Fluent - Earnings Call - Q2 2025

Executive Summary

• Q2 2025 revenue was $44.7M, down 24% YoY; Commerce Media Solutions (CMS) grew 121% to $16.1M and reached 36% of total revenue, but Owned & Operated (O&O) declined 49%, driving consolidated weakness.
• Against Wall Street consensus, revenue missed by ~$8.0M while EPS beat: Revenue consensus was $52.7M*, actual $44.7M; EPS consensus was -$0.285*, actual -$0.24. The miss was driven by O&O media supply and pricing volatility on biddable platforms; EPS outperformed on lower operating expense and interest expense.
• Guidance shifted: management now expects adjusted EBITDA positive in Q4 2025, and full-year double-digit revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA profitability in 2026—replacing prior 2025 full-year adjusted EBITDA positive commentary.
• Strategic catalysts: CMS annual revenue run rate >$80M (up 23% QoQ), expanded partnership with Authentic Brands Group, Shopify ecosystem entry via Rebuy Engine, and post-quarter $10.3M financing to support scaling and liquidity.

Values retrieved from S&P Global*.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• “We saw continued strong performance from our Commerce Media Solutions business with revenue growth of 121% year-over-year… We expect margins to normalize over time as we continue to expand our list of top-tier media partners” — CEO Don Patrick.
• CMS run rate exceeded $80M (+23% QoQ), with 36% of consolidated revenue in Q2, showing sequential mix shift toward CMS.
• Expanded partnerships: 15 new partners added since the beginning of Q2; portfolio-level expansion with Authentic Brands Group; Rebuy Engine partnership opens access to 12,000+ Shopify brands.

What Went Wrong

• O&O revenue fell 49% YoY to $21.4M, driven by volatility and pricing spikes on biddable platforms and reduced media supply; regulatory headwinds continue to constrain profitable media buying.
• CMS media margin compressed to 20.0% from 30.4% YoY due to early-term contract incentives and new placement expansion beyond post-transaction; management expects margins to return to “high twenties” over time.
• Consolidated revenue declined 24% YoY; media margin dollars fell 24% YoY; adjusted EBITDA remained negative ($2.8M), despite sequential improvement.

Transcript

Speaker 4

Good afternoon and welcome. Thank you for joining us to discuss Fluent's second quarter 2025 earnings results. With me today are Fluent's Chief Executive Officer, Don Patrick, Chief Financial Officer, Ryan Perfit, and Chief Strategy Officer, Ryan Schulke. Our call today will begin with the comments from Don and Ryan Perfit, followed by a question and answer session. I would like to remind you that this call is being webcast live and recorded. A replay of the event will be available following the call on Fluent's website. To access the webcast, please visit the Investor Relations page at www.fluentco.com. Before we begin, I would like to advise listeners that certain information discussed by management during this conference call will contain forward-looking statements covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Any forward-looking statements made during this call speak only as of the date hereof. Actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by such forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business. These statements may be identified by words such as expects, plans, projects, could, will, and estimates, and other words of similar meaning. The company undertakes no obligation to update the information provided on this call. For a discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with Fluent's business, we encourage you to review the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. During the call, management will also present certain non-GAAP financial information relating to media margin, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted net income.

Management evaluates the financial performance of the company's business on a variety of indicators, including these non-GAAP metrics. A definition of these metrics and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in the earnings press release issued earlier today. With that, I'm pleased to introduce Fluent's CEO, Don Patrick. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good afternoon. Thank you all for joining our call today. I'm here together with Ryan Schulke, our Chief Strategy Officer and Company Co-Founder, and Ryan Perfit, our Chief Financial Officer. As we projected during our last earnings call, our second quarter consolidated financial results continue to reflect the investment we've made over the last 30 months to shift our mix into the commerce media growth strategies. While this has created expected difficult consolidated comps for our business as expected, we are executing a very intentional strategy that we are confident will build a more valuable business. We are approaching a tipping point, where in the second half of 2025, we believe we will begin seeing the financial impact of our Commerce Media Solutions business as the revenue and gross profit mix shift begins to show in the consolidated Fluent financials.

Our Q2 consolidated financial results were as follows: revenue of $44.7 million, representing a 19% decline versus Q1 of 2025. Our media margin of $11.9 million was a decrease of 13% versus Q1 2025. An adjusted EBITDA of -$2.8 million, representing a $0.3 million improvement versus Q1 2025. Our positive commerce media revenue growth trend in the quarter was not yet enough to offset our owned and operated marketplace decline of 31% quarter over quarter, exacerbated by strong regulatory headwinds, one of our key strategic motivators behind our shift to the mixed strategy. We expect commerce media to become the majority of our revenue as we move into 2026. To be clear, owned and operated remains core to our long-term growth strategy, albeit with a much tighter nucleus.

While we continue to reduce our strategic reliance on owned and operated, it represents the strong brand equity we built in the marketplace over the last decade that is still highly leveragable by our commerce media business. Put simply, owned and operated provides an essential operational and capability platform that our competitors can't rival, which acts as a springboard for our commerce media marketplace expansion. The cash flow our owned and operated business generates fuels our long-term growth strategies. That said, the key driver to our business trajectory right now is the growth in Commerce Media Solutions. We fundamentally believe we are creating a differentiated commerce media business that represents a transformational pivot for Fluent while delivering a competitive advantage in a rapidly growing, higher gross profit marketplace.

As of June 30, 2025, our commerce media revenue grew 121% compared to the prior year, representing 36% of our consolidated revenue, and has surpassed an annual revenue run rate of $80 million, over a 20% sequential increase from Q1. As we continue to expand our model and grow market share based on the consumer value we are creating for our clients and advertisers, we are on a decided path to deliver sustainable growth with margins that are accretive to our core business. To support the strategic pivot we are executing, today we announced over $10 million equity financing with a high-quality and diversified group of fundamental investors who are also joined by insiders. This financing bolsters our balance sheet and will fuel the growth of profitability.

We appreciate the support of such a solid group of investors who got to know us, became confident in our strategy and growth trajectory. I just want to take a minute to stand back and remind everyone the market opportunity that we are going after. Commerce media is projected to grow over $100 billion over the next five years and is expected to account for 25% of all digital media spend in 2026. This is a considerably larger market opportunity than our legacy owned and operated marketplace business, and the growth we are seeing in the commerce media segment reflects how we are squarely positioned as a leader in this quickly growing marketplace.

In Q2, Commerce Media Solutions revenue grew 121% year over year while increasing its percent of consolidated enterprise revenue from virtually zero two years ago to now account for 36% of our consolidated revenue as we aggressively established Fluent's equity in the commerce media marketplace. Its impact on Fluent's consolidated annual financials was actually partially masked by the seasonality-driven lower marketplace volume that is reflective of the retail vertical. As such, its growth was not yet enough to offset the decline in our still larger owned and operated marketplace business, where revenue and media margins continue to be negatively impacted by the volatility of media costs on the biddable media platforms, which affect our ability to buy media at scale at acceptable margins. We will more aggressively shift the mix to commerce media in the second half as we onboard new partners and continue to scale our marketplace.

In turn, our shareholders will begin to see the financial momentum behind our strategic pivot, and that momentum will carry into fiscal year 2026. Importantly, our strategic premise continues to be validated by the staple of iconic brands who are choosing to partner with us. We are energized by the world-class brands that continue to engage us in partnership, as we added 15 new partners to our Commerce Media Solutions platform since the beginning of Q2 that will provide long-term dividends. This growing list of partners recognizes the fundamental value we are creating in building consumer loyalty, as we are consistently exceeding their revenue and advertiser return on ad spend expectations. As one example, subsequent to the quarter, we expanded our relationship with Authentic Brands Group, a leading sports, lifestyle, and entertainment brand owner generating more than $32 billion in global retail sales.

This expanded relationship supports additional brands like Reebok, Champion, and more. Also, our recently announced strategic partnership with Rebuy Engine, a leading e-commerce personalization platform for Shopify brands, has opened an expansive network of over 12,000 active e-commerce brands on the Shopify ecosystem, which is a new channel for us. That execution is progressing as planned, but the strategic partnership also creates an oasis of upside as we cultivate new business relationships. What's most important to the business and our shareholders is ultimately having our financial scorecard reflect our strategic wisdom. We expect to see strong momentum in the second half of the year and into 2026. Specifically, we expect that Commerce Media Solutions will continue to grow at a triple-digit rate this year and next.

These results are a testament to the investment we've made in the marketplace platform this Fluent team has built, which is validated by the world-class brand partnerships we are establishing, and that trend is accelerating. As Commerce Media scales, we expect to be adjusted EBITDA positive in Q4 and achieve positive adjusted EBITDA for the full year 2026 and beyond. I will now turn the call over to Ryan to review the financial results.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Don, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. I'll now provide a review of our second quarter results. While total revenue of $44.7 million in the second quarter of 2025 reflects a decrease of 24% from the prior year, as Don just mentioned, Commerce Media Solutions revenue grew 121% to $16.1 million, consistent with our expectation of triple-digit growth of this business for 2025. Commerce Media Solutions represents 36% of our total consolidated revenue in the second quarter of 2025, compared with just 12% in the second quarter last year. We're optimistic about the growth we're seeing in Commerce Media Solutions and believe the segment is positioned to displace our owned and operated business as the main component of our consolidated revenues before the end of the year.

Owned and operated revenue decreased approximately 49% in the quarter as our long-term strategy has shifted to focus on Commerce Media. Media margin in the second quarter was $11.9 million, which represented 26.7% of revenue, compared to $15.7 million, or 26.7% of revenue last year. Our Commerce Media margin in the second quarter of 2025 was $3.2 million, or 20% of Commerce Media Solutions revenue, compared with $2.2 million, or 30.4% of revenues in the second quarter of 2024. Second quarter Commerce Media margin was compressed related to flexibility around our pricing structure to remain competitive and win long-term partners and gain traction in new verticals. As we improve monetization in those new verticals and move past short-term pricing incentives, we expect media margin to return to the high 20s.

On a GAAP basis, total operating expense in the second quarter of 2025 totaled $14.9 million, compared with $18.2 million in the second quarter of 2024. Interest expense in the second quarter decreased to $0.702 million from $1 million in the prior year period. We reported a net loss of $7.2 million in the second quarter, compared with a net loss of $11.6 million in the prior year period. Net loss also improved on a sequential basis, compared to $8.3 million in the first quarter of 2025. Adjusted net loss, a non-GAAP measure, was $5.9 million, equivalent to a loss of $0.24 per share, compared with an adjusted net loss of $7.3 million, or a loss of $0.47 per share in the second quarter of 2024.

Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of 2025 was a loss of $2.8 million, compared with an adjusted EBITDA loss of $4.5 million in the second quarter of 2024. As we continue to drive our shift in revenue mix to focus more on Commerce Media Solutions, we expect adjusted EBITDA margin to improve over time. Now shifting to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $4.9 million in cash and cash equivalents and an additional $2.4 million of restricted cash. We also announced today a private placement in excess of $10 million with multiple quality new investors, as well as participation from insiders. This private placement gives us the working capital to support the continued growth of our Commerce Media business and gives us sufficient capital to reach adjusted EBITDA profitability in Q4 and for the full year of 2026 and beyond.

Our total net long-term debt was $19.9 million at June 30, 2025, compared with $31.9 million at December 31, 2024. We had an outstanding principal balance of $20 million on our credit facility with SLR Credit Solutions. This facility provides us with a $20 million term loan and a revolving credit facility of up to $30 million that matures on April 2, 2029. We will continue to strategically utilize debt as a source of capital as our business scales. We're encouraged by the progress we've made so far this year, and we believe that we're well positioned for success as we move through the back half of 2025. Commerce Media Solutions has consistently grown at triple-digit pace, and we're approaching a key inflection point where revenue from this segment is set to surpass owned and operated revenue as the main contributor to consolidated revenue.

With that shift, we expect to deliver increased revenue, enhanced margin performance, positive adjusted EBITDA, and positive cash flow for our business. With our current visibility, we expect positive adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of 2025, as well as full-year double-digit consolidated revenue growth and full-year adjusted EBITDA profitability in 2026. With that, we'll be happy to take questions at this time.

Speaker 4

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. One moment for our first question. Our first question on the conference line is from Maria Ripps from Canaccord. Your line is open.

Speaker 0

Great. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Can you maybe expand a little bit more on what drove some of the sort of steeper declines in your owned and operated segment here in Q2? Just given sort of the run rate of the business now, what are your thoughts on sort of stabilizing the segment from here?

Speaker 3

Yeah, thanks, Maria. Thanks for your question. I'll unpack it a little bit. You guys know that the owned and operated marketplace business, we've been operating for 15 years now. The first 12, we were able to drive it and grow it on a compounded average growth rate of double digits until the FTC settlement. We had very diversified media channels across a very wide group. As media moved up and down in pricing, we were able to obviously adjust that and be much more adept in terms of managing across the media channels. The FTC settlement really restricted our ability to buy in certain media channels profitably, and it was primarily on the biddable media platforms. Those biddable media platforms are even more volatile than the other channels that we're on.

If you think about it, the owned and operated, the advertiser side, the demand has stayed very, very strong. The media supply is now very, very much narrowed in terms of our diversification, and there's a lot more variability in that. We had a steep increase in pricing on those biddable media platforms that happened in the later part of Q1 and continued into Q2. We managed to margin. That business has always managed to margin. We've obviously lowered the revenue, but kept the margin percentage in line as we manage it. It's a combination of the volatility of those biddable media platforms, but equally important, it's our lack of diversification in those media channels right now, Maria.

Speaker 0

Got it. That's very helpful. On your Commerce Media Solutions, can you maybe talk about how your partnership with Rebuy Engine is progressing? Are you fully engaged with the majority of brands on the platform, on the Rebuy Engine platform, or maybe talk about the pace of them adopting your offerings?

Speaker 3

Sure. Yeah. We are obviously, it's still very young. We announced it in June. We're two months in, but we're very, very happy with the progress that we have there with the partnership. The teams are working well and have great cultural fit. I'd say we are ahead on the product and operational side of the partnership. We've started the partnership. It had no meaningful effect in Q2. Obviously, if it started in June, we're starting to see it show up on our staff page. It's still less than 10% of our Commerce Media volume, but there's good momentum with onboarding the merchant partners. There's a lot of acceleration in that piece. It's still very early days. We see tremendous upside in terms of accessing all of their 12,000 merchants, and equally important, the large sort of top 50 that they go after. We're very early stage here.

We think this is something that will drive not only our growth in the second half of 2025, but significantly in 2026 also.

Speaker 0

Great. Thanks so much for the call, Don.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Maria.

Speaker 4

One moment for our next question. Our next question on the conference line from the line of Patrick Sholl from Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 1

Hi. Thank you. I just wanted to follow up on the Commerce Media side. On the new agreements that you're reaching with firms, are those mostly like revenue share in nature, or are they more like minimum guarantee? I'm just kind of curious, how long should we think of these margin pressures easing? Is that just improved monetization helping and automatically lift that, or what are some of the dynamics there that should improve the margin profile?

Speaker 3

Yep. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Obviously, our margin did decline, as you saw in Q2 on the Commerce Media side. There are really three things that are driving that. The first is that we have launched into some adjacent Commerce Media Solutions that are very early stage that we are starting to scale. Much like when we got first into the post-transaction side, margins were lower, but as we scaled up, those margins came back in line to where the industry's at. The first piece has been some additional solutions that we're working with existing partners on to establish and continue to build our strategic relationship. In Q3, we've already seen those margins increase significantly compared to Q2, close to doubling that. We see that opportunity, that the margins are improving from Q2 over the new solutions that we're scaling.

The second piece is, as you talked about, depending on how competitive the sales process is, we will provide some different revenue splits in a very short-term targeted way to encourage them to come on to our platform faster or some guarantees to get them to move. They hit harder in Q1 and Q2 because of the lower volume. Those are fixed dollars that over the course of the year will equal out, but when they're lower volume and lower margins, they have a bigger impact into that. That is going to continue the trend. The third one is there is tremendous upside in the Rebuy and the other channel partnerships that we are working on, but they tend to have slightly lower margins than the enterprise side. Those are the three moving pieces in there.

As we head into Q in the second half here, Pat, we have significant new enterprise clients coming on. The new enterprise solutions that we're excited about, and we'll talk more about later this year, obviously is starting to scale back up to the margins. We see us getting back to historical margins in the Q4 timeframe.

Speaker 1

Okay. On the new solutions, does that change some of the, I guess, advertiser relationships that you've had to have, or have you had to find additional advertising partners to digest that inventory?

Speaker 3

For the most part, the same advertising group. There might be a different concentration or mix depending on the solution. Obviously, one of the benefits of the owned and operated marketplace business is we used a lot of the advertiser relationships to launch into Commerce Media Solutions, and then we were able to use those advertisers from both to launch and continue to have that strong demand in our newer solutions also.

Speaker 1

Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3

All right. Thanks, Ben.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Once again, that's star 101 for questions, star 101. Our next question on the conference line, William Dezellem from Titan Capital Management. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. I have a group of questions. First of all, would you please discuss the new placements beyond post-transaction that you referenced in the press release?

Speaker 3

Hi, Bill. Thanks for the question. We've talked about this in other earnings releases, and we've sort of hinted at exciting opportunities that we were being asked to move into with our partners that we have now. We've talked about a loyalty play, which allows us to really bring our Commerce Media post-transaction technology and solution into a loyalty play to help retain existing customers of our partners. We have a couple of opportunities there that we're building. In general, what I'll call post-event, so other things like post-receipt or post-registration, we're helping our Commerce partners monetize within those other consumer experiences. It is still pretty early days on those, but obviously, there are very large, big opportunities beyond post-transaction that we think is a very strong roadmap for continued growth.

Speaker 5

Don, would you like to expand on the post-transaction and how that might work and practically kind of how we could envision that?

Speaker 3

Yeah. The post-receipt is much like the post-transaction, Bill. As a consumer goes in and is going through the flow of getting a receipt, there's an ad module that will pop up. They'll be very targeted based on our data and our one-to-one marketing of what the next most relevant ad is. From that perspective, it's very similar to the consumer flow and a consumer experience that we have now. The only difference, obviously, is in the post-transaction, that consumer has its credit card out, they're purchasing, and they are obviously a much more engaged consumer than if it's a post-receipt or post-registration or things like that. They're still, you have to get, they're not as intended as a post-transaction consumer.

On the loyalty side that we talked about, it's actually quite exciting where instead of serving up an ad for, for example, Hulu's streaming services to one of the consumers, we will bring offers to them to bring loyalty currency, whatever that partner is, to allow them to win currency, coins, or points, or scorecard points, etc. It allows them to obviously use that back into the loyalty program of our partners. It does two things. One is it turns loyalty into a weapon rather than a lost statement for our partners. It allows us to really help them drive consumer engagement and higher loyalty throughout that. These are still very early stages. We have a small handful of clients that we're scaling with. From an external perspective, we know the demand and the need is there. Our solution can drive that pretty successfully and move this to scale.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. I believe in prior press releases, you may have also alluded to this, but you explicitly stated it here in this release that your first-party data differentiates you from competitors in this market. Would you please discuss how that becomes important and the implications from, I guess, a winning of business perspective and as a shareholder, the shareholders' benefits? I guess really the question is, what's the benefit to your customer? What's the benefit to your bottom line?

Speaker 3

Right. Got it, Bill. We announced, obviously, Authentic Brands Group. We announced Rebuy. We will announce a number of other very large partnerships that are coming onto our platform over the next four to six weeks. We continue to win and win aggressively. At the very core of it, Bill, it comes down to very simply that we drive better results than our competitors, right? At the end of the day, does the consumer experience become meaningful and additive to our partners? Number two, how does it monetize and how do the results come from a financial perspective? In the two short years, we've been able to really build up a very strong brand around driving results. Underneath that results, there are really two things that drive that significantly. The first, as you mentioned, is our first-party data asset that we built over 15 years.

If you were on a website, you're purchasing sneakers, we, as you know, have milliseconds to determine who you are, what your purchasing behavior has been and will be, and how do we serve the next most relevant ad to you. Whatever amount of data that gets passed from our partner to us then goes against our Fluent identity graph. That first-party data asset allows us to better identify who you are, better understand your purchasing history and your needs, and then serve the most relevant ad to you. That, along with the second piece, which is our DNA of 15 years from our owned and operated of being a performance marketer, means we know how to work with our advertisers. We know how to understand audiences, what audiences monetize better versus others versus different offers and etc. Those are the two things that allow us to drive better results.

That first-party data asset is proprietary. Nobody else has a first-party data asset in the post-transaction space that we're working on. We believe that is our competitive advantage and competitive moat to driving better results.

Speaker 5

Just said very directly, that first-party data allows you to essentially have more of your customer's consumer convert over and take one of your ads. That means your customer makes more money, and when they make more money, so do you, since it's a revenue or profit split.

Speaker 3

Yes, basically, that's right, William.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's helpful. If you'll allow me a couple more, I realize I'm taking more than my share of time here. The Commerce Media Solutions second quarter revenue, as you stated, was $16.1 million. If you annualize that $16.1 million, that's $64 million. The press release says that your run rate exceeds $80 million. That implies to me that there's been new business won just in the last six weeks. Is that the right way to read that, or am I somehow comparing apples and oranges?

Speaker 3

Hi, Bill. This is Ryan. The annual revenue run rate, we use that metric because we believe that it better references kind of what the next 12 months would look like if we didn't grow from there. It takes into account seasonality that you wouldn't see there, but it doesn't take into account anything that happened after the end of the quarter. As of 6/30, that would count all of the media partners that we had brought on through that point and take into account their annual sessions. We then take what we earn per session and kind of annualize that over a full 12-month period. Any new partners that we add in Q3 will add to that number additionally on top of that. The difference you're seeing between Q2 and that annual number is seasonality, generally speaking.

Speaker 5

That's really helpful. Thank you. Maybe you can help me make sure I'm doing some math correctly here. You said that you anticipate having double-digit revenue growth in 2025. Last year, you had $255 million in revenue. If we take the very lowest possible double-digit number, it's 10%. 10% growth on $255 million is $280 million. If we remove what you have had for revenues in the first half, that would imply that you need another $180 million in the second half, or to split evenly, which I understand it won't be, but if it were, that'd be $90 million a quarter between Q3 and Q4. Q3 will be something less than $90 million and Q4 something greater than $90 million to hit your target. Is that the correct math in the way you're thinking about that? Because those are really massive numbers.

Speaker 3

Sorry, Bill. I think you misunderstood, we've been doing triple-digit growth in Commerce Media, and what we said on the call is that we expect to have double-digit growth in 2026 from a consolidated basis. That's 2026 over 2025.

Speaker 5

It's '26, not 2025.

Speaker 3

Correct.

Speaker 5

Basically, the math that I did will work in six months when we know what the 2025 revenues are.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 5

That's very helpful. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 4

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back over to Don Patrick for closing remarks.

Speaker 3

All right. Thank you. This month marks an incredible milestone. It's the 15th anniversary of Fluent. I just want to extend a heartfelt thank you to every team member, every partner, and every shareholder for your invaluable contributions to this journey. Over the last 15 years, we've had incredible growth and have witnessed great milestones achieved, all thanks to your dedication and your support. We remain very bullish on our agenda and excited about our momentum we've generated. We continue to lean into the significant mega opportunity in the rapidly growing Commerce Media industry, where we're expanding our strategic value proposition to world-class partners beyond customer acquisition and delivering higher quality consumer engagement across the entire marketing funnel. As our strategic trend line continues throughout the second half of 2025, we believe shareholder value will follow. Thanks, everyone, and we look forward to speaking to you again next quarter.

Speaker 4

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.