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    PINNACLE WEST CAPITAL (PNW)

    Q3 2024 Earnings Summary

    Reported on Feb 7, 2025 (Before Market Open)
    Pre-Earnings Price$86.71Last close (Nov 5, 2024)
    Post-Earnings Price$87.87Open (Nov 6, 2024)
    Price Change
    $1.16(+1.34%)
    • Strong Growth in High Load Factor Customers: PNW has committed to over 4,000 megawatts of extra high load factor customers, largely including data centers, that are either in construction or development. Additionally, they are working with over 10,000 megawatts of extra high load factor demand in the planning process, indicating robust future demand growth. ,
    • Increased Sales and Customer Growth Expectations: PNW expects weather-normalized sales growth of 4% to 6% for both 2024 and 2025, with contributions from residential, small business, large business, data centers, and manufacturing sectors. They are forecasting customer growth of 1.5% to 2.5%, consistently outperforming the midpoint of that range.
    • Efforts to Reduce Regulatory Lag and Improve Financial Performance: PNW is strategically increasing capital investments in projects eligible for recovery through mechanisms like the System Reliability Benefit surcharge and the FERC formula rates, covering over 40% of future capital investments, to improve timeliness of cost recovery and reduce regulatory lag. This approach is expected to smooth out earnings and provide better confidence in their 5% to 7% EPS growth guidance. ,
    • PNW's earnings growth is heavily reliant on reducing regulatory lag, but progress is uncertain due to potential changes in the Arizona Corporation Commission's composition and policies. The company acknowledges that smoother earnings depend on regulatory initiatives that may be delayed or altered with new commissioners.
    • Inflation has significantly increased PNW's operational costs, which are not yet reflected in current rates, potentially pressuring future earnings if not recovered. The company needs to file a rate case to "true up" these costs, but faces uncertainty in timing and regulatory approval, which could impact financial performance.
    • PNW may experience increased regulatory lag and earnings pressure due to its growing capital expenditure plan and the need to balance capital allocation without assurance of timely cost recovery. The company's capital investments could lead to lag in earnings if regulatory mechanisms are not improved.
    MetricYoY ChangeReason

    Total Operating Revenue

    +8%

    Higher retail rates from the 2022 rate case, increased customer demand driven by a hot summer, and underlying customer growth boosted revenue; partially offset by milder weather in earlier months and other seasonal factors.

    Operating Income (EBIT)

    +6%

    Primarily supported by increased operating revenues from new rates and weather-driven usage, though partially constrained by rising fuel and purchased power costs and higher O&M expenses; ongoing efficiency initiatives helped contain further cost pressures.

    SG&A

    +23%

    Led by increased administrative overhead such as IT upgrades and labor costs, as well as expanded marketing and customer service initiatives; the company continues to monitor and optimize these expenditures for future periods.

    Capital Expenditures (CapEx)

    -$666 million vs. +$2.678 billion (>100% change)

    Driven by completion of large-scale projects in the prior year’s period and strategic reallocation of capital to existing infrastructure rather than new major projects; this may indicate a temporary pullback ahead of the next investment cycle in grid modernization and clean energy.

    MetricPeriodPrevious GuidanceCurrent GuidanceChange

    EPS

    FY 2024

    $4.60–$4.80

    $5.00–$5.20

    raised

    Sales Growth

    FY 2024

    “Lower range than 4%–6%”

    4%–6%

    raised

    O&M

    FY 2024

    “2% overall increase”

    $1.01B–$1.03B

    no prior numeric guidance

    CapEx

    FY 2024

    no prior guidance

    $2.05B

    no prior guidance

    EPS

    FY 2025

    no prior guidance

    $4.40–$4.60

    no prior guidance

    Customer Growth

    FY 2025

    no prior guidance

    1.5%–2.5%

    no prior guidance

    Weather-Normalized Sales Growth

    FY 2025

    no prior guidance

    4%–6% (with 3%–5% from large C&I)

    no prior guidance

    Long-Term EPS Growth

    Long-Term

    no prior guidance

    5%–7% CAGR

    no prior guidance

    MetricPeriodGuidanceActualPerformance
    EPS
    Q3 2024
    The company did not change its 2024 EPS guidance but indicated that if the sales growth and weather trends experienced during the second quarter continue, they expect to be towards the higher end of their EPS range.
    3.48 USD (Basic EPS)(down from 3.51 USD in Q3 2023)
    Missed
    Sales Growth
    Q3 2024
    Weather-normalized sales growth guidance of 4% to 6%
    Actual total revenue grew from 1,637.76M USD in Q3 2023To 1,768.801M USD in Q3 2024, an increase of ~8%
    Surpassed
    O&M
    Q3 2024
    Overall ~2% increase in O&M for 2024
    Calculated O&M (COGS + SG&A) rose from ~864,539K USD ([614,520K + 250,019K] in Q3 2023) to ~939,443K USD ([631,382K + 308,061K] in Q3 2024), ~8.66% increase
    Missed
    TopicPrevious MentionsCurrent PeriodTrend

    Regulatory lag and delayed rate case timelines

    Q2/Q1/Q4 2024 repeatedly discussed regulatory lag docket, rate case timing delays, formula rates, and forward test years.

    Earliest practical rate case filing is mid-2025; new rates likely in late 2026. Focus on reducing lag through the regulatory lag docket and potential formula rates.

    Continues as a top priority; more clarity on mid-2025 filing and exploring formula rates.

    Equity issuance and shareholder dilution

    Q2/Q1/Q4 calls frequently mention equity plans (big block forward sale, ATM, hybrid securities) to sustain capital structure and limit dilution.

    Updated $700M–$900M equity need for 2025–2027. Emphasis on minimizing dilution using ATM and forward equity overlays.

    Remains a key strategy; slightly expanded equity need but still focusing on minimizing dilution.

    Expansion of high-load-factor customers (data centers, TSMC, manufacturing)

    Q2/Q1/Q4 calls emphasize significant growth from data centers, TSMC expansions, and manufacturing, supporting 4%–6% sales growth.

    Over 4,000 MW of committed extra high-load-factor C&I demand; up to 10,000 MW in planning, notably data centers. TSMC ramping multiple fabs.

    Continues growing; large backlogs and sustained demand, critical to future earnings and development.

    Weather-normalized sales growth forecasts

    Q2: 5.5% growth, aligned with 4%–6% range. Q1: 5.9% but guided 2%–3% for the year. Q4: expected 2%–4% near term, 4%–6% longer term.

    Maintains 4%–6% long-term forecast, buoyed by robust demand from large C&I and residential growth.

    Stable at 4%–6%; continues to track higher end with strong C&I pull.

    5% to 7% EPS growth guidance

    Q2/Q1: No explicit mention of 5%–7%. Q4: Reaffirmed off 2024 midpoint, supported by SRB and regulatory improvements.

    Reaffirmed at 5%–7% from the midpoint of $4.60–$4.80 EPS for 2024.

    Remaining a core target; consistent guidance reiterated in Q3.

    System Reliability Benefit (SRB) surcharge for cost recovery

    Q2/Q1/Q4 highlight SRB as key to reducing lag for utility-owned generation. Q4 expected cost recovery 180 days post in-service.

    Cited as crucial for 40% of future CapEx to recover costs more promptly. Enabling about 800 MW of company-owned projects.

    Ongoing importance; actively used to mitigate lag and boost owned generation.

    FERC formula rates for improved cost recovery

    Q2/Q1/Q4 reference interest in formula rates under the regulatory lag docket; increasing FERC transmission spend for timely recovery.

    Mentioned as part of broader plan, with 40% of capital also qualifying for formula rates.

    Still evolving; integral to reducing lag, consistent focus in regulatory docket.

    Credit metrics and FFO to debt targets

    Q2: No clear mention. Q1: aimed for 14%–16% FFO/debt. Q4: discussed 14%–16% target and stable ratings.

    Emphasis on maintaining balanced metrics via sales growth and careful equity issuance. No specific ratio target cited.

    Still a priority; details less explicit in Q3, but company remains focused on stable credit ratings.

    Significant capital investments and large-scale load growth (4,000 to 10,000 MW)

    Q2/Q1/Q4 note rising CapEx to meet data center/manufacturing growth, referencing thousands of MW in backlog.

    Capital plan $9.65B through 2027, +24%, driven by data centers & TSMC. Over 4,000 MW committed, up to 10,000 MW pending.

    Accelerating with major expansions and multi-year commitments.

    O&M expense management

    Q2/Q1/Q4 emphasize lean culture, major outages, and pulling forward costs. Shift in timing and structural changes (e.g., health insurer switch).

    2024 O&M guidance up to $1.01B–$1.03B; pulling projects forward. Expect meaningful decline in 2025.

    Actively managed; near-term increase, followed by projected decline.

    Changes in the regulatory environment and new commissioners

    Q2 described ACC elections but no major changes yet. Q1 had no explicit mention. Q4 recognized improved ACC collaboration and new docket for lag.

    Could see 3 Republicans on ACC, maintaining current alignment on the regulatory lag docket. Potential policy statement or rule change on rate-making approach.

    Stable or constructive environment remains likely with new commissioners.

    Large planned outages

    Q2 cited large outages in second half of 2024 at Four Corners. Q1 had Palo Verde refueling. Q4 included major outages at Four Corners, Red Hawk, Palo Verde.

    Mentioned final Four Corners Unit 5 outage in spring 2025; minimal Q3 focus.

    Slowing after 2024–2025; fewer large outages ahead.

    Potential cost-of-service issues for C&I customers

    Q2: No direct mention. Q1: Acknowledged cost allocation concerns with high-load-factor customers. Q4: Not explicitly addressed.

    Company ensuring take-or-pay or similar strategies so large builds don’t shift costs to other customers.

    Ongoing caution; focusing on fairness to prevent cost shifting from big C&I loads.

    1. Regulatory Lag and ROE Improvement Timing
      Q: How much are you lagging in 2025 ROE, and when will it improve?
      A: Andrew Cooper explained that due to increased CapEx and operating costs not fully recovered, there is regulatory lag impacting ROE in 2025. They plan to file a rate case, possibly by mid-2025, with rates effective in the latter half of 2026, to true up costs and improve ROE. Reducing regulatory lag remains a focus to achieve earnings closer to their authorized return. [Indices 2, 10]

    2. CapEx Increase and Financing Plan
      Q: How will you fund the increased CapEx, and does the $725 million equity block net against the $700–$900 million figure?
      A: Andrew Cooper confirmed that the $725 million equity from the February block hasn't been drawn yet and does not net against the $700–$900 million incremental equity needed over 2025–2027. They plan to fund the increased CapEx with less than 40% equity, utilizing tools like at-the-market offerings and forward agreements, and exploring alternative financing options like DOE programs and hybrid securities. [Indices 3, 15, 16]

    3. Data Center Load Growth
      Q: What is the pipeline of data center demand, and are there transformative large data centers?
      A: Theodore Geisler reported over 4,000 megawatts of committed high-load customers, mainly data centers, in development, and over 10,000 megawatts in planning stages. While current projects are relatively distributed, there are a couple of larger single requests in early planning that could significantly impact their system. [Indices 4, 5, 6]

    4. Earnings Growth Expectations and Regulatory Lag
      Q: Is the 5%–7% EPS CAGR dependent on reducing regulatory lag?
      A: Andrew Cooper stated that while reducing regulatory lag would help smooth earnings growth, the 5%–7% EPS CAGR is not solely dependent on it. They are confident in their rate base growth, focusing on capital allocation to assets with appropriate recovery, and aiming to earn closer to their authorized ROE through effective cost management and upcoming rate cases. [Indices 7, 11]

    5. Inflationary Trends and O&M Costs
      Q: How are inflation trends impacting O&M and future rate cases?
      A: Andrew Cooper noted that while some inflation persists, costs are stabilizing. They increased O&M in 2024 by pulling forward projects and funding customer assistance programs due to a hot summer. In 2025, they expect O&M to decrease, focusing on cost management. In future rate cases, they aim to true up costs to reflect the current environment, as the last rate case didn't capture recent inflation impacts. [Indices 12, 14]

    6. Rate Design for Large Loads
      Q: Are you considering take-or-pay contracts for large customers?
      A: Jeffrey Guldner acknowledged that they are engaging with large-load customers to protect existing customers from potential cost shifts. This includes considering rate design changes like take-or-pay contracts to ensure growth pays for growth and prevent any cost shifts to other customer classes. [Index 8]

    7. Elections and Regulatory Outlook
      Q: How might the election results affect regulatory proceedings?
      A: Jeffrey Guldner noted that preliminary results suggest three Republican commissioners leading, who generally align with current commissioners on issues like the regulatory lag docket. He anticipates continued constructive work on regulatory matters if these results are confirmed. [Indices 0, 9]

    8. All-Source RFP and Ownership Opportunities
      Q: How much of the All-Source RFP have you been able to build yourselves, and what's your expected win rate in future rounds?
      A: Theodore Geisler stated they've more than doubled their owned projects since the SRB, with about 800 megawatts of projects contracted and under development. Although they haven't reached their long-term target of a 40%–50% ownership mix, they continue to increase owned assets through ongoing and future RFPs. [Index 13]

    9. Alternative Financing and Nuclear PTC
      Q: Are you considering alternative financing options, and how does the nuclear PTC factor in?
      A: Andrew Cooper mentioned they are open to alternative financing, including DOE programs and hybrid securities, while preferring a straightforward capital structure. Regarding the nuclear PTC, they are awaiting guidance but expect it to benefit customers by deferring capital investment costs, and it is not included in current earnings guidance. [Indices 16, 17]

    10. O&M Pull Forward and Regulatory Lag Docket
      Q: How much O&M was pulled forward into this year, and could the regulatory lag docket be enacted before filing a rate case?
      A: Andrew Cooper explained they don't break out the exact amount of O&M pulled forward but have derisked projects over a multi-year horizon, including bringing forward projects due to favorable weather. Regarding the regulatory lag docket, Jeffrey Guldner noted it's possible they could file a rate case prior to the issuance of a policy statement and are monitoring the timing closely. [Indices 18, 19]

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