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Kirby - Q1 2018

April 26, 2018

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Operator (participant)

Good morning, and welcome to the Kirby Corporation 2018 first quarter earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. We ask that you limit your question to one question and one follow-up. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Eric Holcomb, Kirby's Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Eric Holcomb (VP of Investor Relations)

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Joe Pyne, Kirby's Chairman, David Grzebinski, Kirby's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bill Harvey, Kirby's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. During this conference call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP or adjusted financial measures. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is included in our first quarter earnings release and is available on our website at kirbycorp.com in the Investor Relations section under Financial Highlights. Statements contained in this conference call with respect to the future are forward-looking statements. These statements reflect management's reasonable judgment with respect to future events. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from those anticipated as a result of various factors.

A list of these risk factors can be found in Kirby's Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2017. I will now turn the call over to David.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. I'll start my comments with a summary of the first quarter results in each of our markets, and then turn the call over to Bill to walk through the financials in more detail. Following Bill's comments, I'll provide an update on our second quarter and full year guidance, and then turn the call over to Joe Pyne for a few comments before questions and answers. Yesterday afternoon, we announced 2018 first quarter GAAP earnings of $0.54 per share. These earnings included one-time transaction fees and expenses related to Higman, other expenses related to non-cash costs associated with an amendment to our employee stock plan, and some other costs associated with severance. Bill will comment on these items in more detail in a few moments. Without these items, our first quarter earnings would have been $0.67 per share.

First quarter results compared to our guidance range of $0.45-$0.65 per share and $0.51 per share reported a year ago in the 2017 first quarter. In the inland marine transportation business, we saw a positive change in market dynamics during the quarter. Spot market pricing increased approximately 10%-15% compared to the end of 2017, and term contract pricing started to move slightly higher at the end of the quarter on a contract or two. Poor seasonal weather conditions reduced spot market barge availability, favorable prices for our customers' products, and a few plant outages all contributed to increased tank barge utilization in the mid-90% range for Kirby, and we believe for the industry throughout much of the quarter.

Operationally, our fleet was significantly challenged by the adverse weather conditions, including ice on the Illinois River, high water on the Mississippi and Ohio River, and heavy fog and wind along the Gulf Coast, which all reduced our efficiencies and our profitability. Although Higman did not contribute to the quarter's earnings, I'm pleased with how our team moved quickly and aggressively to integrate the Higman fleet during the quarter. Significant progress was made, and I believe the initial earnings drag from Higman in the first half of this year will reverse as we complete catch-up maintenance and realize the cost synergies that were defined when we announced the acquisition. As we look forward into the second quarter, improving weather conditions could remove some pressure on utilization, but we do anticipate continued recovery in the inland marine sector.

The petrochemical build-out continues to progress, and more than 20 plants are scheduled to start up in the next 2 years. Further, retirements of aging barges are expected to continue in the range of 100 or more per year, and minimal new build construction, as evidenced by the recent closure of a major shipyard, will continue to result in the rationalization of barges in our industry. All of these factors point to continued market improvement, and Kirby is well positioned to capitalize on this with our expanded fleet. In the coastal sector, market fundamentals remained challenging during the quarter, but overall, pricing stabilized. Our coastal fleet utilization was in the high 70% range during the quarter. While recent pricing trends could be a sign that the cycle has bottomed, we continue to expect difficult coastal market conditions for the next year or so.

As a result, we took additional action during the quarter to further reduce our cost structure, and that included further workforce reductions and temporarily taking more barges out of service. The distribution and services segment had a strong quarter, delivering sequential year-over-year growth in revenue and operating profit. Demand for our oil and gas products and services, including new and remanufactured pressure pumping units and new and overhauled transmissions, was robust throughout the quarter. However, the strong demand did challenge our vendors' ability to deliver key components, including engines, transmissions, and parts, which are needed to complete orders and recognize revenues. As an example, lead times on new diesel engines, which used to be approximately three to four months, are currently extending out six to nine months. These dynamics resulted in a number of new and remanufactured pressure pumping unit deliveries being delayed.

In our commercial and industrial market, we experienced higher service levels for our medium-speed diesel engine repair business throughout the first quarter, as improving market conditions in the inland marine sector contributed to favorable sequential and year-on-year results. In our power generation business, we saw higher demand for nuclear and commercial customers, primarily due to the timing of large projects. This increase, however, was mitigated by the seasonal decline in standby power generation rentals following the significant hurricane-related demand decline since the fourth quarter of 2017. So now I'll turn the call over to Bill to discuss the one-time costs in more detail, as well as our segment results and the balance sheet.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I cover our segment results, I'd like to start off by discussing the one-time costs that negatively impacted our quarter's results by approximately $0.13 per share. During the quarter, the company incurred one-time transaction costs of $3.3 million, or $0.04 per share, as a result of the Higman acquisition, which closed on February 14th. The company also incurred non-cash expenses related to an amendment to our employee stock plan, which results in shorter expense accrual periods on new restricted stock units and stock option awards for employees that are near retirement and meet certain years of service and age requirements. The amendment of this plan resulted in a charge of $3.9 million, or $0.05.

Lastly, the company incurred $0.04 per share of severance expenses during the quarter, primarily related to cost reduction initiatives in our coastal marine business and the integration of Higman. I'll now discuss our segment results. In the 2018 first quarter, our marine transportation segment revenue was $340.4 million, which is a decrease of 1% compared to the 2017 first quarter. The decline in revenue was primarily due to lower term contract pricing in both marine markets and lower coastal marine spot pricing. The impact of lower pricing was somewhat offset by improved utilization in the inland marine market and the revenue contribution from Higman. Operating income declined $19.6 million, or 55%, to $16.2 million.

The decline in year-on-year operating income is due to reduced pricing for tank barge transportation in our marine markets and the $3.3 million of one-time expenses associated with the Higman acquisition, $2.6 million of severance expenses, and $2.4 million of costs related to the amendment to the employee stock plan. Revenues in the inland tank barge market were higher than the first quarter of 2017 due to the contribution from Higman. Excluding Higman, revenues were down slightly, with the impact of lower year-on-year term contract pricing, somewhat offset by increased demand for tank barge transportation and improved utilization due to tight market conditions. During the quarter, the inland sector contributed approximately 75% of marine transportation revenues.

Long-term inland marine transportation contracts, or those contracts with term of one year or longer in duration, contributed approximately 70% of revenue, with 58% attributable to time charters and 42% from contracts of affreightment. Contracts that renewed during the first quarter were down in the mid-single digits compared to the 2017 first quarter. However, spot contract rates increased 10%-15%, both sequentially and year-on-year. During the first quarter, the inland sector generated an operating margin in the low double digits, as it was negatively impacted by the Higman acquisition costs, costs associated with the amended employee stock plan, and severance. In our coastal marine market, first quarter revenues declined in the high double digits compared to the 2017 first quarter and were primarily impacted by reduced term and spot contract pricing.

Regarding pricing, while it is contingent on various factors, including geographic location, vessel size, vessel capabilities, and the products being transported, average clean service pricing for an 80,000- to 100,000-barrel barge declined approximately 10%-15% compared to the 2017 first quarter. Compared to the 2017 fourth quarter, however, both term and spot contract pricing was stable. During the first quarter, the percentage of coastal revenues under term contracts was approximately 80%. The coastal business had a negative operating margin in the low double digits during the quarter and was also unfavorably impacted by severance expense and expenses related to the employee stock plan amendment.

With respect to our tank barge construction and retirement plans, in the inland sector, we took delivery of one 30,000-barrel tank barge and retired 12 with a capacity of approximately 180,000 barrels during the first quarter. However, we also acquired 161 30,000-barrel tank barges with a capacity of approximately 4.8 million barrels via the Higman acquisition, as well as 2 pressure barges with a total capacity of 35,000 barrels from another competitor. The net result was an increase of 152 tank barges to our inland fleet, for a total addition of approximately 4.6 million barrels of capacity. At the end of the 2018 first quarter, the inland fleet had 993 barges, representing 21.9 million barrels of capacity.

Additionally, during the remainder of 2018, we expect to take delivery of two 24,000-barrel specialty barges that were acquired through the Higman acquisition, and we also plan to retire or return to charterers 21 additional barges with approximately 325,000 barrels of capacity. On a net basis, that, before any additional acquisitions, we expect to end 2018 with a total of 974 barges, representing 21.6 million barrels of capacity. In the coastal marine market, we sold one barge with a capacity of approximately 188,000 barrels, closing the quarter with 55 barges, with a total capacity of 5.2 million barrels. Included in the 55 barges are seven barges with a total capacity of 0.6 million barrels that were temporarily taken out of service during the first quarter due to market conditions.

We do not plan to build or take delivery of any new barges in 2018. Moving on to our distribution and services segments. Revenues for the 2018 first quarter were $401.3 million. Operating income for the quarter was $37 million, as compared to operating income of $13.7 million in the 2017 first quarter. The segment's operating margin was 9.2%, compared with 9.3% for the 2017 first quarter, and was negatively impacted by $1.2 million of costs associated with the amendment to the employee stock plan. The significant increase in our year-on-year financial performance can be largely attributed to the incremental contribution from S&S.

Favorable oilfield market fundamentals also drove strong demand for Kirby's new and remanufactured pressure pumping units, new and overhauled transmissions, and new engines and parts. However, vendors' supply chain bottlenecks reduced the availability of new engines, transmissions and parts, and delayed our deliveries of pressure pumping units. In our commercial and industrial distribution and services markets, revenues and operating margins improved compared to the 2017 first quarter. We also experienced increased orders and higher service levels for marine diesel engines overhauls, equipment and parts, both sequentially and year-on-year. Service activity in the power generation market was stable year-on-year, but mixed compared to the 2017 fourth quarter, as a seasonal decline in rentals of standby power generators was partially offset by higher service levels from major nuclear and commercial customers. Turning to the balance sheet.

To support the growth in the D&S segment, there was a significant investment in working capital during the first quarter, as well as. As of March 31, 2018, total debt was $1.42 billion, a $431 million increase versus the end of 2017, mainly a result of the Higman acquisition and the purchase of two pressure barges. The additional debt resulted in higher interest expense of $9.8 million during the first quarter, compared to $7.2 million in the 2017 fourth quarter. Our debt-to-cap ratio at the end of the first quarter was 31.2%, a 7% increase from December 31, 2017. At the end of last week, our debt was approximately $1.39 billion.

As previously stated, Kirby remains committed to maintaining our investment-grade ratings and retaining a conservative capital structure through this cycle. As such, we intend to prioritize deleveraging with our free cash flow, with the goal to get our leverage ratio down by the end of 2018. I'll now turn the call back over to David to discuss our guidance for the second quarter and the remainder of the year.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Thank you, Bill. In our press release yesterday afternoon, we announced our 2018 second quarter guidance of $0.30-$0.50 per share, and we've provided our full-year 2018 updated guidance of $2.15-$2.65 per share, which is down from our previous guidance of $2.50-$3.00 per share. Both of these guidance ranges include approximately $0.30 per share of expenses related to Joe Pyne's retirement as executive, Executive Chairman of the Board. The full-year guidance also reflects the $0.05 per share impact of the non-cash expenses related to the amendment of the employee stock plan in the first quarter. All that said, operationally, our expected guidance for 2018 is unchanged.

In the inland marine transportation market, we expect our utilization, which now includes Higman, to be in the low- to mid-90% range for the second quarter and for the remainder of the year. We anticipate that continued industry tank barge retirements, minimal new tank barge construction, and higher customer demand together will yield high industry utilization for the duration of 2018. As a result, we continue to expect to realize modest mid-single-digit pricing improvement on term contracts renewed in the second half of the year. The low end of our guidance range assumes minimal term contract pricing improvements in 2018, and the high end assumes mid- to high-single-digit pricing improvement in the second half of the year....

We expect our revenue mix to be similar to the first quarter, with term contracts representing approximately 70%-75% of revenue and spot contracts making up the balance. Regarding Higman, we continue to anticipate that this acquisition will be earnings neutral for the first 12 months. However, during the second quarter, we will continue to incur some additional maintenance and other costs as we integrate their fleet and perform previously deferred maintenance. In the coastal market, we expect utilization in the high 70% to low 80% range for the remainder of 2018. Our guidance range assumes a stabilized pricing environment in this market for the remainder of 2018, with no material change in market fundamentals in the near term.

Overall, we continue to expect full-year 2018 marine transportation operating margins to be only slightly down when compared to 2017, reflecting the full-year impact of lower term contract pricing from last year and the initial Higman acquisition headwinds. The second half of 2018 should reflect higher term and spot pricing and improved Higman performance, as well as lower costs in our coastal business. For our distribution and services segment, we expect continued favorable demand for our oil and gas products and services, which represent about 60% of our distribution and services revenues. Industry experts predict that another 2-5 million horsepower of pressure pumping capacity is needed in North America to meet demand requirements over the next 1-2 years.

We are confident that our world-class United Holdings and Stewart & Stevenson businesses, integrated and working together, will meaningfully participate in these incremental opportunities. However, we expect that we will be somewhat constrained in 2018 by vendor supply chain bottlenecks, which are contributing to significant delivery delays of new engines, transmissions, and parts. These delays, combined with the new revenue recognition standards, are likely to result in a somewhat more volatile quarterly results going forward. In our commercial and industrial markets, we expect seasonal declines in our marine, medium-speed diesel engine services business and in the nuclear and commercial power generation businesses during the second quarter. These businesses are expected to rebound together with increased seasonal demand for the third and fourth quarters. Overall, we continue to expect operating margins in our distribution and services segment to be in the high single digits during 2018.

Full-year capital spending, net of acquisitions, is now expected to be in the range of $200 million-$225 million, which is up approximately $10 million from prior guidance, primarily due to capitalized maintenance at Higman. Before I conclude, as a reminder, we will be hosting an Analyst Day in Houston, including dinner with management on the evening of May 14, and presentations, Q&A, and tours throughout the day on May 15. Our event will focus on marine transportation and distribution and services, with visits to key facilities in both segments and opportunities to interact with the management teams. Segment presentations will be webcast. However, if you'd like to attend, please contact Eric Holcomb for more information. So now let me sum things up.

Although our first quarter results were impacted by a variety of costs, our core operational performance was aligned with expectations, with strength in distribution and services helping to more than offset extensive weather delays in inland marine and continued weakness in coastal. As we look forward, although our coastal business will struggle in the near term, it has probably bottomed, and our growing inland marine and distribution and services businesses are both well positioned to capitalize on robust demand for the foreseeable future. We are moving quickly to integrate Higman and expect this acquisition to be accretive to earnings in the second half of the year. Our balance sheet remains strong, and while we will utilize free cash flow from operations to delever, we will continue to seek disciplined and strategic acquisitions to strengthen our fleet and enhance our long-term earnings potential.

I'll conclude, and I'll turn the call over to Joe Pyne for some final remarks.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

Thank you, David. On Tuesday, we announced that I was stepping down as the Executive Chairman of Kirby at the end of April, but would remain as Kirby's Chairman of the Board of Directors. While I'll be less involved in the day-to-day operations of the company, I do intend to be an active chairman, helping David with company strategy and the industry relationships which I've built over many years. I've had the pleasure of working for Kirby for over forty years, first running the marine transportation subsidiary and later as the President and Chief Executive Officer, and then as Chairman. When I first came to work for Kirby, it was known as the Kirby Exploration Company. It was principally an oil and gas exploration company, which owned a small marine subsidiary named Dixie Carriers.

This subsidiary ultimately became the business which Kirby is today.... When I was named President of Dixie Carriers in 1984, it represented approximately $35 million of Kirby's revenues, operated 27 boats and 49 barges, and owned a small diesel engine company, which serviced marine engines. Today, this company is close to $3 billion in revenue, operates over 360 boats and over 1,050 barges, and is a large, sophisticated supply and distribution company focused on engines and oil field equipment. The company now employs approximately 5,700 employees. The company's success has been the result of its board of directors, management team, and employees working hard every day, first transitioning the company from an oil and gas exploration company in 1988, and then building the business it is today. We have been blessed with many amazing employees who helped this happen.

It is truly a team effort, and I'm honored to have been a part of it. Kirby has a very interesting history, which goes back over 100 years. As shareholders, you aren't buying history, you're buying the company's future. I'm very excited about Kirby's future. The inland tank barge market is recovering, rates are rising, and the fleet is moving nicely into balance. The coastal market, although still depressed, is bouncing on the bottom with some green shoots beginning to appear. The economy is steady and producing demand for the cargos we move. Our distribution and services business is in full gear, with steady demand for new and rebuilt equipment. The acquisitions which we completed over the last several months, including Stewart & Stevenson and Higman Marine, have also positioned the company to do very well in the future. Both businesses, marine transportation and distribution and services, are improving.

Our acquisitions add strength and depth to our two business segments. Higman provides a young fleet working for excellent customers and improves our flexibility to service these customers and to capture additional operating synergies. Stewart & Stevenson expands our geographic scale, increases manufacturing capacity, and diversifies our service portfolio. Our balance sheet continues to be strong, investment-grade rated, and positions Kirby to take advantage of future opportunities as they arise. We've also included the transition to the new management team at Kirby. David now has been our CEO for four years. Christian O'Neil has replaced Will Ivey as the President of the Marine Transportation Group. Joe Reniers is the President of the new distribution and service business, and Bill Harvey is our new Chief Financial Officer. This team will very capably lead Kirby, at least for the next decade.

It brings new energy and confidence to the company. I'm very confident that Kirby is in excellent hands going into the future. Although I will be less active, I will remain as Kirby's Chairman and look forward to working with the company to continue to create value for our shareholders. I want to thank the many Kirby employees who made my success possible, our shareholders who supported the company, and our board of directors who guided Kirby to become the company it is today. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. We're now ready for questions.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Okay, before we take the first question, I'd like to have Bill Harvey clarify a little bit on our guidance. I know it's a bit confusing between GAAP and the one-time charges. So I'm gonna ask Bill to come back and actually clarify that and make it a little more clear. Bill, please.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Sure. Thanks, David. Well, yeah, again, we wanted to ensure that the guidance we gave in the press release is well understood. The range of $2.15-$2.65 for the year, our range is a GAAP number. It includes the special items, the Higman acquisition costs, the amendment to the employee stock plan, severance, and the charge we are going to take in the second quarter associated with the retirement of Mr. Pyne. I'd note, however, that those charges are in our numbers, but we only moved our range down for the amendment to the employee stock plan and the charge we're gonna take in the second quarter related to the retirement.

We felt that the other two charges, given the strength of the inland marine market and the success of the Higman acquisition, we will make up through the year. And of course, on the severance charge we took, that has lowered the cost of the company going forward, and we believe we can make that up to the balance of the year. So again, our adjustment on our range only reflected $0.35, and including those two items, and the other two we're gonna make up through the year. And with that, I'll pass it back to the operator for questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star and two. As a reminder, we ask that you please limit your questions to one question and one follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.... Our next question comes from John Chappell from Evercore. Please go ahead.

John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)

Thanks very much. Joe, pleasure working with you the last 15 years. Look forward to keeping the dialogue going, both as the Kirby Chairman and, and on the DHT board. David, first question for you on the inland side. Obviously, the pricing commentary, I thought was pretty favorable. When you talk about that mid-single digit term, increase expected for the second half of the year, can you help us think about then, as you mark-to-market the remainder of the contracts, is that the same type of level we should be looking for, for 2019? I guess, kind of all else equal. And then kind of a quick, follow-on to that, too. If the spot pricing momentum that you saw late first quarter actually continues to build momentum, could we be looking for potential double-digit increases as early as the second half of the year as we talk about term?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah, the short answer is maybe. Which I know is not a very, not a very clear answer. But, let me just put the spot pricing in context of contract pricing. You know, all of last year, spot pricing was very low, kind of at cash breakeven in some cases. It's finally moved back up, as we said on our call, 10%-15% in the quarter, which is very encouraging. The business continues to be busy for a lot of reasons, right? Of course, we had a little bit of weather, but, look, the U.S. economy's doing better. Crude pricing is better. There's a little more crude moving on the water. Crack spreads are better.

Chemical price realizations seem to be pretty good. There's 20 new plants coming online in the next 12-24 months. So it, you know, demand is positive, and then supply has been rationalizing. We've had people taking barges out of circulation and retiring them. And also, not a lot of new building going on, which is good. So, you know, from a supply and demand picture, we're in balance, and we've remained pretty tight. Weather's getting better, and we're still, as an industry, our belief is remaining pretty tight. So, you know, this momentum could carry, could build. But for contract pricing, we need spot pricing to be above contract pricing. I think spot's kind of got to where contract pricing is now.

And if spot continues to build, then contract pricing will start to roll over to higher levels. You know, the magnitude of that remains to be seen, but you know, right now, I'd say the fundamentals and the dynamics in the industry are very positive. And you know, it's all good. The demand continues to be pretty strong, and supply is in check, and so it's a pretty good environment right now. Now, as that carries into 2019, look, it needs to happen. You can imagine what our industry's been through for the last several years, almost three years. You know, it's been pretty rough. And you know, rates need to get back up to where the industry can invest in equipment again.

And that's the long answer or the short answer to this long, rambling answer is that, yeah, rates should continue to go up, and 2019 should be better. It needs to be better for the industry to continue to replace equipment.

John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)

All right. That's a very helpful answer. And then for my follow-up, just trying to get a little more clarity on the, the bottleneck or the supply chain issues with diesel engine services. And, is there any way to kind of quantify the impact of that in the first quarter? And, and assuming probably not, but hopefully. Let me ask it another way, too, is-

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Sure.

John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)

Hearing some concern about, like, the bottleneck impact on the rest of the year, but it was obviously there in the first quarter as well. So as you think about the guidance in the rest of the year, do you think the supply chain issues will be more impactful than it was in the first quarter, less impactful, or about the same?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah. Our hope is they'll be about the same. The good news, I think, with the kind of supply chain constraints, and you're seeing it, you know, our customers are seeing it with sand and other things as well. I think it's good. It's gonna prolong the cycle, stretch it out a bit. Look, we're seeing it, you know, from things like engines and transmissions all the way to control panels and other pieces that go on these frack units. But, you know, the supply chain's responding, but it's doing so ratably. So my view is it'll probably kind of bounce along the way it's been for the, you know, the first quarter. It could get worse, but it—I don't think so.

It feels like the supply chain's responding. But I think more importantly, this feels like a very sustained, longer cycle than we've seen in the past. You know, shale has not just become the swing producer, but it's now a baseline producer. And as you know, some of the offshore projects, they have five-year gestation periods, and there's not been a lot of activity offshore. So even if offshore starts to come back, it's going to take years before that production hits. So, you know, our view is pretty positive on the longevity of shale. You know, it's got pretty strong decline curves, but it's the easiest stuff to turn on for the E&P companies.

So that's a long way of saying that, we're very optimistic about it. I think the supply chain will respond to it, and, and they're doing so, I think, intelligently, you know, kind of with ratable, production. So, all in all, I it's very positive.

John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)

Okay, great. Thank you very much, David, and all the best, Joe.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

Thank you. Thank you, John.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Jack Atkins, from Stephens. Please go ahead.

Jack Atkins (Analyst)

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just to start off-

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Morning, Jack.

Jack Atkins (Analyst)

Just to start off, I just want to, you know, echo John's comments to you, Joe, and, you know, congratulations on your new role within Kirby. I'll just say that you'll be very much missed on these calls, but I know everyone here is very happy for you as you move forward, and wish you nothing but the best.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Thank you.

Jack Atkins (Analyst)

So I guess for my first question, just kind of going back, David, to your comments on Higman, could you kind of give us an update on how the integration of Higman is progressing? You know, just sort of what you're seeing in terms of the initial ability to drive higher levels of utilization at Higman and reprice, you know, reprice some of their business. It seems like you're making some good progress out of the gates. Would just love to get a little more color there.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah. First, let me say, Jack, we are absolutely delighted with the Higman transaction. The quality of the employees that we got with that transaction has just been tremendous. We are really, really pleased with that. Their equipment's actually in pretty good shape, even though, as you know, they were stressed a bit financially and deferred some maintenance. But overall, you know, it's mostly new equipment or gently used equipment, if you will, and we're doing some catch-up maintenance. But by and large, the equipment's in pretty good shape. You know, their utilization, when we bought them, was a little lower. We've already, because of the market strength, been able to put that equipment to work, you know, absent the stuff that's getting some maintenance.

And then, you know, they obviously had some contracts and still do have some contracts that were set when prices were very low. That's going to take some time to roll off, and frankly, that's part of our guidance in both the first quarter and the second quarter. We either think by the third and fourth quarter of the year, things should start getting better. They also... You know, they had about 60% in contract and 40% spot, so the spot's going to respond a little quicker. Remember, when we say spot, we mean contracts less than a year. So some of those contracts could be six months, some could be nine months, some could be three months, some could be even shorter than that.

So it's varying degrees of how quickly things reset, but it's, you know, Jack, it's all very positive. You know, we're, I think we're very fortuitous in the timing of the acquisition, and everything we've seen, from employees to equipment, have been positive. And frankly, the synergies, the synergies are starting to happen in terms of horsepower management and in some of the cost savings. So I think it's, it's all setting up for the back half of the year to be, you know, accretive. That's part of what's in our guidance.

You know, when Bill said we didn't add back the Higman costs, or we didn't reduce our GAAP guidance by the Higman transaction fees and severance that we incurred, it's because, in part, we think we'll be able to make that up in the back half of this year, as the benefits of this Higman transaction continue to emerge.

Jack Atkins (Analyst)

Okay, great. Great. Thank you for that, David. And then for my follow-up question, just kind of shifting gears and looking at the coastal business for a moment. You know, very encouraged to hear that, you know, it seems like fundamentals there have at least bottomed. And I know there's probably still a ways to go before, you know, you're willing to get more constructive on your outlook there. But just curious in terms of, you know, what do you think it's going to take to get some improved utilization and pricing momentum back in that market overall? Obviously, you guys have taken a lot of actions yourselves to help improve industry utilization.

You know, when we look at sort of the earnings power of that business, I think, you know, ultimately, as we move forward, you guys are taking quite a bit of assets out, as I was saying a moment ago. How do you think about the ultimate earnings power for your coastal business today versus looking back to 2014, when we saw the last sort of peak?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah. Let me take that in pieces, if you will, Jack. First, I think in terms of bouncing along the bottom, and as Joe mentioned in his comments, some green shoots. Look, the industry is taking the appropriate steps. We've retired some vessels, some others are starting to do the same. You know, ballast water treatments requirements are helping that. But also importantly, you know, the crude environment has helped tighten up the MR tanker... the Jones Act MR tanker fleet. And as you know, some of those larger tankers were dipping down into the large barge market. And so as the MR tankers have gotten a little tighter, that's helped us get a little better utilization as an industry.

Also, the U.S. economy is doing a little better, and so, you know, it, we're starting to see a little demand pick up and then a little supply rationalization, maybe a little more than supply, a little more than a little rationalization, you know, given the magnitude of what we did. But, hey, look, we, to get to the second part of your question, we retired 11 barges. Many of those were lower in terms of barrel capacity. So, you know, we haven't put pencil to paper in terms of peak earnings power, but, you know, just in barge count, we went from 70 to the kind of mid-50s. We're about 55 barges.

So you could use that as a percentage in terms of peaks, but it's probably less than that because some of the smaller capacity was cut up, and the larger capacity is we still have. So if you look at our barrel capacity decline, that's probably a better, better metric. I don't have those in front of me, but Eric can get them to you if you want them.

Jack Atkins (Analyst)

Great. Thanks again for the time.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Thanks, Jack.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Randy Givens from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Randy Givens (Analyst)

Hey, guys. Yeah, thanks for the time, and congrats on the solid quarter. And, Joe, congrats on the official retirement. So, your press release covered a lot, so just a few quick questions. I know you gave a little more clarity on the guidance, but just to confirm a few things. So two questions: Why is there such kind of a large range between that, I guess, $0.60 and $0.80 for 2Q? What are the drivers there? What would cause it to be $0.60, and what would cause it to be $0.80?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah. Yeah. Bill, Bill and I can tag team this a little bit. But look, you know, rev rec is the changes in that. We used to have POC, and what's happened now is you essentially have completed contract, and it's not just completing the equipment, you've almost got to ship it. So a lot of things can move around, you know, in one week and puts a little more variability in it. I think the more important thing is to just look at our full year guidance, because I think that would average it out. We do realize the 20-cent range is a pretty big range, but a big part of that is rev rec.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Yeah. No, I to David's point, given the new rules on revenue recognition, you really have to point to in a contract when control passes, and that's really makes it difficult to forecast exactly when that will occur in a quarter. As we just put in our last press release, we did feel that about $0.05-$0.10 of what would have been under the old percentage of completion income would have ended up in the second quarter. I think that actually did occur, and we will provide in our 10-Q comparison between the first quarter under the new revenue recognition regime and percentage of completion, just to give you a reference point as to the differences between the two.

Randy Givens (Analyst)

Okay. And then when you're talking about looking at the full year, so obviously, Higman acquisition still not maybe fully integrated, some seasonal weakness on the D&S side. Would you expect earnings to increase kind of sequentially throughout the quarter, as pretty much all your business segments either are improving or at least stable on the coastal side?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah, that's correct. Again, said another way, of our kind of four business lines, so you get inland, coastal, and distribution services. We have the oil and gas piece, and then the commercial and industrial. I would say three of the four are kind of on an upward trajectory, and coastal's kind of bounced along the bottom. We think it's bottomed, and, you know, we're hopeful on green shoots, but that's too early to call. You're right, the quarterly progression is, as you said, because of the upward trajectory of the three other businesses.

Randy Givens (Analyst)

Okay. All right, then for my follow-up, just a quick question. What's the current revenue split between inland and coastal within that marine transportation? And I would assume it's probably widening as the markets continue to diverge and obviously growing the inland fleet, but for kind of one Q, what was that split?

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, the current split is 75-25.

Randy Givens (Analyst)

Okay. 75, inland, 25, coastal. All right. Well, that's it for me. Thanks so much for the time. Congrats again.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

All right. Thanks, Randy.

Operator (participant)

The next question comes from Kevin Sterling from Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Kevin Sterling (Managing Director)

Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Good morning, Kevin.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Good morning.

Kevin Sterling (Managing Director)

Yeah, and Joe, let me just echo, you know, the sentiment. I've enjoyed working with you the past 15 years, and glad to know you'll still be involved with Kirby, because you don't want to be at home too much and drive your wife crazy. I know my wife wants me out of the house as much as possible.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

That's, that's a certainty.

Kevin Sterling (Managing Director)

I speak from experience. So, let me, David, if you don't mind, you know, you guys integrating the Higman acquisition, it seems like it's going well. But as we've seen this pricing momentum in the business, how does your M&A pipeline look? Is it kind of given maybe a lifeline to some struggling operators that you may have looked at, or, you know, is the pipeline still pretty healthy?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

... You know, I think the pipeline's still pretty healthy. You'll recall, and you've heard, and maybe we can get Joe to chime in here. You've heard Joe over the years. It's usually the pipeline gets better as you come out of the bottom of the cycle. You know, nobody wants to really sell at the bottom of the cycle unless they're forced to. So, typically, as the market improves, you get a little better chance because people are a little more willing to look forward and, you know, that bid-offer spread closes a bit. But, Joe, you wanna comment on that? You've seen it over 40 years.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

Yeah, I think that what you just said is correct. I also would tell you that Higman was a sale that was essentially forged. So, I don't think anybody would want to sell their company at the asset values that Higman did. So you really will need to see the market rise a little more before I think you'll get active interest in selling anything. So I would suggest 6-12 months, you know, you may be in a little better environment than the environment that we're in today.

Kevin Sterling (Managing Director)

Okay, got you. Thanks, Joe, for that. I appreciate your, especially given your history, I appreciate that. And David and Joe, let me ask you one more follow-up question here. Obviously, we look at the spot market, you know, we've seen an increase, but I think we're also seeing an uptick in crude by barge. You know, I believe we're probably anywhere between 300 and 350 barges now moving crude up from maybe 150, but still below the peak we saw in Q4 2014, where it was north of 500. You know, is that kind of providing an uplift to the spot rates? And I'd assume, I think, I believe it's being driven by the spread between WTI and Brent.

Does that concern you, that we have seen the uptick in crude by barge in case the spread narrows, and then we see that, equipment, you know, might come back to the pet chem market or some of your other traditional markets looking for a home and could potentially pressure spot rates? Is that? Does that... My question?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah. No. No, yeah, the question makes sense. It's a good question. Yeah, I would say, well, our estimate is not 300 to 350. It's probably between 250 and 300 barges now in crude. But, but your point is, that, you know, there are more barges, moving crude. That, that's true. I think the spread helps, but, but I also think there's some infrastructure problems in terms of crude transportation. Just, just, not enough pipeline capacity. And, and, and again, some, some of the places you, you're not gonna get pipelines. So I think the, the stronger crude environment is helping. It certainly has soaked up some of the capacity, or the supply in the market.

But, you know, there are other things like the economy's better, and certainly the petrochemical environment is strong and growing. So it's not just crude. Crude's probably part of it, but it's a lot more than just that. But it certainly hasn't hurt, which I guess is your point. We're not overly concerned about the crude in this situation. You know, back when it was 500, 550, I think it peaked out, that was a little troubling, particularly because we knew pipelines were under construction. This feels a little different than that.

Kevin Sterling (Managing Director)

Okay. Thanks for that, David. Appreciate it. Thanks again for your time this morning, and see you in May.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

All right. Thanks, Kevin.

Operator (participant)

The next question comes from David Beard, from Coker & Palmer. Please go ahead.

David Beard (Analyst)

Hey, good morning, gentlemen.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Good morning.

David Beard (Analyst)

Joe, hopefully, you'll spend a little more time up in Maine.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

Hope so.

David Beard (Analyst)

My question really relates a little bit of history and where we are in the cycle on inland. You know, as you guys obviously know, historically, with utilization here, we did see some better, we would have seen some better rate increases, and you know, I think you've described it as there's been a couple of competitors really pressing down rates. Given where we are in utilization, and given those competitors are slowly either, you know, contracting or getting sold, you know, how do you think this cycle will play out compared to others?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah, well, I think we're coming off one of the worst down cycles the industry's seen. I think, and Joe can chime in here, but I think it's the last time it got this bad was probably in the early eighties, huh?

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

No, I think that's right. It was, you know, 1980, 1982 to 1986, was a very difficult cycle. And, you know, as you look at us coming out of this cycle, it reminds me of the kind of where we were in 2003 and 2004, where you came out slowly, but you built momentum, and, and frankly, I think we built momentum, you know, through 2014. The anomaly was the financial crisis, which, you know, collapsed volumes, but the market recovered.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

... pretty, pretty quickly, and from my perspective, too quickly, because it gave this false sense of business was gonna go on forever, and people built where in the 2003-2005 cycle, really through the end of 2008, you just had every year rate on, you know, rate, rate improvements. And the longevity of the cycle was a lot longer. So yeah, I feel or sense that we're really coming out of it the right way. You don't wanna see, you know, rates spike back up to over $8,000 a day overnight, because that encourages building that you don't want.

But, I think as rates go through the sevens, and I would, you know, fully expect that that would happen this year, they'll continue to build over a period of years, and we'll have a longer, more sustainable and frankly, higher peak than we saw in the last peak, which was probably 2014.

David Beard (Analyst)

Good, that's helpful. And then turning a little bit in the weeds relative to capital spending. It seems like there has been, you know, some catch up on the facility side, but also a little bit of, you know, deferred maintenance on Higman. Was some of this stuff anticipated, or do you think a little more than you guys expected? Or how would you kind of characterize the deferred maintenance?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Oh, I would say it is as anticipated.

David Beard (Analyst)

Mm-hmm.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

You know, with Higman, we knew we'd had some catch-up maintenance, and some of it gets capitalized, some of it gets expensed. You know, as we look back at our model, and we just did this, it's kind of as expected. So nothing surprising there. And in terms of facilities, we're in distribution and services, we are investing a little bit in the facilities. There are some areas that you know, you can imagine around the Permian and other places where you know, a little bit of facility investment can go a long way. So that's a bit in our CapEx guidance, but it's not over the top or anything like that. It's all thoughtful and has some really good prospects to enhance business and earnings.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Yeah, no, the original guidance was before Higman, and we wanted to really take a hard look before we moved the guidance, and that's why we waited until now.

David Beard (Analyst)

All right, great. Appreciate the time and all the color. Thank you, gentlemen.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Hey, thanks, David.

Operator (participant)

Our next question comes from Bill Baldwin from Baldwin Anthony Securities. Please go ahead.

Bill Baldwin (Partner)

Hey, good morning.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Hey.

Bill Harvey (EVP and CFO)

Morning, Bill.

Bill Baldwin (Partner)

David, David, wanted to ask you if you're seeing any perceptible change in attitude on the part of your petrochemical customers as they look out over the next 12-24 months with these new plants, and they see utilization picking up. Are they beginning to wanna come to the table and talk more now about their longer-term capacity needs?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Yeah, yeah, it's mixed, depending on the customer. You know, it's probably not best for me to point out the customers, but-

Bill Baldwin (Partner)

Sure.

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Well, one, I think they're very positive. All the petrochemical operations, even with the integrated companies, are very, very positive. You know, with the tax reform, that has only made them more positive about doing more here in the US and building more. You know, I think to a customer, they've expanded their capital spending, you know, since tax reform. So, also, ethane prices seem to be holding. The shale production continues to produce gas and ethane and really give the US petrochemical companies a huge feedstock advantage. So, we're very excited about what they're saying, and some of them are being very forthright about their capacity needs for barging, whether it's, you know, very specific or in generalities, but those discussions are happening.

Some customers, as you know, are very close and keep their thoughts pretty close to the vest, but others are talking about their longer-term needs and how they're growing. So it's a mixed bag.

Bill Baldwin (Partner)

And secondly, David, in terms of your seeing increased demand, maybe you said this, but, can you definitely indicate that some of this increased demand is coming from the incremental petrochemical capacity that's already come on, and you're seeing it now in your movements?

David Grzebinski (President and CEO)

Absolutely.

Bill Baldwin (Partner)

Very good. And, lastly, Joe, of course, it's been great, working with you over the years. Sure enjoy it, and it's been my pleasure.

Joe Pyne (Chairman)

Well, thank you, Bill. I feel the same.

Eric Holcomb (VP of Investor Relations)

All right, Cole, at this time, we have, we've run out of time, so we'd like to close out the call, and, I thank everybody for joining the call today. If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call at 713-435-1545. Cole, you can close it out.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.