Synchrony Financial - Q2 2023
July 18, 2023
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Operator (participant)
Good morning, and welcome to the Synchrony Financial Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please refer to the company's investor relations website for access to their earnings materials. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode. The call will be opened up for your questions following the conclusion of the management's prepared remarks. If at any time you should need operator assistance, please press star zero. If you wish to ask a question following the prepared remarks, please press star one. I will now turn the call over to Kathryn Miller, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Kathryn Miller (SVP, Investor Relations)
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Quarterly Earnings Conference Call. In addition to today's press release, we have provided a presentation that covers the topics we plan to address during our call. The press release, detailed financial schedules, and presentation are available on our website, synchronyfinancial.com. This information can be accessed by going to the Investor Relations section of the website. Before we get started, I wanted to remind you that our comments today will include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainty, and actual results could differ materially. We list the factors that might cause actual results to differ materially in our SEC filings, which are available on our website. During the call, we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures in discussing the company's performance. You can find a reconciliation of these measures to GAAP financial measures in our materials for today's call.
Finally, Synchrony Financial is not responsible for and does not edit or guarantee the accuracy of our earnings teleconference transcripts provided by third parties. The only authorized webcasts are located on our website. On the call this morning are Brian Doubles, Synchrony's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Wenzel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Brian Doubles.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Kathryn, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter, Synchrony delivered strong financial results, including net earnings of $569 million, or $1.32 per diluted share, a return on average assets of 2.1%, and a return on tangible common equity of 21.7%. Synchrony continues to demonstrate strong growth and financial performance as consumer behavior reverts to pre-pandemic norms and as our products and value propositions resonate strongly across our diversified set of platforms and partners. During the second quarter, we opened 5.9 million new accounts and grew average active accounts by 7% on a core basis. Once again, we set a new record as our $47 billion in purchase volume reached our highest level ever for a second quarter. These strong sales continue to demonstrate the value of our diversified products and platforms.
Health and wellness purchase volume grew 17% compared to last year, reflecting broad-based growth in active accounts along with higher spend per active account. The 8% growth in digital purchase volume was driven by higher average active accounts and reflected continued momentum in several of our new programs. In diversifying value, purchase volume increased 7%, reflecting higher out-of-partner spend, strong retailer performance, and the continued impact of newer value propositions driving penetration growth. Lifestyle purchase volume increased 10%, reflecting growth in average transaction values in outdoor and luxury. In home and auto, purchase volume was largely unchanged versus last year, as the benefit of higher average transaction values and growth in commercial products was largely offset by lower retail traffic and a reduction in gas prices.
Dual and co-branded cards accounted for 41% of total purchase volume in the quarter and increased 14% on a core basis, with several of our newer value propositions continuing to drive elevated growth. Our view into the consumer, informed by the billions of real-time transactional data that we regularly monitor, shows continued normalization in consumer behavior toward pre-pandemic levels, which has progressed in line with our expectations. Average transaction frequency continued to grow in the quarter, while average transaction values declined modestly. This decline, however, was partly attributable to lower gas prices. A deeper dive into our out-of-partner spend shows continued stability in key discretionary categories, such as restaurants and entertainment, as well as in non-discretionary categories like grocery and discount stores. The reduction in average values was noted even among our highest credit quality borrowers, which was also accompanied by some modest slowing in transaction frequency.
Following the trend from previous quarters, our younger borrowers, as well as those in lower credit grades, continue to reduce the pace of spend. This quarter, given the seasonal impact of tax refunds, we saw a small sequential increase in our payment rates, largely driven by higher credit quality segments. Year over year, however, payment rates continued to decline across age and credit bands. Meanwhile, the external deposit data we track shows that the average consumer savings balances declined approximately 2% from the first quarter, but remain approximately 7% above 2020's average level. Taken together, the payment, spend, and savings trends we're watching suggest that consumers continue to be well supported by the constructive labor market and relatively healthy balance sheets as they gradually revert to their pre-pandemic norms.
As we continue to closely monitor the health of our consumers, we are also advancing the key strategic priorities of our business to position Synchrony for long-term success. One of our key priorities is the continued expansion of our multi-product strategy across partners, distribution channels, and markets, allowing us to meet our customers how and where they want to be met, and with a variety of financing solutions that address their specific financing needs in each interaction. We recognize that our customers' needs change over time, and Synchrony can and should be their financing partner of choice throughout life stages. Whether applying in person, online, or through an app, we leverage our data and advanced analytics through our digital ecosystem to deliver fast, seamless offers designed to responsibly support each customer's particular purchase.
For customers who appreciate the simplicity of an installment loan with flexible terms and payment schedules, Synchrony's Buy Now, Pay Later solutions have become popular options and are successfully attracting new accounts and driving deeper engagement. In fact, partners who have launched these products have seen a 29% lift in new accounts, with over 95% of the sales coming from new customers. These solutions conveniently integrated into our broader partner relationships and product offerings and match with our deep insights into the consumer, clearly expand our reach beyond our traditional set of customers and offer our partners another effective tool for engaging with their most loyal shoppers. Most recently, we announced that our partner At Home selected Synchrony as its exclusive Buy Now, Pay Later provider, integrating this installment product with its existing suite of payment options.
Customers can select Synchrony Pay Later at checkout, online, and in-store, and thanks to our integrated data and leading underwriting capabilities, most can be pre-qualified without impacting their credit score. At Home joins over 700 of our partners, providers, and merchants that now utilize Synchrony's installment suite in the form of our Pay Later, Allegro, and secured installment loans. We are excited to further roll out these offerings across more programs and through our proprietary distribution channels over the coming months. As Synchrony continues to broaden our product suite and empower these offerings with our dynamic decisioning capabilities, we are better able to acquire and deepen relationships with our customers. We see these new installment products leading to cross-selling opportunities and product upgrades across the business, and helping partners build lifelong customers.
In campaigns across various portfolios, we have seen that 20% of private label cardholders are eligible for an upgrade to a dual card, which brings higher utility and better value propositions. Our customers respond to these upgrades with nearly double the purchase volume and 1.6 times the lifetime value to Synchrony. For our partners, these deeper relationships translate into more loyal, better-engaged shoppers. Ultimately, the successful execution of our multi-product strategy means better experiences for everyone, reinforcing a dependable and resilient model for all of our stakeholders. As we head into the second half of 2023, Synchrony is well positioned to capitalize on these and other new opportunities while continuing to consistently deliver for our customers, our partners, and our shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, Brian. Good morning, everyone. Synchrony's second quarter results demonstrate the power of our differentiated model. Our broad reach across industries and verticals, and the compelling value propositions offered on our products were key drivers of our resilient purchase volume. These core Synchrony strengths, combined with our disciplined approach to underwriting, our diverse funding model, and our RSA arrangements, continue to provide effective offsets to changes in the macroeconomic environment. On a core basis, ending receivables grew 15% versus last year. This was driven by a combination of approximately 130 basis points decrease in payment rate and a 6% growth in core purchase volume. Our second quarter payment rate of 16.8% remains approximately 150 basis points higher than our five-year pre-pandemic historical average.
Net interest income increased 8% to $4.1 billion, reflecting 19% growth in interest and fees from higher loan receivables and stronger loan receivable yields, partially offset by the impact of divestitures in the prior year period. On a core basis, interest and fees grew 25%, driven by loan receivables growth, higher benchmark rates, and a lower payment rate as credit continues to normalize towards pre-pandemic levels. Our net interest margin of 14.94% declined 66 basis points, as higher funding costs more than offset the benefit of strong loan yields. More specifically, loan receivable yields grew 145 basis points and contributed 124 basis points to net interest margin. Higher liquidity portfolio yield contributed an additional 53 basis points to net interest margin.
Offsetting these improvements was higher interest-bearing liability cost, which increased 263 basis points to 4.4% and reduced net interest margin by 215 basis points. Our mix of interest-earning assets reduced net interest margin by approximately 28 basis points, as continued deposit inflows allow us to build liquidity and pre-fund anticipated receivables growth in the second half of this year. RSAs of $887 million in the second quarter were 3.85% of average loan receivables. The $240 million decline from the prior year reflected higher net charge-offs and the impact of portfolios sold in the prior year, partially offset by higher net interest income.
The RSA continues to provide critical alignment with our partners and stability in Synchrony's risk-adjusted returns, as demonstrated through this period of credit normalization and higher funding costs. Provision for credit losses increased to $1.4 billion, reflecting higher NCOs and a $287 million reserve build, which was largely driven by growth in loan receivables. The decline in other income was driven by a $120 million gain on portfolio sales recorded in the prior year period. Other expenses increased 8% to $1.2 billion, primarily driven by growth-related items, as well as operational losses and technology investments. Our efficiency ratio for the second quarter improved by approximately 220 basis points compared to last year to 35.5%.
In total, Synchrony generated second quarter net earnings of $569 million or $1.32 per diluted share, a return on average assets of 2.1% and a return on tangible common equity of 21.7%. Next, I'll cover our key credit trends on Slide 8. As payment behavior continues to revert towards pre-pandemic historical averages, our delinquency and net charge-off rates continue to normalize towards pre-pandemic performance. Our 30-plus delinquency rate was 3.84% compared to 2.74% last year, which is approximately 60 basis points lower than the second quarter of 2019. Our 90-plus delinquency rate was 1.77% versus 1.22% in the prior year, which is approximately 40 basis points lower than the second quarter of 2019.
Our net charge-off rate was 4.75% versus 2.73% last year, which is approximately 100 basis points below the midpoint of our underwriting target of 5.5%-6%, where Synchrony's risk-adjusted returns are more fully optimized. While credit continues to normalize in line with our expectations, we're actively monitoring our portfolio and have undertaken some proactive, targeted actions to position our portfolio into 2024. These actions have been focused on certain types of inactive accounts, as well as segments of the portfolio where we are seeing significant score migration into non-prime and are unlikely to have a material impact on purchase volume. Focusing on reserves, our allowance for credit losses as a percent of loan receivables was 10.34%, down 10 basis points from the 10.44% in the first quarter.
The reserve build of $287 million in the quarter was largely driven by receivables growth. Our provision did not include any material changes in our qualitative reserves or significant changes in our macroeconomic assumptions. Turning to slide 10, funding, capital, and liquidity continue to be highlights of Synchrony's performance. During the second quarter, our consumer bank offerings continued to resonate with customers. We experienced positive net flows each week, culminating in direct deposit growth of $2.3 billion in the first quarter, which was partially offset by lower broker deposits. Deposits at quarter end represented 84% of our total funding. The remainder of our funding stack is comprised of securitized and unsecured debt at 6% and 10% of our funding, respectively. We remain focused on being active issuers in both markets as conditions allow.
Total liquidity, including undrawn credit facilities, was $19.4 billion, up $521 million from last year. As a percent of total assets, liquidity represented 17.9%, down 198 basis points from last year, as we manage our liquidity portfolio and fund strong loan receivables growth. Focusing on our capital ratios. As a reminder, we elected to take the benefit of the CECL transition rules issued by the joint federal banking agencies. Synchrony made its annual transitional adjustment of approximately 60 basis points in January and will continue to make annual adjustments of approximately 60 basis points each year until January of 2025. The impact of CECL has already been recognized in our income statement and balance sheet.
Under the CECL transition rules, we ended the second quarter with a CET1 ratio of 12.3%, 290 basis points lower than last year's levels of 15.2%. The Tier 1 capital ratio was 13.1% under the CECL transition rules, compared to 16.1% last year. The total capital ratio decreased 220 basis points to 15.2%, and the Tier 1 capital plus reserves ratio, on a fully phased-in basis, decreased to 22.4%, compared to 25% last year. Continuing our commitment to robust capital returns, Synchrony announced approval of an incremental $1 billion share repurchase authorization through June of 2024, in addition to the $300 million remaining on the prior authorization.
We also announced our intention to increase the company's common stock dividend by 9% to $0.25 per share from $0.23 per share, beginning in the third quarter. During the second quarter, we returned $399 million to shareholders, reflecting $300 million of share repurchases and $99 million in common stock dividends. At the end of the quarter, we had $1 billion remaining in our share repurchase authorization. Synchrony will continue to execute on our capital plan as guided by our business performance, market conditions, regulatory restrictions, and subject to our capital plan. We'll also continue to seek opportunities to complete our fully developed capital structure through the issuance of additional preferred stock. We have a strong history of capital generation and management, which is empowered by our resilient business model.
Given the uncertainties in both the macroeconomic environment and the financial services industry, Synchrony remains focused on actively managing the assets we originate and prudently managing the capital we generate to optimize our long-term value creation and resiliency. Please refer to slide 12 of our presentation for more detail on our full year 2023 outlook. We expect our ending loan receivables to grow by 10% or more for 2023, reflecting the combined impact of the payment rate moderation and purchase volume growth. We continue to expect payment rates to normalize, but remain above pre-pandemic levels through the remainder of this year. We now expect our net interest margin within a range of 15%-15.15% for the full year.
The net interest margin in the first half was influenced by higher liquidity due to stronger than anticipated deposit flows and receivables growth pre-funding. Deposit beta has also trended better than expected in the first half. We have since seen growing competition for deposits. Our revised full year outlook incorporates these first half trends, as well as the anticipated impacts of further interest rate increases by the Federal Reserve and the possibility of higher deposit betas in the second half of the year. As a reminder, we expect our net interest margin to fluctuate quarter to quarter, driven by higher liquidity as we pre-fund growth, resulting in variation in the mix of interest-earning assets, and interest and fee growth, partially offset by rising reversals as credit continues to normalize.
Turning to our credit outlook, we now expect delinquencies to reach pre-pandemic levels during the second half of 2023, versus our previous expectation of an approaching peak in mid-year. Net Charge-Offs should follow a similar but lag progression through the year. Generally speaking, loss dollars will not reach a fully normalized level until approximately six months following the peak in delinquencies. Given the slightly more moderate pace of delinquency normalization, we now expect Net Charge-Offs to trend towards the lower end of our prior outlook, between 4.75% and 4.9%. We continue to anticipate losses reaching fully normalized levels on an annual basis in 2024. We expect the RSA to trend below our prior outlook and be between 3.95% and 4.1% of average loan receivables for the full year.
This approved range reflects the impact of continued credit normalization, lower net interest margin, and the mix of our loan receivables growth. Given our higher than anticipated growth in the first half, we now anticipate quarterly operating expenses to trend at approximately $1.15 billion for 2023. We remain committed to delivering operating leverage for the full year. Taken together, Synchrony's differentiated model continues to power resilient financial results through a range of environments. We look forward to delivering on our commitments as we close out the second half of 2023. I'll now turn the call back over to Brian for his closing thoughts. Thanks, Brian. Synchrony's differentiated model has positioned the company well through evolving environments. We consistently power best-in-class experiences for our customers and strong outcomes for our partners, even as their needs change. Our business generates strong capital.
We are adept at putting that capital to work in an effective, prudent manner to deliver sustainable, longer-term growth at attractive risk-adjusted returns. As I look ahead to the remainder of this year, I am confident in our ability to execute on our strategic priorities and deliver value to our many stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call back to Kathryrn to open the Q&A.
Kathryn Miller (SVP, Investor Relations)
That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now begin the Q&A session. That we can accommodate as many of you as possible, I'd like to ask the participants to please limit yourself to one primary and one follow-up question. If you have additional questions, the investor relations team will be available after the call. Operator, please start the Q&A session.
Operator (participant)
At this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and one follow up question. We'll take our first question from Arren Cyganovich with Citi.
Arren Cyganovich (VP and Senior Analyst)
With your payment rates still normalizing and purchase volumes relatively stable, what's going to drive the somewhat a bit of a deceleration in your growth from 15%, where it's been recently, to the kind of closer to 10%+ that you've talked about for year-end?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. Good morning, Arren, and thanks for the question. I think it's a little bit less about our current period. You're right, we do anticipate the payment rate continuing to moderate as we move in the back end, but be elevated versus the pre-pandemic period. We do continue to expect to see on a dollar basis, strong purchase volume growth. I think when you look back at the acceleration last year, coming out of Omicron and the pandemic period, there was an acceleration, you know, beginning in the second quarter through the end of the year, which provides more difficult comps. I think when you look at it on a B basis and the asset build as payment rate really came off a tie last year, it's just a more difficult comp.
I think when you think about the volume we're going to put up here in the second quarter all the way through the end of the year, I think it's going to be, you know, strong when you look at that performance across all of our sales platforms.
Arren Cyganovich (VP and Senior Analyst)
Thanks. In the digital and health and wellness platforms, both of those are showing continued really strong growth there. Can you provide a little color about within those segments, what's driving the strong growth there?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, sure. Look, I would say we're very pleased with the growth that we're seeing across all of our platforms. You know, you look at receivables, up 15% for the company, Health and Wellness leading the charge at 22%, Digital up 18%. Even Home and Auto up 10% is a really good result and, you know, really pacing ahead of our expectations so far this year. You know, we've talked about in the past, you know, Health and Wellness is one of the platforms where we've made incremental investments in marketing and products, and so I think you're seeing those investments pay off. Digital, you've obviously got the benefit of the new programs that sit inside of Digital, all of which are performing really well. We would continue to expect to over-index in those two platforms.
Arren Cyganovich (VP and Senior Analyst)
Great. Thanks, Brian.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Arren.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo.
Don Fandetti (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Hi, good morning.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Hi, Don.
Don Fandetti (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
I was wondering if you could dig in a little bit more on what you're seeing in terms of consumer behavior. I know in the past you've talked about customer call-ins and what you're hearing in terms of slower wage or working less hours. Has there been any change there?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, I'll start on this one. I think, look, the consumer is still strong. You know, I think they're obviously still spending. Excess savings are coming down a bit, but they're still trending above 2020 levels. You know, when you look at having a pretty strong labor market, the one surprise I'd say so far this year is how resilient the consumer's been. You know, you certainly see that on the growth side. We just reported our second quarter was a record in terms of purchase volume. Credit is very much in line with our expectations, maybe a touch better. We're still operating below 2019 levels. We're below our long-term target of 5.5%-6%. You know, everything we're seeing on the consumer is still pretty positive.
With that said, you know, we're still operating cautiously. We're monitoring this, you know, every hour, every day. We're listening to the calls. I wouldn't say we're hearing anything abnormal. It really is kind of in line with our expectations, and as expected, credit will continue to normalize, you know, through the balance of this year and into the next.
Don Fandetti (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Got it. On the allowance rate, are you still thinking that it's sort of steady to maybe improving a bit?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks for that, Don. You know, the first half of the year, I think when we look at the reserve provisioning, they've really been growth from provisions, I think 285 and 286, respectively, for the first quarter and the second quarter. Again, we continue to expect that migration back down towards CECL day one. I think the delinquency formation that we have seen has been in line with our expectations. Again, that will trend out over time. I think the one shift why we haven't changed our macroeconomic assumptions or really things around student loans, they've just been a little bit slower, which is why I think you see us today talking about, you know, getting back to that pre-pandemic levels of delinquency in mid-second half of this year.
Again, it will migrate, continue to migrate down as long as we believe the macro backdrop comes in with In line with our expectations.
Don Fandetti (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thank you.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Don.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America.
Mihir Bhatia (Vice President, Equity Research and Research Analyst)
Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe to start, I think the first question I had was just on the regulatory front, specifically thinking around the CFPB's late fee rules and also the inquiry into the deferred interest, medical cards. Maybe just talk about your perspective on those issues, where things have shaken out, and if there's any updates to share on how you're just preparing for those events? Thanks.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, sure. Let me start on late fees. You know, we've been working on this for over a year now, when the initial kind of proposal came out. You know, we're having very productive conversations with our partners around different offsets. I would tell you that, they clearly understand that this is an issue that the entire industry has to deal with. It's likely going to result in new pricing models, new pricing actions across all issuers. You know, we've had those discussions with our partners. I'd say no real surprises. They expected to see the things that we're proposing, like higher APRs, different types of fees, penalty pricing. We've also been having a good dialogue around underwriting.
I think they fully appreciate that without some of these pricing offsets, that a fairly significant portion of the customers that we underwrite today might lose access to credit. Just to be clear, that's something that we don't want. It's something that they don't want. Our interests are very much aligned on that point. Look, at the end of the day, our goal is to protect the partners. We want to offset the impact here and continue to underwrite the customers that we do today. Lastly, I'd just say, look, there's a lot still to be decided here. You know, we expect to see a final rule sometime in the fourth quarter. It's likely to be litigated. That's, I think, the consensus, at least what we're hearing. But we've had teams focused on this for a while.
We're as prepared as we could be. We'll just continue to play through and give you updates as we learn more. What was your second question?
Mihir Bhatia (Vice President, Equity Research and Research Analyst)
It was just on the medical, If you have any comments on the inquiry into the deferred interest and the medical cards that they've also been talking about?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, look, I'd say first, we're very proud of the CareCredit products that we offer. You know, in our view, CareCredit is not a medical credit card. The vast majority of what we do there is elective health and wellness spend, so 70% of the business is actually dental and pet care.
... you know, we work very hard to ensure that the products are fair and transparent. You know, deferred interest as a product has been around for decades. We believe our practices are actually industry-leading. You know, one positive outcome would be just to level the playing field and bring other issuers kind of up to the standards and the things that we do every day. Again, very proud of the product. It's actually one of the products that we get the absolute best feedback on from customers.
Mihir Bhatia (Vice President, Equity Research and Research Analyst)
Just if I could switch gears on to the credit side, right? Your guidance for delinquency rates, and I think you've talked about, you know, consumer being resilient, delinquencies taking a little while to get back to pre-pandemic levels, which obviously is a good thing. Your guidance talks about it approaching pre-pandemic levels here in the next, I guess, six months. What happens after that? I mean, your charge-off comments for 2024 suggest you think delinquencies will stabilize at those pre-pandemic levels. Maybe just talk about what gives you confidence that that will happen versus, you know, going through those pre-pandemic levels and continuing to grind higher. Thank you.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, thanks, Mihir. I think the way we think about it, and we watch vintage performance, we watch how the roles kind of come into delinquency. I just want to focus where we are today, right. When you look at average delinquency in the pre-pandemic period and compare it to apply that to the balances today, our 30 plus and 90 plus are at 87% and 82% of historical levels, and that's just been moving up slightly as we step through each of the quarters. I think translating that's about 60 basis points lower than 2019 for 30 plus, 40 basis points lower for 90 plus.
I think, you know, different than a lot of issuers, we are not at that pre-pandemic delinquency formation yet, albeit, you know, we are continuing to move closer to that in a very measured approach. I think when you think about the loss rate and what's flowing your loss now, we're at 82% of our midpoint of our underwriting average. We look at the formation today and say we feel good about where that is. When we look at the vintages performances, you know, if I go back to 18 and 19, we're not seeing real significant deterioration of those vintages. They're through their peak loss periods.
When we start looking at the pandemic-level vintages, and particularly in 2021 and 2022, when a lot of issuers, I'd say, adjusted credit standards to kind of put it on. Those vintages for us are performing in line with our 2018 and 2019 vintages. We don't see performance in there or in the back book, if you call it that says we're going to be through our underwriting standards, you know, and target range for next year. I think we've also been, you know, for the first time, you know, this year, we did a little bit broader-based actions, and these was really around, I'd say, de-risking the loss rate for next year. These are really around accounts that are either inactive or see significant score migration into non-prime, so not significant.
It's unlikely to have a material impact on sales or credit, just taking some what I'd say, more appropriate, prudent actions across the portfolio, in addition to the idiosyncratic options that we're doing. We feel good with the actions we're taking. We feel good about Prism and the decision trees that are inside of Prism in order to manage credit and adapt quickly to the environment. The vintage performances are in line with our expectations. That sets us up to how we form. We'll obviously be back towards the end of the year and give you updated guidance with regard to the full 2024 loss rate. Hopefully, that gives you some perspective on how we think about them here.
Mihir Bhatia (Vice President, Equity Research and Research Analyst)
Great. Thank you.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs.
Ryan Nash (Analyst)
Hey, good morning, guys.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Hey, Ryan.
Ryan Nash (Analyst)
Brian, the second half net interest margin guide being in line with the first half. Maybe just talk about what is driving your, you know, your updated expectations. I think you mentioned, you know, betas could be higher. I'm assuming that you no longer have rate cuts as per the forward curve. Maybe just talk about what you're assuming for betas, and how do you think about the puts and takes or the trajectory of the net interest margin over an intermediate term, if, you know, if rates are going to stay high, you know, higher for an extended period of time?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, Ryan. So the betas we experienced in the first half of the year, if I make it broadly between savings and CDs, and the savings were mid-70s, were low 90s in CDs. I think as we step forward into the second half, the one thing that we noticed in the competitive dynamics as we exited out of the second quarter, Ryan, was a little bit more, price increases from competitors. I think that comes from a couple different places. You have certain of the regional banks that are experiencing outflows relative to commercial deposits. That's probably twofold. One, them running a little tighter on cash, and two, you know, there's some, I'd say, risk, mitigation strategies that some commercial firms are using.
They are becoming a little bit more competitive for deposits. You also see some of the big brick-and-mortar institutions who are trying to not have to raise their overall deposit rate, but using an online product in order to raise rates. That dynamic, you know, really emerged, I'd say, late May into June. As we think about that mid-70s, low 90s, in our back half assumptions, we have it moving up, you know, call it roughly 10 percentage points. You'd see savings in the mid-80s, and you see CDs around 100%. I think as you think forward about deposits, generally speaking, you know, assuming that the market remains what I'd say, rational.
We would expect it to be fairly stable, then hopefully, when you start to see rate decreases in the future, that the betas will be, you know, in a similar type fashion, and we can lower it. I think when we think about the back half, broadly speaking, about net interest margin, you know, we should continue to see some tailwinds relative to the benchmark rates in the first half as they push through the floating portion of our portfolio in the back half. You continue to see revolve rate increases. If you expect the delinquency and losses to kind of come in line, your revolve rate should push up. There will be a little bit of offset there from the reversals as write-offs kind of rise. Again, some tailwinds as we come through there.
Clearly, some of the liquidity we built up in the first half will get deployed. you know, the second half will also be impact potentially how liquidity portfolio pays out and some of the wholesale funding that we're going to do in the second half, both in the secured and unsecured market. Hopefully, that gives you a flavor for how we think about the betas and then in the second half, Ryan.
Ryan Nash (Analyst)
Got it. Then, Brian, you know, we're obviously waiting on a handful of potential regulatory changes in the coming months. Can you maybe just talk about, you know, what way, if any, you think this will impact the way that you think about managing both capital and liquidity on a go-forward basis? Thanks.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Ryan. You know, again, Vice Chair Barr has indicated that they will put out proposed rules around capital, which again, will have a comment period before our final rule is issued, and then an implementation period a couple of years out to fully transition in. You know, we've obviously been preparing and have run different scenarios relative to the different outcomes when you think about financial changes, whereas the risk-weighted assets or the potential implications from, you know, at an operating risk perspective. I think we've been contemplating that relative to our capital plans. We haven't taken definitive action because I think it's manageable for us.
I think if the Fed decides to extend some of the long-term debt or TLAC requirements, you know, from based on the rules that exist today, we feel like we're in a good position. We're in surplus positions in those. I think we feel good about what potentially can come, but obviously, we'll look at the rules, we'll evaluate it, and most certainly we'll adapt our business, and try to be smarter with regard to if there's changes to the risk-weighted assets and how we optimize it. We haven't taken action to date, but we'll be closely monitoring, and we'll certainly be addressing as we move forward.
Ryan Nash (Analyst)
Thanks for the color.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Ryan.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, Ryan.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler.
Kevin Barker (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Thank you. You know, we've seen payment rates remain abnormally high for an extended period of time relative to pre-pandemic levels. Obviously, loan growth is still fairly robust. I mean, do you expect or do you feel that there is a fundamental shift in consumer behavior right now relative to what you were experiencing in 2018, 2019? Just given that these payment rates remain very high and could remain elevated for an extended period of time, just give us an idea of, you know, if there was a shift in consumer behavior and what you're seeing today.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Kevin, for the question. When we look inside payment rate for a second, there's a couple of different dynamics. Let me start with, we don't see something today that says fundamentally, the business payment rates for us or other issues will be fundamentally different, as we look out at, you know, you'll call it a year from now or so. When I look underneath and breaking into segments, what you've seen is a normalization back to pre-pandemic levels for the non-prime and lower credit grades. What's really, you know, kind of boosting the payment rate has been prime customers and super prime customers who have built up excess liquidity during the last couple of years, and they continue to pay at a higher rate than they did pre-pandemic.
We expect those people ultimately to normalize back to, you know, I'd say the pre-pandemic period. We're going to have to wait and see whether or not that happens. The other dynamic that we have seen is it has been a rise in autopay, which is a good thing for us. We've had about 4 percentage point shift, up to about 20% of the accounts paying on autopay. There, you know, that does help venture rate, it does help delinquency. It does change a little bit of the dynamics on the payment rate, but that's not something that we think is going to have a material shift.
Again, we think this is continuing to be, you know, part of the K-shaped recovery and part of the exit out of the pandemic period for now, and until we get more clarity with regard to when the excess, you know, savings or money that's been accumulated during the pandemic totally burns off for those higher credits.
Kevin Barker (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Okay, maybe just to follow up on, you know, the growth, the 10%+, right? It implies maybe a slowdown from where we are. Do you anticipate, you know, an impact on spending and your sales volume due to this student loan restart and payments in October? I know you've already made quite a bit of comments on the credit side, just give us an idea of your expected impact on the spending side.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, Kevin. Again, we understand the population of people who have student loans. We understand the magnitude, relative to the amount of loans that they have outstanding and what is currently in forbearance and not in forbearance. I think when we look at that population and the mix of that population, you know, first of all, they're very close to the FICO range we have. I think they're about 10 points different on a VantageScore, excuse me, difference. They're within 10 basis points of delinquency, so they look like the regular book. 46% of those people we have underwritten pre-pandemic, they were making payments, so we feel good about their ability to manage the financial situation. I wouldn't anticipate an impact on that when we think about purchase volume.
As we move into the back half of the year and into early next year. Again, I want to be clear, I tried to mention earlier in the call, Kevin, I don't think we see purchases on a dollar basis really decelerating. It just goes back into we had a really tough comp last year for everyone, as you saw this acceleration coming out of the backside of the pandemic, which was, you know, pent-up spending and demand, both for goods and services. We feel good about the volume. You know, Brian highlighted health and wellness and digital, which are really pulling the engine forward here, and we expect that to continue.
Kevin Barker (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Thank you, Brian.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, Kevin.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question will come from Rick Shane with J.P. Morgan.
Rick Shane (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thanks, guys, for taking my questions. Kevin really covered my primary topic, but I'd love to discuss a little bit, in terms of funding. You've alluded to the fact that in the second half of the year, you're going to look to the secured and unsecured markets. I'm just curious, realizing that you guys have not faced the issues that, some financial institutions have had related to deposits, whether the events of this year have caused you to at least take down your sort of target deposit ratio going forward?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, Rick. No, we have not altered our, you know, intended targets for the funding stack. We feel very confident and very proud of our deposit franchise, which I believe, comprises 84% of our funding. As we look at the first half performance of this year, we are positive on net flows every week, including the weeks where there was the bank turmoil. We feel good about our ability to attract deposits. Those deposits, when you look at the vintages, we've grown the vintages in the first half of the year back. You know, the customers are sticking with us. We continue to have a high retention rate with regard to CDs. The stickiness of having, you know, essentially 99% retail deposits are really helping us as we move forward.
Our willingness and desire to, you know, tap the wholesale markets is a very important part of our funding sources. I think to some degree, when you go longer periods without being into those two markets, it becomes more costly for people willing to buy in and underwrite your name. Having a presence in those markets and continuing to be active over time, particularly when we have debt maturities, is going to be important. We also have, you know, some maturities in the back half of the year relative to CDs and things like that. To try to manage the betas, accessing the wholesale market in certain increments makes, you know, a lot of intuitive sense for us.
Again, we feel good about the deposit franchise, and that will be, again, 80%+ of our funding stack as we continue to move forward, is our goal.
Rick Shane (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Hey, Brian, that's very helpful. As you think about the wholesale markets, can you talk a little bit in this rate environment and supply and demand, what is the potential arbitrage in terms of funding versus the deposit market?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
You know, Rick, for us, it's really about access. I mean, obviously, credit spreads are a little bit wider than we would like, given some of the uncertainty, and then most certainly given some people's, you know, where benchmark rates may go, even after the Fed meeting later this month. We less look at it as an arbitrage, more as how do I create a steady foundation and have the proper mix going forward? We think to some degree, we continue to drive what we think is very good performance in the business, show the credit performance here, and show our ability to manage the regulatory environment that the credit spreads will tighten in over time. We don't look at it as an arbitrage.
We more look at it as how do I get a balanced funding need in order to really protect the balance of the company and provide the appropriate liquidity under all situations.
Rick Shane (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Perfect. That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks, Rick.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW.
Sanjay Sakhrani (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
Thanks. Good morning. There's some news out there that there's, you know, at least one large portfolio out there for RFP, big technology company. Obviously, Walmart still remains in flux. I'm curious, Brian Doubles, if you could give us a sense of sort of where Synchrony might stand for any larger portfolios or any other deal that might be out there?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, sure, Sanjay. Look, I would say, you know, with a couple exceptions, most of what's in our BD pipeline right now are smaller, start-up, kind of de novo opportunities, which we're really excited about, but obviously, take more time to grow. I think on larger opportunities, obviously we're very active there as well, but I would also say that's where we're extremely disciplined as well, in terms of risk, return, making sure we've got the right balance, the right alignment with partners. I think that's just absolutely critical. I think you're always going to see us steer a little bit more on the small to midsize deals because we just hold the higher deals to, or the bigger deals to a higher level of scrutiny in terms of risk and return and alignment with the partner.
Sanjay Sakhrani (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
I appreciate that. I guess follow up on some of the late fee regulation commentary. I guess what I seem to be hearing is, like, there might not be a whole lot of move on the safe harbor amount that was proposed. I'm just curious, like, as we think about how the adjustments might be made, it's a pretty significant decline in that rate. I guess, what is your operating assumption as you move forward, as you talk to your partners? I mean, is it as low as the safe harbor that's been proposed?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Look, we clearly think that this proposal has a lot of unintended consequences to consumers, even to small businesses who rely on credit. We don't agree with $8. We think that $8 is not a deterrent. It's not an incentive to pay on time. It will restrict credit to some customers. It will make credit more expensive to many customers. We're very active with the rest of the industry in the comment letter process, and we would certainly welcome a higher amount than the $8. With that said, we have to prepare for the $8 to go into effect as written right now. That's kind of our base operating assumption.
We do think that if the cost calculation were designed differently, we could certainly substantiate a cost higher than $8. That's another angle that we're pursuing here. We need to have revenue offsets that we're ready to put in place to offset that, because, again, our goal is to protect our partners here and continue to underwrite their customers just like we do today. Those are the discussions that are ongoing, and that's really where we've been focused for the last, you know, 10 to 12 months.
Sanjay Sakhrani (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
Okay, great. Well, thank you so much for the color.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. Thanks, Sanjay.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Pancari with Evercore ISI.
John Pancari (Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
Morning. Regarding the credit actions that you've mentioned you're taking into 2024, given some migration on the non-prime side, can you give us more color on what portfolios you're seeing this migration and what actions you're taking? If you can give us a little more detail on that front. Thanks.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yes, thanks, John. You know, obviously, we can't get into specifics with regard to portfolios, but I think broader-based, if you had a credit, that was in the, you know, call it 700 range, and you saw a migration of 50 or 60 basis points into non-prime, we would look at that account. Before, we used to wait and kind of look at it. Now we look at it in combination of other factors and decide immediately whether or not we want to reduce the exposure down to the balance, so a credit line decrease, or two, if it has other attributes that we may be more uncomfortable with, we do a credit line, you know, closure, account closure on that account. We do the same thing effectively in our inactive portfolio.
If these are what I'd say, and this is why it's not, you know, it's unlikely to have a material effect next year, is because these are significant movements into non-prime, just because they're not performing the way they would, and they had a very significant movement at the time. Again, not broad-based. We only draw the fact, you know, to be honest with you, John, because we said all our actions have been idiosyncratic. These are what I'd say, minor refinements that again, we are more broader-based. If we see it anywhere in the portfolio, we're going to take action. Again, it's really more to de-risk next year a little bit, but not something that's likely to have a material effect.
John Pancari (Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
Got it. All right thank you. Separately, on the expense front, can you give us a little bit more color on your updated expense outlook? I know you bumped that up a bit and mentioning growth and operating losses. Maybe could you help give us more color there, maybe break it out and kind of set out what drove the revision?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Sure. When we look at growth, I mean, obviously the growth for us, we raised the guide from the beginning part of the year. We are seeing, you know, opportunities to invest more in the portfolio Brian highlighted, particularly in the health and wellness and CareCredit, the ability for us to lean into that segment a little bit more. We saw opportunities really to kind of grow, whether it was with our Allegro product or others, that made sense for us to grow the portfolio. We are seeing growth. We've added some incremental resources around that, which we think drive it. Overall purchase volume has been a little bit stronger, you know, in the first half.
Again, we expect to have some variable cost increases as you think about more active accounts in the back half of the year as we service those accounts. From a growth standpoint, those are some of the attributes, and again, ones in which we're going to be, you know, if we find a good risk-adjusted return, we want to lean into in this environment, from a growth standpoint. You know, operational losses, you know, the whole industry really benefited the last couple of years as a lot of fraud migrated to, you know, some of the Buy Now, Pay Laters and other people who may not have had as robust fraud strategies in place. So we saw abnormally low and again, this was industry-wide, you know, fraud relative to the purchase volume.
That is migrating back to what I'd say is a more historical level. You know, this quarter, we did have one particular incident, you know, from a partner who had an exposure, which drove the cost up here a little bit, but there was an RSA offset to it. Again, we just see more normal migration back to what would be in the pre-pandemic period. It's not something that we look at and say, this is going to become a challenge for the industry or for us individually, just more the migration back to more normalized levels.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
I think the only thing I'd add to that is we're clearly getting operating leverage. You saw a pretty good year-over-year improvement in the efficiency ratio. That's a key measure for us that obviously we're very focused on.
John Pancari (Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst)
Got it. Thank you.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thanks.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, John.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.
Jeff Adelson (Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Hi, good morning. This is Jeff Adelson on for Betsy. Was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about the RSA sustainability at these lower run rate levels relative to the longer-term guide you have of the 4%-4.5%. What maybe is taking that lower in the 2023 guide with the NCOs going lower as well? Does that reflect something where, you know, maybe your retail partners are a little bit more willing to share in the higher OpEx you're seeing come through?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, thanks, Jeff. You know, the RSA does incorporate expenses in, expenses would flow through to our partners as well as, you know, what's really impacting now is, again, some of the pressure you saw on the net interest margin from interest-bearing liabilities costs. They flow through the partner as well. I think you combine that with credit normalization, and you really get the effect that we have. Again, the 4%-4.25% where we started the year, now the 3.90%-4.15% is at the lower end of a long-term guide. I think, again, the long-term guide has a slightly higher net charge-off rate, but higher margin where you share.
Again, we look at the RSA, and when you look at the performance, when obviously we had much lower Net Charge-Offs and the profitability was higher, the RSA was higher. Now, as you see a little bit of this interest bearing liability cost increase, Net Charge-Off increase, slightly higher expenses, the RSA is performing like it should, and it's designed to, where it's a little bit lower than expectation. We updated the guides to be 390 to 415, and we believe that that is, you know, for this year, a good estimate of where the performance is going to be, and we'll be back. Again, we feel good about the long-term guide, and there hasn't been any fundamental shifts in the sharing of economics with our partners.
Jeff Adelson (Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Then just in terms of your new account acquisition profile, I know you talked in prior quarters about the relative tightening you guys have been doing. I was just wondering if we could get an update on any incremental actions you've taken over the last three months. I know you already gave an update on the student loan repayment side of things. Just wondering if, you know, that factors into how you're underwriting people today, and maybe what you're hearing from your folks who are calling in on that repayment starting?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Jeff, we haven't taken any broad-based actions with regard to account acquisition. We really look there at performance against risk-adjusted margin and probability of defaults on a partner and channel basis. We've been making more refinements there, but not broad-based actions. We feel good about it. You know, you got to remember us as an issuer, you know, we get selected for credit versus others who do mailings and choose people to apply for credit. We have to be, you know, hopefully smarter at the time of that decision in which we can gather more data, use data from our partners, use unique data attributes, bringing it to make that smarter decision. The other important point I'd say is during the pandemic period, we really don't open and close the acquisition lever.
We make small adjustments as we see fit, we're relative to line assignments, but we try to be consistent with our partners and really manage the exposure through the line. Again, no significant changes on account acquisition. I think you can see that in the consistency of our new account origination, both last year and through the first half of this year.
Jeff Adelson (Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Thanks for taking my question.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, Jeff.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Hecht with Jefferies.
John Hecht (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Morning, guys, and thanks.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Hey, John.
John Hecht (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
taking my questions. How are you guys?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Good.
John Hecht (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
First one is Brian Doubles. I think you gave a little bit more color on the usage of BNPL and I guess the increased usage of the BNPL product in your portfolio. It sounded like you were emphasizing it in a sense as maybe a customer acquisition tool for some of your counterparties. I'm just wondering, with respect to that, is it, you know, is it at the point now where it affects volumes overall and fee structures and margins overall? If so, how does the impact of the BNPL product impact those metrics?
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah, sure, John. I think, you know, just to take a step back, I think, you know, just to reiterate, what we think is this long-term strategy here is the multiproduct. There's real benefits there that our partners are fully realizing now in terms of how these products can complement each other, right? They don't cannibalize, they actually complement each other, and they provide choice to both our partner and their customers, and I think that's really important. In some partners, this may be a customer acquisition tool, right? Where we bring them in on a Buy Now, Pay Later product, and then we upgrade them over time into a revolving product and a dual card. When we look at the lifetime value of that customer, we can make that work. We can make the economics work.
I think that's kind of the power of this model, is that you can make this more attractive to both us and our partners from an economic standpoint. You know, one of the things that we've talked about is we've seen a little bit of a shift in that, you know, through the pandemic, you saw partners, you know, engaging in Buy Now, Pay Later. They need to drive sales. They want to bring in new traffic, new customers. They took a little bit of a step back in a higher interest rate environment. A lot of these products are actually really expensive, and maybe there's a different model here. That's really the model that we're employing, which is, you know, for some customers and some purchases, an installment loan makes sense.
For some purchases, a revolving product makes more sense. It really is partner by partner in terms of the strategy that we're employing. The good news is that we can customize that completely for the partner, given the economic sharing and the arrangements that we have with them. We can really make this work in a number of different ways and customize it in a way that is economically attractive for the partner, but also helps us balance the risk and the return.
John Hecht (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Okay, that's very helpful color. Thanks. Brian Wenzel, I think you touched on this, so I apologize for any redundancy, but maybe quick color on the seasonality of Q3 and Q4 NIM. Anything to consider there?
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
... Yeah. Thanks, John, for the question. I think as you think about net interest margin, again, some of the liquidity is deployed as we begin to build assets going into the back half of the year, plus some of the tailwinds relative to some of the benchmark rate increases. You should see that net interest margin tick up a little bit in the third quarter, and then kind of flatten out, you know, in the fourth. But again, I think short term, you think you'll see a little bit of benefit from where we exit out of 2Q.
John Hecht (Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
That's perfect. Thanks, guys.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thanks, John.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We have time for one more question from Dominick Gabriele at Oppenheimer.
Dominick Gabriele (Analyst)
Hey, great. Thanks so much for taking my question. I was just curious about the debt collection fees. They seem to be going up a little bit, and I was wondering if there's anything we should read into within that line, not just for Synchrony, but for the general industry, when we think about Net Charge-Offs moving forward? I just have a follow up, thanks.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Yeah. When I think about that product, I wouldn't. Well, first of all, I'm not sure I can comment for the industry. I think when we look at it, what this represents, we primarily originate this through digital channels. I see as we have pushed more into digital channels, you see a little bit more sign-up as people have the ability to really understand the product, its terms and conditions, and sign up for it, number 1. 2, I think as you see average balances increasing, you then get a rate impact on the higher balance that's being protected.
Again, a product that we feel good about the benefits that we offer to our consumers, and we do it in a way that's transparent through the digital channels, which obviously we've pushed into in the last couple of years, a little bit more heavily.
Dominick Gabriele (Analyst)
Great. Thank you. If we just talk about expenses a little bit, you know, the incremental expenses between the guidance numbers, could you just talk about where you're kind of putting on the gas pedal? Is it marketing? Is it a customer acquisition, or is it tech advancement? How do we think about the incremental spend that drove the increase in run rate of expenses? Thank you so much.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Yeah. thanks for the question. I think when you think about where we're putting on expenses, first, it's going to be in some of the employee costs as we look to people to drive some strategic initiatives inside our health and wellness platform and inside, really our marketplace and some of the places where we're engaging with the consumer and products. Some of that requires, you know, headcount in order to drive some of the technology that's in there. There clearly is a technology component that leans in there as we have contractors who are building capabilities that really enhance our customer's experience.
Then you are seeing a little bit on the marketing line as we continue to lean into some of the direct-to-consumer you know, businesses inside of health and wellness, as we try to promote the product to really drive the experience and manage, you know, what is a very difficult healthcare environment for folks as more costs are shifting towards them. It's really across those three levers: employee costs, as well as technology and marketing. You will see that again, that normalization of operational losses as we move forward. We've got a very disciplined approach on that. We make sure that we're getting the right return on those investments. You're seeing that come through in the top-line growth. You're seeing the net effect of that operating leverage and the efficiency ratio, as I mentioned earlier.
Dominick Gabriele (Analyst)
Perfect. Thank you.
Brian Wenzel (Executive VP and CFO)
Thank you.
Brian Doubles (President and CEO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
This concludes Synchrony's Earnings Conference Call. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you so much.