Orion Energy Systems - Earnings Call - Q2 2026

Executive Summary

• EPS beat with narrower loss than Wall Street: diluted EPS of $(0.17) versus consensus of $(0.77), aided by 790 bps gross margin expansion to 31.0% and fourth straight positive adjusted EBITDA. Revenue of $19.9M was slightly below the $20.3M consensus, a modest miss.
• Management reiterated FY’26 guidance: ~5% revenue growth to ~$84M and at/near positive adjusted EBITDA, with LED and Maintenance modest growth and EV flat-to-slightly down.
• Operating discipline continues: total OpEx fell to $6.4M from $7.7M YoY; YTD operating cash flow of $1.3M and revolver reduced to $5.75M as of 9/30.
• Business development momentum: $8.5M in EV charging work in Massachusetts, an up to $11M Super ESCO government engagement, and up to $7M for North American auto customers; a major retail preventative maintenance renewal of $42–$45M over three years starts March 2026.
• Near-term stock narrative: EPS beat and margin expansion vs modest revenue miss; reiterated guidance and recurring-maintenance visibility are positives, while EV funding cadence and Voltrek earnout arbitration remain watch items.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

• Gross margin expanded to 31.0% (+790 bps YoY) on pricing, mix, and cost improvements; fourth consecutive positive adjusted EBITDA ($0.5M).
• Maintenance revenue grew 18% YoY to $4.5M despite lapsing an unprofitable contract; segment gross margin improved versus prior-year restructuring impact.
• EV charging margin strengthened sharply to 45.8% vs 23.7% YoY on mix; bookings included $8.5M in Massachusetts, with clarity on the availability of $5B in federal EV funds.
• CEO tone confident: “we see continuing growth, increasing profitability and expanding opportunity for Orion,” reiterating FY’26 outlook.

What Went Wrong

• Revenue was modestly below consensus as EV revenues remain near flat and LED revenue down ~2% YoY in Q2.
• EV segment guidance cautious (flat to slightly lower for FY’26) given funding and timing uncertainties despite improving visibility; limits top-line upside near term.
• Ongoing arbitration over the Voltrek earnout and liquidity considerations remain risk factors to monitor.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Orion Energy Systems' fiscal 2026 second quarter conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. In this call, Sally Washlow, Orion's CEO, and Per Brodin, its CFO, will review the company's second quarter results and its fiscal 2026 outlook. We will open the call to investor questions. Today's conference is being recorded. A replay will be posted in the investor section of the company's website, orionlighting.com. I will now turn the call over to Per Brodin, Orion CFO.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Thank you, Rivka. First, as a reminder, prepared remarks and answers to questions include statements that are forward-looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements generally include words such as anticipate, believe, expect, project, or similar words. Also, any statements describing future objectives or goals, company plans, and outlook are also forward-looking. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations. Risks include, among other matters, those that Orion has described in its press release issued this morning and in its SEC filings. Except as described therein, Orion disclaims any obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements made as of today. In addition, reconciliations of certain non-GAAP financial metrics to their nearest GAAP measures are also provided in today's press release. Now I will turn the call over to Orion CEO, Sally Washlow.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Thank you, Per. Good morning, and thank you for being with us today. I am extremely pleased to report our Q2 results highlighting a year-over-year increase of more than one-third in gross profit. This is also our fourth straight quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA. We recorded incremental growth in total revenue and significantly more than that in maintenance services, even as we unburdened ourselves of an unprofitable contract. We saw a welcome bounce back in EV charging as the sector-wide uncertainty of the earlier part of the year began to dissipate. When we last convened, I said that we were on track to achieve three milestones in fiscal 2026. Milestone one: by the end of the second quarter, a positive resolution that enables a publicly traded Orion to maximize its opportunity for growth in shareholder value. We achieved that by maintaining our NASDAQ listing.

Milestone two: by the end of the third quarter, the enactment of a growth profitability and cost containment initiative that enables Orion to become a recognized long-term market leader in its core businesses. This is already contributing in the second quarter, as we reported 34% higher gross profit and the fourth straight quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA. Milestone three: by the end of the fourth quarter, $84 million in revenue at or near a positive adjusted EBITDA for the full fiscal year. We are on plan, and our expectation for the fiscal year is unchanged. We have only just begun, and we are demonstrating building towards sustainable and profitable growth beginning in the second half of this year. Even in these early innings, it is gratifying to see that our work is being increasingly recognized and not just by our shareholders.

Our partners and customers have long recognized Orion as their go-to partner for installation, ongoing maintenance, and managed services for LED lighting and EV charging. We are also seeing an increase in activity related to quoting and winning work within electrical infrastructure. As I noted in our last call, industrial, commercial, and public sector facilities operated by some of the largest enterprises in the United States rely on Orion. With products made in America, along with a global supply chain, and now in our fourth decade, Orion serves as a go-to provider to Fortune 100 corporations and other global leaders in sectors ranging from manufacturing to government to retail. A recent illustration is last month's announcement of a major retailer's three-year renewal with us, representing recurring revenue of between $42 million-$45 million.

Our largest long-time customers stay with us year-after-year because we deliver unsurpassed quality and unsurpassed ROI. Whether deployed independently or in a combination with our ESCO and distribution partners, Orion's solutions deliver unrivaled ROI to industrial facilities requiring the most demanding standards of efficiency, reliability, and compliance. That recognition serves us particularly well at this pivotal moment. Just in Q2 alone, we saw an upswing in the lighting market with the recent Dodge Momentum Index report that commercial, industrial, and public sector construction planning is 33% ahead of year-ago levels. We see an improved outlook in the EV charging market with the confidence-boosting federal declaration reassuring the availability of $5 billion in government EV charging funds. We are beginning to see increased opportunities for electrical infrastructure installation and maintenance with megatrends from reshoring to refurbishing to replacing manufacturing and other industrial plants in the United States.

All of these tailwinds mean that Orion has a multi-sector reoccurring revenue wind at our back, whether it is in lighting, EV charging, or maintenance services. As I promised on our first call, we will continue to keep you apprised with increasing frequency and with increasing granularity throughout this fiscal year and beyond. Now, drilling down further on the second quarter. Once again, Q2 featured solid stability and progress in our three business lines as well as positive guideposts for the rest of the fiscal year. The quarter resulted in enhanced margins, reduced cost, and meaningful progress on the bottom line. We remain in a solid position for the full fiscal year. Orion's Q2 2026 revenue was $19.9 million versus $19.4 million in Q2 2025. Q2 2026 gross profit grew 800 basis points to 31% versus 23.1% in Q2 2025.

We achieved our fourth consecutive quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA. Per will provide details in a minute. Let's look at a quick snapshot of some of the highlights from Q2, which featured solid accomplishments in our three business lines. In lighting, we had some significant new business wins exemplified by $11 million in government lighting and up to $7 million in LED lighting for facilities belonging to some of the biggest names in the automotive industry. In EV charging, we saw a welcome bounce back from the uncertainty that the entire EV sector experienced in the first few months of the year. A particular Q2 highlight was the $8.5 million in EV charging work in Massachusetts. We also saw the confidence-boosting federal clarification reassuring the availability of $5 billion in government EV charging funds.

In maintenance, these and other engagements featured ongoing managed services that ramp reoccurring revenue and ensure a close, continuous, and expanding relationship with our enterprise customers. It's also important to note a couple of particular points about Q2. One is that our maintenance services achieved significant growth even while allowing the lapse of an unprofitable contract. Another is that EV charging showed a welcome bounce back from the uncertainty that the entire EV sector experienced in the first few months of the year. Our Q2 gross profit, now at 31%, a year-over-year jump of more than one-third, was also a standout. This was largely achieved by continuing reductions in LED lighting fixture cost via our ongoing improvements in reengineering, plant efficiency, and improved sourcing, as well as via both margin and volume increases in our maintenance services business.

We continue to benefit from the success of our cost control initiatives, and we expect to see ongoing improvement throughout the rest of the fiscal year. On the new business front, we continue to build our expanding pipeline of contracted LED lighting projects even as we penetrate and radiate within existing maintenance services customers. We are laser-focused on increasing sales in our LED lighting distribution business. On the new product front, we continue to gain traction with our value-based LED lighting fixtures. The marquee name here is Triton Pro, designed and engineered in response to popular demand from both customers and channel partners. Triton Pro is a competitively priced LED lighting line that is getting traction with a number of customers.

We also continue to partner with our customers to bring together seemingly discrete products and services into the connective tissue domain of electrical infrastructure, a name we've been dropping lately you may have noticed. Electrical infrastructure integrates offerings like LED lighting, high-voltage EV charging stations, and a high-impact array of maintenance and managed services. We'll have more to say about this initiative as well. For now, suffice to say that it is in response to requests from our customers as well as those megatrends I mentioned earlier: data centers, AI, manufacturing, retail, electrification, industrial, and complete commercial fleet management, and others. These are the headlines of the day. You see these headlines in The Wall Street Journal, in Barron's, in your hometown paper. You may have noticed that you see them in Orion press releases too.

Orion sits squarely in the confluence of these megatrends, and it has solutions to not just serve them but to accelerate them. With that, let me turn to Orion CFO, Per Brodin, to review our financial performance and outlook.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Thank you, Sally. Today, we reported fiscal Q2 2026 revenue of $19.9 million as compared to $19.4 million in Q2 2025, with two of Orion's three segments growing year-over-year. LED lighting segment revenue decreased 2% to $10.7 million compared to $10.8 million in Q2 2025, reflecting increased project activity and distribution channel sales offset by lower ESCO channel sales. Orion's expanded LED lighting project pipeline and efforts to drive growth in the distribution channel are expected to contribute to higher revenues in the back half of fiscal 2026 versus fiscal 2025.

Lighting achieved a Q2 2026 gross margin of 27.5% versus 25.4% in Q2 2025, with pricing increases, cost reductions, and sourcing initiatives being amplified by a more favorable Q2 2026 project and revenue mix. Maintenance segment revenue increased 18% to $4.5 million in Q2 2026 from $3.8 million in Q2 2025, reflecting the benefit of new customer contracts and the expansion of some existing relationships. We achieved a maintenance segment gross margin of 23.7% in Q2 2026 versus 15.3% in Q2 2025, as there was a significant inventory charge recorded in Q2 2025 as part of the segment restructuring. EV charging solutions revenue was $4.8 million in Q2 2026 compared to $4.7 million in Q2 2025, reflecting the expected completion of a significant project within the quarter.

EV achieved a strong gross margin of 45.8% in Q2 2026 versus 23.7% in Q2 2025 due to a strong improvement in sales mix. Our overall gross margin increased 790 basis points to 31% versus 23.1% in Q2 2025, reflecting pricing and cost improvements in all segments, particularly LED lighting and maintenance. We expect overall gross margin to remain strong in fiscal 2026, though it will likely vary on a quarter-by-quarter basis due to revenue mix and volume. Total operating expenses declined to $6.4 million in Q2 2026 from $7.7 million in Q2 2025, reflecting ongoing overhead and personnel expense reductions and earn-out expense of $0.6 million in Q2 2025 that did not recur in 2026. We expect operating expense to approximate Q2 levels in the remaining two quarters this year.

Reflecting stronger gross margin and lower operating expenses, Orion's Q2 2026 net loss improved to $0.6 million or $0.17 per share from a net loss of $3.6 million or $1.10 per share in Q2 2025. Adjusted EBITDA improved to a positive $0.5 million in Q2 2026 versus a negative $1.4 million in Q2 2025, reflecting cost control and financial discipline. As Sally mentioned, this was Orion's fourth consecutive quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA that puts our trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA at $0.9 million on sales of $80 million. Year-to-date cash provided by operating activities improved to $1.3 million in Q2 2026 from a use of cash of $2.5 million in the prior year period, primarily due to the improved bottom line performance. During the year, we have also had a net paydown of our revolving credit borrowings by $1.25 million.

Net working capital was $8.1 million at Q2 2026 versus $8.7 million at year-end, primarily reflecting the use of cash to pay down on the revolver. Available financial liquidity was $13.5 million versus $13 million at year-end. During the quarter, we issued $1 million of common stock and made $875,000 of cash payments to partially satisfy the VOLTREK earn-out obligation. Turning to our fiscal 2026 outlook, we have reiterated the fiscal 2026 revenue growth expectation of 5% to approximately $84 million that we initiated in June. We have also reiterated that our revenue growth outlook positions Orion to approach or achieve positive adjusted EBITDA for the full fiscal year, depending on revenue mix. This growth outlook anticipates modest growth in LED lighting and electrical maintenance revenues and flat to slightly lower EV charging revenues. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, would you please commence the question and answer session?

Operator (participant)

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Eric Stein of Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Your line is now open.

Eric Stine (Senior Research Analyst)

Hi, Sally. Hi, Per. Good morning. Good morning. Maybe just starting on the EV business, I mean, clearly a positive development with clarity from the government. I know that a lot of your business there has been through utility programs, but I guess I'm curious what you are seeing with some of your customers. I think this maybe goes hand in hand with the energy infrastructure initiatives and a bundled offering.

I do know that part of the reason that you made this acquisition a while back is because your customers were requesting these capabilities. Just curious what you're seeing from your enterprise customers.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Hi, Eric. Yeah, we're absolutely seeing some of that from our enterprise customers bringing, whether it's an LED lighting project that would have started out as that, but bringing then EV charging into their parking lots as well. That is some of the things that we're seeing. Our business had a lot of utility programs, but I think you've seen in recent announcements further expansion of the work with Boston Public Schools, MassDOT, as well as the state continues to build out its infrastructure, and then hiring additional salespeople. We hired a gentleman based in our Florida office to help further expand our geographic reach as well.

We have a couple of other areas targeted that we're investigating right now, and more to come on that.

Eric Stine (Senior Research Analyst)

Okay. I mean, I guess segue to energy infrastructure. Is this something where you feel like you can accelerate some of that traction if you are going to the market with more of a bundled offering? Or maybe that's—I'm not sure if that's how you think about it or not—but a bundled offering where, again, a customer just has one point of contact for everything that they want to do?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Yeah, we're certainly looking at that. A lot of it has been developed through customer requests. We're on-site. They see the work that we do. An example of this would be it started as an LED lighting project, but maybe they need help bringing their facilities up to code.

They turn to us to say, "Can you do that and manage that project for us as well?" Those are where the work in electrical infrastructure is expanding. We're at the very beginning of this as well, but even energy storage so that they look to offload the peak time. Working to develop relationships to bring energy storage into their facilities as well.

Eric Stine (Senior Research Analyst)

Got it. Okay. Maybe last one. You had the maintenance agreement renewal. I think we can all kind of guess who that customer is. Just curious, maybe not to that size given who that customer is, but what are you seeing on that front? Clearly, you are sounding more positive, although modest growth this year, certainly long-term on the maintenance side. What are you seeing in terms of demand there from other enterprise customers?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

We have some other customers as well. It's a little bit of a slower build as we work with them, but month over month that revenue is growing with them as well and the trust that they have in us. We think that that will continue to expand. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Eric.

Operator (participant)

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Samir Joshi of HC Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Good morning, Sally. Thanks for taking my call. Morning. Just a little bit more on the EV outlook. I know you are expecting flat or slightly lower year-over-year growth there, but in terms of the strategy going forward, given that these funds are now, the $5 billion are being made available, do you expect or are you planning to have some kind of a geographic expansion.

Or maybe a roll-up with some other similar businesses that might increase the size of your EV offering?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Yeah. Hi, Samir. We are certainly looking at a geographic expansion and, of note, hiring a sales gentleman to lead our Jacksonville office and then other areas of the country as well. The teams are working on mapping out where we best have personnel and then also where there's a lot of EV infrastructure work going on. We certainly expect further geographic expansion.

Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Understood. Switching to lighting, I think one of the things I may have misheard, but just making sure, the $42 million-$45 million recurring revenue potential, is that over the life of the contract or what do those numbers represent?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Yeah. It's a three-year contract renewal. That's over the life of the three-year contract.

Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. And then.

Of course, I should have started with congratulations on the cost control efforts and the results. I also heard during the commentary from both of you the word ongoing. Should we expect further improvements in gross margins to mid-30s or near that level? On the operating expense front, I have noticed in the last couple of quarters your sales and marketing expense as a percent of revenues have reduced. Are there some synergies you are seeing there that we may have missed?

Per Brodin (CFO)

Yeah. Samir, I think a couple of thoughts on those questions. I'll try to catch all of them. On the expense line, I think what I tried to convey is that the Q2, the most recent quarter that we completed from an OpEx standpoint, is the level that I think we expect for the next two quarters.

We are, I think some of the other comments are aimed at saying that we will continue to look for savings opportunities that are out there. At the same time, we'll also look for opportunities that we may need to invest a little bit of money as we did with the salesperson in EV because we think that will have a good payback for us as we expand sales in the EV segment. From a margin standpoint, I do not think in the near term we have an expectation of getting into the mid-30s. I think being in the neighborhood of the high 20s to 30 is probably more realistic. As I mentioned, there will definitely be some fluctuation there depending on mix as well as sales volumes that cover fixed costs within our COGS structure. Hopefully, that clarifies those two.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Yeah. Understood. No, thanks for that, Carl.

Per Brodin (CFO)

This last one maybe and just a clarification. The $875,000 paid during the quarter, were they part of, on a GAAP accounting basis, from a previous quarter or are these $875,000 included in the OpEx that are for the September ending quarter? The $875,000 that was paid had been accrued as of March 31, as was the $1 million that was paid in equity. We had the larger accrual at March 31. We made those two payments, and then there's still a remaining balance that, as we've disclosed separately, is subject to arbitration. We expect that to play out over the next quarter or so. Has that been accrued or is that pending the settlement? We've accrued what we believe is the appropriate amount, and that was accrued as of March 31.

Sameer Joshi (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks a lot for taking my questions.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Thanks, Samir.

Operator (participant)

As a reminder, please remember to dial star 11 on your telephone if you would like to ask a question. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Duzellum of Titan Capital Management. Your line is now open.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Thank you. I have a group of questions. I'd like to start with the lighting business. You brought in some talent to reignite ESCO distribution revenues. Would you please discuss whether there's been any tangible benefit yet? And I recognize it's very early to ask the question or whether that pipeline is still developing.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Hey, Bill. It's Per. Yeah. I think in my remarks, I mentioned that in the quarter our distribution channel revenues increased. And that's where the, I'll say, the main talent addition that we discussed back in the June timeframe was mentioned. I think that he has landed.

On solid ground and with a running start of some sort. Because of his connections within the industry. We think that he will continue to build that. That was consistent with another comment I made in my commentary. I think the ESCO channel, we've not made recent investments from a sales standpoint in that channel. That is a channel that we will also press on to ensure that we can maximize the opportunities on all three of the lighting channels. In spite of his short tenure, there already has been a benefit. If that's the case, presumably one doesn't hit their full stride and at maximum performance in just a few months. Presumably that business builds and that's part of what your comments were alluding to relative to the remainder of the year. That's correct. We.

Have high expectations as we move forward into the next two years.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Great. Per, did I hear you in response to my question also say that you will be adding additional sales talent in the distribution arena? If that is the case, are you essentially waiting for a little higher revenue so that you can pay for that individual who will then generate the next level and start layering on top of layers?

Per Brodin (CFO)

No, I did not say that. I'd say that it's something that would certainly be considered as the current executive continues to perform and as we evaluate other opportunities to grow that channel. No firm plans at this time.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. I'd like to shift to maintenance real quick. The quarter you said had a headwind because you had an unprofitable maintenance contract that you walked away from.

How much of a revenue headwind was that in the quarter?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

I do not have the exact number right now at my fingertips, but it was from last quarter. Quarter over quarter, or last year, I apologize. As those contracts lapse, we are growing the business in other areas was the intent of that. Last year, we essentially were wrapping up that contract in Q2 of fiscal 2025. There was a headwind of a tough comp, but it was not, I would just say round numbers, it would have been less than $500,000.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Oh, okay. Thank you very much. Did you add any notable business beyond your largest customer in the maintenance arena this quarter specifically?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

We have continued to add some customers or growth within customers beyond the large customer. The large customer does take up a significant portion of it.

They're of note to us because they are growing every month. We'll continue to watch their growth and further partner with them and gain more customers in that area.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Maybe another way to think about it, Bill, is we've gained new customers over the past year, and the business we're doing with them has expanded as we've moved forward in that relationship.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Per, I'm going to build off of that. Do you see an opportunity with those customers to continue to build further as you execute, or are you now reaching kind of a steady-state run rate with them and you'll be needing to add additional—not that you don't want to already, but you'll need to add additional customers to build revenue further?

Per Brodin (CFO)

I think it'll be a little bit of both. We don't believe we're at run rate with some of these newer customers.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

We think that will continue to expand, and we think we will continue to attract new customers as we move forward.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Right. Okay. That is helpful. At a high level, do you see the maintenance business as a lead generator for product sales, whether it be lighting or EV?

We are seeing some of that with the maintenance products. Sales within that segment are increasing. Certainly, we look to all customer touchpoints as potential lead generators into other areas. I guess, Sally, where I was going with that is, does it give you a special insight that you may not otherwise have if you were not inside the customer's four walls doing the work?

Yeah. I guess to answer that part of it, absolutely. We see some of that with the expansion of some of the services that we are doing.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Had we not been within the four walls of the customer and maybe doing work in other areas, and they're asking, "Can you project manage this part of bringing some of our systems up to code as well?" we wouldn't have gotten that business had we not been there working side by side with them.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

That's helpful. Thank you. I know I'm taking up a lot of time, but one additional question or clarification relative to the EV business. I thought two different things in terms of your commentary. One is that some level of caution for the remainder of the year for sales there, but that there's also more clarity on the EV rules and that bodes well for the future. Let me try to put a fine point on it here, that the Q1 EV revenue was $2.7 million.

Here in Q2, it was $4.8 million. Are you anticipating approximately holding at this $4.8 million for the next couple of quarters, or do you continue to see some level of growth from the $4.8 million?

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Yeah. I think we're cautious on our guidance for the year because we ultimately lost a couple of months there with all the uncertainty at the beginning of the year. Our expectation is to be flat to a little bit down in EV for the year. I think your numbers are right in the realm of what we expect to do for the next couple of quarters to deliver on that and start to regain some momentum from what was basically lost or at a standstill in the first quarter.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Great. Thank you both for the answers and letting me take all the questions. You bet.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

One moment for our next question.

Steve Ruddock (Gambling Industry Analyst and Consultant)

Our next question comes from the line of Steve Rudd of Blackwall. Your line is now open. Very encouraging results. Can you talk about the cost containment?

Per Brodin (CFO)

I mean, obviously, we're seeing top line, a top line trend of growth from a cost containment and cost leveraging point of view or infrastructure leveraging point of view. How much more room do we have to go? If I interpret your question properly, we think we have—I will step back. Earlier in the year, we think we right-sized the business so that we could be at or above break-even in the $80 million-$83 million of revenue standpoint. And that's on an adjusted EBITDA basis. I think now that we have four consecutive quarters of positive adjusted EBITDA and $80 million of trailing 12 revenues, I think that's holding true.

If you look at our guidance, we obviously are expecting a little bit stronger performance in the second half compared to the first half to get to the $84 million. In terms of what we can deliver with the infrastructure that we have, we think that we can leverage this infrastructure quite a bit. There certainly are some variable costs such as commissions on sales. We always are happy to pay increases in commissions because that means our sales are increasing. There will be some things like that that will come to us, but we think on an overall basis, we will be able to leverage this infrastructure with a fair amount of revenue growth. It is your assessment at this point that you have your baseline costs exactly where you would like them to be and not much more to be done there? I would say in general, yes.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

To one of my previous comments, you're always looking for opportunity for savings. Some of that you may need to try to find money to invest in growth opportunities. That's the balance that we'll continue to work on as we move forward.

Bill Dezellem (President and Chief Invsmt Officer)

Okay. All right. Thanks very much.

Per Brodin (CFO)

Thank you.

Operator (participant)

This concludes our Q&A session. I'll now turn the conference back to Sally Washlow for concluding remarks. I want to thank everyone again for taking time to join us today. We look forward to updating investors on our third quarter call in early February. In the interim, we hope to have an opportunity to meet with many of you either in person or virtually. We will be presenting at a number of conferences, including the Craig-Hallum Alpha Select Conference on November 18. Details will be coming out tomorrow, and the Singular Best of the.

Sally Washlow (CEO)

Undercovered's conference on December 11th. We will announce details via press releases. Please also reach out to our investor relations team with any questions or to set up a meeting. Their contact information is at the bottom of today's press release.

Operator (participant)

Thank you again for your interest in Orion. I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.