Union Pacific - Q2 2024
July 25, 2024
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Operator (participant)
Greetings, and welcome to the Union Pacific Second Quarter Earnings Call. This time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone this morning should require operator assistance during today's conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and the files for today's presentation are available on Union Pacific's website. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Jim Vena, Chief Executive Officer for Union Pacific. Thank you, Mr. Vena. You may now begin.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Thanks, Rob, and good morning, and nice to come to you all from a beautiful morning here in Omaha. Thanks for joining us today to discuss Union Pacific's second quarter results. I'm joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Jennifer Hamann, our Executive Vice President of Marketing and Sales, Kenny Rocker, and our Executive Vice President of Operations, Eric Gehringer. As we dive into the discussion of the second quarter, you'll hear that operating outdoors these past few months has not been easy, but I'm pleased with how we managed those challenges to drive strong financial results. It provides another proof point that our strategy is the right one to drive success. Now let's discuss second quarter results, starting on slide three.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
This morning, Union Pacific reported 2024 second quarter net income of $1.7 billion, or $2.74 per share. This compares to 2023 second quarter net income of $1.6 billion, or $2.57 per share. Second quarter operating revenue was up 1% as solid core pricing gains and slightly increased volume were reduced by a negative business mix and lower fuel surcharge revenue. If you're normalizing for the yearly change in fuel, freight revenue was up 2% versus 2023. Reported expenses year-over-year were down 4%. This is very impressive work by the team to offset the high inflationary pressure we've experienced in a flattish volume environment, even when you adjust for one-time items and fuel.
Our second quarter operating ratio of 60.0 improved 300 basis points versus last year, and despite some challenges, we still showed sequential improvement. Overall, this quarter was another solid step toward our goal of leading the industry in safety, service, and operational excellence. I'll let the team walk you through the quarter in more detail and then come back for a wrap-up before we go to Q&A. So we'll start with Jennifer and the second quarter financials. Jennifer?
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on slide five with a walkdown of our second quarter income statement, where operating revenue of $6 billion increased 1% versus last year on slightly positive volume. As Kenny will highlight, this strong top-line performance was supported by solid pricing gains and business wins against the backdrop of weak coal demand. Second quarter freight revenue totaled $5.6 billion, a 1% gain. Digging into the revenue components, strong core pricing gains, partially offset by an unfavorable business mix, added 150 basis points to freight revenue. Double-digit growth in international intermodal volume was the primary contributor to the negative mix dynamic and further compounded by an overall decline in our higher average revenue per car industrial business. Slightly positive volumes in the quarter added 50 basis points to freight revenue.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Lastly, fuel surcharge revenue of $669 million declined 5%, as lower fuel prices impacted freight revenue 75 basis points. Excluding fuel surcharge, freight revenue grew 2% as the team continues to pace revenue growth faster than volume. Wrapping up the top line, other revenue declined 6% as a result of lower intermodal accessorials and less demand for auto parts shipments at our Loup subsidiary. Switching to expenses, second quarter operating expense of $3.6 billion decreased $152 million versus 2023 as we drove productivity across most cost categories. We have more details in the appendix, but let me highlight some of the performance drivers. Compensation and benefits expense declined 6% versus last year as we reduced headcount 5% and generated positive productivity.
Although our training pipeline is significantly reduced compared to 2023, train service employees increased 1% as we continue to carry more train service employees as a buffer for our operations and to offset the impact of new labor agreements. The remainder of the workforce decreased 9% as we continue to focus on delayering and pushing work down in the organization. As you'll recall, last year's expenses included a $67 million one-time ratification payment. Following up on an item we highlighted at our first quarter report, last month, we completed the transfer of around 350 mechanical employees to Metra in Chicago. Going forward, this transfer will lower both other revenue and our expenses by roughly $15 million a quarter.
Excluding last year's one-time labor payment, cost per employee in the second quarter increased 4% as we continue to drive for better overall efficiency. Fuel expense in the quarter declined 6% on a 5% decrease in fuel prices from $2.86 per gallon to $2.73 per gallon. We overcame a challenging operating environment and less fuel-efficient freight mix to improve our fuel consumption rate 1%, largely by locomotive productivity. Equipment and other rents declined 12%, reflecting improved cycle times and lower lease expense, partially offset by business mix. Finally, other expense decreased 4% as we recorded a couple one-time items in the quarter. On the positive side, we added a $46 million gain from an intermodal equipment sale. Conversely, we recognized $23 million of additional environmental expense at a legacy California remediation site....
Second quarter operating income of $2.4 billion increased 9% versus last year. Below the line, other income increased 11% as a result of interest received on tax refund claims, while interest expense declined 6% on lower average debt levels. Second quarter net income of $1.7 billion and earnings per share of $2.74, both improved 7% versus 2023. Our quarterly operating ratio of 60% improved 300 basis points year-over-year. As I just discussed, there were several puts and takes in the quarter. Key here is that our core operations drove 160 basis points of OR improvement and $0.21 of EPS growth year-over-year. This is a great continuation of the momentum we've created these past three quarters.
Turning to shareholder returns in the balance sheet on slide six, second quarter cash from operations totaled $4 billion, up $175 million versus last year. Growth in operating income and 2023 labor agreement payments, partially offset by higher income tax payments, resulted in the increase in cash from operations and our free cash flow improvement of 43% to $853 million. As stated back in April, we restarted share repurchases late in the second quarter. Although we plan to ramp up repurchases through the year, we started slowly with just over $100 million repurchased in June. Combined with our dividend payments, we've returned $1.7 billion to shareholders year to date.
Finally, our adjusted debt-to-EBITDA ratio finished the quarter at 2.8 times, and we continue to be A-rated by our three credit rating agencies. Wrapping up on slide 7, as we've reached the midway point of 2024, there remains some uncertainty about the second half recovery that many were forecasting. As Kenny will detail, there are definitely markets where we're seeing growth, and much of that growth is being driven by our business development efforts. There also are some challenge markets, particularly coal. Operationally, the team is making great progress towards our long-term goals to be the best in safety, service, and operational excellence. This is reflected in the progress in our safety and performance metrics, including our margins. Importantly, we believe the trend is indicative of where we can get to long term, and each successive quarter is a step on our way to winning.
We are highly confident in our ability to generate price dollars in excess of inflation dollars and still expect freight revenue to pace ahead of volume in 2024. We also remain committed to our long-term capital allocation strategy. This includes last week's announcement of a 3% increase in our dividend as we drive higher returns to our owners. This increase represents the 18th year in a row of annual dividend increases. With share repurchases, we expect to repurchase around $1.5 billion in 2024 as we maintain our current leverage. Before I turn it over to Kenny, I'd summarize our second quarter financial performance as strong and our confidence in the future, stronger, as we continue to unlock the potential of our great franchise.
We're excited to execute on our strategy in the second half and lay out more of our long-term thoughts at our Investor Day in September. Kenny?
Kenny Rocker (EVP of Marketing and Sales)
Thank you, Jennifer, and good morning. As Jennifer mentioned, we had a solid second quarter, especially if you put aside the lower volume from coal. Freight revenues totaled $5.6 billion for the quarter, which was up 2%, excluding fuel surcharges, due to strong core pricing and a slight increase in volume. Let's jump right in and talk about the key drivers in each of our business groups. Starting with our Bulk segment, revenue for the quarter was down 2% compared to last year on a 5% decrease in volume and a 3% increase in average revenue per car, driven by solid core pricing gains and a positive mix in traffic. However, if you exclude coal, Bulk revenue for the quarter was up 4% year-over-year, and volume grew by 6%.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Coal volume was down 23% in the quarter due to ongoing secular decline of the market, along with continued challenges from lower natural gas prices and higher inventory levels. Fertilizer volumes increased for the quarter due to strong export demand for Canpotex potash and easier comps from a 2023 customer outage. In addition, Grain Products business was favorable due to increased demand for renewable diesel, strong demand for ethanol, and new business wins. Moving to Industrial, revenue was up 2% for the quarter on a 3% decrease in volume and a 5% increase in average revenue per car. Strong core pricing gains and a positive mix in traffic were partially offset by lower fuel surcharges. Our strong business development efforts in petroleum allowed us to capitalize on opportunities.
Petrochemicals volume continued to grow due to improved domestic demand in plastics and strong business development wins in our industrial chemicals markets from customers located along the Gulf Coast. However, challenges with high inventories and rainy weather in the South negatively impacted our rock volume. Premium revenue for the quarter was up 4% on a 6% increase in volume and a 2% decrease in average revenue per car, reflecting negative mix, lower fuel surcharges, and truck market pressure. Automotive volumes were positive due to business development wins with both Volkswagen and General Motors, but offset by unplanned decreases in production impacting auto parts shipments. Intermodal volumes continue to remain strong due to West Coast import demand and positive domestic growth despite market conditions, especially within our parcel segment....
Now, turning to slide 10, here's our outlook for the balance of 2024 for the key markets we serve. Starting with Bulk, coal is expected to remain challenged as inventories remain high and natural gas futures stay at levels that make coal less competitive. For grain, as we sit here today, the markets look stable and healthy, although global export sales are off to a slow start. Crop conditions look good, and we'll have a better read over the next several weeks. In addition, we expect Grain Products to remain positive as we see incremental renewable diesel production coming online in California and continue to capture new business. Turning to Industrial, our outlook remains the same as we laid out during our last earnings call. We expect our rock market will not match last year's record volume.
However, both petroleum and petrochemical markets will remain favorable due to our focus on business development, supported by our investments in the Gulf Coast. And wrapping up with Premium, on the intermodal side, we expect to see continued strength for imports in the near term. And while we have seen imports drive pockets of increased demand, on the domestic side, the overall market remains soft. But our improved service product, along with our diversified set of private asset owners and IMCs, provide Union Pacific more at-bats when opportunities present themselves. And for automotive, we're still expecting year-over-year growth due to business development wins, despite some softening in the market. In summary, I'm proud of the commercial team and their focus to fill the volume gap we're seeing from coal.
On the price side, we're achieving solid price results to overcome inflation and delivering the consistent and efficient service that we sold to our customers. As we head into the second half of the year, I am confident that our great franchise, along with the diverse product offerings we provide, gives our customers the ability to compete and win in the marketplace. Our commercial leaders are actively working with customers and the operating team to convert more over-the-road business to rail that allows us both to win and grow. And with that, I'll turn it over to Eric to review our operational performance.
Eric Gehringer (EVP of Operations)
Thank you, Kenny, and good morning. Moving to slide 12. As you heard from Jim, Mother Nature delivered many powerful weather events throughout the quarter as we experienced impactful flooding across both our northern and southern regions. But we're not here to make excuses. Leveraging our intense focus on operational excellence and detailed contingency plans, the team quickly acted to mitigate the impact by adjusting trip plans and deploying temporary buffer resources to safely restore operations. I'm very proud of our frontline employees, who worked tirelessly to repair our infrastructure to minimize the customer impact. There are countless examples highlighting their efforts as they repaired miles of damaged track, restored bridges, and cleared countless trees and debris. That being said, versus 2023, service levels and network performance for the second quarter remained strong, demonstrating our recoverability in the wake of major weather disruptions.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Starting with our foundation of safety, we continue to drive improvements, building on the momentum of the first quarter. For the second quarter, both derailment and personal injury rates improved year-over-year. While I am proud of the team for making this progress, we will not rest until every employee goes home safe to their loved ones every day. Freight car velocity was flat in the second quarter compared to 2023, as improvements in terminal dwell were offset by weather-impacted train speeds. The opportunity here is to drive even stronger terminal dwell performance by removing unnecessary car touches across the network. On the service front, intermodal SPI improved 4 points as manifest and auto SPI remained flat. Although we worked hard to minimize impact on weather on our service product, we know customers felt the impact, particularly those located in the affected areas.
Now let's review our key efficiency metrics on slide 13. The team remains highly focused on cost control, leveraging technology and other investments to drive productivity throughout our operation. As I mentioned last quarter, it is imperative to our strategy as it enables Kenny and the team to compete in the marketplace. Similar to the first quarter, we saw year-over-year improvements across all of our metrics. Locomotive productivity improved 6% compared to second quarter 2023, driven by improved network fluidity and asset utilization. Throughout the year, we have been able to efficiently flex our locomotive fleet with units readily available to adjust to varying volume levels. Workforce productivity, which does include all employees, improved 5% versus 2023. While overall employee levels decreased, our active train engine and yard employees increased as we implement new labor agreements.
Train length improved 2% compared to second quarter 2023, and 3% sequentially due to increased intermodal volume, combined with the usage of safety technologies like Precision Train Builder. In fact, our second quarter result was a quarterly record, and June marked the first month ever with train length over 9,600 feet. This is a remarkable achievement by the team as they continue to generate mainline capacity for future growth. Wrapping up, it's important to note, as we continue to implement new technology throughout our operation, we are also building new processes. These processes, powered by automation and real-time analytics, open new capabilities for Union Pacific and our customers. I'm looking forward to sharing such examples at our Investor Day in September. So with that, I'll turn it back to Jim.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Thank you, Eric. Turn to slide 15. Before we get to your questions, I'd like to quickly summarize what you've heard from our team. First, as you heard from Jennifer, despite a challenging environment, we achieved strong financial results in the quarter. We continue to drive efficiency into the network, and the commercial team has done a good job generating price for the value we provide our customers. Kenny provided you with an overview of the second quarter volumes and laid out some updated thoughts for the remainder of the year. I think it's worth stating that when you remove coal, our total volume was up 3% in the second quarter. This demonstrates that even in a tough freight environment, we are winning with our customers to bring new business to the railroad. Lastly, Eric walked you through the progress we're making across safety, service, and operational excellence.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
In the first half of the year, our safety metrics improved, but we still have a way to go. Our service was challenged in the quarter, but I'm pleased with our ability to recover, and we're continuing to do things more efficiently, making good improvements in operational excellence. Look, the quarter presented its challenges, but I'm very pleased with the results we achieved. From the beginning, I said improvement wasn't going to be a straight line. There are just too many variables when you operate an outdoor factory. But I expect the trend line will be in the right direction, and we demonstrated that again this quarter. Over the past 12 months, we've put this company on the right path to redefining what's possible for Union Pacific, a theme we'll build on at our Investor Day in mid-September. With that, now we're ready to take your questions, Rob.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad, and a confirmation tone to indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants that are using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Due to the number of analysts joining us on the call today, we'll be limiting everyone to one question to accommodate as many as possible. Thank you. The first question today is from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Morning, Brandon.
Brandon Oglenski (Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Hey, good morning. Good morning, and, thanks for taking the question. So, Jim, if I recall, it was almost a year ago that you got appointed CEO, and I think you said publicly, like, "Give me a year, then let's look back and, you know, judge how things went." I think you just clearly articulated the coal headwinds in the quarter. But I guess, how would you, you know, look at the past year in terms of operational improvement, network performance, and then maybe most importantly, customer growth, which I think you were alluding to?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, Brandon, I appreciate the question, and you're right on. I think they announced me last year on the 26th. We agreed that I was gonna join this company and the announcement came up. So guess what? It's a year. Now, I actually didn't start work till the 14th of August, but that's okay. A couple of weeks doesn't make a difference. Bottom line is, if I look at the quarter, Brandon, I'm very, very, very happy with how we've progressed on this railroad.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
If you start above the line, and Kenny and the entire team have done a great job of, we knew we had an inflation-inflationary pressures with the, the contracts that were signed, and we knew that we had to do something above the line, and I think we've done a great job, and you can see that where, where the revenue comes in against our volume growth. And we continue, and we will continue to see that as we go through the year. So I'm very comfortable with that. Business development, we have been, we have been, I have personally spent a lot of time, Kenny and the entire team spends a lot of time, and the entire leadership group, with customers looking for opportunity.
We've spent capital and developed new facilities and expanded facilities across our network to be able to handle more business. But the best part about it is our service level is to the point where the first discussion isn't, Are you providing the service that we agreed to? It's more of, How do we work together to move ahead? Operationally, below the line, very comfortable. To be able to present today the numbers that we are on car velocity, dwell, locomotive, and things that you all don't see, how fast our crew changes are, how well we're able to, and the number of people it takes to operate the terminals. We see those numbers every day, and I'm very comfortable of where we are.
I'm also very happy that we continue to improve our operating ratio, and I don't see that stopping. We'll have. I never give a number for operating ratio because it's a result of everything you do. But to have 160 basis point improvement this last quarter, year-over-year operating ratio and sequentially a small, is a greater testament with what we can do with everything that we were impacted with this customer. We are not a team that makes excuses. You won't hear us complain about coal. We just say that coal is a problem. But to be able to, when we had 20%+ drop in our coal volume, to actually increase, goes to show you the strength of our network.
We're gonna leverage what we're doing in Mexico with our 26% ownership of FXE, and we think that's gonna lead to more growth as we move ahead, and we're gonna leverage this network we have. So Brandon, I'm in a real good place. So hopefully, hopefully, you guys aren't the toughest markers in the world, because sometimes some of you are. But overall, I'm very happy with where we are today, and I look forward to how this next few years while I'm leading this company and show everybody what we can do.
Brandon Oglenski (Director and Senior Equity Analyst)
Appreciate the answer, Jim. Thanks.
Jim Vena (CEO)
You're welcome, Brandon.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Morning, Scott.
Scott Group (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
Hey, thanks. Good morning. So I know, Jennifer, mix can swing on you positive, negative. Any thoughts on mix?
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Based on your volume outlook in the back half of the year. And then I just want the bigger picture, right? You know, even if I adjust for mix, you know, the yield growth is still relatively muted in the context of higher inflation. And so I know I've asked this before. I keep asking because I just think it's so critical, like, when do you guys think we truly get back to inflation plus pricing? And I know—I don't mean like dollars versus dollars. I mean like margin accretive inflation plus pricing, because I think that's sort of like the, you know, in my opinion, the key to like, having confidence in, like, sustained margin improvement. So, I don't know. Any thoughts? Thank you.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Well, so a couple of things there, Scott. On the mix side of things, as we look ahead, you know, a lot of the drivers that were present in our volumes here in the second quarter are going to be present at least into the third quarter. You know, international intermodal is staying strong, you know, coal is weaker. The Industrial portion of our portfolio, while we've got great business development opportunities, there's just a little softness there. And so if you assume that that dynamic continues, that's going to continue to have an impact on our mix, probably to the negative side.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
So, I mean, you guys get our volumes every week, you'll be able to see that and gauge that, but that's kind of our going in expectation as we look at what's ahead of us, particularly into the third quarter, and we'll see how some of those intermodal trends move into 4Q. In terms of the question relative to price and price accretion, you know, the team is doing, I think, a very good job of driving price in the areas where they can touch it and actively work with the customers. Jim mentioned the service aspect of it. That's critical when you're sitting in front of customers and driving the price. And so the thing that I'm very encouraged by is we know we'll get to that point.
I'm not going to give you a date by which we'll get to that point, but what's encouraging is without that, we're still driving very solid margin improvement and looking for more going ahead. So that's what I would focus on. And as we continue to get more access to contracts, that's just going to give us more upside and more ability going forward.
Operator (participant)
Thanks for the question, Scott. Thank you. Our next question is in the line of Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.
Jason Seidl (Managing Director)
Thank you, operator. Jim and team, good morning. Nice to see you guys recover from some of the weather in the quarter. You know, I want to focus in a little bit on something, Kenny, that you say. You mentioned there was some weakness on your rock business. You know, we've been hearing some of the infrastructure projects that were planned are sort of really not getting off the ground. Is that part of the weakness that's behind that, or what are you looking at in the marketplace?
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Yeah, Jason, you're right on. We've seen some LNG products down in the Gulf that have been delayed or slow roll, and a lot of it also is just overall demand, and we haven't had the best weather. Haven't seen that in that second quarter. So yes, it is, it is. I will tell you this, though, Jason, Eric's team is doing everything they can to capture the volume that is out there. We're looking at adding every car to every train that we can to, to maximize efficiency. So as the opportunities are there, we're taking advantage of it.
Jason Seidl (Managing Director)
That makes sense. And, Kenny, on the delayed projects, is there any expectation for these things to sort of be lifted as we look into 2025, or is this sort of a wait and see?
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
I think it's wait and see. It's hard for us to go out and forecast what a lot of the customers will do and how the contractors will play out. You know, our best bet is just to be prepared, which we are.
Jason Seidl (Managing Director)
Sounds good. Appreciate the time.
Operator (participant)
Thanks for the question. Our next question comes from the line of John Chappell with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Thank you. Good morning. Jim, do we get to a point in your new tenure here where some of these productivity improvements that you've made start to hit a ceiling without volume? And clearly, what you've been able to do on locomotives and workforce in a flat volume environment, and of course, we understand what's happening with coal, is pretty impressive. But do you hit the ceiling without a volume tailwind at some point?
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
No. No, I don't see that. I think we've shown that we can improve, and I see more improvement even with a flat. I don't expect us to have our volume be flat, though. That's not the way we're working at this. Everything that we've done is to increase our volume against some pretty big negatives that are, that are structural, that we can't control. So is it easier when you have increase in volume? Yes. You know, you add another 5 cars on an intermodal train or a manifest train, makes it a lot easier. But the technology that we're implementing, the speed that we're going to be able to change our plan and what we're doing moving forward, will help us to be able to, even on a flat volume, be able to improve our efficiency.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
So I'm very comfortable with, as we move ahead, there'll be more even on a flat.
Scott Group (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
Great. Thanks, Jim.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Stephanie Moore (SVP of Equity Research)
Hi, good morning. Thank you.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Good morning.
Stephanie Moore (SVP of Equity Research)
You know, good morning. Continuing on the prior question, really nice margin and margin performance for the first half of the year. Can you talk a little bit, just based on maybe some of the mix headwinds and the cost initiatives and a lot of the kind of puts and takes here, what that should mean in terms of kind of normal seasonality for margins and OR as the year progresses? Thank you.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Stephanie, listen, I just sort of answered overall on the high level what I see, but I'm going to pass this off to Kenny. Kenny, you talk about margin, how we're looking at pricing, how we move ahead.
Stephanie Moore (SVP of Equity Research)
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, thanks for that, Jim. So first of all, and you all have heard me say this before, when you look at our approach to revenue growth, it's volume growth through business development, but it's also our pricing approach. And our commercial team has been very clear to articulate some of the inflationary pressures that are out there. But more importantly, the team has taken risk. And so we are doing, as these contracts are coming up, everything we can do to maximize price or margin expansion. And so at every turn, at every contract, those are some, with our service improvement, Eric, those are some really good opportunities for us to maximize our price. So we're doing everything we can do there.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
I guess just a follow-up, really, nothing from a seasonality standpoint to really call out as we think about performance as the year progresses?
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Yeah, I mean, when you think about seasonality, I'll jump in here, you know, it really has a lot to do with volumes. And if you look at our volume performance, generally speaking, the quarters where we have the strongest volume growth, that's where you tend to get your greatest margin improvement. It goes back to Jim's comments on productivity and that volume leverage piece. That said, we've shown really good sequential improvement in our margins and have kind of broke that trend as we've really come in and put a big focus on how we can drive greater productivity across the network over the last three quarters. And quite frankly, you know, I think that's something that, that maybe is a little bit underappreciated in terms of how hard it has been for the team to, to achieve that.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Looking forward, it really is going to be about the volumes and the continued emphasis on the productivity and the price. It's those are our three levers. And so as you're thinking sequentially, I'd be comparing volume sequentially and see how that progresses. That's gonna really be the determinant.
Stephanie Moore (SVP of Equity Research)
Thanks, Stephanie.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from the line of Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Morning, Brian.
Brian Ossenbeck (Managing Director and Senior Analyst of Transportation)
Hey, good morning, team. Thanks for taking the question. Yeah, maybe a couple for Kenny. Can you just talk about the international intermodals? I know it's been quite strong. There's been some expectation for that to spill over into domestic. Do you have any thoughts on when that might happen and whether that's good, bad, or indifferent for UP? And then secondly, I don't know who would want to take this, but just as we get to the Investor Day in a couple of months, you talk about redefining what's possible. Maybe help level set expectations, what we're gonna hear from you all on the team. Will we see, you know, multi-year growth strategy, again, underpinned by some of the end markets? Will you talk about truckload conversion and quantify that?
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Maybe just help give us some expectations on what to think about in a couple of months when we see you all in Dallas.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Yeah, let me take this first one on international intermodal. So first of all, yes, we've seen some very strong growth on the international intermodal side. And yes, we have seen some of that spill over on the domestic intermodal side. And I wanna touch on the fact that, you know, our product development, meaning the investment that we've made, efficient investment in places like Inland Empire, are helping us to grow. Here recently, even though it's a short term phenomenon because of the labor issues up in Canada, we're not gonna just, you know, take that volume in the short term. We're doing everything we can to get it permanently. We want a piece of business into our Twin Cities inland intermodal terminal, and that's the way we can take advantage again, of the product development that's out there.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
So that's the international intermodal. I talked a little bit about the fact that, yeah, we are seeing quite a bit that's being transloaded, that's showing up on the domestic side, and our products are helping us grow. In fact, when we look at our domestic business, you know, year-over-year in the quarter, it was up, and we feel pretty good about where it started off here in this quarter. So that's some, you know, some real specific feedback for you.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Okay, and then in terms of your question about the Investor Day and, and you know, what's possible, that really is going to be how we're going to frame things, and, and that's certainly been Jim's challenge to the team since, since he came here a little over a year ago, is don't look back at what you've done historically. Don't look back and see what you think is the best ever. Look forward and, and see what you really do think we can achieve together with this great franchise that we have. So, I don't wanna front-run things too much with you, Brian. We wanna make sure folks tune in in September, but, we're excited about the message and, and the opportunity to speak to everybody and share some of our plans.
Brian Ossenbeck (Managing Director and Senior Analyst of Transportation)
Okay, understood. Thank you.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Thanks, Brian.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from the line of Ken Hoexter with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Morning, Ken.
Ken Hoexter (Managing Director)
Good morning. Service, you know, was challenged by the weather in the quarter. You're, you're showing an ability to recover. Jim, you, you just noted we should continue to see operating ratio improvement going forward. Should we see that in an improved car velocity going forward now, you don't have storms? And being the cost benefit, then I guess I'll ask kind of Stephanie's question a little differently: given the hazy economic outlook, can operating ratio improve sequentially?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Well, Ken, you know, the people always want me to start talking about where I think the endpoint is on this, and I think we continue to improve. We're gonna have quarters that are better than other quarters, but operationally, you should always look at. We give a lot of metrics out there, and if you take a look at the metrics, car velocity is real important, dwell time is real important, and then, of course, there's about 100 others that I look at internally that tell me how we're operating and where we need to focus and how we need to do this. So that's one piece, and we are aligned. We've got a great team. They know what the end goal is. So I see us optimizing the railroad and continue to get better at how we operate.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
... But what really helps operating ratio and margins is revenue growth, and we are pushing hard on that piece by both bringing in volume at the right price and also pricing because of inflation and everything we've had. So when you put those two things together, you know, we might have some quarters where sequentially it doesn't improve as much as people would like, 'cause it's never a straight line, but I'm very comfortable. I didn't come back to work. You know, I look at it as I had a sabbatical for a couple of years away from Union Pacific, came on, did what we had to do operationally. I'm back here to drive this place to where is what I see as possible, and I'm very comfortable.
After the first year, I'm even more comfortable than I was on August fourteenth when I walked back in the front door. So, Ken, it's take a look at those metrics, but take a look at what's happening in our volume and translate that on what we did in the second quarter on revenue against where we were with our carload growth. So hopefully, that gives you a better framing of, of the way I look at it, Ken.
Ken Hoexter (Managing Director)
Thanks, Jim.
Jim Vena (CEO)
You're welcome.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is in the line of Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Tom Wadewitz (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Yeah, good morning. So,
Jim Vena (CEO)
Good morning.
Tom Wadewitz (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Wanted to ask, just on kind of—you know, I think you talked about some weakness in Industrial. How do you think about your markets overall, if you say Industrial and consumer, are things getting kind of, you know, a little bit stronger or a little bit weaker in those two segments? And then, you know, maybe one more for, probably for Kenny as well. You mentioned a lot of times, business development and new customer wins, which is great. Wondered if you could kind of put to—give, give us a couple of buckets to think about where the opportunity for new business wins is the most significant, right? Are there some Industrial segments, or which customer segments give you the most, opportunity in the future for those, customer wins to matter? Thank you.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah. Thank you, Tom. So you've got a few macroeconomic indicators, like industrial production, not strong. Housing starts aren't helping us either, and then, you know, where natural gas prices are. So we don't get to roll over and play dead because coal is not where it needs to be. The commercial team is out there hustling and getting more business. Let me talk about some of the areas that I feel good about from a business development perspective. Renewable diesel, I'll start with that. That's an emerging market. I've been really excited that the team has been out there, growing origin point and destination points. It allows us to pitch and catch. On the petrochemical side, in the Gulf, we talked about the investments there and the wins that we've been able to get in that petrochemicals market.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
And then on the Premium side, I'll talk about it from a couple angles. One is Mexico will continue to be a market over the near term and long term, and you've seen that Eric's side has put up some really good products up against it as we talk about that North-South corridor, getting into the Midwest and products in terms of getting into the Southeast. And then, boy, quite a few new products coming out of the Houston, going into Phoenix, setting up our ramp and expanding in different areas. So, in some cases, we have to create our own markets to make the pie larger, and that's exactly what you're seeing.
Tom Wadewitz (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
When, when you say the Premium side, you mean Premium inter—like, domestic intermodal products, or how do you mean that?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Both. Both domestic and our international intermodal.
Tom Wadewitz (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay. Just back on the kind of economy question, do you think it's getting, like, stronger or weaker, or is that hard to say?
Jim Vena (CEO)
You know, it's still very unclear for us. I'm not in a position to forecast where it is. All I'm telling you is that we're gonna go out and make our own markets where we can, and we're doing that through the product development that I mentioned and working with customers.
Tom Wadewitz (Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Okay, great. Thanks for the time.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Thanks, Tom.
Operator (participant)
The next question is from the line of Chris Wetherbee with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Morning, Chris.
Chris Wetherbee (Senior Analyst)
Hey, morning. Thanks for taking the question. You know, maybe, Kenny, coming back on the pricing side, I guess I'm just kind of curious, as you're seeing the market from a volume perspective, ex coal look a little bit more supportive here in 2024, operationally, things are moving well. As you're having these incremental contract renewals, is it reasonable to say that the rate of increase is beginning to maybe pick up a little bit? I guess I just was curious, kind of perspective, when you're thinking in the old days when we used to get sort of same-store sales type of numbers, how you think about that? So I'm just kind of curious if we are actually starting to see any uptick there.
Jim Vena (CEO)
You know, the short answer is yes. The long answer is that every contract is unique, every customer is unique, every discussion is unique. We're mixing that with what's happening on the service side. A stronger service product is helping us. We've always been very price disciplined as a company. What you're seeing is that now we're able to take a little bit more risks as we're talking to our customers because of the inflationary pressures that are out there.
Chris Wetherbee (Senior Analyst)
Okay. That's very helpful. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Thanks, Chris.
Operator (participant)
The next question is from the line of Walter Spracklin with RBC. Please proceed with your question.
Walter Spracklin (Canadian Equity Research Managment and Co-Head of Global Industrials Research)
Yeah, thanks very much, Aubrey. So Jim, you know-
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yep.
Walter Spracklin (Canadian Equity Research Managment and Co-Head of Global Industrials Research)
Good morning. You mentioned before your sabbatical there, you were able to achieve an operating ratio as low, I think in one quarter, it's 55.1%. And there's been a lot of talk about how this time is different. That might not be an achievable number. So not asking you a target, just rather asking you, are things different? Are there factors that are really limiting you that weren't there before, either cyclical, like volume, or structural, like the work rules? Just trying to get an apples-to-apples compare of what, you know, kind of what is the new 55.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Not asking you that, but more asking you, are there those factors, and are they meaningful enough to kind of put in a permanent impairment on that, on an objective or any, you know, comparing it to any prior level of operating ratio achievement?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, Walter, I like the question because that's exactly the way we need to look at it, is we know what we've done before, and I could go back to when I was at Canadian National and numbers that were delivered back in 2013-2016. So I know the game of how and the play and how you have to get there to be able to deliver. Is there some things that are structurally different? Yes. The collective agreements are an impact to our cost and will follow for a while with us. Now, we've done a great job of mitigating some of it, but it's pretty tough to mitigate it all. So that's a negative that's going to be with us for a while.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
So we'll probably carry a few more people than we normally would have if the railroad had not signed some of the last collective agreements. But I look at it this way, I see a clear picture as we move ahead, that we can mitigate a lot of that and have a railroad that's very efficient. We're gonna use the network we have to optimize our cost structure. We are implementing work patterns and how we operate that will help us. So that's—I don't think we'll be able to mitigate all of that, but you can also mitigate it by bringing more business on and also leveraging our access to Mexico, leveraging our access to customers. Kenny's a little reserved sometimes with Jennifer, but I'll tell you, we have a railroad that the opportunity is there.
When we have discussions, we don't talk about, oh, geez, you know, we have some problems with this. We look at, what are we gonna do? Phoenix, we opened it up because we think there's a market there, okay? Minneapolis, we opened it up. Brits Intermodal Terminal, we expanded. We spent money in the Gulf and working with customers that want to be with us. So we do both of those. I say, hang on, watch us go. This is not a short term. I said it the very first time I was on the call. This is not a short-term fix when you have that kind of inflationary pressure, but I'm very happy that this quarter we were able to deliver another 160 basis points of improvement in our OR with everything that we've done.
And, we're gonna have some good quarters, some bad quarters, but I'm telling you, in the long run, stay tuned, Walter. And listen, Walter, seeing as you're probably in Canada, I know there's a lot of people that I know from CN and others impacted with the fire in my hometown, and I wish everybody the best.
Walter Spracklin (Canadian Equity Research Managment and Co-Head of Global Industrials Research)
Yeah, appreciate it. Okay, thanks for the color, Jim.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is in the line of Ben Nolan with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Ben Nolan (Managing Director of Research)
Yeah, thanks. I was interested to see that the average train length, I think you'd said, was the highest that it's ever been. I was curious if, as you think about that going forward, maybe there were some puts and takes, like more international intermodal, I assume, is helpful to that, but maybe coal is detrimental. Do you think there's more room to go there? Can we continue to see the train lengths improve, and then obviously, that is beneficial to everything across the board, but OR in particular?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Well, let me, let me pass it over to Eric, and I can't give you the answer because Eric knows it's a, it's a different number than... But I've got a goal out there, but, Eric, it's all yours.
Eric Gehringer (EVP of Operations)
Ben, to be very clear, the answer to your question is, yes, we can continue to grow it. Now, let's make sure we're all on the same page. 2% improvement in the quarter, 3% sequential improvement. To your comment, best quarter we've ever had, and June was the highest month in the history of Union Pacific at 9,600 feet. And we want to give a lot of credit to our teams. That's hard work to do that. Now, when we have conversations about train length, we also got to remind ourselves that since 2019, our mainline derailments are down 42%, while our train length has been up 20%. That's because we continue to invest in technology and science, and that's really gonna be the continued foundation of how we keep building this out.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Yes, to your point, mix makes a difference, but what makes more of a difference is getting more volume on the railroad like we're seeing with intermodal. That's been a tailwind for us, but also using our Precision Train Builder software, as well as other things that continue to identify opportunities for us to do it. And then on a day-to-day, just fundamentally how we run the railroad, and we've talked about this before, we still see opportunities to combo trains largely on the Bulk side. So yes, there is more opportunity. The team's up against that. I'm looking forward to their continued gains.
Ben Nolan (Managing Director of Research)
All right, I appreciate it. Thank you.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Jordan Alliger with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Jordan Alliger (VP and Equity Research Analyst of Transportation and Logistics)
Hi, yeah, just a couple demand-related questions, follow-ups. I think in the first quarter, you'd mentioned the commodity outlook was muted. Now it's uncertain. So I guess first part of the question is, and some commodities have moved to the positive bucket, like international, intermodal, and grain. So I'm just sort of wondering, are you feeling better? Or even though it's uncertain, are you feeling better than you did a quarter ago? And then specifically on coal, obviously, there's been a lot of carload pressure, but can you give some sense as to the trajectory as we move through the back half of the year in terms of year-over-year pressures? Thanks.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, I'll start with coal first and then work my way back. And again, coal is a natural gas prices are all over the place. If you look at April, they were the lowest on record for a few years, and as we moved throughout the quarter, by June, they had bounced back up. It's very difficult to go out and forecast based on that. We talked about preparedness. We're talking with Eric's team daily to make sure we can capture the demand that's out there. I've been very encouraged that our commercial team is talking to each coal customer, each coal receiver, one by one, to see when they can add in sets. So we're doing everything we can to influence the demand there. So overall demand, let's just, you know, talk about a few things.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
One, on the international and export side, you know, that's been a crimp for us. I think that'll stay with us, at least for the quarter. I can't see out further than that. I talked about a little bit earlier, the positives we're seeing from that on the domestic side and the products that we have up against it to go out there and grow. Grain, you had a question about grain. You know, hey, look, the crop looks great right now as it stands today. The demand looks what I call stable. We'll see what happens on the export market, but while we are waiting for the export market, our commercial team is engaging those domestic, you know, receivers. And Mexico is also an area from a business development perspective that we want.
So we can't just wait around for some of these markets to help us out. We're doing something about it and making something happen. Automotive, same thing. We talked about the wins. What I hadn't talked about is that we've had some products where Eric has helped us out, where we've had land bridge opportunities. So again, very specific actions up against the service and the product to really help overcome some of these other, you know, macroeconomic challenges on the housing and Industrial side.
Operator (participant)
Okay, thank you.
Jordan Alliger (VP and Equity Research Analyst of Transportation and Logistics)
Thank you. Thanks for the question.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is in the line of Bascome Majors with Susquehanna. Please proceed with your question.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Morning, Bascome.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Good morning, Jim. Jim and Jennifer, you both talked about having to get past some of the inflationary pressures, and I know you mentioned contracts referring to the labor agreement. I know in the past, you know, this time last year, you were talking about some of the purchased services pressure as well. Can you help us understand kind of where you're tracking when you blend your sense of inflation and overall labor with both the contractual rates and some of the work rule adjustments and purchased services? Like, where is that today? How does that compare to last year? And what's the steady state as you look at two, three years to understand what we're really pricing against the marketplace today? Thank you.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Yeah, thanks for the question, Bascome. So, you know, coming into the year, we said that we thought our full year inflation would be around 5% or so. I think we're probably tracking pretty close to that. You know, we're seeing some wins in some of the purchased services categories, seeing, you know, a little bit greater acceptance in the marketplace, a few more people coming in to bid. So that's encouraging, and certainly that's an opportunity for us to get a little bit better pricing on that purchased services side of the world. Same with materials to, to a certain extent. Obviously, that plays more into our CapEx spend than it does the OE, but both are very important to us, right? We're looking to control costs at every turn.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
You know, comp and benefits certainly is a big piece of our expenses. That inflation, I would say, is still probably running around that 5% level, that we talked to coming into the year. I think, as you all know, we've got a 4.5% wage increase that became effective. It's the last one in this round of negotiations, became effective July 1 for our craft professionals. So, you know, I don't see a lot changing there. It's just some moving pieces and parts, and we're trying to find areas where we can try to mitigate that, either through our productivity, through our purchasing, and how we're just running the railroad in general.
And obviously, that's the task that we have up against Kenny and his team is, these are the inflationary pressures that we're facing. This is what's going into the cost structure, and we need to go out there, have those tough conversations, and the team is doing that, and I feel very confident about that.
You know, to that point, if we get into next year, it sounds like it's probably a safer expectation to think, you know, still closer to that 5% range than maybe the 2.5%-3% we saw for a long time.
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Yeah, I mean, it's too soon to say, Bascome, at this point, but boy, my hope is that we're talking about a number that's less than 5% next year. As we move in, you know, it seems like all of those indicators are moving in the right direction, but we'll look at that. I think to your point, though, when I look back historically, you know, we used to talk about an inflation rate that was around 2%. I don't think we're gonna get back to those levels, but certainly, we're gonna work to push it down below 5%.
Jim Vena (CEO)
The only thing I would add, Bascome, is there's a lot of indicators that tell us that there's a change what's happening in inflation, overall inflation, CPI, what's happening to the job market, and what's happening to the input costs for us. So those things are trending the right way, but how much of a drop we're gonna see next year, you know, we'll see, but I'd rather have that view than where we were a year ago.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
Thank you both.
John Chappell (Senior Managing Director)
Thanks for the question.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from the line of Ravi Shankar with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question, Ravi.
Christyne McGarvey (VP)
Hey, good morning. This is Christyne McGarvey on for Ravi. Thanks for the question. I wanted to circle back to the business development conversation and maybe ask the question in a slightly different way. Just curious if you guys have seen any notable changes in terms of the makeup of the pipeline or maybe even more particularly, customer behavior? Just as we think about pipeline conversion, is there anything out there with macro or political developments that's kind of leaving shippers with some decision paralysis that wears off in the coming months and that could, you know, start to see conversion accelerate? Would just be curious on that angle, how you guys are thinking about things.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, so, the pipeline is strong. It's a robust pipeline. We feel good about the pipeline, both near term and over the next couple of years. The conversion rates haven't changed. We keep an eye on that. I know where it is there. You know, what we saw here recently is the realization rates, meaning if a customer said, "Hey, it's gonna be 100 cars," it wasn't as high as 100 cars, and so you would expect as the markets improve, that realization rate to also go up. Again, we're looking at the same macroeconomic indicators. Hey, if housing starts start to move, you know what? That moves a lot of things. That's cement, that's PVC, that's roofing, that's the carpet that goes in there, that's glass, that's the soda ash.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
We play a role in all those products, and so we'll see where that happens. But the theme here is that, the markets are gonna do what the markets are gonna do. We are going out and creating our own markets, again, through product development and business development, and doing it as efficiently as possible as we can. Thanks for the question.
Christyne McGarvey (VP)
Appreciate it.
Operator (participant)
Our next question is from the line of Daniel Imbro with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Morning, Daniel.
Daniel Imbro (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Yep. Hey, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe one from a capital efficiency standpoint. So, Jim, how do you feel about the assets you guys have today? I think you all mentioned in the prepared remarks you could flex the fleet up and down. Utilization could probably always go up, but obviously, there's longer term savings. So how do you balance the need to refresh some of the fleet? How are you thinking about capital spending in this environment, just potentially ahead of more volume growth as we look forward from here?
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, I think we built our capital plan. We always build it from bottom up to see what we need to do, and we're very comfortable with the $3.4 billion that we have this year, and we don't see any substantial difference in our capital plan moving forward. Now, do we have the capability? You know, you heard us talk about buying back a billion and a half dollars of shares. You've heard us on the cash that we're producing. So if we need to, if there's something out there that really we need to spend money on, we'll do that. But as far as the railroad, the assets, the plant, that's fixed, we don't fool around with that.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
What we need to spend, we spend, and then also built into that $3.4 was development and what we can do to drive more business to our railroad. So I'm very comfortable. That's the way you should think about it. I don't see a big change as we move ahead. Jennifer, anything else you wanted to add?
Christyne McGarvey (VP)
Nope, you hit it just right.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Okay, thank you.
Daniel Imbro (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
And so share repurchases would be the expected use of excess free cash flow if cash flow came in stronger. Jim, is that the right way to interpret that comment?
Jennifer Hamann (CFO)
Yeah, I mean, so I'll jump in here. I mean, the priorities for our cash spending, we've been, I think, very clear on. First dollar goes back into the business, then we prioritize our dividend, which again, just you saw that we gave the 3% increase here last week, and then the excess cash is going to shares. So yeah, if we have, if you look historically at what we've put into our share purchase program, it's been greater than the $1.5 billion. Some of that's been using balance sheet capacity. We don't intend to add any leverage this year. We feel good about our leverage levels, but we're gonna try to drive more cash, and if that's available, we would put it to shares.
Daniel Imbro (Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Thanks so much. Best of luck.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, thanks for the question.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. Our last question is from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
David Vernon (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
Hey, guys, thanks for taking the question. So, Kenny, quick one for you on intermodal pricing for domestic. You know, obviously, the truck markets remain weak. I'm just wondering if sequentially you're seeing anything, you know, month to month of those rates sort of firming or, you know, how that direction looks into the back half of the year. And then bigger picture question for you, Jim, on, you know, the STB wanting to sort of convene a council to discuss railroad growth. I'd love to get your thoughts on kind of, you know, why you think the regulators, you know, pulling this thing together and maybe some early views of what you guys think you might have to say at that.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Yeah, David. Jim, I'll take this, the first one. So look, we've been 18 months now, a little bit over 18 months, where domestic intermodal pricing has either been going down or just staying at the bottom. And I'm not gonna sit here today and try to forecast when it's gonna move up. But I'm highlighting the 18 months because it's been quite a time here, and so we'll see what happens. Here's the key thing I want you to focus on, is that I mentioned here recently, we've been able to see some year-over-year growth on domestic intermodal.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
We've got a group of private asset providers that give us a lot of at bats, a lot of options, and we've been really, as a company, doubling down on our product development so that when things change, and they will change, but I'm not gonna forecast it, we'll be prepared.
Listen, I appreciate the question on the STB. I think we have the exact same goal as the STB on growth. We want to grow our business, and I think we've done, if you actually listen carefully to what we've said, we've been able to grow our business even with some markets that are giving us some huge headwinds, and that's a pretty good quarter. If you watch the carloads that we've so far this month, I'm pretty happy with where we're headed. We're gonna have up and down, but we are working hard on that. So I think it's a great hearing. I'm looking forward to it.
I can't make it personally because we are headed to Dallas, and I'm looking forward to those couple of days, and that sort of is right in between when we need to be in Dallas, just before it. But guess who's going? Kenny is going there. He's gonna represent us well, and I'm looking forward to presenting to everybody to see who Union Pacific is, what we're doing, and how we're gonna leverage this great franchise to be able to grow our business, even with all the challenges that we have. So I'm excited to hear what all the other railroads have to say, and I'm sure we're all in the same place. We all want to be price smart and also be able to move the products that are available to us.
So, I'm looking forward to the hearing. And, Kenny, I'm sure you're gonna represent us real well.
David Vernon (Managing Director and Senior Analyst)
I'm ready.
Jim Vena (CEO)
You betcha. Thank you very much for the question.
Operator (participant)
Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to Jim Vena for closing comments.
Jim Vena (CEO)
Well, listen, thanks, thanks, everybody, for listening in this morning. We are very excited with what we've been able to deliver as a team for our shareholders, for... And what we've been able to do, safety through the communities that we operate, for our employees. And we're very excited that we've been able to take the head-on challenges that were presented and be able to deliver a quarter that showed improvements, both underneath on how we operate and how we operate even safer, and the metrics that we're moving ahead. So I'm very comfortable where we are. I like our future. I think we got a great railroad, and I truly am looking forward to Dallas. I think it's a great spot to go and have our investor day.
Bascome Majors (Senior Equity Research Analyst of Industrials)
At the investor day, we'll take you through with a little more substance about what we foresee in the future over the next two or three years, and what we see in the next year that Union Pacific can deliver. I'm looking forward to seeing all of you that can make it in Dallas. A wonderful location, great spot for us, an important place for us. So thank you very much, everybody, for listening in.
Operator (participant)
This will conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
