New Oriental Education & Technology Group - Earnings Call - Q1 2017
October 25, 2016
Transcript
Speaker 0
Good evening, and thank you for standing by for New Oriental's First Fiscal Quarter twenty seventeen Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After management's prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objection, you may disconnect at this time.
I would now like to turn the meeting over to your host for today's conference, Ms. Sisi Zhao. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker 1
Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to New Oriental's first fiscal quarter twenty seventeen earnings conference call. Our financial results for the period were released earlier today and are available on the company's website as well as on newswire services. Today, you will hear from Stephen Yang, Chief Financial Officer. After his prepared remarks, Stephen will be available to answer your questions.
Before we continue, please note that the discussion today will contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of The U. S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, our results may be materially different from the view expressed today.
A number of potential risks and uncertainties are outlined in our public filings with the SEC. New Oriental does not undertake any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required under applicable law. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. In addition, a webcast of this conference call will be available on New Oriental's Investor Relations website at investor.neworiental.org. I will now turn the call over to Mr.
Stephen Yang. Please go ahead, Stephen.
Speaker 2
Thank you, Sisi. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call. We are off to a great start for fiscal year twenty seventeen. More specifically, we had very strong top line growth and exceeded our original guidance for the first quarter. Net revenues increased by 16.5% year over year to $534,100,000 The growth was bolstered by the improvements in customer acquisition and retention rates and largely driven by healthy 31.2% increase in student enrollments.
It's worth noting that net revenues increased by 23.7% year over year in our functional currency RMB. You have likely heard us mention previously that the first quarter is traditionally our biggest quarter, although with a lower year over year growth rate. Even given that historical trend, our performance was really quite strong in many areas compared to the prior year. For instance, we're pleased to see the continued good momentum in our key revenue driver, the K-twelve all subjects after school tutoring business. It delivered a strong revenue growth of about 28% in U.
S. Dollar terms or 36% in RMB terms year over year in the first quarter, driven by exceptionally high enrollment growth of about 46% year over year. This is mainly led by the significant student enrollment growth of both U Can business and the revamped POP Kids program with 4449%. As we remain focused on our wide program optimized market strategy, we continue to focus on expansion of our offline business while also investing in also two way interactive education system, which we believe is and will continue to be a key differentiator to set us apart from competitors and help us further penetrate the market. During the first quarter, we opened a new school and added a net of 22 learning centers in the existing cities.
In total, we added approximately 49,000 square meters of classroom area, expanding capacity by 4%. In addition, we started to pilot new teaching model, mainly the dual teacher classes in selected existing and new cities in July 2016. By utilizing online live broadcasting technology, our high quality teachers based in high tier cities can reach students in low tier markets with on-site support from teaching assistants sitting in the remote classrooms with the students. We plan to implement the dual teacher class model in around 10 out of fifteen five existing cities in our nationwide school network. We expect to enter eight We expect to enter five to eight new cities specifically in low tier markets by opening new teacher model learning centers in fiscal year twenty seventeen.
To complement this offline expansion, we continue to roll out sophisticated O2O integrated education system, including new POP Kids program and U Can Visible Progress teaching system in all existing cities. We firmly believe that the strategic investments we made will propel our future growth. Turning to pricing. Per program blended ASP decreased by about 14% year over year, which represents a decrease of 8% in RMB terms. On an apples to apples basis, which is GAAP revenue divided by total teaching hours, hourly blended ASP in RMB terms increased by about 1% year over year.
To provide a breakdown of the hourly blended ASP in RMB term, please note that U Can increased about 1%, POP Kids increased about 5% and overseas test program increased about 6% all year over year. The decrease of per program blended ASP is mainly due to the shifting of revenue mix from the oversea test drive business with higher ASP to the K-twelve business, together with a huge increase of enrollments for discounted UK and classes during the summer promotion we offered. Meanwhile, it's encouraging to see the continuous improvement of operating margin. Despite the promotion costs, the operating margin for the first quarter increased by 30 basis points to 28.6% from 28.3% a year ago, even while we invested quite heavily in customer acquisition and loyalty development via our summer promotion, which I will talk about in some detail later in my remarks. The margin expansion was largely driven by improved utilization of facilities and the effective cost control within the company.
We were committed to achieve higher efficiency in our operations in fiscal year twenty seventeen. It's allowing us to reinvest in the business while protecting margins and this is very important. This also highlights our management team's ability to manage the business, knowing that what levers to pull when to drive overall performances. Now let's move on to the performance across our individual business lines. Our key revenue driver, K-twelve all subjects after school tutoring business, achieved a revenue growth of about 28% in U.
S. Dollar terms or 36% in RMB terms year over year for the first quarter, driven by exceptionally high enrollment growth of about 46% year over year. Breaking it down, the U Can middle school, high school all subjects after school tutoring business experienced a revenue increase of about 23% in U. S. Dollar terms or 31% in RMB terms year over year.
Student enrollments grew about 44% year over year for the quarter. Our POD Kids program kept delivering a strong performance with revenue up by about 39% in U. S. Dollar terms or by 48% in RMB terms during this quarter and enrollment growing significantly by about 49%. Our overseas test prep and consultant business together reported revenue growth of about 2% in U.
S. Dollar terms or 8% in RMB terms year over year. Finally, VIP personalized class business achieved cash revenue growth of about 11% in U. S. Dollar terms were 18% in RMB terms year over year.
Now I will provide some updates on the progress we have continued to make with our well proven optimized market strategy. We have been focusing on maintaining a healthy balance between top line and bottom line growth, while investing in the build out of our O2O integrated education system. With encouraging results that have been achieved, we're confident that this strategy has laid a solid foundation on which we'll build sustainable long term growth. With respect to our core offline business, in the first quarter, we opened a new school in the city of Bao Dinh. We added net of 22 learning centers and expanded some existing ones, adding a total of approximately 49,000 square meters of classroom area.
As for our online business, we invested about $10,800,000 in the first quarter to improve and maintain our ultra integrated education ecosystem. Most of the investments were recorded under G and A expenses. We have been devoted to this online business build out since 2014 and our hard work has been rewarded with increasing customer retention and the addition of new customers. We fully believe this is transforming our business and investments now bearing tangible fruit has been well worth it. Before I go into the details, just a quick recap of the three levels of our online platform.
The first level, also the core of our online system is an O2O two way interactive education system across all of our business lines. The second level is our pure online learning platform and supplementary online education products and the NewRental brand. The third level of our ecosystem is for NewRental to take minority shareholdings in online education companies that complement our all online education offerings. Starting with O2O2A interactive education system, we aim to extend New Oriental's traditional offline classroom teaching offerings to online education services. This is also an important factor that sets us apart from other key players in the market.
With advanced auto product service, we're poised to gain more market share and improve brand recognition going forward. Since its launch in September 2014, U Can Visible Progress teaching system, our interactive education system has been successfully rolled out across all 55 existing cities in our nationwide school network and this expansion drove positive performance. Our newly revamped POP Kids English program Shuang Yu has also gradually expanded its coverage to 54 cities by the end of the first quarter. The interactive education system has been gradually used in more and more cities. The Ultra for domestic test prep program was being used in five cities for some classes by the end of the first fiscal quarter.
And since its launch in the 2016, the interactive education system for overseas test prep program including ELs, TOEFL and SAT courses was rolled out in seven cities by the end of this quarter, an increase of four cities from last quarter. For the second level of our online education ecosystem, we have seen consistent growth in our pure online learning platform and other supplementary online education products. In the first quarter, koolearn.com generated net revenue of $14,200,000 representing an increase of 45% year over year. The number of paid users increased significantly about 37% year over year. The number of cumulative registered users has reached 14,200,000.
Ku.cn, our own live broadcast open platform for both New Oriental and third party teachers achieved over 624,700 registrations in the first quarter. Donut, a series of game based mobile learning apps for children reported over 47,500,000 downloads by quarter end. Luo2, an English language vocabulary training app for mobile phones and tablets app, recorded over 4,800,000 users by quarter end. For the third level of our online education ecosystem, we invest in select online education companies with a minority stake and we continue to look for new opportunities that will not only complete our own offerings, but also facilitate our Ocho integration. I wanted to spend a couple of minutes now talking about a key initiative we executed in the first quarter to further progress our efforts to consolidate the market and gain as much share as possible, we conduct a large scale promotion this summer in order to rapidly acquire grade seven student customers before they start the first year of secondary school.
To do so, we offered a low price experiential courses for multiple subjects in Beijing and Shanghai and math course in approximately 25 other cities. The promotion was very welcomed by the market and brought in about 204,000 enrollments for the 2017, which was not included in our report enrollments for the quarter. We're very pleased with the outcome and we also expect the students will retain after the promotion for further full price classes will boost revenue and profit growth throughout the whole fiscal year. Because of the promotion, our operating margin was negatively impacted by about 1% in the first quarter, though the operating margin for the first quarter still increased by 30 basis points to 28.6% from 28.3% a year ago. However, due to a higher utilization of facilities in the rest of the year, we don't expect that there will be a material impact on operating margin throughout the whole fiscal year.
It's important to know that this is proving a successful strategy to quickly increase market share in the high growing K-twelve after school tutoring market. As these students move from grade seven through grade 12, we believe that the continued improvement in retention rates and hopeful resulting customer loyalty will drive revenue growth in the next three to six years. Now let me walk you through the other key financial details for the first quarter specifically. Operating costs and expenses for the first quarter were $381,500,000 representing a 16.1% increase year over year. Non GAAP operating costs and expenses for the quarter, which excludes share based compensation expenses, were $380,600,000 representing a 17.1% increase year over year.
Cost of revenues increased by 18.5% year over year to $203,400,000 primarily due to increase in teachers' compensation for more teaching hours. Selling and marketing expenses increased by 18.4% year over year to $58,500,000 primarily due to increase in brand promotion expenses and selling and marketing staff compensation. General and administrative expenses for the quarter increased by 11.2% year over year to $119,700,000 Non GAAP general and administrative expenses, which exclude share based compensation expenses, were $118,800,000 representing a 14.3% increase year over year. Total share based compensation expenses, which were allocated to related operating costs and expenses decreased by 76.5% to $900,000 in the 2017. Operating income for the quarter was $152,600,000 an increase of 17.5% compared to $129,800,000 in the same period of prior fiscal year.
Non GAAP income from operations for the quarter was $153,500,000 a 14.9% increase compared to non GAAP income from operations of $133,600,000 in the same period of prior fiscal year. Operating margin for the quarter was 28.6% compared to 28.3% in the same period of prior fiscal year. Non GAAP operating margin, which excludes share based compensation expenses for the quarter, was 28.7% compared to 29.1% in the same period in the prior fiscal year. Net income attributable to New Oriental for the quarter was $141,100,000 representing a 9.7% increase from the same period in the prior fiscal year. Capital expenditures for the quarter was 25,400,000 and this was primarily attributable to the opening of 45 new learning centers and renovations as existing learning centers.
Turning to the balance sheet. Deferred revenue balance, which is cash collect from registered students for courses recognized proportionally as revenue as the instructors delivered, at the end of the 2017 was $657,100,000 an increase of 28.4% as compared to $511,700,000 at the end of the 2016. Before talking about our expectations for the second quarter, I wanted to take a moment to reiterate our overarching goals for the year, which we outlined on our last conference call. During fiscal year twenty seventeen, we will continue to focus on our optimized market strategy. With the current success achieved, we're confident that we're moving in the right direction and we should drive additional progress and success.
To give you more specifics, first, we will continue to expand our offline business. In fiscal year twenty seventeen, we plan to add 40 to 50 new learning centers for K-twelve business in existing cities. And we also plan to enter two or three new cities where we identify as markets with most business opportunities. We also plan to implement the newly initiative to a teacher class model in around 10 existing cities and enter five to eight new cities specifically targeting low tier markets. Second, we will continue to invest our O2O integration and initiatives in our online education offerings.
In particular, we will focus on product refinement and maintenance. We will continue to make investments, but we believe that the total spending will begin to stabilize this year compared with huge annual incremental increase over the last two fiscal years. Third, we will continue to have a top priority on improving utilization of facilities and controlling costs across the company to drive continued margin expansion. By executing all of these things, we believe that we will deliver strong results and create long term value. In terms of the 2017, we expect total net revenue to be in the range of $324,600,000 to $335,100,000 representing year over year growth in the range of 17% to 21%.
The projected growth rate of revenue in our functional currency RMB is expected to be in the range of 23% to 27% for the 2017. Lastly, I must mention that these expectations reflect New Oriental's current and preliminary view, which is subject to change. At this point, I will take your questions. Operator, please open the call for this. Thank you.
Speaker 3
Thank
Speaker 0
you. The question and answer session of this conference call will start in a moment. In order to be fair to all callers who wish to ask question, we will take one question at a time from each caller. If you have more than one question, please request to join the question queue again after your first question has been addressed. We will now begin the question and answer session.
The first question comes from the line of Terry Chan from HSBC. Please ask your question.
Speaker 3
Hi, good evening and good morning everyone. Thank you, Stephen and Susan for taking my questions. And congratulations on the solid results. I have one question is on your 2Q revenue guidance. I think the numbers are better than expectation.
Can management give more color on your expectation into the different business lines of yours? And given the strong 2Q numbers, will management consider to raise the full year revenue guidance? Thank you very much.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thank you, Terry. As for the guidance for the second quarter, we're happy to see the very strong student enrollment in Q1. What I mean is the cash revenue as student enrollment in Q1 and the first half of the second quarter. And also, we did very successful summer promotion in the Q1.
And I think the retention rates will be higher. And I think the key growth driver in Q2 and also for the rest of the year, the K-twelve business will be the key top line growth driver. And so most of the revenue growth will come from the K-twelve business. And you can also look at the deferred revenue balance at the end of the Q1. We have the 28.28% to 29% deferred revenue balance increase at the end of the Q1.
And going forward, what I mean for the whole fiscal year 2017, I think the top line growth for the whole year for overall business will be somewhere at 24%, 25% year over year growth. Is it clear?
Speaker 3
Yes. So 24%, 25% is in RMB terms.
Speaker 2
Yes, In RMB terms. It's really difficult to predict the exchange rates changes going forward. So I just want to give the guidance in RMB term. Okay.
Speaker 3
Yes, sure, sure. Very clear. So just one very quick follow-up. So what's the actual retention rate of your summer course students?
Speaker 2
We have 200,000 student enrollments for lower priced summer promotion courses. This is the number.
Speaker 3
Yes. So what's the actual retention rate? Can you share with us?
Speaker 2
Yes. Based on the student enrollment accounts in big cities like Beijing and Wuhan, we had the retention rate of about 40% to 50%.
Speaker 3
Okay, great. Thank you, Stephen.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Wendy Huang from Macquarie Securities. Please ask your question.
Speaker 4
Thank you. My question is about the margin trends. So you mentioned earlier that this quarter's operating margin was not affected by like one percentage points by the promotions. Should we actually view this as more like a one quarter seasonality? How should we look at the margin trend for the rest of the FY 2017 in the longer term?
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. We're happy to see the operating margin improvement by 30 bps in the first quarter of this year. This slide, spent RMB11 million on the online investments and also we had a very huge summer promotion and we the cost is not very small. So but despite we spent a lot in first quarter, but we finally we got the margin improvements in Q1. But I don't want to guide the margin operating margin in fiscal year twenty seventeen.
But going forward, our target is to get 17%, 18% operating margin in next three, four years. And also, are going forward in the rest of the fiscal year, I think the management will manage the business very strictly. And also, I think we have a lot of business leverages. So and also we will control the cost very strictly. And so hopefully, we expect the operating margin will be a little bit higher compared to last year.
Okay.
Speaker 4
Thanks, Stephen.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thanks.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Tian Heo from T. H. Capital. Please ask your question.
Speaker 5
Stephen, C. C. I have a question related to your summer promotion program. You have been doing that for two years and the first time you did in Beijing and this time you did in many more cities. So even though it's two years on the row, however, those two years are different.
So I wonder what have you learned from those kind of promotion programs in this quarter? And what are some area you do believe this promotion program are very good? And what are some area you believe you can do better or improve? So that's the question.
Speaker 2
Tian, actually we started the summer promotion in Beijing six year five or six years ago. It's not two years. And this year, since the two years ago, we met a lot on the O2O product. So now we are very confident about our product. That's why we make the decision to spread the summer promotions from Beijing only to over 27 cities in this summer.
And because of the promotion, I think it's very important to know that I think it's a very successful strategy because it's a quick way to take market share from competitors. And for both students who enroll the summer promotion classes, I think we believe that the continuous improvement in the retention rate and hopefully the resulting customer loyalty will drive the very strong top line growth in next three in next whole year in the whole year over next three or six years. I think this is the main purpose of the summer promotion program. And now I think the promotion was very welcomed by the market and it's brought in 200,000 still enrollment. And I think it will give us the 2% to 3% or maybe 2% to 4% incremental revenue growth in the rest of the year.
So it will help the top line growth. Is it clear?
Speaker 4
Yes. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thanks, Tian.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Zhao Zhao from Credit Suisse. Please ask your question.
Speaker 6
Hi, management. Congratulations on a very strong quarter. I have two questions. One, could management share with us your current utilization rate and the operating margin of different segments? And the second question is regarding your dual teacher model.
What's the difference in our strategy from our competitor? And what's our margin expectation on this initiative? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. In terms of the utilization rates, now the utilization rate is about 20% and but we have the 200 bps up compared to last year. And going forward, we expect the utilization rates will go up because the expansion we will plan to expand 5% to 10% capacity in class mass area. And but our student enrollment will get maybe 25%, 30% year over year growth. So we expect the utilization rates go up going forward.
And the dual teacher model, I think we're still in the process of piloting period. And it's very easy to understand just the star were good teachers who stay in the high tier cities. And we have sounds like a hybrid model. And we have one or two teacher assistants in classroom in low tier cities to support the teaching cycle. And I think it's too early to say the operating margin of this model because it's too early.
And when we pilot the program by two to three quarters, I think I will tell you if it's the time, I will tell you the operating margin prediction. Okay.
Speaker 6
Sure. Thanks a lot. Sorry, may I have a quick follow-up on our SBC expenses? What is our share based compensation cost a lot lower than previous quarters? Thank you.
Speaker 7
Okay.
Speaker 2
We have not issued the incentive shares of this fiscal year to hand management and key staffs till now. Last year, we issued the shares to them in July. That's why you see this SBC amount difference. And we plan to issue the shares to management and key staff in one or two months. So you will find more SBC share based compensation expenses reports during the rest of the fiscal year.
Speaker 6
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thanks.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Alex Liu from Daiwa. Please ask your question.
Speaker 7
Thanks management for these opportunities. My first question is on capacity. I think if my calculation is correct, on a year on year basis, it seems that the company has speed up the learning center area growth in this quarter. I was wondering what's the management's thoughts on accelerating capacity growth for this year and next year? And if management can add some color on where are we adding those capacities?
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Added 22 learning centers in first quarter. And if you calculate the classroom area, we expand 4% in capacity in this quarter. And I think it's in line with our budget. We plan to open 40 to 50 learning centers in the whole fiscal year and we opened 22 in the Q1.
And I think the whole I think the in the whole year, we will open still the 40 to 50 new learning centers. And that means the 5% to 8% classroom area capacity expansion.
Speaker 7
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thanks.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Natalie Yu from CICC. Please ask your question.
Speaker 8
Hi, good evening, Steven and Sisi. Thanks for taking my question. A couple of questions. The first one is regarding the POP Kids. So what's the driving force behind the continuing strength in the growth rate of POP Kids?
Will the churn loss into the future quarters? And the second one is, actually in the past months, we have witnessed the teacher salary raise from your competitor in the K-twelve area out of competition issue. So just wondering, you guys follow in the salary raise? And if yes, will the impact will this impact your margin profile in longer terms? Thank you.
Speaker 2
Yes. We had a very strong quarter, both the enrollment growth and revenue growth in POP Kids program. We love the new onlineoffline integrated program named Shuangyou last year. And now I think we're seeing it starts to bear fruit from the new revamped product. And most of the revenue growth comes from the enrollment growth.
And going forward, what I mean the rest of this fiscal year and also for the next two to three years, I think the top line growth of top kids will be very strong. And combined with the U Can business, the K-twelve business will be the key driver of the top line growth in the company. And your second question is about salary inflation of teachers. Typically, on apple to apple basis, what it means the hourly rate, the hourly rate for the teacher salary, we increased it eight to 9% year over year. It's quite stable.
And also, since last year, we started to give more teaching hours to the new to the good teachers to help them to earn a than before in New Oriental. We hope them to stay longer with New Oriental. So going forward, I think the teacher salary the increase of teacher salary will be in line with the top line growth. Is it clear?
Speaker 8
Great. Thank you, Stephen. Actually, may I have a very quick question regarding the summer promotion program this year?
Speaker 5
Okay.
Speaker 8
So can you share with us some color on how many courses per student take on average in the summer promotion program this year? And how many courses will a student take in the autumn session normally, maybe in large cities like Beijing and Wuhan?
Speaker 5
Okay.
Speaker 2
In the summer promotion, the students on average to take two to three courses at the same time like in big cities in Beijing and Wuhan in Beijing and Shanghai. And also going forward in the autumn classes, typically the students take two courses at the same time on average.
Speaker 5
Very Thank you. Thanks.
Speaker 8
Yes, very clear.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Fan Liu from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.
Speaker 9
Hi management, congratulations on your solid results. So I have a quick question about your headcount number. Could you please update the latest headcount number? And also among which, how many are teachers and how many are training assistant? And also, do you have the plan for the HACCON increase, especially in light of your expansion in your dual class model?
Speaker 2
Okay. The headcount the total headcount including the staff and teachers at the end of the Q1 was 38,600. And also we had 19,800 full time teachers and 70% more than 70% are full time teachers. And the headcount based on the budget, we plan to increase the total headcount by 5% to 10% in the fiscal year 2017. And in terms of the dual teacher model, we just piloted the program and we plan to open maybe the 10 learning centers in the existing cities and also we will open five to eight new cities, but it won't need so many teachers.
Speaker 9
Thank you. Just a quick follow-up. So do you have a goal for I mean, you have a target for the student to teacher ratio you want to achieve for this dual class model dual teacher class model?
Speaker 2
We don't have a target till now, because I told you that we are still in the process of pilot. So and also within the company, we don't calculate like this. We calculate the student retention rates and utilization rates.
Speaker 9
Understood. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Thank you.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Mariana Kho from CLSA. Please ask your question.
Speaker 9
Thanks management for taking my questions. Again, congratulations on a strong set of results. I actually have two questions. My first one is on pricing. I think you mentioned, Stephen, just now that ASP per hour is up about 1% for YUCAM, about 5% for POP Kids and about 6% for overseas.
Just wondering if you could comment that whether this is a little bit below historical levels and what are you planning to do for the rest of the year in terms of pricing?
Speaker 2
Okay. Thanks. Yes, first, think I the K-twelve business is scoring faster than the overseas test prep and adult English business. So typically the K-twelve business have the lower ASP than the overseas test prep. And also within the K-twelve business, business the K-twelve business in other cities are growing faster than Beijing and Shanghai.
So this kind of the revenue mix dragged down the overall ASP per program. And second, we have huge increase in enrollment for discounted U Can classes. Besides the summer promotion, we made some discounted classes in U Can for the summer courses. And since the autumn and also in the rest of the year, the price will go back to normal level. So the summer term is the first term of the whole fiscal year.
And in the rest of the year, I think the price of the price strategy of the company will be at same as last year or maybe a little bit higher than last year. The overall, the our we will increase the price on hourly basis by 5% to 8% in the rest of the year. Okay.
Speaker 9
Yes, thanks. Just to follow-up a little bit on that. So would it be fair to say that since POP Kids seems to be growing faster in terms of ASP and I think the margins as we previously talked about in other calls that margins are still a bit lower for POP Kids. Should we expect the operating margins for U Can and POP Kids to narrow?
Speaker 2
I think both the U Can and POP Kids program, the margins will be higher than the last year because we expect the higher utilization rate for both U Can and POP Kids.
Speaker 9
Right. Okay. Thank you. I guess another small question to add on the dual teacher program that we've been talking about. Could you actually comment in terms of lead time, should we expect I know we don't have an exact schedule on when we are going to roll it out and then all the targets.
But in terms of just lead time, should we expect like a couple of months of training before you roll out this program? So we should expect some sort of margin pressure the quarter before you exactly roll it out?
Speaker 2
No, I don't think so. I think we don't have the margin I don't have we have the margin negative margin impact for the dual teacher model, because we just piloted the program by like eight or 10 learning centers, but we have seven fifty learning centers. So it's a very I think the amount is immaterial.
Speaker 9
All right. Thank you, good to know.
Speaker 5
Okay. Thanks.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Andrew Okut from Nomura. Please ask your question.
Speaker 7
Hi, Stephen and Cecil. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a good set of numbers. A couple of questions from me. First, can you give us some additional color on the utilization, especially for U Can and POP Kids? I know earlier you mentioned overall utilization is about 20%, up about 200 basis points.
But how about specifically in these two business areas? And then secondly, for the dual teacher model, are you expecting any meaningful increase in CapEx as a result of building out some of this infrastructure? Those are my two questions. Thanks.
Speaker 2
Okay. Andrew, we don't disclose the utilization rates by different business lines. But in my personal will, I think the utilization rates for U Can and POP Kids is just as the same as the utilization rates for the whole company. And like I said before, going forward, the utilization rates will go higher because of the you will see the higher enrollment growth going forward. And in terms of the dual teacher model, yes, we will have a little bit more CapEx.
But as I said, we just set up, let's say, the five to 10 new learning centers in the new cities. And so compared to the 60,000,070 million dollars the CapEx for the whole company is not a big number. It's not a big deal. And last year, the CapEx of the whole the CapEx was 64,000,000 $65,000,000 And this year, what I mean is in fiscal year twenty seventeen, we plan to spend $75,000,000 somewhere at $75,000,000 in the CapEx. Okay.
Speaker 3
Got it.
Speaker 7
Thank you. Okay.
Speaker 2
Thanks, Andrew.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Johnny Huang from Jefferies. Please ask your question.
Speaker 10
Hello management. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on a very nice set of results. Most of my questions have been asked, but I just have one question to clarify. We mentioned that we spent extra $11,000,000 on the promotion. Does that mean that this number will fall off for rest of the year in terms of the hit to the P and L?
Thanks very much.
Speaker 2
Okay. I just want to clarify the numbers. What I've said is that we spent $11,000,000 the accurate number is $10,800,000 on the online investments for the first quarter. And based on the budget, we plan to spend same amount in this fiscal year, same as we spent last year. So we plan to spend $54,000,000 in this year.
And for the summer promotion, yes, we spent some teacher salary and maybe some rental for the summer promotion. And it's we have the negative impact for operating margin for Q1 by 1%. So maybe it's a five to we spend $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 on the summer promotion on the cost and expense side. Okay.
Speaker 0
Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. But it's one time for the summer promotion, it's one time cost and expenses. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Claire Choe from Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question.
Speaker 4
Hi, management. Thanks for taking my question. Can management remind us what level of retention rates do we need to achieve for the summer promotion course to be value accretive to New Oriental? And my second question is regarding I understand this might be a little bit too early, but given the dynamics in the market this year, what should we think about the promotional strategy as we enter into next year given the market has become quite promotional and those low priced courses will probably become a new norm? Thanks.
Okay.
Speaker 2
The retention rate, the overall retention rate for K-twelve business in the company in New Oriental is about 75%. Now last year, it was somewhere at 65%. Yes, for the summer promotion, the retention rates, like I said, in the big cities like Beijing and Wuhan, the retention rate is 40% to 50%. And that's it. And for the what's your second question?
Speaker 5
Next year.
Speaker 2
Next year. Yes, I think we will summarize what we have done in for the summer promotion. And I think it's too early to say what will be the plan for next year. But I think we will do the same thing next year. But I don't know the amount or the specific plan of next year.
Speaker 0
Okay.
Speaker 2
It's too early. I think it's a great way to take the market share. Yes, think it's a great way or method to take more market share from competitors and also to make the market consolidation based on the summer promotion way.
Speaker 5
Is it clear? Yes, sure.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Chin Yeon from Mizuho Securities. Please ask your
Speaker 11
Hi, good evening guys. I think on your prepared remarks or the press release, you mentioned that you guys launched the O2O education system for the overseas test prep. Given the fact that those students have typically a shorter shelf life than your typical K-twelve, can we expect meaningful price increases in the overseas test prep business going forward? And it launched in seven cities in China, where do you expect that to be in the next quarter or two? Thanks.
Speaker 2
Yes. Okay. We are seeing the Chinese parents send their kids to study abroad in younger age. That means most of the our overseas test prep students are high school or junior high school students. So they still need the same auto product.
And we launched the new auto product of ours in March. And going forward, we will launch more and more new products like the TOEFL, SAT or GRE. And the whole market of the overseas test prep doesn't grow as much as before, because I think the world cannot take more Chinese students. And I think the whole market grows with low single digits. But based on our the new auto products and also if you remember the earnings call in the last Q1, the Michael, the founder of the company said he will spend more time on the product reform over overseas test prep.
So I think we are confident to see the top line growth of the overseas test prep. In terms of the pricing, we still increase the price. We plan to increase the price of overseas test flights by eight to 10% going forward. And half of them, what I mean, 4% or 5% are apple to apple price increase. The other parts, another 50% has come from the product mix.
Typically, the SAT or TOEFL, TOEFL Junior class, those kind of class are much expensive than the GRE and GMAT classes. Okay.
Speaker 11
Perfect. Thank you.
Speaker 2
Okay. Thanks.
Speaker 0
The next question comes from the line of Terry Chen from HSBC. Please ask your question.
Speaker 3
Hi, thank you for taking my call again. I have a question on your investment philosophy. We have billion cash. I think the cash will continue to pile up given our strong free cash flow. So I'm just wondering how much will you deploy for acquisition investment and any possibility for us to do overseas expansion in the future?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think the first is the cash we'll be looking at the M and A and investments. This is our first priority. And as you saw, we spent $90,000,000 in the last two years on investments of O2O and pure online. And in terms of the M and A, I think we will look at the companies like there's some vertical pure online companies, which have the good content or good channels or where they're good at some specific subject, I think we will buy some minority shares from them.
And but the thinking we have is we will consider the potential like the cooperation between the target company and the New Oriental. This is our logic of investment. But what I want to say is we will do it very carefully. Okay.
Speaker 3
Okay. In terms of preference, do we prefer to make a strategy investment by acquiring minority stake in third party companies or do we prefer to do a full acquisition?
Speaker 2
I think it's quite open for our view. Most of the M and A going forward will be the minority shareholding buying. But if we find some companies have the potential synergy between the target company and New Oriental, maybe we'll buy the like the 100% shares of them.
Speaker 3
Okay, great. Thanks, Stephen again.
Speaker 2
Thanks.
Speaker 0
We are now approaching the end of the conference call. I will now turn the call over to New Oriental CFO, Steven Yang for his closing remarks.
Speaker 2
Again, thank you for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me or any of our Investor Relations representatives. Thank
Speaker 7
you.
Speaker 0
Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.