Eve Holding - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Pre-revenue development quarter; net loss widened to $48.8M on higher R&D tied to prototype testing and Embraer MSA; EPS was $(0.16) vs $(0.09) in 1Q24.
• Cash consumption improved to $25.3M (benefited by ~$18M q/q rise in related party payables), ending cash/investments at $287.6M and total liquidity of $410.3M; management reiterated funding runway through 2026 (CFO referenced ~$411M).
• 2025 guidance maintained: total cash consumption $200–$250M, with CFO now expecting usage “probably closer to the low end” as the year progresses.
• Program milestones on track: full-scale engineering prototype progressing through ground tests; first flight targeted in 2025; five conforming certification prototypes to begin assembly in 2H25; Taubaté site prep (480 units/yr modular capacity) advancing with estimated $80–$90M customization.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

• What Went Well

  • Prototype and test progress: “we are confident that we will begin flying our prototype this year,” after successful pusher motor runs and lifter motor testing on dynamometers.
  • Liquidity and runway: CFO reiterated “total liquidity of $411 million…sufficient to sustain our operations through 2026,” aided by BNDES facilities and recent draws.
  • Services & software build-out: 14 TechCare customers (~1.1k aircraft coverage) and 21 Vector customers; training JV (ECTS) received first data package to start pilot/mechanic training development.

• What Went Wrong

  • Loss expansion: net loss rose to $48.8M (from $25.3M) as R&D increased to $44.7M to support testing, supplier engagement, and Embraer MSA work.
  • Derivatives tailwind moderated: gain from derivative liabilities fell to $3.3M vs $6.3M in 1Q24, providing less offset to operating loss.
  • Burn likely to step up from adjusted 1Q level: CFO noted an invoice timing benefit; normalized burn would have been ~$40M in 1Q, with a modest acceleration expected in later quarters despite staying toward low end of guide.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good day, and welcome to the Eve Holding's first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lucio Aldworth, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Lucio Aldworth (Director of Investor Relations)

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. This is Lucio Aldworth, the Director of Investor Relations at Eve, and I wanted to welcome everyone to our first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Our CEO, Johann Bordais, and CFO Eduardo Couto are joining me on the call today, and after their prepared remarks, we're going to open the call for questions, at which point Luiz Valentini, our Chief Technology Officer, will also join us for more technical questions. We have a deck with a few slides and additional pictures that show our achievements in the quarter, as well as the testing phase of our full-scale prototype. The deck is on our website at ir.eveairmobility.com, so please feel free to download it and follow along. Let me first mention that today's conference call includes statements about events or circumstances that have not yet occurred.

These are largely based on our current expectations and projections about future events and financial trends affecting our business and our future financial performance. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause financial results to differ substantially from those expressed or implied in this conference call, and we undertake no obligations to update publicly or revise any forward-looking statement because of new information, future events, or other factors. For more details of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our SEC filings available on our website. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to our CEO, Johann.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thanks, Lucio. Good morning to all, and welcome to our first quarter 2025 conference call. We continue to move at a steady pace in the development of our eVTOL, and we have reached important milestones in the quarter. I would like to highlight today a few of those most important recent achievements, starting with slide two. We continue to perform several ground tests in our full-scale prototype and prepare it for its debut flight. As a reminder, this is a full-scale engineering prototype with no cabin or cockpit. It is made of a composite material that will be piloted remotely in our remote pilot station, what we call the RPS. This prototype will be used to validate and improve the accuracy of previous subscale and computer models. It is also an important contribution for the setup of several rigs we are using for different individual components.

Early this year, we tested the pusher motor after having installed it in the aft section of the full-scale prototype. We published a video of the test, and that is online for everyone to see and enjoy. As a reminder, we had already tested the motor in the lab environment and in the dynamometer to make sure it delivered the expected performance, and the tests after installation were important to make sure that the real-life performance was consistent with lab results and also that the inverters were properly installed. We are now following the same protocol with the lifter motors, testing them in the dynamometers before installing them in their respective nacelle in the prototype. With that, we are confident that we will begin flying our prototypes till this year. We will initially perform hover flights and gradually increase power and the height. Then we'll move to partial transition.

This is when we engage the pusher without fully disengaging the lifters to continue controlling the aircraft vertically, and only then will we move to a full transition flight. At the same time, we continue to make important advancements with rigs in what we call the Iron Bird. This is a constructed eVTOL in which we integrate all the different components of an eVTOL into a physical system to make sure that all systems work together properly. We will get into this in a moment. In parallel, we are highly engaged with our suppliers who are already producing parts for the first of the series of five conforming prototypes we will have for the certification campaign. Lastly, we have already prepared the assembly line in our site of Embraer, São José dos Campos, Eugênio de Melo plant for our conforming vehicle.

Now, slide three lists some of the successful tests that we have performed in the aircraft this quarter. This is to make sure that it is airworthy. Not only do we need to make sure that a dedicated radio link between the eVTOL and the RPS has no latency and no interruption to prevent the loss of control, but also we need to test how well our cabling system insulates the aircraft from the external electromagnetic interference. We also measure how well the eVTOL structure holds in the vibration test to simulate some turbulence, but more importantly, the structural integrity of our hull in adverse conditions. Lastly, we also make sure that all navigation related equipment, such as the GPS and also altimeter, are properly calibrated.

Now, the next few slides offer a good summary of what we're testing, what we have tested, and also accomplished so far this quarter. Slide four shows the lifter test in the dynamometer. As you can imagine, we need to perform several tests with each of the eight motors to make sure they deliver, at least in the lab setting, their intended thrust to support the aircraft in the takeoff and landing phase of the flight, remembering that this is the same protocol we use with the pusher motor, which means that we're getting close to flying. Slide four shows some of the parts of the Iron Bird. Here on the left, you see a picture of the Iron Bird simulator. This is the interface through which the pilot will control the entire system.

As you can see, the simulator has approximately a 270-degree view, and it is connected with all the different rigs of the flight-critical components. For instance, the inceptor is connected to actuators and motors, and they react physically to all pilot commands. This, in turn, is connected to the flight computer with our fly-by-wire system and avionics. The motors are connected to the battery with its own thermal management system. A curious fact is that all wires and cables replicate the composition, the width, and the length of the actual harness that we will have on the eVTOL. This assures a realistic simulation as much as possible. Not only does the Iron Bird help us to better integrate and understand all the systems and how they all work together, it also helps us troubleshoot the potential problems on the ground.

It also, on top of this, is important for the aftermarket benefit. The Iron Bird helps us to understand the material and the component fatigue, and these are important inputs for the efficient maintenance program and also for the reliability of the aircraft. Another important fact is that the Iron Bird helps us expedite and reduce costs related to certification campaigns. Keep in mind that some of these tests can be performed on the ground, such as the electrical system, circuit breakers, and the Iron Bird becomes a very valuable tool. The next slides show how the advancements that we have made on the digital and computer system to reduce development time and cost. Slide six, it shows a different flight simulator that is used to validate the control law for the fly-by-wire system and was extensively used to develop the flight control.

It is also an important tool to develop the ergonomics for the pilots and window positioning to maximize the visibility. Slide seven shows a digital rendering of the structure of the cockpit with all its systems, structural support, and the wiring, remembering that this is an aircraft with a pilot plus four passengers and a luggage compartment, and it is not only designed to be efficient to operate but to maintain as well. With that in mind, components are placed at a strategic place and easy access to facilitate any maintenance service. Now, the next couple of slides show the level of engagement with our suppliers. We regularly meet them and visit their sites, but in the last couple of months, there was a very noticeable uptick in the activity.

As you can see in slide eight and also slide nine, we already have some of the components ready to go for the first of our series of certification-compliant aircraft. As you can see, the nose of the fuselage, we have the lighting system, actuators, seats, and windshield have already been produced. You can also see some of their tooling to manufacture these components, such as the negative for the carbon fiber structural parts and the autoclave that is used to cure these components and increase its resistance and durability. Again, this increases our confidence level that we will be able to meet our ambitions, targets, and start the assembly of the first of these conforming prototypes in the second half of 2025 and initiate the flight portion of the certification campaign early next year.

Lastly, on slide 10, we can see the site where we will assemble this conforming prototype. Now, to avoid any confusion, this is not our site in Tabaté where we will be manufacturing the commercial aircraft. This site is inside of the Embraer main facility in São José dos Campos and will be used exclusively to assemble the conforming prototype for the certification campaign. We plan on deploying five eVTOLs for the certification campaign with an option for maybe a sixth aircraft if needed. Needless to say that this site is strategically important for us because of proximity to Embraer Engineering, which we think will be critical for the learning curve in the assembly process of these aircraft. The site is ready to be used, and we will now start installing the equipment and the tooling to manufacture our eVTOLs.

As a reminder, these conforming prototypes will be close to the commercial version of eVTOL as much as possible, and they will have all the systems, the subsystems, and the redundancy that are necessary for certification for the commercial operation. In the end, advancement in these three production aircraft means a leap when we're ready to go for the entry to service. My last slide, which is slide 11, is our total pre-order backlog, which stands unchanged at approximately 2,800 aircraft for a total value close to $14 billion based on the list price. These are non-binding letters of intent from 28 different customers spread over nine countries and different businesses, from airline liners to the regional airliners, helicopter operators, ride-sharing platforms, and leasing companies.

Because maintenance and support guarantees a proper aircraft operation, we are highly focused on providing the best-in-class services and support to eVTOL operators. Therefore, we have also secured contracts with 14 different customers for our EveTakeCare suite of aftermarket products, which could bring up to $1.6 billion in revenue to Eve over the first few years of operation. Importantly, EveTakeCare's customers have placed LOI to services for around 1,100 aircraft, which is about 40% of our pre-order book. As you can see, we also have 21 different customers for our air traffic management system Vector, and I believe this reflects the market-leading value proposition that we bring to our customers.

Beyond that, together with our customers and authorities, we are also developing a strong network of partners in different areas, such as the infrastructure and energy, to address one of the many challenges ahead of the urban air mobility, which is to create a whole new ecosystem besides simply developing an aircraft. Now, I would like to invite our CFO, Edu, to go over our financials along with a checklist for our 2025 milestones.

Eduardo Siffert Couto (CFO)

Thanks, Johann. Now, moving to slide 12, Eve is a pre-operational company, and our financials reflect mostly the costs associated with our program development. That said, I would like to highlight some of our numbers. Eve invested $45 million during the first quarter in our program development, including our eVTOL, the service and support solutions, and the urban air traffic management software.

We continue to accelerate our program development this year with more engineers from Eve and Embraer, as well as higher engagement with suppliers. That explains the higher R&D expenses in the quarter, also deployed almost $8 million in SG&A during the first quarter. Including R&D and SG&A, Eve reported a net loss of $49 million in the first quarter 2025. Now, moving to cash flow, our operations consumed $25 million in the quarter, which is lower than previous quarters, as it included a temporary working capital gain. As one of our invoices of $15 million from Embraer related to the engineering development services that are typically paid at the end of the quarter is leaped to the beginning of the second quarter.

We are comfortable with our guidance for the full year, which reflects our financial discipline, advantages of using Embraer's engineering team, as well as our increased efforts in the program development. Finally, on liquidity, we ended the first quarter with $288 million in cash. This is down $15 million from the end of 2024 and also reflects an additional disbursement of the credit lines from the Brazilian Development Bank of $9 million. These standby facilities continue to help Eve to preserve a solid cash position throughout the year. The total liquidity of $411 million at the end of the quarter includes our cash and all-endurance standby facilities and is sufficient to sustain our operations through 2026. Now, going to slide 13, we remain on track to deliver our milestones this year.

As Johann detailed earlier, our first full-scale prototype is concluding the final tests and installations to start to perform its initial flights in 2025. In parallel, we continue in talks with AMAC to detail the means of compliance, which are the specific tests that need to be conducted during the certification campaign. We also continue highly engaged with the suppliers, working on the initial parts of our conforming prototypes. In parallel, the site to assemble these aircraft is starting to receive the necessary equipment and tooling. Lastly, our cash consumption in the year, despite the better first quarter, should stay in the guidance of $200 million-$250 million, probably closer to the low end of the range. With that, we conclude our remarks, and I would like to open the call for questions. Operator, please proceed. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. If your question has already been addressed and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, please press star then two. This meeting is being recorded. This meeting is being transcribed. At this time, we'll pause for just a moment to assemble our roster. Today's first question comes from Savi Saith at Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe first, Edu, the R&D spend was a little bit higher than I would have expected, but obviously, you're kind of within how you're thinking about the cash spend. Do you still expect that pace to kind of step up, or is this kind of the right level of spend for the rest of the year on R&D and on the SG&A as well?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Yeah, I believe we should be around this level, Savi. You're right. We had a lot of engagement, not only Embraer, Eve, but also with suppliers. R&D was $44 million in the quarter. I believe it should stay at this level, probably not accelerate further.

Savi Syth (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Okay. That's helpful. And then just on the certification aircraft build, I think Johann, you mentioned maybe you can do test flights as early as 2026, and I know you called out this Embraer site being prepared and partners building parts. Just could you talk about what items you're still waiting on to start building that? I'm just trying to think about how much kind of early preparation and what might delay the start of that program if something does.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Sure. Thanks, Savi. Reminding that we have two prototypes, let's call it, right? We have the engineering prototype, the one that we rolled out last year at the Farnborough Air Show, and this is the one that we've been showing, right, in videos. Then we have the first conforming prototype, the one that is one of the series of five aircraft that we will use to certify the aircraft. This is the one I showed one slide about where the plant is going to be. It's going to be in what we call the Zero Silva plant in the Feralima in São José dos Campos. It's not Tabaté.

As you can see, the floor is now ready to receive the tooling and to start to build the prototype. When it comes to the prototype, everything is on schedule, right, for the conforming prototype. I think this is what you asked for.

Savi Syth (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Yes. Okay. Sounds good. I appreciate the color. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Austin Mueller at Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Austin Mueller (Director and Equity Research)

Hi. Good morning, Johann and Edu. Just my first question here. The $1.6 billion in services contract backlog, does that reflect any expectation of a battery upgrade in the future into existing aircraft with an STC, or does that only assume replacements of existing battery types and maintenance?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thanks, Austin. Indeed, this is including the replacement and the repair of the batteries, right, as it is, the replacement. A little bit more on a yearly basis, right?

It doesn't have inside the upgrade, right?

Austin Mueller (Director and Equity Research)

Okay. And on the certification prototype, so the prototype that you're building now, are you planning to fly that specific aircraft with a pilot, or would that be on future aircraft since you're planning to build five as part of TC?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

The conforming prototype we're starting to build this year and we'll fly it next year, will have a pilot. It will be manned, yes. This is part of the certification process.

Austin Mueller (Director and Equity Research)

Great. I'll pass it back there. Thank you.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Sheila Kahyaogluy with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Sheila Kahyaoglu (Managing Director)

Good morning, guys, and thank you for the time. Maybe one on the order book and one on free cash flow. The order book, can you talk to us about discussions there? Just what's the latest on the customer engagement front? How should we expect the order book and backlog to move forward as we think about timing with your first flight as well?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thanks, Sheila. The order book is something that we've worked since the very beginning when we started to visit the customers four years ago. I think the vote of confidence of the solution that we're developing is really right there. That's 2,800 vehicles under LOI. Obviously, it is evolving. I mean, it's been a couple of years sometimes, the customers assigned, and it's evolving on the corporate level. Nothing to do with the product, but we have few customers like Vizer Zero, for example. They got purchased by Norwegian, and they changed their strategy, and it's not the priority right now for the eVTOL. At the same time, we have others like this that went actually bankrupt. We're also bringing some other customers.

I think the strategy is really to keep a footprint around the world where we have customers in Japan, Australia, the Middle East, India, the U.S., and the primary market, of course, of Brazil and the U.S. This is really where we're keeping at the same level. We're not chasing more LOIs just because we want to get numbers. We really want to make sure now that we're starting to work on where it's going to be the first customer and the first operation, the first city at the city level. We engage with the customer on the ecosystem development. We're already doing this with our customers. Naturally, we will get into this negotiation of the firm and the firm orders.

Sheila Kahyaoglu (Managing Director)

Got it. No, makes sense.Maybe just on free cash flow, as we think about $25 million of usage in the quarter versus total cash consumption guide of $200 million-$250 million, can you provide a little color on the cadence of the burn as we progress throughout the year and how you're thinking about the $410 million of liquidity?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

No, thanks, Sheila, for the question. As you mentioned, we consumed $25 million in the quarter. There was one invoice, right, that is kept to the beginning of the second quarter of $15 million. If you adjust that, the consumption would have been around $40 million. If you annualize that, it would be around $160 million. We believe the quarters ahead in terms of cash, they may be a little higher than the adjusted $40 million we should have had in the first quarter.

That's the reason we believe we may be probably closer at the low end of the $200 million-$250 million and then more close to the $200 million. I think we are on track on that. The liquidity, our total liquidity is $411 million, right, which is around $290 million, almost $300 million cash. And there's the standby facilities, a little bit more than $100 million. If we consume $200 million and we have a little bit more than $400 million, that gives us enough cash for 2025 and 2026. The certification is 2027. We still have plenty of cash, but at some point, we need to work on this liquidity for 2027. We have multiple options, so I don't think funding is a problem at all.

We have plenty of funding, but that's how we view covered for 2025, 2026, and the pace of burn accelerating a little bit from this around $40 million level per quarter.

Sheila Kahyaoglu (Managing Director)

Sounds great. Perfect. Thank you.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thank you, Sheila. Thanks, Sheila.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star then one. Our next question comes from Andre Sheppard with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.

Andres Sheppard (Managing Director & Senior Equity Analyst)

Hey, everyone. Good morning and congratulations on the quarter. Thank you for taking our questions. I want to touch on maybe just the five prototypes that you expect to build again for certification campaign. Do we have a sense on roughly what the timing of that might be, and is that embedded into the cash consumption guidance for this year? Just trying to figure out how and when we should think about maybe CapEx and cash consumption for these five aircraft.Thank you.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thanks, Andre. I mean, I see that you guys are focused on the prototype, obviously, the conforming one, which I think is important. This is also why we showed you in this quarter how we're progressing. There are actually parts coming from the suppliers. There is the facility that is being prepared and ready to receive the first tooling so we can build up those five prototypes. Yeah, it is really towards the end of this year now that we're going to be starting to assemble the parts. More probably, you're not going to see a full aircraft already this year, right, being assembled, but definitely parts of it, okay? On the cash consumption. Okay. You do? Yes.

No, the cash, the focus is still most of our cash goes to R&D, right, for the development, for paying the engineers, right? We have around 800 to 900 engineers engaged. Yes, the cost of the prototypes, the parts, the initial assemble is there, but the majority is not related to that. This is still the development.

Andres Sheppard (Managing Director & Senior Equity Analyst)

Got it. That's super helpful. I appreciate that. Just as a quick follow-up, can you maybe just remind us in terms of your service and maintenance business segment, when and how do you expect to maybe commercialize? What's the latest there? That's something that is maybe differentiated to Eve. Just curious on the timing on the maintenance and service business segment. Thank you.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thank you for that question. I'll take this one. It's important and dear to my heart. This is something that since the very beginning in the whole project, I mean, we thought about the customer support and services because we know that it's not only about certification, but it's also about operating. This is going to be the success of this vehicle. Customers are asking two things: reliability, availability of the aircraft, and also the optimized operating cost. This is what we build up in our solution. I think this is really a step forward to what Embraer in the industry has done so far is that we are guaranteeing the face to the customer. This also guarantees the operation, and then we're involved with the operation, directly involved with the operation of the aircraft at the customer. What we've been doing now, it's focus on the first aircraft.

What we want is we want to make sure that we have entered the service that are well prepared, that also involves the service and support, the maintenance, the right maintenance with the right training, remembering that we already signed the contract with ECTS, which joint venture between CAE and Embraer for the training of the pilot and the mechanic to make sure that we'll be ready at the entry to service. We already, as a matter of fact, this quarter gave the first data package to ECTS so they can start building up the training solution. As you can see, I mean, we're on all front making sure that the operation will be seamless and with few operators and cities because we want to make it a success.

It will be a vitrine, and then we'll be able to replicate with aircraft plus service and support, complete solution to the operator and make it a success.

Wonderful. Thank you so much, Johann, and thank you, Edu. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Amit Dayal with HC Landright. Please go ahead.

Amit Dayal (Managing Director)

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Guys, what's the progress on the software side for the services side of the business? Any update on how some of those applications are coming along?

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Yeah. I'll take advantage that we also have Luiz Valentini, our CTO, that will give you more color about this.

Luiz Valentini (CTO)

Good. Good morning, Amit. Thank you for the question. The software side for the services is a really important basis for how we will provide the services that Johann mentioned on the previous question, right? We are focusing on engaging with the potential operators to understand what their use will be and how they will manage the aircraft to make sure that the software not only performs the functions that it needs to, but it's also, for example, user-friendly, easy to maintain and operate in all of the bases where the vehicles will be operated. This is a very active effort that we have ongoing to make sure that as we have the vehicle progressing, like Johann mentioned, we also have these tools evolving and ready to go into service when the vehicle does. Understood. Thank you for that.

Amit Dayal (Managing Director)

This one, last one for me.It looks like you're good with financing for maybe till the end of 2026. Beyond that, just wanted to see what options you may be entertaining and if any of those options include any strategic investors from the value chain that may not be Embraer, but somebody else. Just any color on how we should think about future financing options for you guys.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Yeah. We have several funding options. As I said, we are fully funded for 2025 and 2026. I think probably is one of the best companies within the sector, right, in terms of runway of funding. In terms of options, we have several. Even for the, for instance, the service and support softwares, we have some grants that we are discussing. They're not even loans or grants that we are discussing with some authorities. We have a lot of different fundings.

We have that comes from local ECAs to support payments to suppliers. We have additional discussions with the Brazilian Development Bank for also some long-term facilities for the development. There are several sources of funding that we can bring on top of the funding we already have. As I said, we already have plenty of funding for the upcoming quarters and years, but we have other options to put on top of the liquidity we already have.

Amit Dayal (Managing Director)

Understood. Thank you, guys. That's all I have.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our final question today is a follow-up from Savi Syth and Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Savi Syth (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Hey, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just a clarification on the battery side. Is the battery that you're using in the kind of the prototype that's kind of going under testing right now, is that going to be the same as the battery is being used for the certification aircraft that's being built later this year?

Luiz Valentini (CTO)

Yeah. Savi, this is Luiz Valentini. The battery is not exactly the same. It will be a different design and therefore a different part number, we call it. It builds very much on the same technology and very similar cells to the ones that we will use for the commercial vehicle. We believe that we are taking advantage of the fact that the engineering prototype doesn't have to have the maturity and the redundancies. That applies to the batteries too. That's why the battery is a little bit different than the one that will be on the commercial vehicle.

It allows us to apply the learnings from it and even work with the same supplier to build the development that we have with this battery and the engineering prototype tests into what will be the battery for the commercial vehicle.

Savi Syth (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Okay. The same supplier. You'll have confidence on kind of the production and everything,

Luiz Valentini (CTO)

Right. As we progress with the tests, we also evaluate, for example, the manufacturability of the solutions and things like that with, like you said, the supplier that will supply the commercial vehicle battery. We believe that even though we're not using the same part, the same component as was your question, we are still building very much a path towards the maturity of the commercial component.

Savi Syth (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)

Makes sense. I appreciate that. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Johann Bordais (CEO)

Thank you, Rocco. And thanks everyone who joined the call today. As you can see, we accomplished several important milestones this past quarter. We're fully. This meeting is no longer being transcribed. This meeting is no longer being recorded. I'd like to thank you all on our progress throughout the next few quarters, and we look forward to meeting you all in the upcoming events we're going to attend. As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me or to my team. Thanks, and have a great day. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.