DuPont de Nemours, Inc. (DD) Q4 2024 Earnings Summary
Executive Summary
- Q4 delivered solid top-line and margin expansion: net sales $3.092B (+7% YoY), operating EBITDA $0.807B (+13% YoY), and adjusted EPS $1.13 (+30% YoY), driven by Electronics strength and a return to growth in Water & Protection; GAAP EPS was $(0.17) due to significant items (notably interest rate swap MTM) .
- FY25 guidance embeds mid‑single digit organic growth: Q1’25E net sales ~$3.025B, operating EBITDA ~$0.760B, adj. EPS ~$0.95; FY25E net sales $12.8–$12.9B, operating EBITDA $3.325–$3.375B, adj. EPS $4.30–$4.40; EPS assumes
1% higher tax rate vs 2024 ($0.10 headwind) . - Strategic catalysts: Electronics spin targeted for Nov 1, 2025; Water retained; segment reporting realignment begins Q1’25; dividend raised 8% to $0.41 per share (payable Mar 17, 2025) .
- Street vs. results: S&P Global consensus estimates were unavailable at time of analysis; however, management noted Q4 exceeded its own November guidance on sales, EBITDA, and EPS—a positive narrative catalyst into 2025 .
What Went Well and What Went Wrong
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What Went Well
- Electronics momentum: E&I organic +10% YoY; Semi up low‑teens (AI adoption, China); Interconnect up low‑double digits; E&I operating EBITDA margin expanded 250 bps to 30.3% .
- Water & Protection recovery: Organic +6% YoY with Water up low‑double digits; Safety Solutions (medical packaging) up high‑single digits; W&P margin +170 bps to 26.3% .
- Actionable quote: “continued strength in electronics end-markets and a return to year-over-year top-line growth in Water & Protection” — CEO Lori Koch .
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What Went Wrong
- GAAP loss in Q4: $(61)M GAAP loss (EPS $(0.17)) largely from significant items, including a non‑cash interest rate swap MTM loss ($290M pretax) .
- Corporate & Other softness: Organic sales declined 7% YoY in Q4; operating EBITDA negative $7M .
- Price headwinds: Q4 organic sales +7% was volume‑led (+8%) with a 1% price decline; management also flagged a ~1% price headwind for 2025 .
Financial Results
Consolidated results vs prior quarter and prior year
Segment performance (Q4)
KPIs (Q4 2024 YoY)
Notes: Significant items in Q4 included a $290M pretax interest rate swap MTM loss (EPS impact $(0.53)), $117M separation costs, and tax items (EPS $(0.24)) .
Guidance Changes
Additional outlook: Expect 6–7% sequential sales lift into Q2’25 from Q1 seasonality; post‑spin DuPont (IndustrialsCo) to report Water as a distinct segment; reporting realignment starts Q1’25; Electronics separation targeted Nov 1, 2025 .
Earnings Call Themes & Trends
Management Commentary
- Strategy and execution: “Our team’s ongoing focus on operational execution and cost discipline throughout 2024 delivered 100 basis points of margin expansion with 17% adjusted EPS growth for the full year” — CEO Lori Koch .
- Guidance detail: “We estimate first quarter 2025 net sales of about $3.025 billion... operating EBITDA of about $760 million and adjusted EPS of approximately $0.95 per share” — CFO Antonella Franzen .
- Spin timing and structure: “Targeting November 1, 2025, for the completion of the intended separation of the Electronics business... Water will remain in the DuPont portfolio” .
- Commercial focus: “We recently hired a Chief Commercial Officer to drive consistent execution across all of our businesses” — CEO (role to remain with IndustrialsCo) .
Q&A Highlights
- AI revenue sizing: AI‑related sales >$300M in 2024, ~30% growth; management expects AI to remain a key growth driver for ElectronicsCo .
- 2025 incrementals and pricing: 2025 incrementals modeled mid‑40s; ~1% price headwind offset by absorption and inflation dynamics (net neutral to margins) .
- Water outlook: 2025 organic growth mid‑ to high‑single digits; long‑term potential from DLE and PFAS opportunities .
- Semi demand cadence: Q4 included ~$20M prebuy tied to new fab start‑ups; Semi China grew ~40% in 2024 and is expected to be flat in 2025 as growth normalizes .
- Separation costs/dissynergies: Total separation cash costs now “a little less” than ~$700M; dissynergies trimmed to ~$40M; stranded costs expected to be immaterial .
- Capital returns: No further buybacks until completion of the separation given cash needs for the transaction .
- Classification: Targeting multi‑industrial reclassification post‑spin; margin/volatility profile aligns with multi‑industrial peers .
Estimates Context
- S&P Global consensus estimates for Q4 2024 (EPS, revenue, EBITDA) were unavailable at the time of analysis due to data access limits. As a proxy, management cited that Q4 exceeded its own November guidance on sales, EBITDA, and EPS, indicating positive surprise versus company expectations .
- Implications: Given stronger‑than‑guided Electronics, accelerating Water/Healthcare, and initial FY25 guide above FY24 actuals, Street models may need upward revisions for segment growth, operating leverage, and cash conversion, while incorporating ~1% pricing headwind and a ~1ppt higher tax rate in 2025 .
Key Takeaways for Investors
- Electronics remains the growth engine, with AI and advanced node transitions expanding mix and margins; E&I margin hit 30.3% (+250 bps YoY) in Q4 .
- Water inflected to growth with sequential momentum; 2025 outlook mid‑ to high‑single digit organic growth supports IndustrialsCo thesis .
- FY25 guide implies continued margin resilience despite pricing headwinds, aided by absorption, OpEx discipline, and tax headwind transparency (~$0.10 EPS) .
- Spin timeline and reporting realignment are near‑term catalysts; clarity on ElectronicsCo/IndustrialsCo governance and capital structures expected in 2025 .
- Balance sheet/cash: Q4 transaction‑adjusted FCF $0.455B (96% conversion); FY24 transaction‑adjusted FCF $1.806B (105% conversion) positions DD to fund separation costs while maintaining dividend (raised 8%) .
- Watch Semi China normalization (flat in 2025) and any fade of prebuy tailwinds; net impact appears manageable with broader AI and Interconnect ramps .
- Near‑term trading setup: Seasonally softer Q1 followed by 6–7% sequential lift into Q2; momentum in Electronics/Water and the spin path likely to drive narrative and estimate revisions through 2025 .