Eve Holding - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 2025 reflected heavier development spend and a larger net loss as Eve accelerated engineering, supplier engagement, and prototype work; net loss was $64.7M, R&D $45.7M, SG&A $8.2M, and cash consumption $56.9M while cash ended at $242.7M and total liquidity reached $375.5M.
• Eve announced its first firm order (Revo/OHI) for up to 50 eVTOLs plus TechCare services (~$250M potential value), began collecting PDPs, and added Beta to its propulsion suppliers, preserving design optionality and program agility.
• The first flight of the full-scale engineering prototype is now expected “in the next few months” and toward the end of the year, with five conforming prototypes planned for certification and Means of Compliance targeted by year-end; certification remains targeted for 2027.
• Relative to estimates, revenue was in line with pre‑revenue expectations ($0), while EPS missed Wall Street consensus (actual roughly −$0.21 vs −$0.16*)—primarily due to higher R&D and a non‑cash warrant liability mark‑to‑market of $9.5M. Values retrieved from S&P Global*.
• Near‑term stock narrative catalysts: firm order conversion and PDPs, supplier optionality with Beta, liquidity sufficiency through 2026, and milestone timing clarity (first flight and certification path).

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• First binding framework agreement: Revo/OHI for up to 50 aircraft plus TechCare services (~$250M potential); “this firm order means that we'll begin to collect pre‑delivery payment”.
• Supplier strategy strengthened: Eve “bringing Beta Company to complement our suppliers list,” adding propulsion flexibility and FAA‑experienced partner; “Nidec and Beta are complementary”.
• Ecosystem traction and backlog: Preorder backlog ~2,800 aircraft (~$14B list value), 14 TechCare customers (~$1.6B potential), and 21 Vector customers, demonstrating multi‑product adoption.

What Went Wrong

• EPS miss and larger net loss driven by higher R&D and derivative mark: net loss $64.7M; R&D $45.7M YoY increase; $9.5M non‑cash warrant mark—pressuring EPS relative to consensus.
• Cash use stepped up sequentially: operations consumed $56.9M in Q2 vs $25.3M in Q1—reflecting timing of payables and accelerated program activity.
• Timeline nuance: first flight framed as “in the next few months” and toward year‑end; conforming prototypes and certification work continue, implying tight execution schedule to maintain a 2027 certification target.

Transcript

Speaker 7

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Eve Air Mobility Second Quarter 2025 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. You may register to ask questions by pressing the star and one on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw your question by pressing star two. Please note this call is being recorded, and I will be standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Lucio Aldworth, Director of Investor Relations at Eve Holding Inc. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. This is Lucio Aldworth, the Director of Investor Relations at Eve, and I wanted to welcome everyone to our Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Our CEO, Johann Bordais, and CFO, Eduardo Couto, are joining me on the call today, and after their prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions, at which point Luiz Valentini, our Chief Technical Officer, will join us for more technical questions. We have a deck with a few slides and additional pictures that show our achievements in the quarter, as well as the testing phase of our full-scale prototype. The deck is on our site at ir.eveairmobility.com, so please feel free to download and follow it along. Let me first mention that today's conference call includes statements about events or circumstances that have not yet occurred.

These are largely based on our current expectations and projections about future events and financial trends affecting our business and our future financial performance. These forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause financial results to differ substantially from those expressed or implied in this conference call, and we undertake no obligation to update publicly or revise any forward-looking statements because of new information, future events, or other factors. For a more detailed list of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our SEC filings available on our website. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to our CEO, Johann.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Lucio. Good morning to all, and welcome to our Second Quarter 2025 Conference Call. We had a very exciting second quarter with several important developments, and we continue to advance our program development. In a nutshell, and we will talk about it in more detail in the call, we unveiled our full-scale mockup at the Betashare show in June with a new propeller configuration. We also announced our first firm order and signed additional LOIs. Last but not least, we are announcing today that we are bringing Beta Company to complement our suppliers' list. Beta comes in with a proven and mature solution to the distributed propulsion of the eVTOL with the same lift and cruise aircraft configuration, and this will give Eve operating flexibility and optionality in our program. Our schedule remains unchanged, with expected type certification and entry into service in 2027.

Starting with slide two, our eVTOL continues to advance, and we redesigned the wing with a more aerodynamic profile for a more efficient cruise. We are now offering a taxi-wheeled version of the aircraft to facilitate ground operation and taxiing in congested landing sites. The DNA of our eVTOL is unchanged, with eight lifters and a pusher, designed for short routes and a pilot and four passengers. Flying should be very simple with a single pilot control side stick, supported by Embraer's fifth generation of the fly-by-wire. This is a proven technology that improves passenger comfort and safety. Now, slides three and four show a few pictures of our full-scale mockup that was unveiled at the Betashare show last June. This is a true representation of our commercial aircraft and features comfortable full-flex configuration seating for four passengers with a 32-inch pitch and external baggage compartment.

This makes it ideal for short urban flights up to 60 miles, including trips to and from airports. The reception from customers, partners, government officials, and also stakeholders was extremely positive, reflecting the strong interest and the support to our vehicle design and attributes, which clearly demonstrate our aviation and certification DNA. Now, moving to slide five, I am very happy to bring here our first LOI conversion of the letter of intent into a firm order from Revo. This is a helicopter operator with active helicopter airport shuttle and point-to-point operation.

Speaker 7

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Speaker 1

As a reminder, São Paulo is the largest and busiest helicopter market in the world, with over 400 aircraft and more than 2,000 daily flights. The city offers a great potential market for eVTOLs, and Revo will launch operations in the São Paulo region with our aircraft. We're very proud of this partnership. Besides that, Revo also signed a contract for our Eve Tech Care aftermarket services. In total, the contract for 50 aircraft and services has a total potential value of $250 million. We expect that to start producing revenues in 2027. This firm order means that we'll begin to collect pre-delivery payment. This will bring cash in the door and help to fund the assembly of the aircraft.

We are going to collect a substantial amount of PDPs until the delivery date, very much in line with market practices, but for competitive reasons, we are not disclosing other specific terms of this contract. Slide six shows two additional LOIs we signed during the quarter for a total of 104 eVTOLs. These are two new customers with services in Brazil, the United States, and Costa Rica, who are also subscribing to the Eve Tech Care services, so they do appreciate the value proposition of our product and aftermarket offering. This is actually a great way to introduce the next slide. On slide seven, it shows the total pre-order backlog that now stands at approximately 2,800 aircraft for a total value close to $14 billion based on the list price. This now includes non-binding letters of intent from 28 different customers, as well as the firm order from Revo.

These orders are from over nine countries and different businesses, from mainlines to regional airlines, helicopter operators, ride-sharing platforms, and leasing companies. Because maintenance and support guarantees the proper aircraft operation, we are highly focused on providing the best-in-class services and support to eVTOLs operators. Therefore, we have also secured contracts with 14 different customers for our Eve Tech Care suite of aftermarket products, which could bring up to $1.6 billion in revenue to Eve over the first few years of operations. Importantly, Eve Tech Care customers have placed LOIs to service around 1,100 aircraft, or about 40% of our pre-order book. As you can see, we also have 21 different customers for our air traffic management solution called Vector, and I believe this reflects the market-leading value proposition we bring to our customers.

Beyond that, together with our customers and authorities, we're also developing a strong network of partners in different areas, such as infrastructure and energy, to address one of the many challenges ahead for the Urban Air Mobility, which is to create a whole new ecosystem besides simply developing an aircraft. Now, going to slide eight and nine, you can see our more recent program advancement. Our full-scale engineering prototype is undergoing the last set of ground tests before it initiates its flight campaign. You may remember that we have already tested and installed the pusher motor a few months back, and after extensive tests on the lifters at the facilities of our suppliers, we have now started installing the first units. In fact, the top picture here shows the propeller spinning on its first test on the prototype. We are scheduled to receive the remaining motors shortly.

In parallel, we signed with Beta an agreement to test their propulsion electrical motors on our prototype. Nitech continues committed and involved with our eVTOL, and they bring engineering and production expertise. While Beta comes in with a startup mindset and adds agility to our program with a proven and tested track record of lift and cruise eVTOL flights, along with their strong relationship with FAA. As always, we're looking for the most optimal possible design when it comes to safety, performance, reliability, and cost effectiveness to deliver the most competitive aircraft to our customers. In that sense, Nitech and Beta are complementary to our eVTOL design. With that, we expect to start flying our prototype in the next few months. Lastly, as I mentioned earlier, we unveiled at the Betashare show our full-scale mockup with a new rotor configuration. The rotor now features four blades.

This is a design that generates less vibration and is quieter than the previous configuration. The blades have a fixed pitch and a mechanism to align the blades to reduce aerodynamic drag during the cruise phase of the flight. We also have a few pictures of our truck-mounted rig testing in real condition the aerodynamic drag of this new rotor setup. As you can see, the blades are all aligned, and this rig helps us to define our load analysis on the entire motor, propellers, rig, and validate the new blade configuration. Now, on slide ten, you can see the progress of the final stage of testing the motors for our engineering prototype.

As a reminder, the lifters were tested at the Nitech facilities for power output, energy consumption, vibration, noise emission, among other metrics, and upon satisfactory results, they were installed into their respective nacelle, integrated into the system that controls them, and finally spun on the eVTOL for the first time. We are going to follow a similar protocol with the Beta motors that will still arrive and should be ready to fly in the next few months. On slide eleven, we updated our list of primary system and component suppliers currently engaged, including Beta. We follow a best-of-breed approach and select partners with aviation experience and that can support our certification efforts. We are very proud of all members of this list, and I'm confident that we will have the best eVTOL in the market available to the operators with a great design, high dispatchability, and industry-level operating cost.

Now, I would like to invite our CFO, Edu, to go over our financials along with a checklist for our 2025 milestones.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Johann. Now moving to slide thirteen, Eve is a pre-operational company, and our financials reflect mostly the costs associated with our program development. That said, I would like to highlight some of our numbers. Eve invested $55 million during the second quarter in our program development, including our eVTOL, the Tech Care service and support solutions, and Vector, our urban air traffic management software. We continue to accelerate our program development with more engineers from Eve and Embraer, as well as higher engagement with suppliers. That explains the higher R&D expenses in the quarter. We also deployed around $8 million in SG&A during the second quarter. Including R&D and SG&A, Eve reported a net loss of $64 million in the second quarter of 2025. We also recognized a charge related to the fair value of our outstanding warrants as the value of our shares increased in the quarter.

Importantly, this is a non-cash expense and does not impact our cash flow or liquidity position. Now, moving to cash flow, our operations consumed $57 million in the quarter. This is almost twice the cash consumed in the first quarter, which had a temporary working capital gain as one of our invoices of around $15 million from Embraer is lifted to the second quarter. Still, the $83 million consumed in the first six months of the year can be considered as a normalized level for our current development stage. We continue comfortable with our guidance for the full year of $200 million to $250 million, which reflects our financial discipline advantages of using Embraer's engineering team, as well as our increased efforts in the program development.

Finally, on liquidity, we ended the second quarter with $242 million in cash, including an additional disbursement of the credit line with the Brazilian Development Bank of $11 million. These standby facilities continue to help Eve to preserve a solid cash position throughout the year. The total liquidity of $375 million at the end of the quarter includes our cash, all undrawn standby facilities, as well as a $50 million grant we announced during the quarter. We view our liquidity as sufficient to sustain our operations through 2026. Now, going to slide thirteen, we remain on track to deliver our milestones this year. As Johann detailed earlier, our first full-scale prototype is concluding the final tests and installations to start to perform its initial flights in the next few months. We now expect the first flight towards the end of the year.

As similar to Nitech, we also perform tests with the Beta motors in our engineering prototype in the upcoming months before the first flight. In parallel, we continue in talks with ANAC to detail the means of compliance, which are the specific tests that need to be conducted during the certification campaign. We expect those to be published by the end of the year, at which point we'll be able to begin our certification campaign. We continue highly engaged with suppliers working on the initial parts of our conforming prototypes. In parallel, the site to assemble these aircraft is starting to receive the necessary equipment and tooling. Lastly, our cash consumption in the year, despite the better first semester, should stay in the guidance of $200 million to $250 million, probably closer to the low end of the range.

With that, we conclude our remarks, and I would like to open the call for questions. Operator, please proceed.

Speaker 7

Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star and one on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw your question by pressing star two. Once again, to ask a question, please press the star and one on your telephone keypad. We will take our first question from Savanthi Nipunika Prelis-Syth with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 0

Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe a first one for Edu, just on a kind of housekeeping side. Just on the cash consumption, Edu, you're progressing well right now, especially maybe tracking below that $200 million to $250 million. You also do have the grants that you got recently. Is it fair to assume that it'll be close to the lower end and maybe below, and you can consider the grants as well?

Speaker 8

Hey, hi, Savanthi. We continue to monitor our expenses very closely. We are very diligent where we spend our money, and we make sure we leverage all the resources that we have from Embraer so that we don't need to duplicate costs. With that, we have been able to optimize our expenses. In the first half, we burn around $85 million, a little less than $85 million. The second half should be a little more. That's the reason we are guiding towards the end of the low end of the range, maybe $200 million, maybe slightly below. You know there's a lot of investment on the development. We're going to continue to advance. We're going to be doing a lot of tests. We're excited. I believe we are leveraging more from Embraer, and because of that, we have been able to optimize our cash consumption.

Speaker 0

Very helpful. Thank you, Edu. Maybe if I can ask on the engineering flight testing, it looks like maybe it's slipping a little bit, you know, now late 2025, early 2026, which is not surprising. You also mentioned kind of moving forward with building certification-conforming aircraft, but I'm guessing those are just building the kind of the long-range components. How long do you think you need to fly the engineering prototype before you kind of finalize the design and can really start assembling the certification aircraft?

Speaker 2

Savvy, this is Luiz Valentini. With respect to the flight of the conforming prototypes, we are still planning that for next year, towards the end of next year also. We still have time to perform the conforming flight test prototype campaign, which is composed of a development phase and also a certification phase, leading us to certification still in 2027. This engineering prototype plan and development is parallel to this path of developing the conforming prototypes with this schedule I mentioned, leading to the certification in 2027.

Speaker 0

Edu, can I ask, are the kind of the design changes reflected in this engineering prototype, or is that what kind of go directly onto the certification aircraft that you're building?

Speaker 2

At this point, we don't have any significant changes with respect to this testing that Edu and Johann mentioned in the beginning of the call. The other modifications, such as optimization on the wings and things like that, are already part of the engineering prototype configuration. They're not on the, I'm sorry, on the conforming prototype configuration. They're not on the engineering prototype because this is a vehicle that is already assembled. These most recent changes are not on them, which for us is not significant because, as we mentioned before, this engineering prototype helps us to calibrate our models and helps us in estimates. It doesn't have the same configuration as the conforming prototypes.

Speaker 0

Understood. Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andres Juan Sheppard-Slinger with Kantor. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Congrats on the quarter. Thanks for taking our questions. Hi, Johann. Hi, Edu. And hi, Lucio. Congrats on the unveiling of the aircraft and on the first binding order. Certainly exciting there. Quick question, just maybe following up on Savvy's question regarding the test flight campaign. Maybe a different way of asking is, can you just maybe give us a sense of kind of how you're envisioning this ramping up, starting with hover flights and then what are the plans to ramp up the test flight campaign? Is the plan still to deploy five prototypes for conforming test flights? If so, what's the timeline for that? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks, Andres. The plan is still the same. Starting from the end of your question, we're still planning the five prototypes. There's still some discussion on the amount of the, you know, test points that will be on each one and if we should bring in another six prototypes. That's still something that may change in the future, but we're still planning to go with the five prototypes and the timeline we had previously. With respect to the steps on the flight test campaign, we are still very much in line with the concept of building maturity on the building blocks we have for the vehicle.

We will definitely spend some time focusing on the hover flight of the vehicle since this is one of the building blocks on which we don't have as much previous experience in comparison to others, such as cruise flight, where we bring the experience of Embraer in previous projects. We will spend some time focusing on hover flight, and that relates to the controllability of the vehicle, the power needed, the management of the systems, temperatures, power, things like that. Transition between hover and cruise is also an important phase. It's a very short one for the vehicle, but it's very important that it's executed smoothly, both in terms of, let's say, technical aspects, but also for the comfort and the user experience of the passengers. Finally, after that, move to cruise, where again we believe we have more maturity based on previous experience of other projects.

Speaker 4

Got it. Super, super helpful. I appreciate that color. Maybe just as a quick follow-up, if I may, just regarding the order book, curious on kind of how you're thinking about it. Is the plan to continue to build up the order book? Is it to begin converting some of those LOIs into binding orders? Should we expect any PDPs from the order book? Any granularity there or thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Johann, it's good to hear, Andres. Thank you. Thank you for your comment and about the unveiling of the mockup at the Betashare show. The order book is definitely what we've been working in the beginning. We work on this order book with the LOI because we wanted to put the customer, the operator, at the center of what we do. I've been saying this before. This really proves the solution that we're giving to the operators, not only the aircraft, but also the service and support. Make sure they can operate reliably. They can also make sure that they fly, they keep flying on a regular basis, and have the most optimal operating cost. Also, you know, UATM is around the corner.

We can begin with what we have today in the traffic management, but eventually, putting thousands of vehicles in the air and the low altitude airspace will need this. I think customers understand this and they want to engage. That's why it starts with LOI. Basically, it says that, you know, we're working together. We're defining the solution together. They participate in steering co with us, where we give them regular feedback and how the product development and also the service and support solutions that we're developing for them. Naturally, you know, as you go forward and you get closer to the certification date, then we start converting. It is exactly what happened with Revo. I think this is important for them to prepare the entry into service. This is, you know, why we're two years away from the entry into service. The ecosystem needs to be ready.

With this contract, they can go back to the different stakeholders and say, "Okay, now this is real. This is happening." My, you know, my first PDPs. Eve is developing this vehicle, and we need to be ready. We're not looking to add them necessarily. We add only when it makes sense, when we have the right partner with the right mission. This is what we've been working on. Of course, once we start to convert the first one, we'll also have, and if you pay attention to the press release we did at the Betashare show, it says, you know, São Paulo area, right? This is the launch customer for São Paulo. You can imagine that we're already working with other customers in Brazil, but also the United States, to convert other LOI.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thanks, Johann. Very, very clear. Appreciate that. Congrats on all the recent momentum. I'll pass it on.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Adam.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ellen Dionysia Page with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 0

Hi, guys. Thanks for the question. I just wanted to touch on some of the changes in the competitive landscape. Joby Aviation and Blade announced that Joby Aviation would acquire Blade's passenger business earlier this week. How do you think about how that impacts your competitive dynamic and your positioning, especially given Blade had been part of your $2.8 million LOIs? That combined with your partnership with Beta Company, how do you envision the ecosystem developing from here?

Speaker 1

Yeah. Hello, Ellen. We welcome very much this news about, you know, Joby investing in Blade. I think this is exactly proving our point, what we've been saying since the beginning, that there is this transition happening in the electrification of the vertical flights from the helicopter to eVTOL, and this is a proof of it. We're excited. We think it's good news because this is what we've been preaching. It's just getting together. There's room for everyone. Joby going and getting a platform, a ride-sharing platform, is positive for all the eVTOL manufacturers. We don't see, and there's a special point. I mean, we don't see that, you know, it's going to take, it's going to take out, you know, our backlog with the 200 vehicles that we have. We have a good relationship with Blade, and it's the ride-sharing platform, remember?

I mean, it's like, and I'm going to make a joke a little bit here, but it's like, you know, Uber asking their drivers to drive only Toyotas, right? I mean, it's just that you need all the OEMs. You need various OEMs for the right mission. Each of the eVTOL has its mission, and same thing for the helicopter. They're multi-OEM. Blade is a multi-OEM today, and we don't see it as an issue today for us.

Speaker 0

Great. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Speaker 7

Thank you. We will move next with Austin Nathan Moeller with Concorde. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hello, good morning. My first question here, what is the difference in performance between the motor that's being acquired from Beta Company and the one that you were using in testing previously? Are you still sourcing a battery pack from BAE Systems, or is that going to change?

Speaker 2

Hi, Austin. With respect to the battery, nothing changes there. We're still developing with BAE Systems and still on the same requirements, same products, same line we were before. On the differences between the motors from Nitech and from Beta Company, there are mainly differences with respect to the cooling system. For example, there's a little bit on the architecture of the motor. The size of the motor is a little bit different between the two solutions. The control is different, and there's some differences in the way that it integrates into the vehicle, how it communicates, and how some of the protections are made. Basically, these are differences that we believe warrant us a phase of testing so we can, with these differences, find what is best for the vehicle as a whole. We optimize the global solution based on these differences that the systems bring to us.

By doing this step, we are looking for a solution that is best for the vehicle overall. That's why we believe this phase of testing will increase our maturity moving forward for the flight test campaign.

Speaker 3

Are you able to comment on the tip speed of the new rotor blades? Do you expect additional design changes to the aircraft before building the conforming units for ANAC to evaluate?

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's a very good point because the tip, the blade tip speed is one of the main parameters that dictates the noise that is emitted by the vehicle, which again is one of the important characteristics of the vehicle when we think of bringing them into urban areas. The way we relate to the community is where the vehicles will be operated, right? This change of motors that we are testing doesn't affect the tip speed. We're maintaining the requirement for tip speed so that we maintain the level of noise of the vehicle and keep that at a level that is low enough not to significantly impact the areas where we'll be operating. In that sense, there is no change.

Just completing your question with respect to changes that will be brought to the conforming prototypes, of course, we will bring any learnings that we believe are relevant through this phase of testing with the engineering prototype to the certification vehicle and to the vehicle that will go into service. One of the objectives is to bring these solutions that we optimize into this vehicle as much as we can to the vehicle that will be certified and go into service.

Speaker 3

Great, thank you for filling me in.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Our next question comes from Marcelo Garaldi Motta with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. It's just one. It's regarding, you know, capital needs. You mentioned that you feel very comfortable until the end of 2026. As you mentioned in previous calls, you have been exploring the options for 2027. You guys have this shelf registration that was filed during the quarter to raise money. The sector had been doing pretty well. I am just wondering if you can comment anything about that or how you see the current state of the sector and what else do you think could improve or what are the current risks and what type of the risks would you be expecting to be more optimistic about the outlook for the eVTOL? That's it. Thank you.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Motta, for the question. It's Edu here. We continue to feel very good, right, in terms of cash. Only the cash we have in hand gives us more than around 18 months, right? We have plenty of cash to get at the end of 2026. If you add the standby facilities we have already signed, the recent grant that we raised, that gives us probably, you know, we're talking about almost $400 million, which gives us two full years, right? Probably until, I would say, mid-2027. The position is good. We still need some resources, right, to get certification. We have different options, right? You mentioned the S-3, the shelf registration we have, but we also have interesting discussions in terms of long-term loans, right? Similar facilities to what we already, you know, have been drawing from BNDES and also from Citibank.

I have, different from some other players, right, given the strength of the group, right, being part of the Embraer group, we have, I would say, more options in terms of funding. We are analyzing. We are not in a hurry, but, you know, we need to assess the best option and execute at the right time.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Edu.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andre Madrid with BTIG. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Quick one on the eVTOL landscape. We've seen a number of partnerships between eVTOL names and defense contractors emerge for the development of defense use cases. Could we see Eve pursuing similar partnerships?

Speaker 1

Andre, yeah, this is Johann. I'm sorry, I got mixed up with the microphone here. You know, since the beginning of Eve, it's a matter of focus, and we're really working on the UAM. It's the 100 to 150-kilometer market we see. By the way, we released our market outlook at the Betashare show, and we were the first OEM to put our experience out there and all the discussion that we've been having with all the stakeholders. We do confirm that we believe that the UAM will go for urban, dense, polluted area, and this is also Revo is confirming what we're saying. It's a matter of focus. At the same time, we always look, and this is also one of the advantages of having Embraer, you know, that can bring the technology development, analysis, and all the bandwidth to look at different technologies.

We're looking at the possibility of getting into a hybrid solution for the vehicle, not changing the core structure of the vehicle, and for specific markets. Defense could be one of them, but to remind you that we do have an LOI with BAE Systems, and which also looking at different markets as defense, whether it's in the U.S. or in the U.K. Yes, we are looking into this, but the focus is still to be certifying the vehicle that we're offering fully electrical.

Speaker 4

Got it. Very helpful. I'll leave it to Johann. Thanks so much.

Speaker 7

Thank you. This will conclude our Q&A session. I will now turn the call over to Lucio Aldworth for closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Nicky, and thanks, everyone, who joined the call today. As you can see, we accomplished several important milestones in the past quarter. We're fully engaged, moving fast, and there is a whole lot more to come in the next few quarters. We are going to keep updating you guys on our progress throughout the next few quarters, and we look forward to meeting you in the upcoming events we are going to attend. As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me or to my team. Thanks, and have a great day. Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thank you. This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.