Galaxy Digital - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Q1 2025 was impacted by crypto market drawdown and Helios mining wind-down: Net loss was $295.4M and diluted EPS was $(0.86) as digital asset prices fell and a one-time $57M impairment/disposal hit for Helios mining drove losses.
• Digital Assets adjusted gross profit fell to $64.8M (−36% QoQ), while Treasury & Corporate swung to a $(392)M operating loss; Global Markets loan book averaged $874M and net interest revenue rose ~25% QoQ to ~$23M.
• Galaxy domesticated to Delaware, transitioned to U.S. GAAP, and targeted Nasdaq listing on May 16, 2025, with Q2-to-date operating income of $160–$170M and equity capital ~$2.2B as of May 12, 2025.
• Helios AI/HPC expansion: CoreWeave exercised a Phase II option for ~260MW; combined Phase I+II critical IT load ~393MW with anticipated average annual revenue ~$900M and ~90% EBITDA margins; Phase I deliveries begin 1H26, Phase II in 2027.
• EPS missed Wall Street consensus: Primary EPS consensus −$0.59 vs actual −$0.86; revenue comparisons to consensus are not meaningful given GAAP gross-up accounting; focus should shift to adjusted gross profit and operating metrics for performance tracking. Primary EPS consensus and revenue consensus values from S&P Global.*

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Institutional traction and U.S. listing catalyst: “For the first time, we’re going to be accessible to platforms like Robinhood... We’re a growth company... two vectors... crypto and AI”.
• Lending resilience and growth: Average loan book rose to ~$874M with net interest revenue of ~$23M (+25% QoQ), reflecting disciplined underwriting and healthy demand.
• Staking and distribution expansion: New integrations (e.g., Zodia) enable custodial clients to access Galaxy staking; a large U.S. wealth platform began offering BTCO, expanding distribution.
• AI/HPC platform scale: CoreWeave expanded to ~393MW critical IT load at Helios with ~90% EBITDA margins and ~$900M anticipated average annual revenue across phases.

What Went Wrong

• Crypto drawdown and Helios mining wind-down: Q1 net loss $(295.4)M; one-time ~$57M impairment/disposal costs from ending Helios mining.
• Trading softness and AOP declines: Digital asset trading volumes −20% QoQ; Digital Assets adjusted gross profit fell to $64.8M (−36% QoQ), with Treasury & Corporate operating loss of $(392)M primarily from balance sheet marks.
• Platform AOP contraction: Assets on platform fell to ~$7.0B (−29% QoQ) amid lower digital asset prices; Assets Under Stake fell −45% QoQ.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Galaxy Digital First Quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, you'll have the opportunity to ask questions during a question-and-answer session. To register to ask a question, you may press the star and one on your touch-tone telephone at any time. If you find your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Please note today's call may be recorded, and I will be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the program over to Mr. Jonathan Godowski, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Goldowsky (Head of Investor Relations)

Good morning and welcome to Galaxy's First Quarter 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that our remarks, including answers to your questions, may include forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those described in these statements as a result of various factors, including those identified in the disclaimers in our earnings release or other filings which have been filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and on CEDAR Plus. Forward-looking statements speak only as of today and will not be updated. Additionally, we may discuss references to non-GAAP metrics, the reconciliations of which can also be found in our earnings release. Finally, none of the information on this call constitutes a recommendation, solicitation, or offer by Galaxy or its affiliates to buy or sell any securities. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Galaxy.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Good morning, everyone. It's an exciting week here at Galaxy. Three minutes after midnight last night, we officially became a U.S. company. That was a long time coming. We literally look back; it was 1,317 days ago where we first filed to try to be public here in the U.S. For all of us here and for all of you investors that have been with us, there's both a sigh of relief and a great sense of excitement. Why NASDAQ and why am I so excited? Listen, the opportunity to participate in the U.S. capital markets is an exciting one. For the first time, we're going to be accessible to platforms like Robinhood and eToro and all the retail platforms that have been driving a lot of U.S. equity performance. We're also going to become eligible for inclusion in market indices like the S&P, the Russell, MSCI.

Just with the enhanced visibility, being able to actually talk about our company when I'm on CNBC, we just think it's going to drive a lot of excitement. We're a growth company, period. We've got two vectors right now: our crypto business and our AI business, and we see huge opportunities in both. We continue to hope for clear regulations coming out of D.C. I'm a little disappointed at the gridlock going on right there around crypto. We're hoping and we're working really hard to help in that legislative process. Even without the legislative process, the regulatory process, the clarity that's coming out of the SEC and CFTC is giving the whole industry a huge boost. We haven't seen this much activity from institutions in a long, long time.

I think I first mentioned the phrase, "The herd is coming," this idea that institutions would come to crypto way back in 2016 or 2015 even. I was really early, but I can tell you emphatically and categorically, the institutions are here now. They are looking at ways to get involved not just in the crypto space, but in the whole blockchain as infrastructure space. We are going to tokenize real-world assets. You're going to see equities on the blockchain. It is the dawn of a new era that is just starting. Before I pass this to Chris and Tony to talk about the guts of the quarter, I would say two things. Q1 was not a great quarter for crypto or for Galaxy. Thank goodness both the crypto markets have rebounded and our P&L has as well.

We're coming into this listing week with what we feel is great momentum and great energy. Finally, I want to thank both Dominic and Damien, who are stepping down from our board. They've been a great service to Galaxy, and we wish them well, and I'm sure they'll still be part of the Galaxy family. At that, Tony, I'm going to pass it to you for the fun stuff.

Jonathan Goldowsky (Head of Investor Relations)

Great. Thank you, Mike, and thanks, everyone, for joining our call today. Before I walk through the Q1 results, I want to take a moment to discuss an important update to our financial reporting framework that reflects the ongoing evolution of Galaxy's business. Beginning this quarter, we are transitioning from reporting financial results across our previous three operating business segments: global markets, asset management, and digital infrastructure to a new consolidated structure with two operating business segments, digital assets and data centers, and one corporate segment called treasury and corporate. This resegmentation reflects both how we operate internally today and how we believe investors can best evaluate the strategic and financial performance of our business going forward. Our digital assets segment brings together all of Galaxy's franchise crypto-related operations under one umbrella.

This segment now aligns our global markets businesses, which include our trading and investment banking activities, along with our asset management and infrastructure solutions businesses, including investment management and blockchain infrastructure offerings such as staking, tokenization, and custodial technology. These businesses increasingly operate in lockstep from how we engage with clients to how we deploy technology to how we manage our risk. We believe this reporting structure will provide the investment community with a more cohesive view into the breadth and performance of our client-facing digital asset business. Second, we have introduced a dedicated data center segment to reflect the growth and strategic importance of our plan to transform Helios into a world-class data center.

While we do not expect to generate revenue from this segment until sometime in early 2026, Galaxy is already making investments and incurring certain expenses as we retrofit the existing facility and as we prepare for further expansion of the site. We are currently capitalizing these expenses, including staffing, equipment, and certain financing costs, as they directly contribute to preparing the facilities for operational readiness. These investments are capitalized costs that will be depreciated over the asset's useful life once we begin delivering critical IT load and recognizing revenue early in 2026. Although we expect de minimis operating income from the data center segment this year, breaking it out now provides clearer visibility into how current investments are laying the foundation for future revenue and how we are allocating capital to drive long-term value across our operating businesses.

In addition to the two operating segments, we've established a new treasury and corporate segment, which captures the economic impacts from our balance sheet investments, along with other financial results not directly tied to our operating businesses, such as non-client-facing activities and certain legal costs. Due to the retirement of our mining activity at our Helios campus in Q1, which consisted of over 90% of our total mining capacity, this segment will also include our remaining Bitcoin mining operations in East Texas, which is much smaller and is now entirely proprietary in nature. Introducing this new breakout is intended to enhance transparency and provide a clearer distinction between our balance sheet activities and the performance of our core operating businesses. This new reporting framework is taking effect this quarter, and we will recast historical results in this construct available for comparison purposes. In addition, we've also moved to reporting U.S.

GAAP financials beginning this quarter, reflecting our domestication as a Delaware-incorporated company, which will streamline both our internal and external reporting processes going forward. We will no longer be reporting IFRS financials, but again, we will make U.S. GAAP quarterly results available for historical comparison purposes. One thing to note on our reported results: under U.S. GAAP, the notional value of purchases and sales of certain digital assets with clients and exchanges is required to be reported as revenue and transaction expenses on a grossed-up basis. As you'll see on page two of our earnings release, this gross-up results in a very large value for GAAP revenue and transaction expenses.

Due to this accounting treatment, we believe that adjusted gross profit, a non-GAAP measure, provides a more meaningful reflection of our revenue and financial performance, and accordingly, we will reference this metric as a primary measure for digital assets on today's call and going forward. With that, let me turn to the highlights for the quarter. As Mike mentioned, in Q1, we saw meaningful pressure across crypto markets, with Bitcoin down 12% for the quarter and Ether and Solana down between 30% and 50%. Against this backdrop, we reported a net loss of $295 million for the first quarter, driven primarily by the reduced value of our balance sheet digital asset holdings.

Our operating expenses, excluding grossed-up transaction costs, were $188 million for the quarter, and this was down approximately $143 million quarter over quarter, driven by a reduction in the G&A from the absence of a legal settlement in Q4 and partially offset by a one-time $57 million impairment charge tied to the wind-down of mining operations at Helios. Excluding one-time items, total operating expenses were roughly $130 million in the first quarter. Our equity capital remained strong at $1.9 billion as of March 31, including $1.1 billion in cash and net stablecoins. We ended the quarter with roughly $740 million of non-current investments on our balance sheet, consisting primarily of fund, private equity, and venture investments, which are marked at fair value as of March 31.

In Q1, we proactively managed our risk exposure by reducing a portion of our digital asset holdings while increasing our cash and net stablecoin position. As we embark on a multi-year, multi-billion dollar data center build, maintaining a disciplined approach to capital and liquidity management is paramount. We remain focused on managing our balance sheet in a way that supports the capital-intensive demands of the data center expansion while also ensuring we're well-positioned to meet the evolving opportunities across our digital asset businesses. Our risk management framework and deliberate approach to capital deployment enable us to invest with high conviction when we see opportunities and, just as importantly, reduce risk when and where appropriate. This approach provides us the capacity to support growth across our businesses while offering clients, counterparts, and investors the confidence to partner with Galaxy as we continue to grow.

Now, turning to our operating business results, starting with digital assets. Our digital assets segment generated approximately $65 million in adjusted gross profit and $3.5 million in operating income in the first quarter. As previewed on our Q4 earnings call, our trading business experienced strong client demand in January but faded into February, leading to a slowdown in activity and a softening of trading revenue, particularly in the latter half of the quarter. On a positive note, our lending business continued to be a point of stability with healthy activity throughout the quarter. We grew our average loan book modestly from Q4 to roughly $870 million in Q1 and delivered net interest revenue of roughly $23 million, up 25% quarter over quarter. We continued to maintain a disciplined approach to underwriting in our lending business, which has been well received by both new and existing counterparties.

On the investment banking side, we were proud to serve as a co-manager on the CoreWeave IPO in Q1, and our team continues to deepen relationships across the ecosystem as the broader market environment gains momentum. Bigger picture, we are seeing increasing interest from traditional financial institutions, particularly those seeking regulated, structured access to cryptocurrency markets. In response, we've taken a deliberate approach to securing key licenses, notably our registration as a U.S. swap dealer and, more recently, our U.K. registration under the approval of the U.K. FCA. This new FCA license enables our London-based teams to execute transactions on behalf of clients, further expanding our global reach and institutional capabilities. These formal regulatory registrations reflect our commitment to operating with the highest standards of compliance and governance, positioning Galaxy as a trusted counterparty to institutions globally. Now, turning to our asset management and infrastructure solutions business.

We ended the first quarter with approximately $7 billion in combined assets under management and assets under stake, a 29% decline quarter over quarter, reflecting the pullback in crypto prices. Despite this, in Q1, our asset management and infrastructure solutions segment delivered $22 million in adjusted gross profit, which you can think of as essentially fee-based revenue, down just 8% from the prior quarter. In general, we continue to see healthy demand for our asset management products, and I am pleased to share that we achieved a key milestone in our venture franchise, raising over $160 million in commitments to the Galaxy Crypto Venture Fund, exceeding our initial target. We continue to see healthy momentum in fundraising, reflecting growing institutional confidence in our long-term approach to venture investing in the digital asset ecosystem. On the distribution front, one of the largest U.S.

Wealth platforms, with over $2 trillion in client assets, recently began offering BTCO, our U.S. spot Bitcoin ETF, this quarter. This further expands Galaxy's products across traditional wealth channels and reinforces the continued integration of digital assets into mainstream investment portfolios. Subsequent to quarter end, we launched a Solana ETF in partnership with CI in Canada, the first of its kind to incorporate staking into its structure. This ETF will leverage Galaxy's Solana validator nodes as one of its staking providers and is a notable product innovation which aligns our broader commitment to delivering differentiated, institutional-grade access to crypto markets. Our staking business continues to integrate with additional platforms, including Zodia, announced last week, whose clients can now access our staking services directly through their custodial accounts. We see these integrations as important growth drivers over time, and we remain focused on expanding our pipeline of strategic partners.

We're all excited about the opportunities ahead of us in digital assets. We are seeing a powerful shift in the wealth landscape where a new class of high-net-worth individuals is emerging, one that traditional banking services have often underserved. At Galaxy, we believe this presents a significant opportunity to deliver institutional-grade digital asset solutions to a broader, more dynamic investor base. Our seven-plus years of experience building products and infrastructure to support the crypto economy positions us uniquely to bridge the digital and traditional financial ecosystems. We are still early in this evolution, and we continue to innovate on new products and services and look forward to sharing more with you on our ambitions in the space in the months and quarters to come. A quick comment on our data center segment.

As I mentioned earlier, we do not expect material financial results from this segment until early 2026 when we begin recognizing revenue in accordance with the phase one lease. In Q1, we did recognize certain expenses prior to the lease signing, leading to a modest operating loss of $3 million. Going forward, we expect this operating loss to be roughly flat during the remainder of the construction period. Lastly, I'll touch on our treasury and corporate segment. In treasury and corporate, we reported a first-quarter loss of $392 million, primarily due to the decline in digital asset prices in Q1, along with a one-time impairment charge and associated disposal costs related to the wind-down of our mining operations at Helios. As part of this transition, we fully unplugged all Bitcoin mining machines at our Helios campus at the end of Q1.

We've made progress on the plan to relocate our mining infrastructure and are actively exploring other strategic alternatives, including a potential sale of equipment. As noted, we maintained a healthy liquidity position with cash and stablecoins up approximately $60 million to $1.1 billion at Q1 and had $900 million of net digital asset exposure at the end of the quarter, consisting of $520 million in Bitcoin, $150 million in Ether, and $240 million in other token exposure. Before I turn it over to Chris, I want to touch on our Q2 preliminary performance and provide an update on the status of our domestication and reorganization in listing. So far, Q2 has seen a marked improvement in digital asset prices and overall activity, with Bitcoin up 26% year-to-date or quarter-to-date and Ether and Solana up roughly 40%.

Notably, the volatility profile of Bitcoin and other large cryptocurrencies has begun to steady in recent weeks. As of May 12th, quarter-to-date operating income was between positive $160 million and $170 million. This figure does not include a negative mark-to-market adjustment of approximately $125 million on the embedded derivatives associated with our exchangeable notes, which is driven by the Q2-to-date appreciation in Galaxy's stock price. Note, due to the reorganization and domestication, Q2 will be the last quarter that our P&L will be impacted by the charge in value of these embedded derivatives. As of May 12th, our total equity capital was approximately $2.2 billion. This includes a one-time increase of approximately $290 million in reported U.S. GAAP equity capital, driven by the consolidation of our corporate structure resulting from the reorganization.

Of note, due to the accounting treatment for the business combination, this $290 million will be a one-time direct increase to equity capital in Q2, but it will not have any impact on our net income for the quarter. Lastly, as Mike mentioned earlier, we're pleased that Galaxy is moving forward with our planned transition to NASDAQ this Friday, May 16. This is a pivotal milestone for our firm, one that we believe will unlock meaningful long-term value for our shareholders. NASDAQ is one of the largest and most liquid equity markets globally, with deep trading volume and broad investor participation. Listing on NASDAQ will provide us a more powerful platform to strengthen our market presence, expand our investor base, and access capital at greater scale. Over time, we expect Galaxy to be included in certain U.S.

Equity indices, something that will serve to broaden institutional ownership, provide investor stability, and improve trading depth over time. As Mike mentioned, we expect our U.S.-listed stock to be added to many of the largest retail brokerage platforms, significantly expanding access for individuals interested in investing in Galaxy. We're excited about what's ahead and appreciate the support of our investors as we enter this next chapter. Chris, I'll turn it over to you. Thank you, Tony. Let's talk data centers. Since we reported Q4 earnings, the team has been busy executing on our plan to transform our Helios campus from a Bitcoin mining facility into a world-class data center campus in the Panhandle region of West Texas. Last quarter, we announced the execution of a 15-year build-to-suit lease agreement with CoreWeave to support 133 megawatts of critical IT load.

Just a few weeks prior to today's call, we shared that CoreWeave has executed one of their options to contract additional capacity at our Helios campus. The exercised option will bring in an additional 260 megawatts of critical IT load online through new greenfield developments at our Helios campus to support CoreWeave's AI and HPC needs. Over the course of this second 15-year lease, once we have energized the full 260 megawatts of critical IT load, we expect to generate approximately $9 billion of total incremental revenue or approximately $600 million of average annual revenue when accounting for annual escalators. As with phase one, excluding the costs associated with Galaxy's on-site personnel, all operating expenses will be passed through to our tenant, and we expect similar EBITDA margins of approximately 90% for both phases for the duration of the contract.

Unlike the phase one retrofit, which leverages our existing 126,000 sq ft data center shell, phase two involves the construction of new data center buildings purpose-built for AI and HPC. While certain infrastructure elements from our phase one build, such as campus fiber, can be leveraged for phase two, we anticipate slightly higher CapEx due to the added civil, structural, and architectural requirements associated with greenfield development. As a reminder, we already have power agreements in place and have secured the long-lead electrical infrastructure ready to be energized at our private substation. Our timeline to energize phase two is meaningfully faster than a typical greenfield development because of these strategic long-lead infrastructure purchases. We are still finalizing delivery timelines with CoreWeave on phase two, but expect to begin delivering critical IT load within the first half of 2027.

To support our construction and expansion at our Helios campus, we are actively pursuing project-level debt financing for both phase one and phase two. We continue to see robust demand in the financing market for these projects, and we anticipate closing financing for phase one in the coming weeks, with long-term refinancing optionality expected once the projects are fully operational and stabilized. Phase one and phase two at our Helios campus represent the cornerstone of our long-term data center business strategy, with a combined 393 megawatts of critical IT load now contracted and under development. Together, these projects position Galaxy to generate over $13 billion of revenue over the next 15 years, completely uncorrelated from digital asset prices and volatility.

CoreWeave executing the phase two option agreement underscores the growing confidence in our Helios campus as a long-term high-value asset for AI and HPC infrastructure and Galaxy's continued evolution into a trusted provider for one of the world's largest AI cloud service providers. We are only just beginning. As a reminder, we have ERCOT approval to scale our Helios campus up to 800 megawatts of gross power capacity today, and we feel highly confident in our ability to contract the remaining 200 megawatts. We also have an additional 1.7 gigawatts currently under various stages of study, and our team is working closely with ERCOT and other stakeholders to finalize these approvals. Furthermore, the team has been hard at work building a pipeline of actionable opportunities that we have been evaluating for future potential acquisition and development.

We have evaluated close to 40 different potential sites, primarily across the U.S., with approximately half of them having advanced for further analysis through our evaluation pipeline. While we are primarily focused today on executing on phase one and now phase two for CoreWeave at our Helios campus, we are encouraged and excited about the consistent growth and actionable pipeline opportunities that are coming across our desks. We intend to prudently pursue expanding our forward opportunity set so that we are positioned to be a leading AI/HPC infrastructure developer five years from now and beyond.

In a market where near-term AI and HPC infrastructure is severely supply constrained and lead times for new utility capacity can be multi-year, Galaxy is positioned to not only be one of the largest early developers of large-scale next-gen data center infrastructure at Helios, but also to then leverage that platform to grow into one of the long-term winners in the space. I'll now pass it back to the operator, and we'll do questions. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. As a reminder, at this time, if you would like to ask a question, it is the star and one on your touchstone telephone. If at any point you find your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. We'll take our first question from Greg Lewis at BTIG. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Greg Lewis (Managing Director)

Yeah, thank you and good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I was hoping to first talk a little bit about the data center opportunity. I can appreciate the comments around the 40 potential sites and realizing that the immediate focus is on really getting the financing, getting phase one up and ready. Just given the long lead time cycles it does take to develop data center sites for the future, I guess any kind of color around the timing of potential additional acquisitions. As we think about the size, realizing that Helios has the potential to be a multi-gigawatt site, that's not going to be easily replicable. What types of potential project sizes are we thinking about?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Sure. Hey, Greg, and good morning. Appreciate you joining. Yeah.

I would say, as I said in the remarks, first and foremost, the most important thing, item number one, two, three, and four on our priority list is executing on phase one and now phase two at Helios with CoreWeave and executing on it excellently, both from a project delivery, being on time on budget from a financing perspective, getting our capital structure right and strong to be able to continue to develop that asset. That's priority number one through five for us. Your comment is correct, though. We do view this opportunity as not just a single project that we're going to monetize, but we view it as a long-term business opportunity for the firm.

Frankly, given the work we've done so far and the position we have in the market, we view ourselves as one of only a handful of people who sort of have, if we do well, have won the right to actually win this space long-term. Building a pipeline of opportunities has been next on our list and has been in the works in the background. As I said, we are looking primarily in the U.S. for now. I think there is a very large demand here from some of the largest companies in the world. For a lot of reasons, the U.S. is extremely well-positioned from a cost of energy perspective, from a land availability perspective, from a workforce perspective, with a government that is now extremely focused and behind growing the industry. We're focused there. Agreed.

Site sizes are not today easily accessible at the size that Helios is, that truly, with the potential to be up to 2.5 gigawatts, is truly one of only a few, if not one of one asset that we already have. I would think about it as we're looking at both behind-the-meter opportunities with co-load with new generation projects, as well as power land opportunities that are either already agreed and connected to power or are applying for interconnect opportunities. The sizes are, I think the average size in the pipeline that we looked at is close to 500 megawatts. Of course, these are sort of projected project sizes, and so they'll vary from 100 megawatts to 300-500 megawatts is sort of the average size we're looking at.

Greg Lewis (Managing Director)

Okay. Great.I did want to shift gears and talk a little bit about the staking business. I guess a couple of questions here. As we think about the staking business and realizing it's going to grow over time, but as we kind of think about where it is today, we were kind of doing some numbers, and maybe the Ethereum staking market is an $85 billion market, just a rough kind of guess. Do you guys kind of have any views on what size, where does Galaxy fit in the staking market with institutional clients on a market share basis? As we think about this, is this an opportunity beyond the crypto market just growing in Ethereum or Solana, beyond those actual TAMs growing? Do we kind of have a view on what is potential for Galaxy in terms of that opportunity?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah, sure. I'll take the first crack at it. The staking market is relatively decently fragmented today. There are probably a couple of dozen providers out in the marketplace that on the high end have tens of billions of assets already under stake and on the low end, a couple of hundred million. We sort of sit somewhere in the middle with a few billion dollars of assets under stake. We do think the market is evolving and is going to continue to evolve. We have seen, and we expected to see all along, as is what happens in most financial services businesses long-term, fee compression, but fee compression offset with much higher volume coming in. We have been focused on organically building some of the best staking technology, and we attack the market today through two main channels. One, direct.

There are institutional Galaxy clients who have their assets at various places or on platform with Galaxy who directly choose and contract to stake with Galaxy validators. The other approach, which we've had some good early traction on, is because we've been focused on building that technology away from where the assets actually sit on the custodial side, is to create partnerships with custodians that include our validator set as simple point-and-click options for their custodial clients to then allocate those assets to our validator nodes. Being independent, unlike some of our other competitors who have a vertical stack where they offer custody and staking, allows us to hit not just our clients, but clients of every other custodial offering out there in the marketplace.

The other important thing, the other strategic thing that we think is also important is clients want their assets to be as useful as possible. The area that we have been focused on is building technology and integrating it with our own risk management and lending practices to offer an ability for client-staked assets, which have some various liquidity constrictions once you're staked between unbonding periods and other things like that, to pledge those assets as collateral to then be able to get financing against them to make them as active as possible and create capital efficiency for our clients. While total notional dollar volume of assets under stake, we do think are going to grow both from price appreciation, asset adoption.

The fee compression, our focus is on offsetting that with additional services, which is why Galaxy's sort of end-to-end platform offering all kinds of financial services on top of digital assets is the right strategy so that we can capture the share of wallet for clients, regardless of sort of which bucket is getting competitive or not.

Greg Lewis (Managing Director)

Okay. Great. That was super helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Joseph Vafi with KenCorp. Genuti. Please go ahead.

Joseph Vafi (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Congrats on the upcoming Nasdaq listing. Super exciting for sure. Maybe we kind of just talk about that a little bit. Obviously, it provides access to a lot more investors to Galaxy equity. But wondering maybe how does it help the business? Do you think it helps bring in more counterparties with the Nasdaq listing?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Just maybe a little bit of color there on how it helps you move the business forward. And then I'll have a quick follow-up. Yeah. Listen, the profile will certainly be a lot larger. While we think we know most institutional accounts and we're in touch with as many as we can be, we're just going to have a much higher profile. The real difference is access to capital markets. We're a growth business, and so sporadically we want to access capital markets. Most of Galaxy's growth over the last seven years was internally funded with investing profits or trading profits. There was a regulator on how fast we could grow. Depending on the environment and depending on the opportunities we see, being able to tap the deepest capital market in the world is a huge advantage. That's what we're most excited about.

We've got lots of ways to tap liquidity as we get more established. This world has always been the bigger you get, the more people are willing to deal with you, right? The bigger balance sheet you have, counterparties feel more comfortable with you. Bigger is better in financial services, and we plan to get a lot bigger.

Thanks for that color, Mike. Maybe follow up on your comments on access to capital. Nice to see that loan book doing well in Q1, even in the down crypto quarter. I mean, it sounds like that's really good business. It's profitable. It's maybe one of your higher growth businesses. Just wondering your thoughts on how big the loan business can be here.

As it scales, how do you think about risk management relative to what looks like a pretty big opportunity in lending in this market?

Listen, and partially this comes from Chris Ferraro's DNA of being a credit guy and having a healthy dose of skepticism. We have built into the DNA of Galaxy a real credit focus, and we really think it is our business to win. Again, any credit business, the cheaper your access to capital, the faster you can grow your business. I would be disappointed if our business is not significantly larger in the next few years. We are looking at opportunities both on the asset management side using our credit expertise and on the main Galaxy side of extending credit to counterparties. Kind of stay tuned, but there is a huge focus on that. We think we have built up a great track record.

We have a very good muscle and DNA both from counterparty analysis and the direct lending side.

Joseph Vafi (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Great. Thanks very much, Mike.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Patrick Moley (Senior Research Analyst)

Yes. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you could update us or provide some more commentary around the 1.7 gigawatts of power that's currently under study at Helios. How quickly do you think that could be approved, and how much of it, or would it come in tranches? As we look at the scope of the entire data center business, it seems like the demand or your conversations have been going well enough to where you're looking at other sites.

Is there the potential that we start seeing acquisitions and contracts signed with hyperscalers at other sites prior to your ability to contract the 1.7 gigawatts at Helios? How should we kind of think about that going forward? Thanks.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Sure. Thanks, Patrick. Good morning. Right. So 1.7 gigawatts we have not approved yet. It is currently under study by ERCOT. Their major focus is evaluating the ability for the grid and the infrastructure to support the additional load and if any additional transmission and distribution assets need to be built in order to support it. We are actually pretty far along in the process. There were a number of approvals that have already come through from ERCOT and from WETT as well. We do anticipate over the relatively short term, we will denominate that in single-digit number of months, to have some additional capacity come through an approval.

Obviously, we do not control the timelines, and so we are in pretty constant dialogue, but all signs are pretty positive for us on that front. To give a little more color, if you think about the 1.7 in a couple of different tranches, the first tranche, which is 800 megawatts, actually slots right into our existing Helios grid tie line, which can handle and is approved for up to 1.6 gigawatts already. At least 800 megawatts of the unapproved pipeline, we are not aware of any additional transmission assets that need to be built. It is just a grid stability approval study. The rest of it, actually, we require additional assets to be built as well as an additional private substation on our side. Those are all things that are easily doable and part of ERCOT's long-term plan. We just need to officially slot into their long-term build plan.

The second question, yeah, sorry. The second question, I think, was, do you anticipate that we would be acquiring and developing other sites away from Helios before the remainder of Helios sort of gets approved and developed? I think the answer is it's hard to tell. I think the strategy most likely is going to be thoughtfully and prudently evaluating and then likely acquiring powered land and setting up behind-the-meter opportunities with potential gen-backed developers first. Once we have line of sight to those assets, using what we've now developed as a pretty regular dialogue with some of the big hyperscalers to understand what their power needs are, matching those assets that we either sign up under LOI or have already acquired with their longer-term power delivery needs.

I think the cadence is going to be we know we have size in the pipeline that's far along at Helios for pretty substantial expansion. We also know that clients have different needs and are also trying to figure out their long-term footprint with regards to cloud services they want to provide, training versus inference, where it needs to sit geographically. For us, as a portfolio management perspective, while we are mega bullish, our site in West Texas at Helios, having a diversified land bank and powered land opportunity to develop a platform that is geographically diversified with customer diversity is a long-term goal of ours and a thing that we're very focused on developing.

Patrick Moley (Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. That's great color. On the 40 potential sites that you've looked at, and you said that the average site that you're looking at is between 300 and 500 megawatts, is that the average size of those 40 sites? On the actionable pipeline, is there any way for you to quantify for us how large that actionable pipeline is today? Thanks.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah, sure. The actual math is the average is 540 and the median's 500. It's a pretty tight spread in terms of sizes. There aren't some 5-gigawatt site thrown in there that changes the asset. It's a pretty good widespread diverse set of powered land and behind-the-meter options across the U.S. Beyond that, like I said, this is not something that we are going to that we think the right strategy is to start acquiring land hand over fist in hopes that the market will come our way.

This has to be a thoughtful one-by-one, make sure that we identify a site that has all the right characteristics between access to power, real estate, talent, connectivity with fiber, water, etc., match that with client demand, which, as you know, is robust, but is also a pretty dynamic thing today in terms of what people want when they think they're going to need power three, four, five years from now. That is the way we're going to approach it. I think we will likely continue to develop Helios in parallel, and we will likely start to take bites at the apple at buying land and setting up partnerships for development and see how demand evolves.

Patrick Moley (Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. Great. And congrats on the uplifting, guys. Thanks.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brett Novell with Fenter Fitcher. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys.Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the uplifting as well. Just curious how we should be thinking about Galaxy today. There's a lot going on between maybe data center on the crypto side. Would you say your focus is at the moment more on getting the data center up and running for CoreWeave? Is it expanding assets on their platform on the crypto side, growth staking, lending, trading? Just broadly, how should we be thinking about Galaxy today?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. It's a great question and one we think about a lot. Listen, we feel like we're at the intersection of two monster trends, right? AI and then the data centers that are going to be used to power AI and crypto, which I said early on, I really think is just taking off. And so we're balancing that.

The data center opportunity, in some ways, it takes capital, time, and focus. The potential outcomes and potential opportunities are far more limited than what potentially happens in crypto. From the management brain, Chris has spent a lot of his time focusing on it, but he's got excess capacity beyond that to help on the crypto side. I'm spending most of my time on the crypto side and cheering him on on the data center side. Listen, we see great opportunities. We want to expand assets on platform. That's what I'm staking asset management. We're spending a lot of time thinking about how tokenization really plays out in the world, right? I've said this on multiple calls. I think it's going to be one of the things that happens real slow and then real fast. We haven't hit that inflection point yet.

You see people like Apollo tokenizing funds, and there's money market funds being tokenized. We're spending a tremendous amount of internal time trying to structure our business properly to take advantage of that, looking at who the right partners are. I do not want you guys to think we've pivoted away from being a crypto business. It's actually quite the opposite. We are doubling down on our focus and our intensity. I know in my core that the crypto business will look different in 36 months than it does today. There will be new participants. If we do not evolve with those changes, we will not be as happy, right? Right now, we've got a great credit business, a great derivative business, a growing staking business. We know there's going to be competition that comes into those businesses.

What's kept us alive and thriving literally since we started was our ability to sense opportunities, to staff them, and to go after them. That continues to be our plan.

Perfect. On the competition front, I think over the past few weeks and even this morning, we've seen kind of M&A across the crypto space pick up. To what extent are you interested in going out and participating in that, or are you more of a build versus acquire? Yeah.

One of the reasons we're so excited about going to the NASDAQ is as you get more liquidity, as you get a stock that is more fairly valued, you can start looking at those opportunities more seriously. We spent most of our history with a stock that traded below book.

It made acquisition really difficult on any kind of scale. Excited that that will open up. There are some businesses that make sense to grow organically and some that make sense to add on. I think you're going to see a little of both in the coming 36 months. We're excited. We certainly are staffing and building up our business development and strategy team. We're formalizing it. We are putting good human capital into that bucket because, like I said, you're going to have to be bigger. You're going to have to be diverse. You're going to have to be really good to win in the next 36 months.

Perfect. Thank you, guys. Really appreciate it.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Colonnese from H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Mike Colonnese (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Hey, good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions and congrats on the upcoming NASDAQ listing here. First one for me, maybe for you, Mike. How do you envision TradFi entering the space now that we're seeing less restrictions for them to go ahead and offer digital asset products and services to their end clients? What are the implications for Galaxy's business?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Listen, they're certainly moving into the space. They're going to kind of crawl, walk, run. The space is big, but it's not that big yet relative to most of their businesses. They're seeing it as a future. I think where TradFi is most nervous is around tokenization, right?

Every asset manager thinks, "Oh my goodness, if our assets move from accounts to wallets, from physical form to tokenized form, they need to be in that game." There is a lot of R&D going on and partnerships being created around that space. People are offering simpler products and starting to get into the credit markets. We think we need to stay one step ahead of them. Us really moving more and more on-chain and trying to be able to deliver kind of on-chain experience to TradFi clients, brokered through us, is certainly a direction of travel. We are not naive. At one point, Citibank and Goldman Sachs will have crypto desks alongside their currency business, and their customers have felt really comfortable dealing with them for long periods of time.

We are trying to build our moat through domain expertise, through better customer relationships, and through kind of staying one step ahead of those guys.

Mike Colonnese (Managing Director of Equity Research)

Okay. Thanks for that. BlackRock's head of digital assets recently came out and said that he's seen a notable uptick in institutional investor interest in Bitcoin, really when it started to decouple from equities here in recent weeks. Is Galaxy seeing the same dynamic taking place, and do you expect this decoupling to persist?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Listen, Bitcoin is a spectacularly interesting asset and story in that there are two vectors that drive price. One is the macro outlook, and the other is adoption. The macro outlook looks like a big tailwind for Bitcoin for a long time, right?

I have a feeling that the budget deficit, with all the trying that Scott Bessent and co are trying to do to lower it, is going to be higher this year than it was last year, not lower. This dream of getting 3% budget deficit and 3% growth looks further away than I think the administration had hoped. That is good for crypto prices. The far bigger story is adoption. We are just seeing it slowly eat the world, right? More and more sovereign wealth funds are participating. More and more in every country, you are starting to see microstrategy-like setups. There have been two more launched recently where companies are using Bitcoin treasury schemes, I will call them, to attract retail money through the equity market that goes right into Bitcoin. The orange pilling of the world seems to be accelerating.

As that adoption increases, prices go up. That fuels the entire industry, quite frankly. The industry is not mature enough yet to really thrive without Bitcoin price going higher. I think that will change in the next few years, right, when we actually do see stablecoins being used to buy your hamburger at McDonald's, when you see tokenization of Galaxy stock and Apple stock and other people's equities, when you see tokenization of hedge funds and private equity funds. It will be less reliant on Bitcoin price. Right now, that Bitcoin price drives in liquidity and drives in energy to the space. It is still the most important asset that I focus on while running this company.

Mike Colonnese (Managing Director of Equity Research)

We appreciate your insight, Mike.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Papandatoussi with KBW.

Bill Papanastasiou (Analyst)

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on all the progress recently, including the uplifting and securing of phase two at Helios. Wanted to touch on the remaining capacity in the load study. If that first tranche of 800 megawatts is approved in the near term, just curious on your thoughts of whether CoreWeave would scoop up that capacity. Has any of that incremental load study capacity been allocated to them as part of the expansion options, or do you think it would be more strategic to diversify the tenant base at that point?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Good morning, Bill. The simple answer to one of the questions in there is no. None of that incremental capacity is allocated to anybody yet as of today. CoreWeave has been an unbelievably good partner to us so far, and they've been a great team to work with.

We've got nothing but positive things to say about the senior manager team and the on-the-ground development team there. We'd love to grow our relationship and partner with them is the honest answer. The other side of that equation, like I said before, though, is for us to build what we think is the highest value business for shareholders and for the market is to create a portfolio approach both geographically and with end tenants. I think we will be focused on both maintaining and growing the relationship with CoreWeave as well as diversifying the growth with other clients so that we have a nice balanced portfolio and balanced earning stream from a credit risk perspective and from a source of revenue and EBITDA perspective. That asset, that capacity is, once approved, is available.

We are working every day to meet with different potential clients and sort out how we want to allocate it.

Bill Papanastasiou (Analyst)

Appreciate that color. For the second question, we have seen clear, strong appreciation in the tape in recent months. With the upcoming uplisting, curious if you could share your level of appetite to raise additional capital outside the project-level financing.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Listen, we are going to look at all the various avenues we have to raise capital. We are a growth company. It would be naive for you guys to think we are not going to raise capital at one point. We have lots of different ways to do it: debt markets, convert markets, project-level financing around the big Helios build, and public equity markets. We are going to evaluate those really carefully and get back to you.

Bill Papanastasiou (Analyst)

Appreciate the color. Thank you.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Flynn with Compass Point Research and Trading. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Joe Flynn (Senior Research Analyst)

Thanks for the question. I was wondering if you could provide me an update on the project financing that you're ultimately undergoing right now, first with the construction. Ultimately, in conversations, what does the 17% fixed NOI yield that you guys were able to secure? What kind of demand does that unlock? Where is the primary appetite? Would you characterize it as bank debt versus private credit? Any insight into maybe structures would be very helpful.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Sure. Good morning, Joe. Thanks. Yeah. On the project financing, we've been hard at work on it. We expect that we will close that in the coming weeks.

We will likely be back out to the market, to you guys and investors, and provide an update on exactly what that looks like. I would say it is pretty consistent with what we have talked about and announced in the past. The way we think about it, demand for that has come from a lot of different sources. There are a number of big bank platforms that have smart-focused infrastructure project finance groups that look to either solely underwrite or joint underwrite financings of this size. That tends to be the best execution and the best way for us to access the most efficient process and, frankly, economics.

There has been a pretty strong demand from outside the banking platforms for direct lenders as well, who either think about coming in directly and competing, taking parts of the syndications that the banks ultimately first will step into and underwrite, or looking at the capital structure and saying, "We could also offer you a solution that increases the leverage, reduces the equity check need on the Galaxy side, and is accretive from an economic perspective." I think there are a lot of different options that we have been evaluating, and we think are going to be available on the go forward. This first financing, like I said, we'd expect to put that to a close in the next couple of weeks. Really, there's two parts to each of the data center development cycles to simplify it from a financing perspective.

There's the project financing, which next to our equity, which we've already set aside, for example, in phase one and is already funded, helps finance the build. We really think about that as relatively short-term financing because once the asset is built and stabilized, stabilized being when the tenant starts paying rent, it actually opens up a wholly new market for financing where, rather than thinking about loan-to-cost and budget and timelines, you're thinking more about loan-to-value and NOI leverage multiples. We strongly expect once there, there'll be a lot of takeout opportunities for us to refinance the project financing debt, likely take out a decent amount of equity to be able to recycle back into further project development. Hopefully, that's helpful color.

Joe Flynn (Senior Research Analyst)

Yeah. That's very helpful.Just maybe on it looks like the ability to get 80% loan-to-cost on initial construction and then talk about loan-to-value on cap rates on stabilized NOI. Can you maybe talk these rates or maybe just insight on spreads? Do they ultimately factor in CoreWeave's off-taker? Do you see any maybe improvement from built-in credit enhancements that maybe exist within your signed contract that the market might not be aware of?

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Sure. Yeah. I definitely agree with you. The entire economic package has a lot of factors that go into it in terms of ultimately what the markets will look at as a stabilized cap rate, which includes the underlying economics of the lease.

That's why one of our big focuses when we were structuring the lease was making a trade-off on economics on either headline or lease rate, our requirements to fund CapEx versus getting a structure that is going to operate extremely high EBITDA margins and looks as close to triple net as possible because the financeability of those cash flow streams improves quite dramatically versus an asset that's highly reliant on an operator that operates at lower EBITDA margins. That's a factor. Obviously, the underlying credit, I agree with you, is definitely a factor.

One of our, candidly, one of our big bets, and we spent a lot of time with the CoreWeave team understanding their business, their pipeline, where they stood pre-IPO, and work close to them on an ongoing basis, is that in CoreWeave's success, that should create a re-rating for themselves and therefore as a derivative for our asset in terms of cap rate compression, i.e., valuation increase. That is a factor. We do see a pretty clear path for CoreWeave as our first anchor tenant to improve their own credit quality and therefore create uplift for us long-term in terms of the value of the asset. That is for sure part of the equation.

As we look at building our portfolio of tenants and real estate assets over time, having a good mix of different credit qualities and therefore identifiable exit cap rates is a big part of the equation and something that's very top of mind every time we look at a land acquisition or think about and talk about a tenant and how we would finance and ultimately how we would crystallize value.

Joe Flynn (Senior Research Analyst)

Maybe just one more on the equity component of the CapEx. I guess beyond the initial convert raise, what are you guys' approaches to ultimately funding the, call it, $600 million on the side contracts or potentially up to $1 billion on assuming CoreWeave takes the full 800 megawatts? As of now, are you looking to probably fund it yourself or still exploring potential partnership opportunities? Any information there would be helpful.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Look, I think the good news is with the trajectory of the company and our successful move to the U.S. and having signed long-term off-take contracts, we have a lot of options in front of us. It is really going to come down to us ultimately on cost of capital, cost of capital, and certainty of capital. Our goal is to maximize return on equity for the assets we are building. In order to do that, and we are going to, today alone, we see a number of different ways we can do that. Obviously, non-dilutive pure debt financing at the asset level, which includes both project financing as well as potential takeout financing and securitizations.

Project-level equity financing, which there's a whole palette of different options and fund complexes that are specifically set up just to fund this kind of long-term equity program at the asset level that looks a lot more like structured equity and structured returns, which allows for actually accretive equity returns and accretive capital to Galaxy's equity return at doing it at that level. The corporate parent and the corporate parent's access to capital is something that we're also excited about given where we sit today and sort of the new listing and everything. I think all options on the table. The good news is as long as we execute and the fact that we have signed long-term contracts that are highly valuable puts us in a position to look at a whole plethora of options and be able to optimize our cost of capital.

Joe Flynn (Senior Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. We will take our final question from Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Owen Lau (Executive Director and Senior Analyst)

Hello. Congratulations on the long-overdue uplisting to NASDAQ and welcome home. Mike, you just highlighted tokenization. Could you please add a little bit more color on how Galaxy can play into that? On AI and crypto, is there an intersection point between these two, and is there any way Galaxy can try to figure out a good business angle there? Thanks a lot.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Let me start with the AI and crypto. In our venture portfolio, we have a few investments that are trying to play that theme, right? If you think about in the future when you have AI agents that are going to be buying and selling your groceries, they are going to be doing so over digital rails using some form of crypto. Will it be a stablecoin?

Will it be its own coin? We'll see. We've invested in a few companies in that space. I think one of the things the venture business has always done for us, it's given us some roadmap of what might be working and what could be coming. We're going to continue to push more venture investments into that intersection. The basic data center business becomes a really sophisticated real estate business, and it does not have a direct synergy with crypto other than the smartest companies in the world are contracting out your space. That intersection with them and why they're contracting their space, I do think will give us some edge. There are some kind of straightforward ideas that people have been talking about. We're looking at it in venture.

When you think about authentication, right, from deepfakes, I think at one point see a lot of photographs and speeches and IP living on blockchains because you're going to authenticate that it's real. There is a natural synergy that should come here, and it's not necessarily showed up yet with great companies. Got it. That's helpful. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I was going to add, Owen, on the tokenization side, just to hit your first point, just pretty succinctly. We think there's a lot of opportunities for Galaxy to play a real role in that process. The market structure is still developing, and how it all crystallizes is an open question for the whole industry.

For us today, with our custodial technology platform, we have wallet infrastructure, both cold and hot wallets, that we think has real strong differentiated technology that will play a role in some of the major banks and investment houses long-term in terms of securing and transferring digital key material, which is foundational in the version of the world where you have digital bearer instruments that represent real-world assets. On top of that, that platform also has tokenization capabilities where we write and maintain smart contracts for mint burn redeem, which is also a critical component to wrapping real-world assets in digital form and then maintaining them on-chain. Our advisory business in terms of helping to structure those issuances is something that that group is very focused on as well.

I think we have a number of the pieces of the puzzle today already inside the house at Galaxy. We will need to develop some more, and we'll also need to partner with other institutions that have different elements, including distribution and other licenses, to the extent we don't get them ourselves, to really deliver an end-to-end product as the market structure comes together.

Owen Lau (Executive Director and Senior Analyst)

Got it. That's super helpful. Maybe finally on the regulations, there was a hiccup last week for the Genius Ag. I'm just wondering, do you think there's still enough support for the bills to get passed this year, or we have to kind of wait until next year? Thanks a lot.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Yeah. Ironically, I have spent a lot of time on the last two weekends on the phone with various senators in D.C.

I would tell you, this has been frustrating for both the space and for them because I think both on the Republican side and on the Democratic side, there was a real desire to get something done. Making laws in Washington and getting stuff done is an art form that I'm learning, but by no means an expert at because it is very tricky. It felt like it was done. Both the Democrats and Republicans told me it was getting done and got sidetracked a little bit. If something is going to change, it's got to happen in the next week or so, or I think we're going to miss this window of opportunity to get good crypto legislation done. I literally ran into a New York congressman last night who wants to help, a Democrat. I do not think there's a lack of desire.

I mean, the politics are tricky, right? The president launched a meme coin. His children are very engaged in the space. They're doing some productive things and some things that the Democrats are saying, "Hey, this doesn't seem right." That has given the Democrats an angle to say, "Well, wait a minute." It is not the whole Democratic Party by any stretch, but it is the far left side of the party that is starting to scream and yell again. The core group of crypto enthusiasts of the Democratic Party are trying to get this thing done, and it is not easy. The Republicans do not have full support on their side either. There are national security issues. There are issues around the dominance of our big tech players, right?

A guy like Josh Hawley says, "Enough is enough." When you hear that Meta wants to get into the stablecoin business, some Republicans are getting nervous. These should be bipartisan issues. They are unbelievably nuanced and complicated, and they do not make for great political one side because each team can point fingers. Long answer, we are very engaged. Matter of fact, probably too engaged given that we are not a U.S. stablecoin issuer. I keep thinking that Galaxy comes from a point of view of a fair judge here. We want something good for the industry and good for America. We are launching a stablecoin in Europe with DWS and Flow Traders, which is pretty exciting. It will be BaFin regulated. It is not like we are not participating in that business.

I'd say there's probably a 30% chance at this point that something gets done, which is a shame because I would have told you two and a half weeks ago there was an 85% chance.

Owen Lau (Executive Director and Senior Analyst)

All right. Thank you for the color. Thanks a lot.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. I'd like to now turn it back to Mike Novogratz for the close.

Mike Novogratz (Founder and CEO)

Guys, sure. Long call. Appreciate all the questions. We are 72 hours away from ringing the bell. The bell is actually a button at the NASDAQ, but it actually sounds like a bell. We really appreciate you guys having been the ride with us. I don't feel like this is the end of a race. I feel like it's really the starting bell. Lock in and stay tuned. Thank you.

Operator (participant)

We'd like to thank everybody for their participation on today's conference. Please feel free to disconnect your line at any time and have a great day.