Suncor Energy - Earnings Call - Q3 2025
November 5, 2025
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Suncor Energy third quarter 2025 financial results call. At this time, all participants are in the listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Suncor Energy's Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Troy Little. Troy, please go ahead.
Troy Little (CFO)
Thank you, Operator, and good morning. Welcome to Suncor Energy's third quarter earnings call. Please note that today's comments contain forward-looking information. Actual results may differ materially from the expected results because of various risk factors and assumptions that are described in our third quarter earnings release, as well as in our current annual information form, both of which are available on CDOT, EDGAR, and our website, suncor.com. Certain financial measures referred to in these comments are not prescribed by Canadian generally accepted accounting principles. For a description of these financial measures, please see our third quarter earnings release. We will start with comments from Rich Kruger, President and Chief Executive Officer, followed by Chris Smith, Executive Vice President.
Also on the call are Peter Zebedee, Executive Vice President Oil Sands, Dave Oldreive, Executive Vice President Downstream, Shelly Powell, Senior Vice President Operational Improvement and Support Services, and Adam Albeldawi, Suncor Senior Vice President of External Affairs. Following the formal remarks, we'll open the call up to questions. Now I'll hand it over to Rich to share his comments.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Our third quarter was about completing this year's major maintenance and building momentum for a strong finish to the year. We accomplished both. I'll highlight operational performance. Chris will cover financial. First, I'd like to make a few comments on safety. I've shared before that 2023 and 2024 were the safest years in Suncor's history. The first nine months of 2025 have been even safer across the board: fewer incidents, lower severity, both personnel safety and process safety. I strongly believe that being a great company in oil and gas starts with being a safe company. Our performance now places us among the safest oil and gas companies in North America. Upstream production, 870,000 barrels a day in the third quarter, far and away our best third quarter ever. In fact, 41,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best, which was achieved last year.
Also, within 5,000 barrels a day of our best quarter of any quarter ever, this was accomplished despite turnaround activity at both Firebag and Syncrude. A bit of context: over the past two years, our third quarter has averaged 850,000 barrels a day, 145,000 higher than the prior three-year average. I'll comment more on this performance shortly. Upgrader utilization, 102% for the quarter with Base Plant following the successful Coke Drum replacement project at 106%. Year-to-date utilization at 96%, with both Base Plant and Syncrude exactly at that level. Refining throughput, 492,000 barrels a day in the third quarter, our best quarter of any quarter ever, exceeded our previous best, the third quarter of last year. The third quarter is typically the highest throughput quarter each year.
That said, with back-to-back records in 2024 and now 2025, we've averaged 27,000 barrels a day, or 6% higher than the prior three-year period. Our third quarter results were achieved with an industry-leading 106% utilization. All refineries were effectively at 100% or higher, with records set at Sarnia and Montreal. Overall, year to date, we're at 101% on pace to beat our annual record of 100% set last year. Product sales, 647,000 barrels a day in the third quarter, again our highest quarter of any quarter ever, 34,000 barrels a day, or 6% higher than our previous best quarter, which was the fourth quarter of last year. Recognizing all sales are not created equal, our highest margin retail sales are up 8% year-on-year, while lower margin export sales are down 11% year-on-year. Our strategy is to achieve both volumes and value growth.
Operating costs, year-to-date OS&G, CAD 9.7 billion, essentially flat with year-to-date 2024. Despite 32,000 barrels a day higher upstream production, 14,000 barrels a day higher refining throughput, and 21,000 barrels a day higher product sales, higher volumes, lower unit costs. Turnarounds, on our second quarter call, we shared second quarter turnarounds were completed at historically low cost and best-ever durations. Our third quarter turnarounds were completed equally well. A couple of examples: Montreal Refinery, our hydrocracker and hydrogen plants. Previously, 55 days to complete the work. We budgeted it at 50. We completed it in 40, going from industry fourth quartile to second quartile. Previously, it cost us CAD 80 million. We budgeted it at 71. We completed it for 62, again going from industry fourth to second quartile. I am really pleased to say it was completed without so much as a cut finger or a spilt barrel.
Edmonton Refinery, synthetic crude unit, completed at an industry first quartile level. Firebag, plant 92 in July, similar story, under budget, ahead of schedule. Syncrude, 81 Coker, completed early in the fourth quarter at best-ever performance, cost, and schedule. Historically, this work took us 72 days. We had a very aggressive budget of 50, and we did it in 48. Literally, every single turnaround in 2025 has been completed at lower costs and best-ever durations. In aggregate, our 2025 turnaround program is approaching industry second quartile in North America, with second quartile in North America representing best in class in Canada. The best news, we aren't done yet. We have tangible plans and a pathway to further improvement. 2025 is the second consecutive year our annual turnaround program was completed at under CAD 1 billion.
Under $1 billion is now Suncor's new norm versus $1.25 billion historically. I'd like to, I'd like to kind of pause and make a comment or two on the context on our performance. For two-plus years, the past eight or nine quarters, we have announced performance records: safety, production, throughput, product sales, asset utilization, turnarounds, and so on. We've dramatically reduced our WTI breakeven and at the same time reduced our net debt. We've materially grown free funds flow, fueling higher return of capital to shareholders. We've strengthened an already uniquely integrated high-quality asset base, consolidating ownership and achieving full control at Fort Hills, debottlenecking upstream and downstream capacities at little to no cost, expanding bitumen transfer capabilities between Base Plant upgraders and other assets, and capturing downstream synergies during and outside of turnarounds.
The impact of our actions is most notably seen in our volumes, which are historically the lowest in the second or third quarters of each year. However, starting in 2024 and now again in 2025, our second and third quarter volumes have been higher, much higher, with significantly less variation versus historic first and fourth quarters. How? By design. We are systematically reducing variation and elevating overall performance, embracing an industrial engineering mindset, improving systems, processes, practices, and tools, delivering higher, more predictable, more ratable results quarter after quarter, in turn delivering higher, more predictable, more ratable cash flow quarter after quarter. A few illustrations: third quarter 2025 AFFO, $3.8 billion with WTI at $65 a barrel. Last time we had $3.8 billion AFFO was the third quarter of 2024, with WTI at $75 a barrel.
Third quarter free funds flow, CAD 2.3 billion, the highest operationally since fourth quarter of 2022 when WTI averaged $83 a barrel, $18 higher. Year-to-date free funds, CAD 5.2 billion, within CAD 200 million of 2024, despite oil prices being $11 a barrel lower. Buybacks, CAD 250 million a month in 2025, every month. Independent of oil price, CAD 250 million when WTI was $75 in January, CAD 250 million when WTI was $61 in May. Year to date, we bought back more than 42 million shares, 3.4% of our float, at an average cost of $53. Year-on-year, CAD 340 million more in buybacks, despite oil prices being down $9 a barrel. At today's oil price, I strongly believe buying our stock is our best investment, and we intend to keep buying it month after month after month.
The fact is our business model and uniquely integrated asset base, now coupled with much higher performance, offers investors a unique, and I believe, a premium value proposition: high performance with more predictable, more ratable cash flow delivered with less relative dependence on oil price. With any large industrial complex, the highest performance occurs when systems and capabilities align in sync. What you are seeing is Suncor's unique integrated cash generation capabilities increasingly aligned and in sync with fundamental attributes that cannot be readily replicated. 2025 guidance, on our second quarter call, we revised capital guidance down, dropping the range midpoint by CAD 400 million to CAD 5.7 billion to CAD 5.9 billion. Today, we believe we will come in at the low end of the revised range. Now, based on third quarter performance, we're revising 2025 volumes guidance up across the board.
Production, revised range 845-855, with our midpoint up 25,000 barrels a day. Refining, revised range 470,000-475,000 barrels a day, the midpoint up 30,000 barrels a day. Refined product sales, revised range 610,000-620,000, midpoint up 45,000 barrels a day. We expect to exceed the high end of our original guidance for the second consecutive year. Now, I recognize the temptation to conclude we must have been conservative. Let me remind you, every single turnaround was completed at its shortest duration ever. Our massive Coke drum replacement project was executed flawlessly, and upstream and downstream asset utilizations are once again at record levels. The result, every volume category in 2025, is expected to be a new annual best ever. Was our original guidance conservative? Or is today's Suncor simply continuing to outperform?
I've said before, we are institutionalizing a culture that every barrel and every dollar matter. With that, I'll turn it to Chris.
Kris Smith (EVP)
All right. Thanks, Rich. Good morning, everyone. Since this will be my final earnings call, I do want to start by first thanking the investment community for your engagement, your questions, your partnership over these last three years. It's certainly been a privilege to engage with all of you during my time here at Suncor. I'll have a bit more to say on my retirement in a moment, but before I do, let's first talk about what is an exceptionally strong quarter. To begin with, I'm pleased to announce that the board of directors has approved a 5% dividend raise for an annualized dividend of CAD 2.40 per share, which is in keeping with our commitment to reliably and sustainably grow the dividend.
This dividend increase is a direct result of the great progress our team has made in sustainably growing incremental free funds flow. Because of our steady return of cash to shareholders through our share buyback program, this increase in our dividend does not affect our WTI breakeven price. Our buyback program continues to be a key driver of per-share dividend growth, creating a reliable flywheel for shareholder returns. It is yet another proof point that we are doing what we said we would do, delivering reliable, growing cash returns to our shareholders. The third quarter is also another strong quarter for shareholder returns, consistent with our disciplined capital allocation framework. We returned just over CAD 1.4 billion to shareholders, including CAD 688 million in dividends and CAD 750 million in share buybacks.
At the end of the quarter, we had repurchased 3.4% of our equity float, supporting future dividend and free funds flow per share growth. Our approach remains unchanged: drive growing free funds flow and returning 100% of excess funds to our shareholders on a full-year basis. As Rich mentioned, our buybacks have been consistent despite commodity movements in 2025, a testament to the predictability and quality of this company's cash flows. Turning to the business environment in Q3, it was marked by slightly higher commodity prices, with WTI averaging $64.95 per barrel, which is up $1.25 per barrel versus the prior quarter. Notably, we saw an improvement in our downstream 5221 custom index of $3.35 per barrel, with improved cracking margins, averaging $31.20 in the quarter versus $27.85 in the prior quarter, and contributing to strong financial performance in our downstream.
This improvement in commodity prices was partly offset by a stronger Canadian dollar, moving from CAD 0.72 to CAD 0.73 US. We have seen some weakening of crude price as we moved into the fourth quarter, but our strong operations, coupled with our integrated business model, ensure the continued resiliency of our free funds flow through a lower commodity price environment, supporting continued strong cash returns to shareholders. Now, Rich talked a lot about records in his opening remarks. I do want to highlight another one of those. This quarter, AFFO was $3.8 billion, or $3.16 per share, and it was the second highest Q3 AFFO in Suncor's history, despite much lower crude prices. You'd have to go back to Q3 of 2022 for the record, which was in a commodity price environment over $90. Operating earnings were $1.8 billion, or $1.48 per share.
How did we generate $3.8 billion of AFFO with average WTI at $65? To begin with, a number of those records that Rich was just talking about: record third quarter upstream production of 870,000 barrels per day, including oil sands at 812,000 and E&P at 58,000; record total bitumen production of 958,000 barrels per day; record quarterly downstream with refining throughput at a whopping 492,000 barrels per day and utilization of 106%; and record quarterly refined product sales of 647,000 barrels per day. That is a lot of records. Total OS&G expense in the quarter of $3.3 billion is consistent with the first six months of the year, further demonstrating our operating leverage with higher volumes and flat absolute costs. Capital expenditures in the quarter totaled $1.4 billion, including $565 million of economic investments and $874 million of sustaining and maintenance capital as we execute our fall turnaround schedule.
Working capital use was CAD 183 million in the quarter, primarily reflecting the timing of payments, and net debt at quarter end was CAD 7.1 billion, with net debt to trailing 12-month AFFO at 0.5 times. This is all about managing our balance sheet in the best interest of our shareholders while continuing to steadily return significant cash to them. I do want to spend a moment on what I believe is an underappreciated part of the Suncor story, our ability to consistently generate industry-leading margins across the value chain. We often emphasize the strength of our integrated model, allowing us to capture margin at every step, from extraction out of the ground to the upgrader to the refinery, and finally to customers all along the value chain. Like our peers, we make bitumen, but then we transform those barrels into high-value products.
Rich has previously described this as our ability to make craft cocktails for our customers. It is this competitive advantage, coupled with our strong logistics and trading capabilities, that enabled us to sell our oil sands barrels at 96% of average WTI over the quarter. Our downstream margin capture is consistently above industry benchmarks. This quarter was no exception, with margin capture at 92% of our custom 5221 index, an index which represents the margin power of our downstream business. LIFO gross margin was $28.87 versus an average New York Harbor and Chicago 321 crack of $26.39. Suncor is quite simply a margin machine, and this should be recognized as a core driver of this company's value proposition.
Now, this is my last quarterly call with Suncor, and I do want to take a moment to express what a privilege it's been to work at this company for the last 25 years and to be part of this executive team for the last 13. Over my 25 years, I've worked in almost every part of this company, and I've seen its tremendous growth over that time to become Canada's premier integrated oil sands company. I deeply believe in the strategic importance of the oil sands to the long-term prosperity of Canada and Alberta and as a source of long-term value for our shareholders. I know that Suncor will play a significant role in that future as it continues to grow its competitive advantage of maximizing value of this world-scale long-life resource through its unmatched integrated value chain.
I want to thank the board, Rich, all my colleagues for their support over the years, and to thank you to all our employees for their dedication and drive to deliver results each and every day. As I said, it's been a real privilege to be a part of this team. I also want to congratulate Troy on his appointment to the CFO chair and know that his experience and leadership will be critical in the years ahead. This company is so very well positioned for the future. As I move on, I'm confident that Suncor will continue to deliver exceptional value to our shareholders through operational excellence, capital discipline, and a relentless focus on value creation. With that, for a final time, I'll turn it back over to Rich.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Thanks, Chris. First of all, I want to say thank you and congratulate you.
You have been an integral part of our turnaround over the past few years. Your timing could not be better. Wrapping up with the quarterly results. For those on the phone, I know Chris quite well, outstanding executive, class act, and I am proud to say a close friend. Chris, you will be missed but not forgotten. We all wish you, Sandra, Ethan, and Catherine—I was going to add Maisie, your golden retriever that I see walk by the house—the best in your future endeavors. I also want to thank or congratulate Troy, our new CFO, and Adam, our new Senior Vice President of External Affairs, which includes investor relations. Gentlemen, it was high performance that earned you these roles. As you have heard me say, high performance results in even higher expectations. I look forward to continuing to work with you as we create shareholder value.
With that, I'll turn it over to Troy.
Troy Little (CFO)
Thank you, Rich. I'll turn the call back to the operator to take some questions.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. The first question comes from the line of Greg Hardy of RBC Capital Markets. Greg, please go ahead.
Greg Pardy (Managing Director and Head of Global Energy Research)
Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I probably put your conference call commentary right up in that first quartile. Great, great rundown. First off, Chris, just all the very best. I sure hope our paths cross again soon. Big congratulations, I think, to Troy, and looking forward to working with Adam. Questions-wise, there are a couple of things kind of going through my head.
Rich, I wanted to come back to maybe what the prevailing narrative was on Suncor before you got there, to some extent, which was, "Hey, old assets cannot be fixed." I had heard that from multiple quarters. How do you put that together, perhaps, with the maintenance interval extension that we are now seeing at year one, but also just the planning and turnaround and improved turnaround performance? It is a very broad question by definition, but I just wanted to get a better understanding as to how all those pieces fit together.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Two things, Greg. First of all, I appreciate you saying first quartile because that gives us room to improve. Our goal is best in class. Second thing, I think I am living proof that age should not directly correlate with performance in a negative way.I'm going to turn this over to the team to my left here in a moment because the entire way we're approaching our business, the depth, the analytics upon which we plan and perform our work is fundamentally different. Shelly, maybe I'll start with you, but then I'll ask perhaps Peter and Dave to give a quick example in the business. Shelly's kind of at the central point of how we've redesigned our entire approach to operational excellence.
Shelley Powell (SVP of Operational Improvement and Support Services)
Yeah. The first thing I would say on that, the intervals as well as just across performance, for us, it really starts with benchmarks. We want to look and see what does global performance look like, and then we want to be the best of the best in that bunch.We look at the best intervals that are being achieved across similar units in the globe, and then we do the work to understand what would it take for us to hit that benchmark. The work is really about making the right decision at the right time. Peter?
Peter Zebedee (EVP of Oil Sands)
Yeah. I would also say, Greg, and you mentioned year one there, we're moving the intervals at year one to six years. That is really a function of the upgraded metallurgy on the drums, the investment that we put in with the Coke drum replacement project this year, and coupled with some work on the Coker frac section. That has enabled us, and we're confident in our ability to extend it to six years. It is a real success story. You see that replicated across a broad variety of our upstream oil sands assets, both the Syncrude, Firebag, as well as oils.
Dave Oldreive (EVP of Downstream)
Yeah. For the downstream, I'll use Edmonton as an example, but we're applying the same principles and the same logic across all of our assets. The downstream also starts with benchmarking. For Edmonton, we just completed a sweet crude and hydrocracker turnaround block. That was an interval increase from four years to five years. Going forward, that unit will be on a six-year interval. That is a 50% increase over two cycles. In the spring of this year, we did a sour crude and hydrocracker block. That was an increase from three years to four years due to some improved catalysts we put in back in 2021.
In this turnaround, we made some modifications to the distribution of flow over that catalyst, and we're planning on a five-year interval going forward. So that's three years to five years, 65% improvement in turnaround interval over two cycles. We're applying that same logic across all the units in Edmonton, but we're also applying that same principles across all of our refineries. Grounded in solid work selection and benchmarking, we're applying that same approach everywhere. We're not done yet.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Greg, I just add to close this one out. There is not a new refinery in North America. The entire refinery network has some age to it. I would say just candidly, and I don't know where it all came from, it doesn't really matter, but the statement or narrative that old assets couldn't perform, that was an excuse for subpar performance. This company doesn't make excuses anymore.
Greg Pardy (Managing Director and Head of Global Energy Research)
Yeah. Okay. No, I think you've captured it. Let me relate this then to your share price, relative valuation, and then just your trajectory. The trajectory that you're on right now would suggest that your outperformance is going to continue. There is this gap between your relative valuation and others. The market is either impatient, just has not recognized it, what have you. If you look at your CAD 8 billion net debt target in the context of improvement cycle cash flows plus the trajectory, does that not suggest either moving the CAD 8 billion up, number one, or secondly, maybe taking a more aggressive stance with respect to share buybacks, like doing an SIB or what have you?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
I'll start it out, and then I'll ask both our new and departing CFOs to comment on it.
As we put that target in place, and it was about a little less than two years ago now, it was on the assumption of a rate of improvement in 2024, 2025, and 2026. We have accelerated. We have improved faster than we anticipated in that. You have heard us, we talk about this three-year plan. Are we going to achieve three and two? That is a kind of a separate question. The examining of how we manage the balance sheet, looking at the business and the return of capital to shareholders, these are very active dialogues. These are not where we set something in stone and that is just the way it is. We want to be outstanding technical and operational executives, and we want to be astute and outstanding money managers. Maybe I will just give that. Chris or Troy did not want to.
Kris Smith (EVP)
I'll maybe just a few comments and ask if Troy wants to add anything as well. I mean, Greg. On the back of Rich's comments, we've set ourselves up in this company to ensure that we're really managing the balance sheet well, but we're driving that free funds flow growth, and we're returning that excess cash to shareholders. We set that debt target a couple of years ago now when we kind of reset the company. We're obviously ahead of schedule on just the level of improvement this company continues to drive. I expect that Troy and Rich are going to continue to look at what the appropriate level of leverage is for the company, but prudently manage this balance sheet for the long term and have that underscore of ratable, consistent buybacks to our shareholders and return of cash.
Right now, we've been at a very consistent level for the last number of quarters. We think there's a ton of value in that consistency. I know that's something that Troy and I've talked about. It's the brand of the new Suncor, the ability to deliver consistently, ratably, reliably to our shareholders. Will that change over time and be managed prudently? Obviously, looking at how we view near-term and medium-term commodity price, of course.
Troy Little (CFO)
Yeah. I think I would just—I think your question is, is our net debt target or how we view debt, is it static? Really, the level of debt that a company carries or should hold depends on a few things. It depends on the company's underlying cash flows, the consistency of the performance of our assets, the quality of the leadership team that's managing those assets, and also the external environment. I think everyone would agree on those first three things. Suncor has made an enormous amount of progress in the last few years. My intent is to manage the balance sheet just like my colleagues in operations manage their assets. It is to deliver consistent returns to the shareholders.
Greg Pardy (Managing Director and Head of Global Energy Research)
Perfect. Yep. Thanks very much.
Operator (participant)
One moment for your next question. The next question comes from the line of Doug Legate of Wolf Research. Doug, please go ahead.
Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I would also like to add my congratulations to everyone. Chris, it has been a real pleasure. As you will see in a second, I am going to challenge you on one last question, if I may, and Troy. Many congratulations.
Kris Smith (EVP)
I have got Troy here.
Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
All right. Let me, if I may. Rich, I'm probably front-running a little bit 2026, but I want to try and hit the capital outlook. Obviously, there is one substantial project still in your portfolio, which is West White Rose, but obviously, it's 2026 as we understand it, and a fairly large slug of capital. I guess my question is that as you start to think about the use of discretionary cash flow going forward, as some of these bigger projects, one-off projects roll off, how are you thinking about the absolute level of discretionary spending versus that sort of almost CAD 6 billion number? Does that go lower, or does the capital get reallocated to other things?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, Doug. As we've looked at it, one of the things that I heard early on, our market, we spend a lot of money. We generate a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money.
We have had a very concerted effort at exhibiting discipline on all of our operating costs, our capital costs. I think turnarounds are a vivid example of our maintenance or our sustaining capital has been driven down and will continue to do so. That was all so we could open up headroom for economic capital, for growth and quality investments. We do not have a hard cap, but we had set internally that we want to have a year-on-year-on-year capital expenditure at less than CAD 6 billion a year. That was a core tenet in our three-year plan. We are achieving that now this year. If anybody is anticipating waking up on guidance and seeing a bigger number next year, stay in bed, do not get up early. We are going to deliver that. What that does is it allows us to be very judicious about quality.
At a capital construct of less than six, you can pick your oil price world, is it $50, $55, $60 a barrel? We believe we can continue to pay a reliable and growing dividend, fund our full capital program, and buy back shares. We want to thread the needle where we can do all of that in most any business environment. The unique level of our integration and the kind of the natural hedges that are within our construct, upstream, downstream, all the way to the customer now, gives us less volatility, less dependent on what the external world is. We want to be a cash machine that invests wisely and returns capital to shareholders predictably and reliably. It has taken us a couple of years to get all the bells and whistles in place to improve fundamental performance. I think that is what you are seeing now.
To me, that's quite exciting. We put a high bar to justify new economic capital because it really needs to be tested against an alternate use of returning that capital to shareholders. I think at our current share price, as I said, I think we're in an extremely good buy. That will be the push and pull we will have internally. We have quite rigorous discussions and debates on that, but they're all centered on how can we increase shareholder value. The highest, fastest investment.
Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
I appreciate the answer. I guess we'll have to wait on 2026 for the actual capital number. Thank you, Rich, for that. Okay. My follow-up, I'm hoping this is for Chris, but Rich, I'm sure you're going to want to have an input to this. You've just reiterated again, I apologize.
That you think Suncor is a great buy here, as you put it. We certainly concur. It has been a tremendous stock, obviously, and the turnaround has been extraordinary. You are an oil company, and oil prices are subjective. Value, therefore, if your free cash flow is a function of the oil price, is also subjective. When you say you are a great buy, you are implicitly saying, "I have an oil price view," which is not necessarily going to be right. My question is this. When you look at your relative performance to your closest peer, which is probably Imperial, the big difference has been the rate of dividend growth. Your dividend growth remains somewhat glacial despite all the improvements. My question to you is.
Why emphasize the buyback with a pedestrian dividend growth and not, if the improvements are slowing through to the bottom line, pivot to a more aggressive rate of dividend growth?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Doug, I'm going to turn it to Chris. The next time we're together, we'll have a couple of beers, and we'll go through this as well. Chris, go ahead. Comment on it.
Kris Smith (EVP)
No, thanks. Again, if Troy wants to add anything here to the answer, I mean, thanks, Doug. First of all, our company, obviously, we're an oil company, and commodity price makes a big difference. This company also is differentially positioned in terms of our integrated business model and how we drive value and sustainable free cash flow and growing that. Start there.
In terms of the dividend, our commitment is to reliably and sustainably grow that dividend and position this company so that we have a strong WTI breakeven that can weather through the commodity price cycle. You have seen us over the last two years reduce that WTI breakeven by we're on our way to $10 a barrel. We have repositioned the sustainability of the company, which makes us more resilient in the lower end of the commodity price cycle. We are not betting on oil price in this company. What we are betting on is sustainably and reliably generating free cash flow and having a resilient company that does that. In terms of the dividend to the investors, we view that as a commitment and a promise. This company is going forward, this is a commitment and a promise to our shareholders. We will grow it reliably.
We have what we view is a competitive yield, but the share price is actually low, and that yield needs to be lower. We will continue to grow the dividend appropriately over the years. The cash return strategy, though, of buybacks, our view, it is one of the best mechanisms to get cash back to our shareholders and really drive that per-share value to our shareholders. We think we have got a winning formula in our capital allocation strategy, Doug. Maybe I will just turn it over to Troy for any other comments.
Troy Little (CFO)
Yeah. I will just add this from a perspective point of view. As a management team, our focus is on maximizing the free cash flow per share from our assets so that we can generate returns for our shareholders. We really look to our shareholders, though, to guide us in how they want those returns delivered to them. The almost constant feedback we get is that our investors want a reliable and growing dividend, as Chris referred to, and they want the excess to be used for share buybacks. Until they really tell us something different, that's going to be our focus.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Doug, I want to make one comment on this too. I run the risk because I'm just thinking about it on the fly. Sometimes I get in trouble when I do this, but what the heck, we're going to go for it. You talked about a peer or peers. I honestly don't think we have a true Canadian peer. I think the unique assembly of our assets, upstream, downstream, the differentiated value proposition we have, I think we have an ability under over a much wider range of market conditions to deliver predictable, reliable cash flow.
Now, at any point in time, whether it's oil price, gas price, low differential, high differential, downstream cracks, or whatever, there can be parties that might stand out. I think if you look over the tested time, who has been assembled to compete and win for the long term? I increasingly don't think that looking around Calgary is the right lens to look at us on. I'm probably going to get in trouble for that. I'm probably going to be challenged on that and stuff. You ask me a question, you get the answer I feel, and that's how I feel.
Doug Leggate (Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
We'll get a chance to talk about it in a couple of weeks. Thanks so much.
Kris Smith (EVP)
Thanks, Doug.
Operator (participant)
One moment for your next question. The next question comes from the line of Dennis Song of CIBC World Markets. Dennis, please go ahead.
Dennis Fong (Equity Research Analyst)
Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First off, I'd just like to echo Greg and Doug's congratulations to the team on the quarter and specifically to Chris, Troy, and Adam for their, I guess, new roles or exiting your existing role. My first question really focuses on Fort Hills, Q3 operations, and production was quite strong. From our observations of the mine plan, it seems like you've opened up potentially the first cut and should have turned that maybe over to operations. Can you maybe talk towards the progress on the second cut and maybe, as you're kind of progressing through the plan, what that means for optimization of the assets?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Yeah. Why don't you take that?
Peter Zebedee (EVP of Oil Sands)
Yeah. Thanks, Dennis. You're absolutely right. We are actively producing ore from the first cut, the first pit and the north pit one now.
That is going exceptionally well, blending off that ore with ore from center pits. You have seen, as you saw in the third quarter, our production volumes start to increase. We have also just started opening up the second pit in the north pit, which will be an active blending pit. We are just kind of in the top cut of that now, and we will develop that over the remaining months here in 2025 and into 2026. Our drive is really to take the Fort Hills volumes up to nameplate and potentially beyond in the next couple of years. Potentially, we see lots of opportunities. We are trying to get up into that 195,000 barrel a day-200,000 barrel per day range in the next couple of years. That is the goal. North Pit 2 is going to be a big part of that.
We're just in the top stripping of that area of the mine right now.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
You continue to test and evaluate the plant. I think there, Peter, I do not know if you have any specific comments on that, but we have a lot of capability and capacity with that plant. The focus on the bitumen delivery is the key because we do have a really stellar facility there.
Peter Zebedee (EVP of Oil Sands)
Yeah. We really have proven that out, especially through 2025. We've taken the opportunity to really test the range on the fixed plant to really put some high throughput in it from the mine. It delivered better than what we expected, even. Our confidence in the ability of the fixed plant to take the ore from the mine is extremely high. Right now, it's all about getting that mine set up to deliver those high production volumes here into the future.
Dennis Fong (Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Really, really appreciate that context there, Peter and Rich. My second question, and maybe it's addressed to Dave. Rich, in your opening comments, you highlighted record refined product sales through the quarter. I was hoping you could touch on and maybe highlight what you found in your opportunity to visit a variety of the retail, logistics, and distribution terminals across Suncor's Canadian operations and how that feels or drives comfort level or an ability to kind of press throughput on downstream and market those volumes in the most, we'll call it, profitable channels.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Dave, you want to go?
Dave Oldreive (EVP of Downstream)
Yeah, for sure. Dennis, as Rich mentioned, we changed our philosophy about a year or so ago to focus on not value versus volume, but value and volume. Our plan is we run our refineries full, we sell full, and we improve our channel mix over time. What is really great about what we have seen so far in that philosophy is it is all working. You have seen the records, but what you may not see in the numbers is the work that is happening to grow our most profitable channels. That is our retail growth plans, our wholesale growth, and really reducing the volume of exports that we make. On the retail side, just maybe a few numbers because folks probably have seen some of this as you drive around the major cities across Canada. We have enhanced 23 sites this year, including rebuilding two new sites.
We're on track to rebrand from other competitor brands 75 sites across the country this year. Each of those operators, as they rebrand to the Petro-Canada canopy above their site, are seeing significant increases in volumes. We see the strong brand that we have in Petro-Canada continuing to grow. In fact, our market share is up 1.5% this year. Our retail sales, as Rich mentioned, are up 8% year on year and 10% over the last couple of years. We're growing our most profitable channels. Our distribution network is solid. As we do need to export, we can do that incredibly profitably through our trading organization who sell direct to customer with minimizing the profit that's taken by the folks in the middle. We can sell off both coasts. We can sell off Vancouver, and we can sell out of Montreal.
We can optimize our network in between to go pretty much anywhere in the world with largely diesel is what we see exporting out of Canada. Our network is strong. We are growing the highest profitable channels, and we have lots of flexibility to continue to grow. I am looking at Adam as I say this. In late 2022, the company had a retail growth plan that had communicated to the market and had a series of commitments through 2027 and stuff on it. I would say in the investor day, we need to give a good recap of where we stand on that. Just kind of a headline is, it is going quite well. We are delivering everything and more that in late 2022 we said we were going to do. I think, Dennis, one other little added point I would make, a nuance on it. In today's world of.
Commodity price uncertainty and volatility, owning all the way through the customer is a competitive advantage. Because that can move around, whether it's the customer has the leverage or the manufacturer has the leverage or the producer does. This is a key part of that uniqueness of our value chain that all integration is not created equal. In fact, it's quite different. Our unparalleled integration is a part of our story and a part of our performance.
Dennis Fong (Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Really appreciate that. Thank you. I'll turn it back.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. One moment for our next question. The next question comes from the line of Neil Mehta of Goldman Sachs. Neil, please go ahead.
Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)
Yeah. Good morning, Rich. Congratulations, Troy. Congratulations, Adam. And Chris, it's been a real pleasure. I guess two questions. The first is just on the investor day. Have you put a date out for that? I'm guessing it's going to be May like you did in 2021, 2024. I might have missed that. As you think about that investor day, what are the kind of tangible KPIs or targets you want to educate the market on? What is the right time horizon? Are you thinking new three-year targets or going out further? Just give us a little bit of a preview for that.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Neil, as I answer you, I have a roomful of people that are really, really curious as to what I'm going to say. Let's have some fun with this. Our original plan was sometime before mid-year next year. That is not going to work. We are going to need to come out earlier than that. We are looking at something earlier.
We're looking at calendars, when all you good folks are available, those of you that have kids, when your kids are on spring break and all that. We're going to pull that earlier. It will not be January or February, but it will be earlier than we had originally anticipated. The second thing. The one area that periodically—and I read everything you guys write—every now and then when things are going really, really well, you guys look for what's the thing we can say as to why we have to justify to our bosses we haven't all bought Suncor? Everybody wants to say, "Well, what the hell is going to happen when the base mine depletes?" We owe you and will present a very compelling long-term value proposition on bitumen development and replacement. That is longer term.
We have said in the last investor day that we do not anticipate a whole bunch of expenditures in the next five years on it. I think we are going to have to do both. We are going to have to give you what that long-term plan looks like, but we are going to have to give you kind of what is that next—for fun's sake, we will say, "What is that next three-year plan also going to deliver?" I think we are going to have to give you both longer term and a new set of targets short term that will be compelling and inspiring and create the case for, "Man, this is a stock I just have to own." A little bit earlier than we originally thought, two-pronged short term and long term. I will tell you, I am going to be there that day. I would not miss it.
Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)
I have to have good pump-up music before you get on stage. The follow-up is just on downstream. It does seem like we're in a good refinement environment. Certainly, refining equities have done okay, and downstream margins continue to do well up in Canada as well. Rich, I would just love your perspective on the sustainability of the Canadian refining advantage. If you think that we're going to sustain in a healthy environment, and then utilization averaging 101% for a system that was running low to mid-90s for a long time, do you feel like you've got some momentum here to be able to sustain at these type of levels as you go into next year as well?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Dave, let me take the second part, and then I'll turn it over to you on that.
On the utilization and things, the teams across the company, facility by facility, have undertaken a very concerted—okay, what's the limiter? What's the bottleneck? What's the last increment that if we make small changes can add incremental capacity? When you now see—and I literally think it's since mid-2023—I think we're two years. If you average over all that, I think we're at more than 100% utilization for that long period. You get 106%. What is it really saying? The underlying capacity has grown. We need to—and maybe that'll be investor day—it needs to be soon—we will re-rate our downstream because it has more capacity than it previously had due to really smart, thoughtful, frugal work. Site by site by site. There's something coming there. Is it sustainable? I think that gets right back to the turnaround discussions, our commitment to operational excellence on maintenance practices.
The answer is absolutely, is it sustainable? Now, year on year, we'll have more turnarounds here, less turnarounds there, and things. You will get a little variation year on year. At the high performance levels you have become accustomed to this year and last year, our business plan, our guidance that you are soon going to see, is very consistent with continuing to deliver that. Dave, maybe I will flip it to you on kind of the value that you are going to create in that enterprise.
Dave Oldreive (EVP of Downstream)
Yeah, for sure. I will just build, Rich, on your comments on the downstream. Not only do we see that sustaining, we believe we can continue to incrementally creep capacity with all of the little ideas that are coming from the grassroots of the organization as folks are aligned to drive growth. You mentioned the markets are strong.
We're seeing, particularly on the diesel side, low inventories, geopolitical risks, some lagging renewables in the U.S., and a growing short in California that's really starting to drive diesel, as well as some local gasoline cracks in certain parts of the continent. We see in the short term some really strong cracking spreads going into the fourth quarter or through the fourth quarter. The longer-term view on Canada is we're going to continue, as I mentioned before, our retail growth plans. We have some plans on the wholesale side to do something similar. Even in a market that is maybe growing slowly at a couple percent per year, we believe our strategy is we can take market share on the most profitable channels, and we'll continue to do that. As I mentioned, on the balance, we can run our refineries full.
We have some of the lowest cost crude advantages in the globe, and we can export profitably pretty much anywhere in the world and continue to grow our refining capacity through that mechanism as well.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
One last thing, kind of a related point. Our downstream, I think historically folks have said, "Well, you guys are good downstream, high-performing downstream," etc., etc. All of that is true, but we have taken it from good to great, and our belief is it can be even greater. It is so key to our financial resilience in uncertain times and the contribution to keeping our overall corporate break-even at a very low and very competitive level. I think what we have seen, the more we do in the downstream—I am smiling as I look at Dave—the more we do, the more potential we see.
This is a—I've used this phrase now for several quarters in a row—we are not done yet, and that applies either equally or disproportionately to the downstream. There is a lot more value we believe we can continue to create. When you look at us, it may not always be. Plotting volume points, either upstream or downstream, may no longer be the best way to gauge, "Are these guys improving?" Keep looking at the dollars and where they are coming from in the dollars. Now, volumes, we are going to keep doing things to grow that. Increasingly, our mindset is in the value dimensions, and the downstream is going to be a big part of that.
Neil Mehta (Head of Americas Natural Resources Equity Research)
Thanks, Rich. Thanks, Dave.
Operator (participant)
One moment for your next question. The next question comes from the line of Manav Gupta of UBS. Manav, please go ahead.
Manav Gupta (Executive Director)
I actually wanted to start on a lighter note. As you get into the earnings call of Suncor, you were playing that Michael Jackson song, "Beat It and Beat It," and every 30 seconds, you were hearing, "Beat It and Beat It." And then when it kind of struck me, that's what Suncor has become, right? Keep raising expectations and then beat it. So whoever chose that song thought through it very carefully.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Hey, Manav, a quick one. Quick one for you. We started that some time ago now, and it is one of the secrets of the crown, what our earnings call is going to be. There are only three people who know it ahead of time: me, my wife, and Troy. And my wife and Troy have way better sense in music than I. Now we're going to bring Adam into the inner circle on it. We do spend a little bit of time thinking, "What is the appropriate call for the quarter?" Thank you for noticing it. Troy's smiling because he picked this one.
Manav Gupta (Executive Director)
I kind of figured it out because a couple of quarters ago, Rich, you were playing Eye of the Tiger from Rocky. It is kind of your focus exactly was showing what your song was playing. I kind of figured that out. That is why I wanted to talk about it. My quick one question here, Rich, sir. When we look at Fort Hills and Syncrude, cash operating cost, absolutely going in the right direction. Every quarter, we are seeing an improvement. Just trying to understand what further improvements can happen over here and how much lower can you think you can take this both at Fort Hills and Syncrude? I will turn it over. Thank you.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
I'm going to turn it over to my operators here in a minute, but I think this gets at the very culture of the organization of spending, how we look at spending money, whether capital or operating it. I'll give you a little glimpse of my childhood. My dad would give me CAD 2 to go to the store and get a pop and a candy bar, and I'd spend CAD 1.84, and I'd come back, and he'd say, "Where's my 16 cents?" It's a philosophy, and it's a culture of we're not spending our money. We need to manage risk, be very thoughtful and frugal. I think our progress on operating costs is probably one of the best barometers of is our culture permeating deeply. Capital is allocated around this table.
We can add or subtract, but operating costs are the decisions of literally thousands of people every day. That is what each month, when I see the numbers, that's where I get my best sense of, "Yeah, okay, the organization has it." On what continued improvement or. Peter, do you have any comments? Particularly, you've spent the bulk of it.
Peter Zebedee (EVP of Oil Sands)
Yeah. I would say it really does start with building that culture right from the front line. We have put a lot of time and effort into building the transparency and an understanding with our frontline leadership and operators around the decisions they make on a given shift and what the cost implications of that are. That has proven to be really effective. You start to see that flow through at the bottom line now.
We are working, as I said, in multiple calls, mining productivity, where we spend the bulk of our money in the mines and getting more out of what we have from our mining equipment is a really big part of this cost journey. We have not stopped there. We have been working broadly across the rest of our operations, specifically in maintenance. Efficiencies on integrated activity and planning and ensuring that we are doing the right work at the right time in the most efficient way. Building out that capability and knowledge of our frontline, the folks that are making the decisions each and every day on what cost implications that have, and then getting their creative decisions and driving efficiencies higher. That is really what you are seeing flow through.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
I think some of the philosophical. We benchmark. Shelly mentioned earlier, we do competitively benchmark. We look at where gaps are, what actions can we take. That was a part of our mining strategy on bigger trucks, fewer trucks. Operated better, maintained cheaper. That was all part of that philosophy. We have an internal philosophy around there's inflationary pressures in our business. The market doesn't necessarily give us inflation on our products. Our business plans to get to walk in the door, you have to bring business plans to us that have fully offset inflation. We want to talk about how do we improve upon that. It is just a real deep recognition. We are in a commodity business, and managing cost is so absolutely essential. When I say cost, I mean every dollar we spend, whether it's capital or operating.
Operator (participant)
One moment for our next question. The next question comes from the line of Manel Holshoff of TD Securities.
Menno Hulshof (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
Manel, please go ahead. Thanks. And good morning, everyone, and congrats to everyone on the call on the changes. Most of my questions have been answered, but I'll maybe follow up with a question on nameplate capacity. You touched on this already for the downstream in particular, but with certain upstream assets like Firebag also performing well above nameplate, what are your thoughts on re-rate potential? I think the last time you talked about this, I think you suggested you were still working through a discovery process on how each asset could perform on a sustained basis. On balance, and it's more of a philosophical question, what's the real benefit to re-rating? I could make the argument either way, but curious as to how you're thinking about this.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Yeah. I think it's a fair question, Manel, on what's the benefit on it. It's probably as much as anything is credibility. How do you repeatedly extract more than 100% of something? But I'll tell you right now, we internally, we have two things. We steward to you the historic external utilizations, but that is not at all internal. When you come into our executive meetings and we look at assets, we look at their performance relative to their best 30-day average consecutively. We run two sets of numbers, and the goal is to always improve based on historical performance. The re-rating is a bit of a philosophical question on it, but the same approach that has been taken in the downstream has been applied to the upstream.
What is so uniquely similar in our business is our upstream has large plant operations, whereas many upstream around the world do not have that, offshore platforms or whatever.
The same approaches and principles have applied. You flagged Firebag. In 2022, Firebag averaged 199,000 barrels a day. In 2024, it averaged 234,000, and in the fourth quarter, it was 250,000, all without growth investment. Now what Peter and his team are scrambling to do is be sure we have the well capacity to feed. We would rather be a barrel short on the facility than a barrel short on the wells. Peter has been doing an extensive infield drilling program, which are extremely lucrative. He's been looking at the expansion of non-condensable natural gas so we can redeploy steam. It is a continual chasing of the limiter, the last limiter, and saying, "How do we unlock potential? Is that well? Is that facility?" The principles apply across our business upstream and downstream.
I give kudos to our operating teams because they've embraced this challenge, and they are repeatedly, continually finding ways to unlock capacity. When you're a capital-intensive business, return on capital, that in many cases, I came from a company where for decades that was the Holy Grail. I believe that. We've spent a lot of money. It's our job to maximize the return on that money we've spent. I think our Suncor teams, upstream and downstream, are doing a very good job on that. I think my guys remind me, "We're not done yet."
Menno Hulshof (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
Thanks for that, Rich. That's really helpful. Maybe my second question is on your incremental pre-fund flow target and WTI break-even target as well. Last we were, I did not see it in the release, but I believe the last time we were updated, you were guiding to achievement of both targets by the end of the year, which would be roughly a one-year acceleration. Where do you stand on those targets today? Is year-end still a reasonable guideline? And is there upside to those targets over time?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Manel, we did the first year of the three-year plan. We achieved nearly two years. We have kind of suggested and insinuated that we could achieve a three and two. We have got a month and a half, two months left in the year. I have to tell you a real quick story. I am reminded of the 2015 Super Bowl.
The Seattle Seahawks were on the one-yard line, losing by four against the Patriots, about to punch it in with a battering ram of a fullback named Marshawn Lynch. They had victory. They were high-fiving and celebrating. For some unknown reason, they passed through an interception, and they literally snatched the feet from the jaws of victory. They were celebrating before the game was over. We still got two more months left. I want this team focused like a laser to finish strong. I think it is very fair and reasonable that you will get a comprehensive update on our three-year plan and how we're doing on that quite early in the new year. Right now, home team's looking pretty good.
Menno Hulshof (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
You're going to be giving the ball to Marshawn then? Thanks for that, Rich.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
I got a lot of battering rams on this team, so I could give it to a number of folks.
Menno Hulshof (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
That's good to hear. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
One moment for your last question. The last question comes from the line of Patrick O'Rourke of ATB Capital Markets. Patrick, please go ahead.
Patrick O'Rourke (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Of course, congratulations to Chris, Troy, and Adam there. First question here. With respect to the extension that you guys have done on the turnarounds here. You have obviously been very thoughtful about planning and benchmarking these things. What are the signposts? I am sure you have them, but maybe you can articulate them to us around reliability, particularly later in the cycle with the assets where you have extended the turnarounds there. If you're thinking about this, and I know every asset has sort of a different turnaround cycle, what's the quantification of the volumes to date that you've done through these extensions?
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Team, do you want to take a comment on the—I think on the first one, where I'd phrase it is it's about managing risk. It's about looking at, as we extend intervals, the confidence that we can do that without having anything go boom in the night and/or cost us more. What's your comment on that? Maybe I'll come back on the volumetric impact.
Peter Zebedee (EVP of Oil Sands)
I mean, we're really employing a risk-based inspection methodology to see the state of our current units and then applying the appropriate engineering fix to be able to assure ourselves that we're able to get these units kind of to the next interval. As Shelly said at the start, we start with benchmarking. We see where other units of a similar nature are elsewhere in the world, and we set our North Star at or above that, and then kind of back out, "Okay, what needs to be true to make that happen?" We apply this risk-based inspection methodology, and we do the work that's necessary to give ourselves the confidence to achieve it.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
I think the key—one thing I just add to it too is your interim inspection techniques is you're monitoring things. We do not arbitrarily say, "Okay, we're going to a six-year interval," and then just wake up five years from now and start preparing. You are monitoring technical and operational data as we go. I like that you're using more sophisticated techniques. You're using drones in our business.You're using a number of things that help us ensure that those intervals are indeed the right intervals. What I think we keep finding is opportunities to further extend. Dave, do you have anything you'd add to it?
Dave Oldreive (EVP of Downstream)
Yeah. Thanks, Rich. I would just build on what Peter said. When we started our turnaround journey, we really focused on work selection. What that did is allow us to do the right work at the right time and have a much better understanding of—to do that, you have to have a better understanding of the condition of the equipment. The natural outcome of that was, "Hey, it looks like the equipment can go longer." Now that we really understand it better from a work selection perspective, we think it can go longer from a duration or interval perspective. It really was an outcome of the work that we've done, grounded in benchmarking. We know what the best of the best do for each technology that we operate. That is really our target.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
Shelly?
Shelley Powell (SVP of Operational Improvement and Support Services)
Yeah. I just want to maybe underline what Peter said, that when we talk about interval extensions, this is really a detailed technical engineering exercise. We follow a very rigorous management of change process that is embedded in our management system. This is not, "What does the benchmark say?" and, "Let's go make it happen." This is a very detailed technical evaluation to make sure that we're very confident in the long-term reliability and safety of these assets.
Rich Kruger (President and CEO)
If I go back to your first question, this is not third-party certified. The increase in volumes this year, the revising guidance upward in both production and refining throughput, the bulk of those revisions up are exceptional turnaround performance related.
Patrick O'Rourke (Managing Director of Institutional Equity Research)
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator (participant)
I am showing no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to Troy Little for closing remarks.
Troy Little (CFO)
Thank you, everyone, for joining our call this morning. I look forward to continuing to work with you all in the future, and I also want to sincerely thank you for all your support these past several years. If you have any follow-up questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to our team. Operator, you can end the call.
Operator (participant)
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