SPX Technologies - Q1 2024

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Operator (participant)

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q1 2024 SPX Technologies Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Paul Clegg, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us. With me on the call today are Gene Lowe, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Carano, our Chief Financial Officer. The press release containing our first quarter results was issued today after market close. You can also find the release in our earnings slide presentation, as well as a link to a live webcast of this call in the Investor Relations section of our website at spx.com. I encourage you to review our disclosure and discussion of GAAP results in the press release and to follow along with the slide presentation during our prepared remarks. A replay of the webcast will be available on our website until May 9th. As a reminder, portions of our presentation and comments are forward-looking and subject to Safe Harbor provisions.

Please also note the risk factors in our most recent SEC filings. Our comments today will largely focus on adjusted financial results. Comparisons will be to the results of continuing operations only. You can find detailed reconciliations of historical adjusted figures from their respective GAAP measures in the appendix to today's presentation. Our adjusted earnings per share exclude primarily acquisition-related costs, non-service pension items, mark-to-market changes, amortization expense, and in Q1, the favorable tax effect of stock-based compensation awards that were exercised during the quarter. Finally, we will be meeting with investors at various events during the second quarter, including at the Oppenheimer Annual Industrial Growth Conference on May 8th, which will be virtual, the UBS Reshoring and Infrastructure Conference on June 4th in New York, and at the William Blair Annual Growth Stock Conference in Chicago on June 6th.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Gene.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Thanks, Paul. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call today, we'll provide you with an update on our consolidated and segment results for the first quarter of 2024. We're also increasing our guidance for the full year. We had a strong start to the year. In Q1, our company continued to execute well and drove substantial growth in all of our key profit measures, with significant year-on-year increases in margin. We continue to experience robust demand across key markets. Our acquisitions are performing well, and our production facilities are operating at high levels of efficiency. Today, we are raising our full-year 2024 guidance. Our new midpoint reflects year-on-year growth of 30% in Adjusted EBITDA and 23% in Adjusted EPS. Turning to our high-level results.

For the first quarter, we grew revenue by 16.4% and adjusted EBITDA by 47% year-on-year, with 410 basis points of margin expansion. Last month at our Investor Day, we shared a new framework for the continuation of our value creation journey. We intend to further build on our strong foundation of niche engineered and tech-enabled products, strong positions, moats, and sustainable solutions. We'll also continue to leverage our business system to drive value through growth investments and initiatives, as well as through strategic M&A. Our new framework targets average EBITDA growth of 15%+ annually at margins of more than 20%. Now, I'll update you on the progress of some of the key initiatives during the quarter. In Q1, we continued to drive continuous improvement and efficiencies across our businesses, advancing on several fronts.

In our HVAC segment, our initiatives are helping to expand our addressable markets by broadening our range of application-specific solutions for various price points. This includes a successful value engineering project that helps create a more flexible fluid cooler solution with reduced material costs. Integration of our recent acquisitions is also going well and driving value. We are creating numerous opportunities for cross-selling, including broadening the sales channels for our market-leading duct heating products. Our acquisitions are also benefiting from SPX's supply chain management tools, which are helping to reduce lead times and further improve our competitive position. In detection and measurement, we continue to advance our digital initiatives. During Q1, we gained further traction on cross-segment software and IoT, or Internet of Things, development and resource sharing.

Looking ahead, we see significantly more room to continue driving value through our business system, including through continued investments in automation and R&D. Now, I'll turn the call over to Mark to review our financial results.

Mark Carano (CFO)

Thanks, Gene. Q1 was a very strong quarter for SPX Technologies. Year-on-year, our Adjusted EPS grew 34% to $1.25.

... For the quarter, total company revenue increased 16.4% year-over-year. Organically, revenue grew 2.3%, largely driven by Detection and Measurement, while acquisitions drove a 14% increase, and FX was a slight tailwind. Consolidated segment income grew by $25.4 million, or 34.1%, to $99.8 million, while segment margin increased 290 basis points. For the quarter in our HVAC segment, revenues grew 20.2% year-over-year. Acquisitions contributed growth of 22.2% and included TAMCO and Ingenia in our cooling platform and ASPEQ in our heating platform. The FX impact was nominal. On an organic basis, revenues declined to 1.9%, driven by lower sales of hydronic equipment associated with unseasonably warm weather in our end markets.

This followed a substantial increase in heating volumes in the prior year period that was supported by elevated backlog following the pandemic. Year-on-year organic decline was partially offset by higher sales of cooling and electric heat products. Segment income grew by $20.7 million or 43.4%, while segment margin increased 360 basis points. The increases in segment income and margin were due primarily to our recent acquisitions and favorable sales mix in both cooling and heating. Segment backlog at quarter end was $462 million, up 20% organically from the prior year period. For the quarter, in Detection and Measurement, revenues increased 9.9% year-on-year, driven by organic sales growth and a modest FX tailwind. The increase in revenue was largely driven by higher CommTech project sales.

Q1 revenue included delivery of the remainder of a large CommTech project, the majority of which shipped in 2023. It also benefited from earlier than anticipated delivery of other projects previously expected in Q2. Year-on-year, segment income grew $4.7 million, and margin increased 130 basis points, primarily due to operating leverage with higher revenue. Segment backlog at quarter end was $207 million, down 16% organically from the prior year period due to deliveries of the large CommTech project. Absent the effect of this project, backlog was up high single digits. Turning now to our financial position at the end of the quarter. We ended Q1 with cash of $106 million and total debt of $855 million. Our leverage ratio, as calculated under our bank credit agreement, was 2x.

We continue to anticipate our leverage ratio declining to the lower end of our target range of 1.5x-2.5xby year-end, assuming no additional capital deployment. Moving on to our guidance. Based on strong Q1 results and a robust demand outlook, we are increasing our guidance for Adjusted EPS to a range of $5.15-$5.40, compared with a prior range of $4.85-$5.15. The new midpoint reflects year-on-year growth of approximately 23%. We are raising our guidance for HVAC and maintaining guidance for Detection and Measurement. We now anticipate HVAC revenue in a range of $1.36 billion-$1.4 billion, or an increase of $30 million at the midpoint from prior guidance.

We also anticipate HVAC segment income in a range of 22.25%-23.25%, or an increase of 100 basis points from the prior range. At a total company level, we anticipate adjusted EBITDA in a range of $390 million-$420 million. At the midpoint, this reflects year-on-year growth of 30% and a margin of more than 20%. With respect to gating, in HVAC, we expect a sequential step-up in revenue in Q2 due to a full quarter of the Ingenia acquisition and increased cooling production capacity. We expect Q4 to be the highest revenue and margin quarter in winter heating demand. For D&M, we expect Q1 to be the highest revenue quarter, as we've delivered the remainder of the large CommTech project I mentioned.

We also anticipate a heavier weighting of higher-margin projects in the second half. As always, you will find modeling considerations in the appendix to our presentation. I'll now turn the call back over to Gene for a review of our end markets and his closing comments.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Thanks, Mark. Current market conditions are supportive of our updated 2024 outlook. Within HVAC, we continue to see strong demand for our cooling products across a broad set of end-market applications, including data centers, semiconductor plants, and industrial facilities. We also continue to see solid demand for electric heat associated with decarbonization. In Detection and Measurement, we continue to experience flattish global demand in our short cycle businesses, with regional variation, while project orders remain healthy. In summary, I'm very pleased with our Q1 performance and strong start to the year. With robust demand and significant operational momentum, we're well positioned to achieve our updated full year guidance, which implies 30% growth in Adjusted EBITDA. We see multiple opportunities to continue growing our businesses, both organically and through our attractive acquisition pipeline.

...Looking ahead, I remain very excited about our future. With the right strategy and a highly capable, experienced team, I see significant opportunity to continue driving value for years to come. With that, I'll turn the call back to Paul.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Thanks, Gene. Operator, we will now go to questions.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Bryan Blair with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Bryan Blair (Managing Director)

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Hey, Bryan.

Mark Carano (CFO)

Good afternoon.

Bryan Blair (Managing Director)

Another great quarter. Excellent start to the year. To kick things off, we could level set on the lift in HVAC revenue guidance, up $30 million versus the prior guide. How much of that is organic versus stronger deal contribution from ASPEQ? We have a couple of months left in the inorganic period there, or stronger Ingenia growth, obviously, pretty early days.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Hey, Bryan, this is Paul. I'll take that one. So yeah, the guidance midpoint was raised by about $30 million on the revenue line, and on the margin basis, about 100 basis points. The biggest driver is really the flow-through of the higher revenue, which comes at attractive gross margins. And really, all of the revenue increase is associated with organic here. So really, the biggest single factor is organic. We did say that our acquisitions are integrating well, and we do expect them to have a little bit higher margin than we previously did.

Bryan Blair (Managing Director)

Okay. Excellent. So I know the prior outlook, you had baked in something in the range of 7% organic growth in HVAC, so that moves, you know, closer to the 10% level. That's quite robust. How should we think about that in terms of cooling versus heating contribution? I would assume that it's, you know, notably weighted to the cooling side, but, you know, better to ask and level set on that.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Yeah, that's correct. Of the year-over-year increase that you're looking at here... Let me give you a little, little bit more here, because, yeah, we talked previously about something in the neighborhood of $150 million of acquisition revenue coming into this year. So that's, your number is spot on pretty much for HVAC, then being around 10% organic. And yeah, the lift is primarily, it's gonna be stronger on the cooling side, but we do still expect to get growth on the heating side. So if you're looking at double digits, low double digits, on cooling, you're looking at something like, you know, more like, single digits on, mid-single digits or lower on, heating.

Bryan Blair (Managing Director)

Understood. Appreciate the detail there. And then for D&M, how did orders trend through Q1 and into early Q2? And, you know, what are you contemplating in terms of the full year outlook for project versus run rate business, and what, if anything, is assumed in terms of, you know, infrastructure spending contribution as the year moves forward?

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

I'll start off that one with the numbers you're looking for, Bryan. Yeah, so, you know, overall, our orders were pretty good, for the overall company, but that was stronger in HVAC and a little bit less in D&M. If you comp them against last year, you've got to take into account the fact that we had some large projects that got delivered, both in the back half of last year and then in the first quarter here as well. So the book-to-bill was a little less than 1 in D&M; it was about 1.2 in HVAC. As we look throughout the year, as you know, our guidance for this year for revenue, it's all organic, and it has us being roughly flat, maybe slightly down with the prior year.

That includes a little bit of a hole left by the delivery of a large... we had a large project last year in CommTech. We talked, called it kind of a pass-through project because it had lower than typical margins associated with it, and that left us with about a $30 million hole to fill in this year. And so we're bringing that back up with mostly with other projects that are coming into the year.

Mark Carano (CFO)

So Bryan, I think when you think about the growth year-over-year, ex the CommTech project, it's about 5% top line growth. With respect to your question on infrastructure, you know, we are seeing some benefit of the infrastructure dollars. I think we've highlighted this in prior calls. Where we're really seeing it right now is primarily on the transportation side of our business. I think that's a function of the fact that those projects are probably more ready for delivery, relative to other projects that may be out there that we'll benefit from. So you know, that's really the first line where we're seeing activity and a benefit to the business from those various federal spending bills.

Bryan Blair (Managing Director)

Understood. Thanks again, guys.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Thanks, Bryan.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Damian Karas with UBS. Your line is now open.

Damian Karas (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, good evening, everyone. Congrats on the really strong start to the year.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Thanks, Damian.

Damian Karas (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

So it seems like the majority of your EPS guidance raise for the year is coming from the HVAC margins. 100 basis points increase from your original guide, so that's quite impressive this early in the year. Could you just talk about what's driving that? I know you mentioned maybe the acquisitions are a little bit better than you'd anticipated. That's not driving all 100 basis points, is it? You know, is there lower heating mix that's playing in? Maybe you could just talk about that margin raise and what's supporting your confidence that this accelerated path can continue.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah, Damian, I'll, I'll start off. This is Gene. I think overall, with the HVAC end market demand, we actually feel really good about what we're seeing, and we're seeing a lot of strength. As you know, our products play in very many different end markets, but some of our larger ones really have a lot of strength. In particular, I'd call out tech, healthcare/pharma, and then industrial. If you look at tech, data centers are very strong, and we are seeing some nice growth there. We just have very strong competitive positions across a number of our product lines, and we're doing very well there. Semiconductor and EVs are also had some notable wins, and we're seeing some nice strength there.

Healthcare and pharma, this is an area that tends to have high specifications and high requirements, and those are markets that we do very well on. That is a substantial portion of our business, and we're seeing nice, nice progress and momentum there. And the last one's industrial. Industrial is our largest end market in our HVAC area, and we're seeing very strong aftermarket, also supplemented with some reshoring projects. So if you look at it, you know, I think on the end market side, we just feel really good about our positioning and markets we play in. You wanna talk, Mark, about the margins a little bit deeper?

Mark Carano (CFO)

Yeah. I think, you know, Damian, as we've talked about in, you know, prior quarters, right? We continue to see, you know, efficiencies across our platform, on the cooling and heating side. You know, we continue to invest in those businesses to both, improve production, as well as, you know, reduce labor utilization that's required, in those plants. So it's really dropping through. It's creating a lot of efficiencies in those plants, and that's, that's really a function of the new capital that we've talked about, that we're deploying, this year in those plants. That was a process that started, last year in earnest, primarily. And then also, you know, we continue to find new opportunities on the CI front, to drive more efficiency through those plants, whether that's through, plant layout or footprint, things of that nature.

Damian Karas (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

That's really helpful. Appreciate it. And, Gene, very, very helpful comments on the end market verticals and what you're seeing. I was wondering if you could just maybe take us a little bit of a walk across the different, you know, units within HVAC cooling, 'cause you just have so much under the hood there now with all the acquisitions in recent years. You know, thinking about cooling towers, you've got the fans business, dampers, there's a lot of areas where you're playing. Are you kind of seeing a similar level of growth across there, or are there any particular areas of the business that really stand out? Appreciate any, you know, just kind of color on HVAC cooling.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah. So I think, cooling, you know, we really view ourselves as the, you know, we invented the cooling tower. We believe we're the global leader in cooling. We just have a very strong position there. We see very nice momentum across our businesses there. We play in a lot of the attractive end markets that I discussed. We're seeing very nice growth there organically. In engineered air movement, which would be Cincinnati Fan, TAMCO. TAMCO has a very strong position with data centers and is benefiting from a lot of the growth, very diverse customer base there. Seeing very nice growth on the EAM side. And then Ingenia is new, our newest acquisition, but our biggest challenge there is being able to produce the demand. We have very strong demand there.

I do believe they have a better product than what's available in the market. They really, we're very, very pleased with that. So, again, very nice growth, and then also growth opportunities ahead for us there. On the heating side, what I would say is, we've always said, hydronics, you're not gonna see particularly high growth there. You know, that's gonna be more of a mid-single-digit growth, and I think that's, you know, and there is the weather, which, you know, can move the TAM up or down in any given winter environment. But I'd say we're anticipating modest mid-single growth there. And then electric heat, we're also seeing some growth there. But I would say the biggest growth areas would be the three primary cooling product categories.

But we're very, we really like our value props in these markets. And one of the things that we talked about in our Investor Day is we see a lot of synergies, and there are real hard synergies across our rep channel, across our relationships with the engineers, and we're starting to unlock some of these, and we actually think it's early days, for us on that, on that path. So yeah, we feel our HVAC segment has really had some nice momentum over the past couple years, and we like the position and the really strong team, and we feel good about where we're going there.

Damian Karas (Senior Equity Research Analyst)

Great. Thanks for the added color. Best of luck, guys. I'll pass it along.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Thanks.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Thanks.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. One moment for the next question. Our next question comes from Ross Sparenblek with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Ross Sparenblek (Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, good evening, guys.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Hey, Ross. Good evening.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Hey.

Ross Sparenblek (Equity Research Analyst)

Hey, nice start to the year here. You know, looking at Detection and Measurement, I think we all understand the tough comps, but just given the backlog growth and the, you know, not revised full year guidance, I mean, it seems to indicate that locators are gonna see further deceleration, at least into the second or third quarter. Is that kind of the expectation?

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

So, no, I think you, Ross, what you may be seeing there is there's a little bit of a comparison issue in L&I against the year ago period. If you kind of look at across the different quarters of last year, L&I had its lowest quarter in the first quarter of last year. Sorry, highest quarter, is what I meant to say, in the first quarter of last year, where you still saw fairly healthy levels of demand. We did call out that things got a little flattish, you know, during the back half of the year. As we look at the full year this year, we're expecting that to be pretty flat overall.

In fact, it would, you know, both in terms of, its contribution from revenue and profit standpoint, be pretty, pretty much in line with what it was last year, based on what we're seeing. So the, you know, again, the-- if you look at the backlog, backlog for Detection and Measurement, is down really as a result of the large, order that we delivered in, throughout last year, and with the final large delivery being in the first quarter of this year for that CommTech project that had lower, than typical margins associated with it. Hopefully, that helps a little bit to straighten that.

Ross Sparenblek (Equity Research Analyst)

Yeah, no, that's helpful. I mean, sticking on the project cycle, sounds like second half, you have some larger projects hitting. Can you maybe give us a sense of price and how we should think about mix as it relates to, again, the guidance for the full year?

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Yeah. For Detection and Measurement, specifically, you know, kind of the various parts of the business, it's really all, or rather the vast majority of it. We'll get some price, but the vast majority of what we see in D&M is typically volume. So again, it's that decline from the volume associated with a large project, offset by improvements in other project areas, largely speaking. If you look at it on the HVAC side, price volume there, or price, yeah, price volume there, you're looking at something like 10% organic growth. I would say that's gonna be modest price and mostly volume there.

Ross Sparenblek (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay, that's perfect. And then maybe one more, if I could. Can you just remind us of what the minimum cash requirements are to run the business, as we think about debt paydown, absent any, you know, creative M&A?

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah, I mean, you know, Ross, absent M&A, really, I mean, this year we're in a, this year and last year, we're in a, you know, what I would call a, you know, a capital cycle, where we're spending more than we have typically spent. We're gonna be closer to 2% of revenue, but, you know, on an average basis, I think we said that should be between 1-1.5 times as a percent of revenue, just to support the business. And then you, you'd have normal working capital needs, depending on the scale of the business and where you are, in the quarter, which will, you know, vary.

Ross Sparenblek (Equity Research Analyst)

Okay. I'll pass it along. Thank you.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Thanks, Ross.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Steve Ferazani with Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Good evening, everyone. Great quarter, so I don't want to be too much of a downer, but I do want to ask about the sort of your one underperforming platform, the location and inspection. You know, I know, Gene, previously, you've always talked about that being the most GDP-dependent platform. I mean, I think you indicated the weakness you were expecting was gonna be from Europe, while U.S. was doing okay. Can you catch us up on that? And what really would be the catalyst to generate growth in that business again? Is it just generally better GDP growth?

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah, no, I think, I think the way you framed it is, Steve, pretty, pretty accurate. If you look at it, location and inspection, we expect to be flattish this year. This is really, predominantly run rate businesses.... And having said that, what I would say, if you were to break it down by the regions, we're seeing actually meaningful growth in the U.S. We're actually doing nicely in the U.S., in most of our product categories there. But I would say it's a little bit choppy in Europe and, Asia, a little bit slower. And that's why when we talked about it, we said, you know, relatively flattish with some regional, areas. And I do think this is gonna be stronger, as the economists come back.

Actually, in terms of some of our own initiatives there, I'm very excited. Radio has a new GPS integrated GPS locator that is doing very well in the market. This is a product that's a premium product, typically 40% higher than our core product. We also have CUES coming out with an HD robotic solution, and we also have ULC, which is getting some really strategic wins. So if I look at it, the end market or the GDP of the countries, you can't really control. But what we can control, the teams are doing a really nice job on margin and new products, and I actually feel really good about where those businesses are heading going into 2025.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Great. That's helpful. Mark, on the cash flow front, typical way this year plays out, you had the working capital build in Q1. In the first half, do you think the real reversal is Q4, typical way the year will play out?

Mark Carano (CFO)

Yeah, Steve, I think it'll look similar to prior years, where you're gonna see cash continue to build, as we, you know, move towards a free cash flow conversion target that we've signaled. You know, I expect that will be, you know, under 100%, as we've said.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Yep

Mark Carano (CFO)

... of net income, but that's driven by the incremental CapEx spend that we have this year.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

So, chances are, depending on how robust the pipeline is, any debt reduction would probably save till, you know, late 4Q or early 2025, dependent on whether the pipeline's converted into any, you know, actions, right?

Mark Carano (CFO)

Yeah, I think absent to any, you know, obviously, any other acquisitions or anything of that nature, you're correct. I mean, it'll be back half weighted, on the paydown side.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

How do you think about debt reduction given your pipeline? If you have enough stuff that's sort of, and timing is impossible to know, is it worth paying down debt in the short term, knowing, you know, the pipeline's still pretty robust?

Mark Carano (CFO)

Yeah, you know, Steve, I mean, that's been our approach thus far, and I think when you think about the cost of capital today to borrow relative to the return you can get on that cash, it makes more sense to go ahead and pay down debt, particularly with respect to the revolver.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Right

Mark Carano (CFO)

... you know, because that's, that's obviously an evergreen instrument. We have the ability to redraw on that. But, you know, I think from an M&A perspective, supporting that, you know, we've got plenty of capacity to do that or liquidity today to do that, and obviously, capacity if we need to.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Right. And Gene, any update on how you're thinking about the pipeline now? Obviously, you've made several larger HVAC acquisitions. How's it looking out there?

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

I'd say it's looking very solid. As you know, as Mark alluded to, we'll be at our, you know, 15, or actually probably likely lower than that, just kind of on under normal course. There's a healthy amount of activity. There's a good pipeline. We're actually seeing a good number of detection and measurement opportunities. I'd say it's more in the small to mid-size, some very, I'd say, attractive technology, some CommTech opportunities. Also, I'd say on the electric heat side, that's a, it's a great opportunity that we have to continue to build and grow there. So yeah, I'd say if you look at it overall, it's healthy, it's active. We have irons in the fire, and yeah, I think the machine rolls forward.

I think, you know, our strategy's working, and we'd expect it to keep rolling into the back half of the year.

Steve Ferazani (Analyst)

Right. Thanks, everyone.

Mark Carano (CFO)

Thanks, Steve.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question comes from the line of Walter Liptak with Seaport Research. Your line is now open.

Walter Liptak (Industry Analyst)

Hey, thanks, guys, and good quarter. Wanted to ask about the CommTech pull forward, and why did that order get pulled forward?

Mark Carano (CFO)

Yeah, actually, Walt, that was... The pull forward actually wasn't the, sorry, if we weren't clear there, wasn't the CommTech project. That was already forecasted. This was other project work that pulled forward from Q2 into Q1. I mean, as you know, you know, some of these projects, gating the timing of them between quarters is never easy. So, it just was a function of how we executed that contract and when we were ready to deliver it relative to Q1 versus Q1.

Walter Liptak (Industry Analyst)

Okay. Yeah, thanks. Okay, thanks for that, that clarification. So it was, it was not one order that got pulled forward, it was many orders that pulled forward?

Mark Carano (CFO)

... Yeah, it was, it was more than one.

Walter Liptak (Industry Analyst)

Okay. Okay, great. And could you repeat what the backlog was in CommTech? I mean, in the D&M segment, sorry.

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah, sure. I've got that for you. Well, the D&M segment backlog was $207 million at the end of the quarter, and in HVAC, it was $462 million at the end of the quarter.

Walter Liptak (Industry Analyst)

Okay. All right, good. Well, the, yeah, the backlog, even, you know, considering, the large orders that rolled off last year and, you know, the timing of that, order getting pulled forward, I mean, it's still pretty robust order activity in D&M. You know, I wonder if you could talk about the funnel and maybe, you know, CommTech funnel, you know, are some of those projects that we saw last year, are those done for the foreseeable future, or, is there a nice funnel in CommTech and, you know, for some of the other products within D&M?

Gene Lowe (President and CEO)

Yeah, I would say, Walt, if you look at it from where we stand, we feel good about the funnel. You know, we did have that large pass-through project, which is a, you know, we're replacing that this year. So that's where we're actually seeing growth in what we would call our core. If I look at the funnel across our businesses, that's predominantly in CommTech and then in transportation. I would say activity is very healthy. Transportation, this is the one area that was called out that has been supported by some of the government infrastructure spend, and we're seeing a lot of activity there, a lot of bidding there. We actually feel very, very comfortable about 2024. We actually see a lot of opportunities for 2025 and 2026.

So, as you said in our prepared remarks, we feel very good about the project activity there. I'd say the same is true for CommTech. There, that as a reminder, that business is very global in nature. There's many countries, and we're seeing a lot of activity. We've gotten a lot of key wins. We like our technology. We're actually getting very big, very positive feedback from some of our newer customers that are using our, our technology there. So on the project side of the house, we feel, we feel very good for 2024. Also, looking ahead to 2025, we feel like we're, we're well positioned.

Mark Carano (CFO)

I think adding to that, you know, when you look at the backlog, Walt, and you, you exclude the CommTech project that we've referred to over the last many quarters, backlogs are actually up kind of high single digits.

Walter Liptak (Industry Analyst)

Okay. All right. That's great. Yeah, and it's great to see orders pulled forward. I think this quarter there were a lot of orders that pushed out, and so, yeah, congratulations on the nice quarter. Thanks.

Mark Carano (CFO)

Thanks, Walt.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Paul Clegg for closing remarks.

Paul Clegg (VP of Investor Relations)

Thank you, everybody, for joining the call. We look forward to seeing many of you at the upcoming conferences and roadshows, and we will talk to you next quarter. Thank you.

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