Intel - Q1 2023
April 27, 2023
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Operator (participant)
Welcome to Intel Corporation's first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star one one again. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. Now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Mr. John Pitzer, Corporate Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Sir.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Jonathan. By now you should have received a copy of the Q1 earnings release and earnings presentation, both of which are available on our investor relations website, intc.com. For those joining us online today, the earnings presentation is also available in our webcast window. I'm joined today by our CEO, Pat Gelsinger, and our CFO, David Zinsner. In a moment, we will hear brief comments from both, followed by a Q&A session. Before we begin, please note that today's discussion does contain forward-looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it, and as such, are subject to various risks and uncertainties. It also contains references to non-GAAP financial measures that we believe provide useful information to our investors.
Our earnings release, most recent annual report in Form 10-K, and other filings with the SEC provide more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. They also provide additional information on our non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations where appropriate to the corresponding GAAP financial measures. With that, let me turn things over to Pat.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered solid first quarter results on both the top and bottom line. Upside was driven by better than expected revenue and very disciplined expense management across our organization. The latter is not easy, and I want to thank the entire Intel team as we thoughtfully execute on cost reductions and efficiency improvements that support the investments critical to drive our strategy. Q1 results demonstrate the progress we are making to advance our transformation and the IDM 2.0 strategy. We still have more work to do as we reestablish process, product and cost leadership, but we continue to provide proof points each quarter, and we remain committed to delivering long-term value for all our shareholders. Consistent with prior quarters, I'd like to focus my comments in three areas. One, our view of the macro and our markets.
two, key highlights from Q1. three, an update on our strategic priorities with a focus on our move to an internal foundry model. As the industry continues to navigate through multiple global challenges and headwinds, we remain cautious on the macro outlook even as we expect some modest recovery in the second half. We are seeing increasing stability in the PC market with inventory corrections largely proceeding as we had expected. The server and networking markets have yet to reach their bottoms as cloud and enterprise remain weak. Our Q2 revenue guide embeds continued inventory corrections in our core markets and a range of normal seasonal to better than seasonal growth off depressed Q1 revenue levels. We remain focused on what is within our control and steadfast in our commitment to advancing our strategy.
As we anticipated on our Q4 earnings call, the PC market depleted a significant amount of inventory in Q1 and is tracking to be at a healthy level by the end of Q2. Importantly, the PC install base is larger and usage remains well above pre-pandemic levels, and along with a better than expected Q1, strengthens our view that the PC market is on track to a sell-through of 270 million units in calendar year 2023. As we highlighted during our PC webinar in January, strong usage, an installed base which is roughly 10% higher than pre-COVID levels, and what we see as a conservative refresh rate supports a longer-term PC TAM of 300 million units ±.
In servers, Q1 consumption TAM declined both sequentially and year-over-year at an accelerated rate. We still expect to see first half 2023 TAM decline year-on-year with a modest recovery in second half of the year. While all segments have weakened, we'd reiterate that the correction in enterprise and rest of world where we have stronger positions is further along and will likely recover more quickly. Lastly, in our broad-based markets like industrial, auto, and infrastructure, demand trends are relatively stronger, although as anticipated, NEX did see a Q1 inventory correction that we expect will continue for the next couple of quarters and likely will cause NEX revenue to decline this year.
In contrast, PSG, IFS, and Mobileye continue on a strong growth trajectory. We see the collection of these businesses in total growing year on year in calendar year 2023, much better than third-party expectations for a mid-single digits decline in the semiconductor market ex memory. While the semiconductor industry is cyclical by nature, we continue to accelerate our transformation and position ourselves to capture the significant market growth in semis expected over the next decade, nearly doubling to more than $1 trillion by 2030. Combined with the need for globally balanced and resilient supply chains and a foundry market expected to be roughly $200 billion by 2030, we are well positioned to capitalize on multiple vectors of growth. On that front, let me highlight some key milestones from Q1.
We are relentlessly focused on driving execution excellence across process and product roadmaps and throughout the company, including a rigorous focus on efficiency and cost savings. Looking first at the progress we are making with our process roadmap, we remain on track to regain transistor performance and power performance leadership by 2025. Relative to five nodes in four years, notably, two out of these five nodes, Intel 7 and Intel 4, are now essentially done. Intel 7 is in high volume manufacturing, and Meteor Lake on Intel 4 is ramping production wafer starts today for a second half product launch. We are quickly mastering EUV technology with Intel 4 as our first EUV node.
We focus on the next three nodes, Intel 3 is on track, and we highlighted in our recent DCAI webinar, Sierra Forest will begin shipping in first half of 2024 with Granite Rapids shortly thereafter, both on Intel 3. We also have significant milestones planned in Q2 for Intel 3, Intel 20A, and Intel 18A and look forward to providing more details as we execute. We are squarely on track to deliver five nodes in four years. We understand that our foundry ambitions will not be realized overnight. Building a vibrant foundry ecosystem will take time, but we also understand our foundry success is vitally important to establishing a geographically diverse and secure supply of semiconductors. We took a major step forward on building our ecosystem this month when we announced a multi-generation agreement with Arm Holdings.
This will enable chip designers to build leading-edge mobile SoC designs on Intel 18A, giving the design community a new foundry alternative for product innovation and a fast time to market, while also opening up new options and approaches for large ecosystem of Arm customers. We look forward to providing access to best-in-class CPU IP and the power of an open system foundry with leading-edge process technology. As part of my recent trip to China, we continue to work hard to complete the Tower acquisition, and we'll update you appropriately. In our webinar last month, we provided a substantial update on our data center and AI business, highlighting the progress and health of our roadmap. Sapphire Rapids, our 4th-gen Xeon, is one of the highest quality data center CPUs Intel has ever delivered and continues to ramp aggressively with excellent customer feedback.
We are shipping over 400 designs across numerous system and memory configurations for all OEMs, ODM, and cloud providers, and we are on track to 1 million units by mid-year. Notably, AI inference performance and confidential computing substantially differentiate our 4th Gen Xeon from competitors. Specifically, 4th Gen Xeon offers the most comprehensive confidential computing portfolio in the industry, including virtual machine isolation with Intel Trust Domain Extensions, or Intel TDX, and Trust Attestation Services. Just this week, leading cloud service providers signaled readiness for Intel TDX instances, including Alibaba Cloud, with Microsoft announcing their preview on Azure, and Google releasing joint research conducted pre-launch to further harden TDX in complex environments. Emerald Rapids, our 5th Gen Xeon Scalable, is already sampling with customers and is on track to launch in Q4 2023.
As stated earlier, Sierra Forest, our lead vehicle for Intel 3, will begin shipping in first half 2024 with Granite Rapids shortly thereafter, both of which are receiving very positive responses from sampled customers. Sierra Forest is our first E-core server CPU, which will provide competitive performance per watt across workloads and leadership across many with all of the benefits of the x86 ecosystem. Clearwater Forest, which is the follow-on to Sierra Forest, is coming to market in 2025 and will be manufactured on Intel 18A, the node where we intend to achieve process leadership and representing the culmination of our five nodes in four year strategy.
The combination of our roadmap strengthening as we highlighted in our webinar, better than expected Q1 market share results, and great execution on the Xeon Gen four ramp, Q1 was a turning point as the first quarter of an improving data center position since I became CEO. Further in Q1, we taped in the Gaudi 3 AI accelerator, and the Gaudi 2 is in the market and offering substantial performance advantage over A100 in training and inferencing vision and language models. For example, Gaudi 2 delivers 60% higher power efficiency measured in throughput per watt for inferencing large language models such as BLOOM 176-billion parameter model. Along with fourth gen Xeon and Xeon Max, Gaudi enables us to address the accelerating growth in AI.
Recent endorsements by Hugging Face and Stability AI are strong proof points of the validation in our AI roadmap and strategy. Our strategy is to truly democratize the incredible power of AI, championing an open ecosystem with a full suite of silicon and software IP to drive AI from cloud to enterprise, network, edge, and client across training and inference in both discrete and integrated solutions. Our oneAPI now includes the open and royalty-free C++ based programming model SYCL, which is critical to driving collaboration and innovation. As developers want the ability to write once, run anywhere, our open source toolkit, SYCLomatic, is helping to accelerate the migration to SYCL as we work to democratize AI.
While AI development sparked by enthusiasm around generative AI is today centered on LLMs in the cloud, AI deployment will rapidly migrate to inference as the dominant AI workload and adoption will quickly expand outwards to edge and client, all areas that play to our strengths. We are focused on capitalizing across all segments with optimized silicon and software solutions. Our Programmable Solutions business continues to perform well with an all-time record revenue in Q1. Our FPGA portfolio now includes more than 15 new products scheduled to PRQ this calendar year, the highest number of new product introductions ever in our FPGA business.
PSG is also piloting an initiative to build a more resilient supply chain by which customers would provide Intel with enhanced demand and new design visibility while Intel provides customers with greater predictability of supply, leveraging the benefits of transitioning a great percentage of PSG products to an Intel supply chain. Our client computing business continues to execute on this roadmap and build on recent market share wins. We gained overall PC market share in Q1 and expect our competitive position to continue to improve as we ramp Meteor Lake production in Q2 for a launch in second half. In Q1, we introduced our 13th gen Intel Core mobile processor, followed by our new vPro platform, powered by the full lineup of 13th gen Intel Core processors. Intel vPro delivers the most comprehensive security and the necessary hardware for companies in the need of a PC refresh and increased productivity.
In 2023, our expansive commercial portfolio will deliver more than 170 notebooks, desktops, and entry workstations from technology providers such as Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Panasonic, and Samsung Electronics. Turning to NEX and Mobileye, at Mobile World Congress, we demonstrated that nearly all vRAN and virtualized network core deployments run on Intel. We also introduced a range of products and solutions that enable the world's networks from the core to the radio access network and out to the intelligent edge to transition from fixed function hardware to open programmable software-defined platforms.
Highlights include the launch of our 4th Gen Intel Xeon Scalable processors with Intel vRAN Boost, delivering two times the capacity gains gen-over-gen within the same power envelope and up to an additional 20% power savings with integrated acceleration and with extensive industry support from Ericsson, Verizon, Telefónica, and Vodafone, among many others. In particular, Ericsson has been working closely with us to enable the cloudification of the network, making possible industry scale Open RAN. Lastly, Mobileye continues to be an important part of the Intel family and delivered strong growth and profitability in Q1. They continue to gain significant traction with customers for their advanced product portfolio, and we remain very confident in the long-term growth profile and value of the Mobileye business. In addition to our process and product roadmap, we continue to make progress on our commitment to reduce costs and drive efficiencies.
We are well on our way towards our goal of reducing $3 billion in costs in 2023 and $8 billion-$10 billion in annual savings exiting 2025. We further rationalize our products as we prioritize our investments in support of IDM 2.0. This includes integrating AXG into DCAI and CCG respectively. In addition, we exited our server business in Q1 and signed an agreement with MiTAC, an edge to cloud IT solutions provider and long-standing ODM partner, to manufacture and sell products based on the designs of our server systems business to create a path forward for our channel customers. I'm going to spend a few minutes on cost leadership.
Last month, I had the opportunity to meet with some of you on the East Coast, and while everyone understands that we are establishing an internal foundry model, I'm not sure we have fully explained the importance and impact of this change. Giving the manufacturing group their own P&L and the BUs a standard wafer price will drive a more efficient factory network and a better decision on design to cost at the BU level. It will also serve to create parity between internal and external foundry customers and drive a more efficient manufacturing cost structure needed to compete and win external foundry customers. With a separate P&L for the manufacturing group, we will also provide you with a cleaner comparison of the BUs to their external fabless peers.
As we stated on our Q3 earnings call, we believe this structure should allow us to access and execute on multiple pools of profit that are unique to an IDM which none of our peers have. Establishing an internal foundry model is one of the most consequential steps we are taking to deliver IDM 2.0 and fundamentally shifts the way the company operates and the incentive mechanisms that drive day-to-day behaviors. We look forward to discussing this in more detail during our internal foundry webinar in Q2. I am proud of our team's progress this quarter. We remain committed to executing on our strategic roadmap by, first, delivering on five nodes in four years, achieving process performance parity in 2024 and unquestioned leadership by 2025 with Intel 18A.
Second, executing on our Datacenter and AI roadmap, including the Sapphire Rapids Ramp, the launch of Emerald Rapids in second half of 2023, and Granite Rapids and Sierra Forest in 2024. Third, ramping Meteor Lake in second half 2023 and launching Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake in 2024. Fourth, expanding our IFS customer base to include large design wins on advanced packaging Intel 16, Intel 3, and Intel 18A this year. As we improve our cost structure and drive operational efficiency, we will first return to profitability. Second, execute on our internal foundry P&L by 2024. Third, expand the use of our Smart Capital strategy to balance our long-term capital aspirations with near-term realities. We are steadfast in our commitment to continue to effectively allocate your capital in the pursuit of creating value for all of our stakeholders.
Before I turn it over to Dave, I'd like to take a moment to honor and pay tribute to the life of Gordon Moore, who passed away on March 24th. Gordon defined and enabled the technology industry through his insight and vision. He was instrumental in revealing the power of transistors and inspired technologists and entrepreneurs across the decades. I am forever grateful for his guiding hand, willingness to mentor me, and his unwavering friendship. Gordon famously said, "What can be done, can be outdone." This is our guiding principle as stewards of Moore's Law, which we intend to enable and drive until the periodic table is exhausted, as we use the power of technology to improve the lives of every person on Earth. Intel will hold a memorial service to honor the life and accomplishments of Gordon. We will share more details on this shortly.
David Zinsner (CFO)
Thank you, Pat, good afternoon, everyone. We drove solid business execution in the first quarter, beating guidance on both the top and bottom line. Against the backdrop of persistent macroeconomic volatility, we will continue to prioritize investments critical to our IDM 2.0 transformation prudently and aggressively manage expenses near term and drive fundamental improvements to our cost structure long term. First quarter revenue was $11.7 billion, $700 million above the midpoint of our guide. Results from CCG, DCAI, IFS, and Mobileye exceeded our expectations, partially offset by softer demand in the network and edge markets impacting NEX revenue in the quarter. Gross margin was 38.4%, modestly below our guidance on higher than expected inventory reserves tied to continued macro uncertainty. Q1 margins were impacted 300 basis points by factory underload charges taken in the period.
EPS was -$0.04 for the quarter, $0.11 better than guide, demonstrating our cross-company focus on spending discipline. Operating cash flow in Q1 was -$1.8 billion. Net CapEx was $7 billion, resulting in an adjusted free cash flow of -$8.8 billion. We paid dividends of $1.5 billion. Our balance sheet remains strong with cash and investment balances of more than $27 billion and a strong investment-grade profile. Before moving to business unit results, I will highlight a few changes made within our segment reporting. The client and data center-focused products from the former AXG business are now reported within our CCG and DCAI segments, respectively, and will have a dilutive effect on the operating margins of those businesses.
Our silicon photonics and foundry automotive businesses have moved out of NEX and IFS, respectively, and are now reported as part of all other revenue, sharpening our focus on the significant market opportunities available to both NEX and IFS. Shifting to the first quarter business unit results, CCG achieved revenue of $5.8 billion, better than our expectations for the quarter. While we continue to see a challenging demand environment, especially in our consumer and education segments, customers continue to prefer Intel, driven by our leadership product performance. As discussed last quarter, we saw significant inventory burn at our customers in the period. While inventory levels remain elevated, we anticipate the market will be closer to equilibrium as we execute two. ASPs were down sequentially due to mix.
Q1 operating profit was $520 million, flat sequentially despite revenue declining 13% from Q4 and down year-over-year on lower revenue, higher unit costs, and excess capacity charges partially offset by reduced OpEx. DCAI revenue was $3.7 billion, ahead of our expectations in Xeon, PSG, and AXG lines of business. We saw significant sequential and year-over-year TAM contraction across all CPU market segments and expect demand to remain soft in the second quarter. We saw stable CPU market share in Q1 and are excited by the broad market ramp of our fourth generation Xeon Scalable processor, Sapphire Rapids. Operating loss was $518 million, impacted sequentially by lower revenue, higher product costs, and investment in leadership products on new process nodes.
DCAI margins were also diluted by the merge of the AXG business and inventory reserves tied to the exit of our server system business. Within our DCAI business, the Programmable Solutions Group delivered record revenue for the second consecutive quarter in Q1, up 36% year-over-year with increased ASPs and improved external supply, which enables us to satisfy customer backlog, helping to drive continued operating profit growth. NEX revenue was $1.5 billion, below our expectations for the quarter, driven by demand softness and elevated inventory levels in our network and edge markets, consistent with the overall industry.
Operating loss was $300 million, impacted sequentially by depressed revenue in the quarter and inventory reserves, partially offset by continued expense management and discipline. Mobileye continues to outperform underlying automotive end markets, delivering record first quarter revenue of $458 million, up 6% year-over-year, along with a 6% year-over-year increase in content per vehicle. Profitability continues to be strong with Q1 operating income of $123 million. IFS revenue was $118 million, including 67% sequential growth in packaging revenue. Operating loss was $140 million impacted sequentially by increased factory startup costs as we invest in this strategic growth business.
We're well on our way towards our committed $3 billion of spending reductions in 2023 on our path to $8 billion-$10 billion of reductions exiting 2025, which will exclude benefits from the change in equipment useful life. As demonstrated by our Q1 results, focused investment prioritization and spending discipline have our OpEx reductions trending ahead of expectation, while revenue-adjusted cost of sales reductions face headwinds from factory underload charges and inventory reserves due to continued demand uncertainty. As Pat highlighted, our shift to an internal foundry model is already demonstrating a path to the structural cost improvements necessary to achieve our long-term profit goals. We've seen early wins with a reduction in disruptive factory expedites and increased focus on sort and test times.
We look forward to unpacking the financial and operational benefits of our internal foundry model in much more detail in our investor webinar later in the quarter. Turning to Q2 guidance. We expect second quarter revenue of $11.5 billion-$12.5 billion. At the midpoint of $12 billion, we expect billings to continue to trail consumption in our data center, network, and client markets as customers focus on right-sizing operating inventories. While we remain cautious, we're seeing green shoots and expect sequential revenue growth throughout the year. Pat mentioned the continued strong signals of elevated PC usage and active devices, giving us confidence that our short-term headwinds are an anomaly to long-term revenue opportunity.
Demand for AI capabilities in the cloud, across the network, and at the edge continue to grow, and we're confident that our CPU and accelerator portfolios are well-positioned to benefit from the market tailwind. We're forecasting Q2 gross margin of 37.5%, a tax rate of 13%, and EPS of -$0.04 at the midpoint of revenue guidance. Factory underload charges are projected to impact Q2 gross margins by approximately 300 basis points. While gross margins are well below acceptable levels, I'd highlight inventory reserves on pre-PRQ products impact Q2 margins by approximately 250 basis points, costs which should begin to unwind later this year as new products launch. Increased sample costs in support of our Xeon product roadmap will impact margins by 40 basis points sequentially.
Our Q2 guidance includes an approximately $500 million benefit to operating margin from the useful life accounting change we announced in January, split approximately 80% to cost of sales and 20% to OpEx, up from $460 million in Q1. It's important to remember that this is a fixed cost business. The impact of underloaded factories goes beyond the period charges we're seeing in the first half of the year and will be felt for several quarters as we sell through products with higher average unit costs. We'll continue to deploy factory capacity prudently as we operate within our Smart Capital framework. As communicated last quarter, we expect to manage net CapEx intensity in the low 30% of revenue range in 2023, with capital offsets of approximately 20%-30% of gross CapEx.
Consistent with Smart Capital, IFS capacity represents approximately 10% of 2023 gross CapEx, a number which will scale in line with foundry customer commitments. With gross CapEx weighted to first half and capital offsets weighted to second half, we expect adjusted free cash flow to improve sequentially throughout the year and to be positive in second half of 2023. While we're encouraged by first quarter revenue and expect growth to improve sequentially through 2023, we're not satisfied with our financial results and remain focused on what we can control, our execution and the prioritization of our owners' capital toward our long-term goals. We're confident that as we deliver on our roadmap commitments, we will meet and exceed our customers' expectations for our products and our owners' expectations for strong revenue growth and free cash flow generation. Let me turn the call back over to John.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Dave. We will now move into the Q&A portion of our call. As a reminder, we will ask each of you to ask one question and a brief follow-up question where applicable. With that, Jonathan, can we please take the first question?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our first question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri from UBS. Your question, please.
Timothy Arcuri (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thanks a lot. Dave, I wonder if you can go through the gross margin walk kind of through the rest of the year. There's a, you know, lot of moving parts. I know you have the underutilization of 300 basis points, and it sounds like you also have another 200 basis points you highlighted from these, you know, pre-PRQ costs. You're sort of you know, normalized at 43 ex those two things, but there's a couple of offsets too. You got puts and takes around, you know, higher die costs from these new products like, you know, Meteor and Sapphire. Can you sort of give us a walk in terms of what the puts and takes are when you know, move past June? Thanks.
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah, sure, Tim. Let me give you a little color. on the 250 basis points that you correctly highlight that are the pre-PRQ reserves, the benefit of that is as we go into the back half of the year, you know, that's related to Meteor Lake and Emerald, and as those ship, you know, a lot of that reverses. In fact, in essence, we end up shipping it at a 100% gross margin. That becomes a tailwind. we do expect, you know, as things improve from a demand perspective that, you know, we will start to load the fab back up.
The only I guess cautionary comment is that we, you know, still have underloaded costs that kind of are built into the cost of our product that are held in inventory. It does take a few quarters even beyond the time where we start to stop seeing these period costs of underutilization that we'll start to still see some cost headwinds, you know, from that. Ultimately, we'll be loading the fabs up to the appropriate levels, and that will be a nice tailwind. Maybe the best way to describe it is, I think, you know, for the back half of the year, we feel like we'll be comfortably in the 40s from a gross margin perspective, based on all those factors.
You know, obviously we're actively working on our $8 billion-$10 billion of spending reductions, you know, by the time we get to the end of 2025, and a lot of that is in the cost base, you know, which will be a benefit to gross margins.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Tim, do you have a follow-up?
Timothy Arcuri (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
I do, yeah. Pat, I guess you have a lot of products coming out in a pretty short amount of time. Basically you've got five, you know, data center platforms in, you know, two and a half years. I understand that some are E-core and some are P-core, but usually customers wanna leverage their investments in these platforms for, you know, a longer time than that. Could that be some impediment to, you know, how quickly these, you know, platforms could ramp? Can you kind of, you know, talk about that? Thanks.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
It's a great question, Tim. You know, what I'd highlight is that, Sapphire and Emerald, Gen 4 and Gen 5 are the same platform. From the customer's perspective, they get to leverage those platform investments in a substantial way. You know, similarly, as we go into next year with Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids, that's once again the same platform. Clearwater Forest, the following year that we disclosed in the data center webinar for 2025, also goes into that same platform. Essentially, even though it's five products that we've discussed, it's two platforms, and that ability to leverage that platform across a broader market space is very warmly received by our customers. Obviously, as we're, you know, working through this period to get back to, you know, solid, you know, leadership.
You know, we're getting increasing momentum from our customers, and as I highlighted, you know, in my prepared remarks, you know, this was a good quarter for our data center business, a very healthy roadmap. We did better than we forecast in Q1 market share on track for the Sapphire Rapids ramp. Overall, you know, being able to see these new use cases for AI inferencing in the platform, being able to deploy the increasing security capabilities that we disclosed. All of these, you know, are very unique feature capabilities that are both differentiating as well as value add for our customers that helps them to see the value in the underlying platforms that we're delivering. A very good quarter. You know, thanks for the question, Tim.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thank you, Tim. Jonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of CJ Muse from Evercore ISI. Your question please.
CJ Muse (Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Semiconductor Research)
Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. You've talked about PC CPU inventory normalizing exiting the June quarter. Can you give us a sense of by how much you are under shipping and demand today? How do you think about the snapback, and can you talk about the timing of planned raising of utilization, at least for your CCG business?
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. I'll start on that, and Dave can jump in. You know, generally we think that we undersold into the market by about 20% in Q1, and that continues in Q2. You know, overall, you know, we set a 270 million unit sell through TAM for the year. You know, that equates, you know, it's essentially equivalent to the 240 million or 250 million unit sell in TAM that you might have seen from some of the industry analysts. Overall, you know, we think first half, you know, we end the first half with a very healthy inventory position by our OEMs and by the channel.
You know, that positions us very well for, you know, natural improvement and a stronger second half as we're now, you know, selling, I'll say, in at the same rate of selling out in the marketplace in a normally stronger back half of the year. You know, overall, you know, this is just gonna be a positive every quarter as we go through the year. You know, we're seeing strong momentum from our customers for our roadmap, and as Dave indicated, you know, we're already starting to build inventory for the Meteor Lake launch later in the year, you know, which is another strong indication. You know, Dave, if you wanna comment on the inventory comment.
David Zinsner (CFO)
We have about 155 days of inventory aggregate, you know, in the aggregate, on the balance sheet. You know, obviously as we get through the inventory depletion, at customers and we start to normalize, back up to the level of end consumption, we'll start to burn through that inventory and, you know, you can expect us to start ramping the factories. You know, I don't think we'll be fully ramped by the end of the year, but we certainly will be improving the ramp through the year.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
C.J., do you have a follow-up question?
CJ Muse (Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Semiconductor Research)
Yeah, a quick one. Pat, in your prepared remarks, you talked about positive feedback from test chips at your customers for Sierra and Granite. Curious if you can, you know, share any of that feedback that you're hearing, you know, to give us confidence on, you know, on that ramp?
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. I'd say generally, the, you know, the feedback is wow, right? You know, you guys are delivering, you know, at the front end of your scheduled windows that you gave us with a very high quality product, you know, and they're now into their, what we call the volume validation phase of their platforms. Where they're receiving enough samples that they can start to do, you know, broad validation of the platform. You know, that validation cycle is very critical for us, you know, 'cause it informs us of when we're ready to, you know, move forward with the production steppings of those parts in both the software and the firmware of the platform.
We're seeing very good response on both the first E-core part with Sierra Forest, as well as the next generation P-core part with Granite Rapids. Overall, I'd just say, you know, we feel super good that, you know, we're getting such a warm response from customers, and this positions us very well as they're rebuilding their confidence in Intel. This, you know, you've heard me talk before, CJ, you know, that we have to rebuild our customers' confidence.
The performance that we're seeing, not just on Sapphire Rapids, Emerald Rapids Gen 5, but next year's products and the very strong, you know, position for the E-core products going into 2025 with Clearwater Forest has been a strong uptick in their belief that Intel's execution machine is back for their data center products of the future.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thank you, CJ. Jonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of Ross Seymore from Deutsche Bank. Your question please.
Ross Seymore (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. Pat, in your preamble, you talked a little bit about some data center trends by the end markets, a little bit geographically, a little bit customer type with enterprise. I was hoping you could dig a little bit deeper into what you're seeing in the cloud side of things. The customers themselves seem to be reporting very strong numbers, but it seemed that you alluded to that still being an inventory digesting end market for you, and then how Intel specifically in cloud is doing competitively.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. Thank you. You know, clearly there, you know, was a down quarter for enterprise and for cloud. You know, we do see that affecting the first, at least the first half of the year. That said, you know, we're encouraged by some of the comments that you've heard and that you refer to for the overall market. You know, we do see that our position is improving. As I indicated in Q1, we saw better than forecast market segment share. You know, we also, you know, saw some green shoots for the first time in China, and we're encouraged by that market starting to show some positive characteristics.
You know, we'd also say that some of that strength in data center is driven by AI, and we're seeing a very positive response to Gaudi 2 and seeing our pipeline growing very rapidly for that product line. We also saw that as a driver of the early strong ramp for Gen 4 or Sapphire Rapids. You know, those taken together, you know, we're, you know, we do believe that's an important trend.
We also, as you said, in my prepared remarks, you know, we see that we need to make AI and that as a critical use case broadly available, and that's what we refer to as democratizing AI, where those super high-end machines, you know, are uneconomical for most environments, and we have to enable the broad deployment of inferencing being able to use AI. That's an area where particularly our core Xeon, you know, product line has particular strengths, you know, well above prior generations and competitive alternatives and one that we expect to be an area of strength for us long term.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Ross, do you have a follow-up?
Ross Seymore (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
I do. I just wanted to go back and revisit the gross margin side. One for Dave. The underutilization charges, is there some trigger point at which revenue-wise, I guess we should expect that to go away? Because, obviously that's the 300 basis point headwind, two quarters in a row of that. Then the pre-PRQ side of things, given the frequency of new product introductions that was alluded to in a prior question-
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Mm-hmm.
Ross Seymore (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
It doesn't seem like those would necessarily go away that fast or if they do for a quarter or two, they would come back. Can you just walk us through some of the puts and takes on those underutilization charges and pre-PRQs, please?
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah. Okay. On the pre-PRQ, you're right, you know it and it always is lumpy. We saw this effect, you know, midway through last year with Sapphire Rapids. We will have these on occasion. We think for the second half of the year, for sure, you know, we won't see this magnitude of pre-PRQ reserves. This is a pretty significant quarter for us in the second quarter. On the underloading charges, you know, I think it's partially about revenue, but partially it's about our inventory levels and where they are. We obviously need to bring the inventory levels down from the 155 days. That's gonna be important.
I think I would just say that, hey, in the third and fourth quarter, I would expect to see an improving situation in terms of underloads. Likely, you know, that will be behind us by the time we're through the end of the year, just on the period cost underload charges. We might be living with some higher cost per unit, for a couple quarters after that, you know, because of underload that we built into the cost of the products. You know, ultimately, we'll have this factory or the factory network, loaded back up.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thanks, Ross. Jonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Ramsay from Cowen. Your question please.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Yes, thank you very much. Good afternoon, guys. Pat, the first question I wanted to ask is on sort of the node roadmap. You guys have made some good progress there, and we're working through some end market and near-term product dynamics, but focusing on the five nodes in four years. I know there's some internal nodes that are being developed as well around backside power delivery and also gate-all-around. Maybe you could give a little bit of an update as to how those roadmaps are going on those two pieces of technology individually.
I guess the second part of the question, if you do succeed in getting to node parity and then node leadership as you described, can you talk about a path to cost parity, for internal and external potential customers on 18A. Thanks.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. Yeah, great question, Matt. As I indicated, you know, the five nodes in four years, Intel 7 done. Intel 4 with the Meteor Lake volume ramp, we view that as all but done, right? We are, you know, essentially the process is PRQ'd and now we're ramping the product which will PRQ later in the year. We feel like we're two of five are now completed. Obviously, the next one up is Intel 3. With Intel 3, you know, the positive updates that we've given on Granite and Sierra Forest for next year, you know, the volume sampling that I've already referred to gives us a lot of confidence that that is now coming along very nicely, both Intel 4 and Intel 3 are EUV nodes.
As you say, as we go to Intel 20A and Intel 18A, the two major innovations are the RibbonFET, the gate-all-around transistor architecture, and the backside power. You know, given the uniqueness of the backside power, as you indicate, we had an internal node that we didn't expose to products or externally to de-risk that node. That went extremely well. We had very good results from the backside power, the power delivery, the routability improvements that that gave. As you know, as one proof point of that, you know, the Arm announcement, you know, was one that demonstrated significant benefits of backside power that we were able to do. Intel 20A and Intel 18A are the next ones up.
20A will be a primarily a client node as we ramp our Arrow Lake products in 2024. 2025, you know, 18A will be everything. You know, we will have server products, client products, networking products, and many foundry products. You know, we also noted that this was the quarter that we have our first foundry test chips coming out. Some of the test chips for external customers on 18A are now popping out of fab and being tested by them. Good affirmation from them. You know, you also mentioned, I think it's actually a very insightful question, Matt, you know, the cost structure.
One of the things that we've put a lot of emphasis on, with 18A is getting to structural cost parity with what we believe is the best in the industry, at that point. We view this as not just getting to power, and performance parity, but also area parity and cost structural parity as we get to 18A. We believe as we've benchmarked ourselves against, industry best, you know, we believe we're on track to do that in the 18A timeframe. That's part of why, we talk about in the internal foundry model, you know, is being able to start really measuring the P&L, right?
really viewing it as the industry price for wafers is understood, and we have to benchmark ourselves against that and deliver a margin structure at the wafer level that's competitive with that.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Matt, do you have a quick follow-up?
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Yeah, I do, John. Thank you Pat, for all the detail there. My second question is on server roadmap, and you guys had a helpful DCAI roadmap day a month or so ago. I guess my question kind of relates to another question that was asked on platform compatibility. I think Pat, you mentioned a few products on the roadmap, including up and to including Clearwater Forest being on the same sort of platform as Granite. There was another product that was on the public roadmap before Diamond Rapids for the next sort of P-core product. Any update there? It wasn't really mentioned at DCAI day, and I've had a few-
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah.
Matt Ramsay (Managing Director and Senior Semiconductor Analyst)
Folks asking me about it. Is it on the same platform? Thanks.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. While we're not speaking a lot about that next generation of product, that would be the introduction of the next generation platform. At that point, would be when we move to the next platform, which will change package architecture, power delivery architecture, memory channel. Key steps in memory scalability with our CXL technology. So that'll be a big step in terms of the platform architecture at that point. And I'll just say, every aspect of our roadmap is getting well received by our customers for both enterprise, but also and critically for cloud customers as well.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thanks, Matt. Jonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of Pierre Ferragu from New Street Research. Your question please.
Pierre Ferragu (Managing Partner and Head of Global Technology Infrastructure Research)
Hey. Sorry, the line cut. Is that for me, Pierre?
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Yes, Pierre. How are you?
Pierre Ferragu (Managing Partner and Head of Global Technology Infrastructure Research)
Yeah, sorry. Apologies. Very unlucky. The line cuts right when you say my name. Thanks a lot for all the details on the gross margin. Taking a step back, I'm kind of thinking between now and the end of 2025, your gross margin is going to be very volatile and very difficult to read because you have a lot on your plate. A lot of costs coming in and out with all the various nodes. My question would be maybe looking at things from a much higher level, let's say we are around about 20 points below, you know, the historic margins as Intel being in a good competitive position. Some of that is clearly a scale issue.
The business has shrunk a lot recently. Some of that is really this very difficult 10nm node where the cost per unit is significantly too high. My question really is, from what you know already from the nodes that you have coming up, like, that is now very, very tangible, Intel 4, you know, how much of this gap are you going to regain with this node? Really looking at it on a wafer against wafer without making that any sort of guide of what you get in 2023 or 2024 or 2025.
Like forgetting about the roadmap, looking at it wafer against wafer, you know, what order of magnitude of improvement in pricing power do you think you get or earnings power just because you now have, like, a competitive cost base in your manufacturing?
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah. maybe I'll take some of it and then.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah, yeah.
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah. Maybe, like, at a high level, Pierre, one element of getting to, you know, the appropriate cost structure to deliver the margins is getting our process technology to be competitive. You know, that's really at 18A where we intersect that. You know, we make improvements along the way, but that's, you know, really where we make the meaningful improvement to get there from a process perspective. Now, the challenge is all along the way, there's, you know, this kind of startup cost that we have to deal with, which is hundreds of basis points of headwind for us that we have by virtue of the fact that we're stacked on stacked.
You know, we were the five nodes in four years that Pat is driving is the right strategy, but it does, you know, create headwinds on the cost side. That, you know, we've got to work our way through that. Once we're on the other side of five nodes in four years, we have a competitive process technology from a cost perspective. We've gotten ourselves, you know, this, you know, let's say, significantly higher startup cost that we are incurring behind us as well. As you point out, you know, you have the benefits of the scale of revenue that we would expect.
Lastly, you have, you know, as Pat was talking about, this whole notion of the internal foundry model, which just drives a lot of attention on cost and where we think we're gonna get a lot of that $8 billion-$10 billion of savings exiting 2025. I think, you know, the way I look at it at least is that, you know, we put forth a model for gross margins. We change the depreciation, which incrementally, you know, raises that target. There's nothing that's going on at the company that would suggest that we're off pace from that. We think we are going to achieve that.
You know, the timing is obviously a function, somewhat of the market, but other than that, you know, we feel like we're on a great path to have those margins.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. I would just say, you know, there will be lumpiness, Pierre, right? You know, of the ups and downs along the way when, you know, process nodes come online, as you work through different product cycles, et cetera. You know, we'd say, you know, as Dave said, you know, we're going from the 30s% into the 40s% comfortably this year. You know, we set a long-term model into the 50s% that if you consider the useful life, gets us up around 60% by the end of the five-year period as we've talked about. You know, we're on track to, I'll say, you know, margins should be up and to the right as we work over time with lumpiness up and down due to these various considerations. That's the path that we're laying ourselves upon.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Pierre, do you have a quick follow-up question?
Pierre Ferragu (Managing Partner and Head of Global Technology Infrastructure Research)
Yes, very quick one. Pat, you mentioned Gaudi and, like a very positive benchmark on large language models. When I look around me, I don't see, like, good tangible signs of Gaudi, like, really gaining traction and getting big, despite the fact that, like, the world today is, like, really starving for more processing power and more capacity to run these models. My question was, am I just not seeing something that will become apparent very, very soon? Or are there still, like, you know, building blocks and paths and things that Gaudi is missing before really taking this very fast-growing opportunity?
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. I think it's a fair commentary that, you know, we're only starting to see good positive proof points in the industry. I think that's a fair critique, Pierre. You know, but I point back to, you know, the announcement with Hugging Face, you know, which is the most, you know, sort of like the GitHub of the AI world. Very positive proof point this quarter. Stable Diffusion, right? Another in Stability AI, important forces. Also my comments around a rapidly growing pipeline. Obviously, you can't measure that, but I'll tell you, we have many opportunities that we're now engaging in globally. You'll also see us taking more aggressive steps with our DevCloud, you know, presenting this as a developer environment for the market.
I think we have a lot of work to do here to show up in a meaningful way. We think the Gaudi 2 strategy has now started to gain quite a lot of interest in the market. As I said in my prepared remarks, Gaudi 3 has now taped out, which will be the next step up. You know, also, we're describing to customers our 2025 platform, the Falcon Shores product, which is another step up. You know, that also brings together the full offering of our HPC and AI into a single platform offering. Customers are responding very well to the, you know, I'll say the alignment and simplification of our roadmap and the HPC and AI coming together.
Overall, we feel like we're now starting to show up in this space, but we have a lot of work to do to land meaningful revenue, customers in this area. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to put some clear proof points that you can start to see in the marketplace in the near future.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thanks, Pierre. Jonathan, can we have the next question, please?
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from Bank of America. Your question, please.
Vivek Arya (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thanks for taking my questions. I had a near-term and then a longer-term one. On the near term, how should we think about the second half? You know, right now when I look at consensus expectations, they are set for about 15%-20% half on half growth. I appreciate you're not giving guidance, but is that the kind of growth that is contemplated or reflected in the return to the low 40s gross margin?
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah. I think what Pat said is, you know, we thought things would be modestly better in the second half of the year. That combined with the fact that pre-PRQ reserves reverse themselves, we'll probably see some better utilization levels. You know, that's what gives us the confidence of comfortably in the forties. You know, we're not providing any specific revenue guidance on the second half.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
I'd say, you know, there's three things to just think about for the second half. You know, one is that, so you normally have a stronger second half in our industry. We expect that to be the case. You know, second is we'll have worked through a lot of the inventory issues as you go first half to second half. We are seeing some green shoots in the marketplace. You know, we think it's a tough market for all, right? We're navigating through it well, as seen by our top and bottom line beat in Q1. You know, hey, it's a tough market out there, so we're still being fairly cautious as we look out over time. Then third, obviously our strengthening execution. Our roadmap's getting stronger.
You know, we're gaining market share, and I think of our Q1 as a solid proof point, you know, that we're navigating through the tough environment that we have in a better way than most. You know, we are incrementally more positive on the second half, you know, but we also believe we have to continue careful execution, careful fiscal discipline as we go through a very uncertain macro outlook.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Vivek, do you have a follow-up?
Vivek Arya (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah. Thank you, John. Pat, my longer term question is: how do you see the role of Arm, in the server CPU, market? You know, it's interesting you're starting to partner, with Ampere on Arm servers. I presume that implies a more credible ecosystem developing for Arm, servers. I believe it's already around, you know, mid-single digit or so as part of, cloud, instances. How do you see the role of Arm servers over the next, few years, and do you see it as, just what is the impact on x86, server CPU TAM if Arm becomes, bigger in the market?
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
You know, a couple of things here, Vivek. You know, one is, you know, the announcement that we did with Arm this quarter around IFS, you know, was a strong ecosystem statement, you know, for our foundry offerings. One, you know, that was focused around the mobile platform, but we do expect that we'll have, you know, a broader play over time as the announcement indicated that it's first focused on mobile, where Arm has proven considerable strength across the market. I'd also say that, you know, we think of the market and the future of, you know, four architectures matter. You know, Arm, RISC-V, x86, right? You know, playing a critical role and the role of accelerators in GPU, right? We'll be participating across all of those, whether that's through foundry or through our product offerings.
I've continued to view that if we're doing a great job with our roadmap, that the role of Arm in the data center will be limited, right? Particularly with the E-core product line that we've now laid out with Sierra Forest, Clearwater Forest, and strong products coming thereafter. We believe that we now deliver power performance TCO benefit at x86. Migrating software stacks in the data center is a lot of work, right? If I give customers an easy path with x86 and E-core solutions with superior TCO alternatives, that will do very well. With that's our primary play. At the same time, our foundry play will become one, come all.
You know, we will manufacture, right, any of the, RISC-V, Arm, x86, and GPU alternatives for the industry, you know, through our superior, capabilities and our foundry offerings over time. We view this as an industry play of great significance and one that we're committed to, you know, competing for, leadership wafers across every architecture, every segment of the, industry.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Thanks, Vivek. Jonathan, we have time for one last question, please.
Operator (participant)
Certainly. Our final question for today comes from the line of Joseph Moore from Morgan Stanley. Your question please.
Joseph Moore (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Semiconductors Research)
Great. Thank you. wondered if you could talk about the CapEx. You mentioned 10% going to foundry. Can you talk about, you know, I still get kind of a gross CapEx number that's north of $20 billion. Does that seem like it's in the ballpark, and are you spending that money more on shelves and capacity, or how much of that money gets allocated to, you know, the five nodes in four years?
David Zinsner (CFO)
Yeah. Gross would be north of $20 billion. You know, we think, as I mentioned, that we can keep net CapEx intensity in kind of the low 30s as a % of revenue, which is, you know, kind of within our model, actually a little bit better than what we modeled during the capital intensive phase of our transformation. You know, as it relates to kind of the split, certainly there's a lot of CapEx going to equipment. There's a lot of CapEx going to, you know, shelves. We're probably a little bit more, you know, biased towards shell investment right now.
you know, we had been, in the past, behind and, you know, that caught us and, you know, these are obviously the very long lead time type investments, you wanna be make sure you have a shell when you need it. We have biased ourselves to do that and to make the investments that are appropriate in that regard. As you point out, as I said, you know, it's largely around our own needs. We are making some modest investments on the foundry side right now, as we start to gain traction on the customer front. As we get more customers, you know, we'll ramp that investment as appropriate.
John Pitzer (CVP of Investor Relations)
Joe, do you have a quick follow-up?
Joseph Moore (Managing Director and Head of U.S. Semiconductors Research)
I do, yeah. In terms of the thank you for that. In terms of the sort of capital offsets that you've got in those 20%-30%, you know, is there the opportunity for that number to be better, for example, with the CHIPS Act as the grant money starts to get dispersed? You've talked about additional yields, like deals like Brookfield. Like, I guess, are you contemplating within that number potential future improvement, or does that number get better if we start to see benefit from those things?
David Zinsner (CFO)
I mean, it's. This is our current outlook, is somewhere in the 20%-30%. It obviously can get better. It assumes that we will have another skip by the end of the year and some, you know, government incentives. Obviously, I've got the CEO out there, you know, managing the offsets and, you know. I think there's certainly opportunity to see upside, if not this year, next year. Keep in mind, next year, we'll also have the benefit of the investment tax credit coming in at that point, which will obviously be helpful.
Pat Gelsinger (CEO)
Yeah. I would just add on top of that that, you know, this is something we're working. You know, we're engaging right now with the Department of Commerce and working through our grant applications in that area. You know, we have modeled a certain level in the guidelines that Dave said. Obviously, we're gonna be working to do better than that in this regard. You know, fundamentally, the CHIPS Act is all about, you know, making U.S. manufacturing competitive in the world. That's the focus that we have and the intent of Congress as was laid out, and we hope to get those done as quickly as possible. We also had a major milestone with the European Chips Act passing parliament last week, and we continue to work on that front. Obviously, skip and investment tax credit.
You know, we're working to make our capital intensity and efficiency, you know, to be a great opportunity for us to bring shareholder returns in a meaningful way. With that, let me just wrap up our time together. You know, first, let me say thank you. You know, we're grateful that you'd join us. You know, we're grateful that we have the opportunity to give you an update on our business and the progress that we're making. You know, while the macro is challenging, you know, and plenty of headwinds out there, we also believe that, you know, our execution on our financials, you know, a beat on top and bottom line, great execution on our process and product roadmaps.
You know, here we are, two years into my tenure, and the journey to date has had some unexpected bumps in the road. We're also beginning to see clear points that increase my confidence that we have the right strategy, the right team, and we are executing on this transformation. We look forward to updating you throughout the quarter and our next call together. Thank you all so much.
Operator (participant)
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.