wondering if you could put any color around the legacy Phoenix Data Center and kind of where that's at. My understanding was it was going away and with the OCI investments.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
As well, it's a two-step process, or it may morph to a one step, but we're moving everybody off of our Classic Platform onto our VIP Platform, which is on our hosted one, which will be morphed over to hosted two. But as we said, by the end of Q1, we do not expect to be running a separate legacy platform.
Mark Hagen (MD)
Perfect. Thank you. I thought I'd gotten the answer a little earlier, but I just wanna make sure. Thanks for my question.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
No problem.
Mark Hagen (MD)
Thanks.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
You're welcome. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Chris Sakai with Singular Research. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hello, hello, Chris. Good afternoon.
Chris Sakai (Director of Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yes. Hi, good afternoon. Just wanted to just get an idea about, you know, you've got software solutions, revenue growth, and, and margin growth. You know, what sort of... How can we—what should we be expecting in the next quarters as far as that's concerned?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
We expect continual, continual gross growth, Chris, as Anand and Jon explained previously. We're not gonna commit to 35% growth, but all trends look for continual strong growth in that market. I don't, I don't have a number for you, but, but it'll be less than 35, but it'll be a, it'll be a damn good number.
Chris Sakai (Director of Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Do you foresee one day that software solutions would outpace telecom services?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Absolutely.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Yeah. If you look at the growth rate that we're seeing now, software solutions is growing at, you know, three times the rate of our retail division. So there's just a lot of pent-up demand for service providers looking for a platform. So we see that, that segment of the business continuing to grow. And so right now it's, you know, close to 40% of the total revenue stream. You know, within a year or two, it, it could be the majority.
Chris Sakai (Director of Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Interesting. And, how is expansion in Australia going?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
It's... I'll let Anand answer that. It's going, you know, it's a harder market for us, but we're making some great inroads.
Anand Buch (Chief Strategy Officer)
Yeah, I mean, I think, as Jeff spoke to our U.K. operation actually handles our international operation. We've actually added another resource on the street, even in Australia, because we continue to see some of our existing partners grow. We've had a handful of partners that were there, and then a handful of the logos that Ron referred to as well do come from that region. There's a lot of interesting change. Any of these international markets have consumed the product ever so slightly differently, so we have to keep an eye on that. But at the core, it's still the same core platform, the core licensing and whatnot.
And then, as Jeff mentioned as well, some of these larger service providers we're also operating in those regions or larger platform providers, specifically folks like Cisco and BroadSoft, and we're seeing quite a bit of interest there. You've probably read some of the partners that have actually moved over from BroadSoft. We continue to see good progress in those areas.
Chris Sakai (Director of Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, great. Thanks.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Chris.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Igor Tishin with Freedom Finance. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Igor.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Good afternoon.
Igor Tishin (Equity Research Analyst)
Hi, and thanks. Just wanted to ask about your future plans. Maybe giving a strong performance for the first half of the year, maybe you can give us some guidance about your full year guidance. Obviously, you mentioned-
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
I'm sorry, Igor.
Igor Tishin (Equity Research Analyst)
Double dig-
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
I'm sorry, Igor, you were breaking up. Apparently, you don't have a Crexendo telephone. If you could repeat the question, we would appreciate it.
Igor Tishin (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, thank you. So I was talking about your full year guidance. Previously, you mentioned that you would expect double digit organic revenue growth. Maybe something changed?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Nothing has changed, except I expect it'll be, you know, more than the low double digits, more than 10%. You know, we're not ready to give specific guidance, but nothing has changed in our expectation of double-digit or better growth.
Igor Tishin (Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, got it. And also wanted to ask a little bit more details about your Oracle partnership. Maybe you can give some numbers on magnitude of cost benefits do you expect?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Well, as I indicated before, we're testing and learning the process. We expect to move over the course of next year all of our hosted customers over to the OCI platform, so that we no longer have to maintain any data centers, which will be a huge cost savings for us. And as I said, it has ancillary benefits as it increases our response time and increases the amount of time in which we can set up the connection. So it'll be a win-win, but over the course of next year, we expect to be closing all the data centers and moving everything over to OCI.
Igor Tishin (Equity Research Analyst)
... Okay, thank you. I'm out of questions.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, sir.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Thanks, Igor.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Once again, if you have any questions, please press star one on your phone at this time. Our next question is coming from Sam McColgan with Breakout Investors. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, yeah.
Sam McColgan (Research Analyst)
Thanks, guys.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hi, Sam. How are you?
Sam McColgan (Research Analyst)
Brilliant quarter. Yeah, yeah. Very good. Very good. Thank you. Yeah, brilliant quarter. You guys are really killing it. Great improvement, you know, revenue, gross margins, everything. Lovely to see OpEx coming down, great cash flows, balance sheet. You know, you're killing on all cylinders, I think. Just one question from me, on top of everything else we got asked, which is, when you're looking at your backlog, I was just curious in terms of how it breaks down in terms of kind of domestic versus international, if you can give any color there?
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
I'm not sure we have that handy, but I'll let Ron answer that.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Yeah. Currently, we disclose our backlog by segment. We don't have a backlog disclosure by U.S. versus international. I'll consider adding that to future reporting.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
As I mentioned prior, Sam, international has become beginning to become a material part of our business, which will trigger certain reporting requirements. So, that one, not necessarily, but it is something that we will track, and we should be able to start answering for you.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
To just give you a little color on that, Sam, so at the halfway part of this year, we currently have $20,245,000 in backlog remaining for this year, for 2024. For 2025, we already have $24 million in backlogs queued up for revenue for 2025, and then that number is $15,172,000 for 2026, $8,589,000 for 2027, and a little bit over $3 million for 2028. So you can see how that backlog is critical for our future success, you know, 2025 already having $24 million in revenue queued up for it.
Sam McColgan (Research Analyst)
Yeah, those are, those are brilliant numbers for the backlog. And, and thanks for sharing, and I look forward to hearing the breakdown maybe in the future. Yeah, thanks again, guys. Well done.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you, Sam.
Sam McColgan (Research Analyst)
That's all from me.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Michael Kaufman with MK Investments. Your line is live.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Hello. Hello, Michael. How are you this afternoon?
Michael Kaufman (Research Analyst)
How are you doing, Jeff, and
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
I am doing great, thank you.
Michael Kaufman (Research Analyst)
Doug and Ron. I wanna really thank the team for an incredibly balanced attack on the business opportunity. And all of the metrics, as people have said before, seem to be perfectly aligned and running in the right direction. And two areas of interest. This is the best-kept secret in Wall Street, I think, in terms of the opportunity and how perfectly you're attacking it. And I'm wondering what you might be doing in terms of generating more outside exposure for the company in terms of investors?
And the other thing is that you were talking about some possible small tuck-in acquisitions now that really small companies in this financial environment really don't see an exit strategy, and there might be an opportunity, not the companies that think they're worth the moon, but really small companies where strategically, either in the geography or somewhere else, makes sense to just tack on.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
All right, Mike. First, let me thank you for the compliments to both me and the team. It is much appreciated. Secondarily, let me go with your last question regarding acquisitions. Even small tuck-in, as I mentioned in my comments, private equity at the moment is paying multiples that are just not supported by Wall Street standards in our field. So that's making it difficult. Now, private equity does not have much of an interest in some of our smaller licensees in the $2-5 million range, so you would think that would make it a better multiple. But at the moment, even the small licensees are looking at what the larger licensees are being paid, and they have that multiple in their head.
Eventually, all acquisitions in Wall Street become rational, and we believe the market will come back to us, and people will understand what a rational multiple is. We also have the advantage of, for somebody who wants to sell, we can make a portion of the purchase price in stock, and they can ride with us in the future and to the acceleration we expect. But we're keeping our eyes open, and if we see the right tuck-in acquisition, we will grab it, but we are not going to do an acquisition for the sake of an acquisition or get anything that is not going to be accretive or enhance our numbers or enhance our business.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
On the other part of the question-
Michael Kaufman (Research Analyst)
I applaud your strategy.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
And on the other part of the question, Mike, on getting our message out there, we continue to do investment conference after investment conference. We've got, you know, summertime, there's not as many investor conferences going on, but they're starting to get queued up over the course of the next two months. You'll see us up in New York City quite a few times with different investor conferences telling our story to investors. And then over the course of the next couple of days, we've got quite a few virtual meetings lined up with, you know, a lot of retail sites that have picked up on Crexendo's story and are trying to get it out there to the masses.
So the more times we continue to tell the story, the more people will pick up on the fact that we are a diamond in the rough and appreciate you acknowledging that.
Michael Kaufman (Research Analyst)
Best of luck. I'm sure you'll do a great job, and so far, You've exceeded all my expectations.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
Well, if only I could get somebody to tell me that at home. But, thank you, Michael.
Michael Kaufman (Research Analyst)
Good luck, guys.
Doug Gaylor (President and COO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. As we have no further questions in the queue at this time, I will hand it back to Mr. Korn for any closing comments.
Jeff Korn (Chairman and CEO)
I again want to thank everybody for joining us and for the questions and for your support. I again want to thank the team with me here in the room and the team in all of our offices who are working every day, to make sure these results continue and that we make all of our investors and customers proud. So we'll look forward to talking to you about our Q3 results, and have a great afternoon.
Ron Vincent (CFO)
Thanks, everybody. Bye-bye.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. This concludes today's call.