Wabash National - Q4 2023
February 1, 2024
Transcript
Operator (participant)
Thanks for standing by, and welcome to the Wabash fourth quarter 2023 earnings call. I would now like to welcome Ryan Reed, VP of Investor Relations, to begin the call. Ryan, over to you.
Ryan Reed (VP of Investor Relations)
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on this call. With me today are Brent Yeagy, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Pettit, Chief Financial Officer. A couple items before we get started. First, please note this call is being recorded. I'd also like to point out that our earnings release, the slide presentation supplementing today's call, and any non-GAAP reconciliations are available at ir.onewabash.com. Please refer to slide two in our earnings deck for the company's Safe Harbor disclosure addressing forward-looking statements. I'll hand it off now to Brent.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Thanks, Ryan. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. 2023 has been a year in which we've substantially exceeded the financial performance in any year of the company's history. I'd like to congratulate the Wabash team on this significant achievement. Beyond our financial accomplishments, I'm even more excited about the strategic progress we have made during 2023, and how it positions us to generate even stronger performance going forward for our employees, our customers, and our other stakeholders.
In thinking about our strategic accomplishments in 2023, I'd like to emphasize the theme of connections, relationships, and networks. Our journey began with enhancing the core of our business through greater connection with our customers. The transformation to be a more customer-centric organization has been a pivotal change.
We created more points of connection with our customers with enhanced dry van capacity, greater focus on parts and services, as well as innovative offerings like Trailers as a Service, that allow Wabash to add recurring, longer-term value beyond our initial transaction. These advancements have not only deepened our customer engagement, but have also enriched our collaborations with supplier and technology partners.
By gaining a more profound understanding of our customer problems and their opportunities, we are more able to share valuable insights with our suppliers, our technology partners, and other parties that can contribute to customer success. The power of bringing our ecosystem together for our customers enhances our collective ability to elevate performance through the cycle. We have solidified specific partnerships with HDA and the Fernweh Group, which is enabling Wabash to grow our recurring revenue within the transportation, logistics, and distribution ecosystem.
Our Wabash Parts joint venture with HDA rapidly established significant distribution capabilities that allow our dealer network efficient access to our comprehensive portfolio of aftermarket parts. Fernweh Group is now playing a crucial role in advancing our digital capabilities, which aim to revolutionize the online experience for our dealers, traditional and nontraditional suppliers of both parts and services, and a broad set of customers spanning across the vast transportation and logistics landscape. We've also made a commitment to deepening our relationship with our employees.
We appreciate that strong employee engagement enables superior financial performance. Our focus is on cultivating a work environment and a culture that keeps respect for our employees front and center by empowering them to confidently bring their best selves to work, and an atmosphere that drives an openness for change and innovative spirit. This commitment to a high-performance culture is not just about achieving corporate goals.
It's about fostering a sense of unity and purpose, where every individual feels respected, valued, and part of something bigger. With every day that goes by, Wabash is enlarging its role as a visionary leader with the capability to address the opportunities with an increasingly complex transportation, logistics, and distribution ecosystem. Our strategy very much intends to harness our expanding ecosystem to create enhanced value for all engaged parties.
As we've contemplated the strategic positioning we've attained in most recent years, our emerging set of capabilities will continue to scale over time. To ensure we accelerate effectively, we have made the decision to shift our organization to enhance our focus on bringing our longer-term strategy plans to life. In December, Dustin Smith transitioned from Chief Strategy Officer to Chief Operating Officer, and Kristin Glazner to Chief Administrative Officer.
Dustin has been instrumental in our strategy refresh and will now lead our operations through this vital phase. His role will focus on the deployment of operational and manufacturing capabilities required to foster growth in our business. Kristin has led our legal and people support functions over the past few years.
As Chief Administrative Officer, she will ensure we possess the required capabilities and business processes to act on our business in a manner that drives respect for people to the highest achievable levels, a culture that embraces change and the capacity to scale our business to new levels of performance. Our team is excited about these changes, and I'd like to extend my congratulations to Dustin and Kristin on their new roles. Moving on to our financial performance. During the fourth quarter of 2023, we achieved earnings per share of $1.7.
This brings our full-year earnings to $4.81 per share, surpassing our 2025 EPS goal set in 2022 by 39%. While favorable market conditions supported this achievement, we firmly believe in the sustainability of our execution, as well as the repeatability of this level of financial performance. We are showing higher levels of financial performance through all phases of the cycle, and we are confident that when the market conditions strengthen for our customers, we will achieve financial performance that exceeds 2023.
Turning our attention to market conditions and backlog, new order activity during the fourth quarter allowed our twelve-month backlog to increase sequentially to $1.6 billion. During more normalized mid-cycle environments, it's typical to see new order activity stretch into the first quarter of the year, as we expect to see in 2024. With freight rates having contracted for now 24 months.
We're watching capacity exit the transportation space. Moreover, as macro destocking activity abates, this has historically alleviated pressure that we've seen on the manufacturing sector. In addition to these corrective factors, the combination of a relatively strong labor market, sustained consumer spending, and cooling inflation supports the likelihood of an economic soft landing, particularly considering potential interest rate cuts on the horizon.
It seems clear that the transportation space has already experienced a lengthy recession, and although industry participants will likely be shy about making bold predictions about the timing of a rebound, the freight down cycle seems unlikely to last through the entirety of 2024. Wabash is well prepared to accelerate as the winds of the market shift to our back and drive us forward.
Moving on to our financial outlook, we're initiating 2024 guidance with revenue in the range of $2.2 billion-$2.4 billion, with EPS of $2-$2.50. While this outlook is a moderation from our 2023 performance, it's important to note that the midpoint of our 2024 EPS guidance is in line with our results from 2022, and would be tied for the second-best annual financial performance in the company's history, which would easily be the best results achieved during a period of declining revenue.
At no time in Wabash's history have we had the balance sheet strength, the strategic vision, and the collective will to decisively continue our programmatic march through the headwinds of a difficult market.
In closing, 2023 has been a year of both record financial achievement and strategic advancements for Wabash. This progress has readied us to deploy enhanced operational and manufacturing capabilities to support organic growth generated by the multitude of connections Wabash can make through our ecosystem.
Most immediately, leveraging digital transformation to connect a footprint of 78 dealer locations to create greater ease of customer access across the network to equipment, parts, and services. In the more immediate term, we expect to leverage our steady backlog to demonstrate our ability to post record downturn financial performance. As the freight market downturn transitions into an upswing, we are well prepared to capitalize on the potential market improvements anticipated in 2025 and beyond. With that, I'll hand it over to Mike for his comments.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Thanks, Brent. Beginning with a review of our quarterly financial results, in the fourth quarter, consolidated revenue was $596 million. During the quarter, we shipped approximately 10,075 new trailers and 4,075 truck bodies. Gross margin was 18.2% of sales during the quarter, while operating margin came in at 10.3%.
This represents year-over-year improvement of 380 and 150 basis points, respectively. Operating EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $76.8 million, or 12.9% of sales, which was a 230 basis point improvement versus the fourth quarter of the prior year. Finally, for the quarter, net income was $50.4 million, or $1.07 per diluted share.
From a segment perspective, Transportation Solutions generated revenue of $547 million, and operating income of $74.6 million, or 13.6% of sales. Parts and Services generated revenue of $55.2 million, and operating income of $10.1 million, or 18.4% of sales. Year-to-date, operating cash flow was $319 million, reflecting our strong financial performance. For the fourth quarter, $115 million of operating cash flow compared to $13 million of CapEx and $2 million of expenditures for revenue-generating assets, resulting in free cash flow generation of $100 million during the quarter.
I'd also like to call out that full-year free cash flow generation amounted to $216 million, even in a year when we invested a record of over $100 million of capital in our business.
Net leverage on trailing twelve-month operating EBITDA was 0.6 times, and during the fourth quarter, our credit rating was upgraded by Moody's, which followed another upgrade by S&P earlier in the year. Turning to capital allocation during the fourth quarter, we utilized $20 million to repurchase shares, invested $13 million in capital expenditures, and $2 million of expenditures for revenue-generating assets, and paid our quarterly dividend of $4 million.
For the full year, we invested $98 million in capital expenditures, $6 million in expenditures for revenue-generating assets, and allocated $67 million to repurchase shares while returning $16 million to shareholders via our dividend. Stepping back on share repurchases specifically, I'd like to call out that we've reduced our share count by approximately 25 million shares from the high-water mark on share count in 2014.
This equates to a reduction of about 35% of our share count since 2014. Looking over the last five-year period, we've repurchased 8.5 million shares, or about 15% of shares over that time period. Our capital allocation focus continues to prioritize capital expenditures above our annual maintenance CapEx spend of $20-$25 million in order to support our organic growth initiatives.
We are committed to maintaining our dividend, and then we anticipate continuing to evaluate opportunities for share repurchases as we have demonstrated the past five years, and M&A. Moving on to our outlook for 2024, we expect revenue of $2.2 billion-$2.4 billion, with a midpoint of $2.3 billion. This outlook is supported by a meaningful twelve-month backlog that has continued to see new order activity in January.
We continue to expect truck body, tank trailers, and Parts and Services to serve as stabilizing forces in 2024 as market conditions remain stronger in those businesses relative to dry vans. Additionally, these businesses have and will continue to benefit from organizational focus and execution. Tank trailers and truck bodies have both experienced improved volumes as we act on the business through our Wabash Management System.
Additionally, Parts and Services is receiving considerable organizational strategic focus as we seek to grow the segment's revenue by 20% in 2024, to continue building a broader base of recurring revenue and, of course, pull through the accretive margins that come with it. From an operating income perspective, we expect to generate $163 million at the midpoint, or approximately 7%.
This results in an EPS outlook of $2-$2.50 per share, with a midpoint of $2.25 per share. I'd like to mention that in 2024, we expect to see about $6.5 million of expenses for our Wabash Marketplace joint venture run below operating income. Since we announced this JV with Fernweh Group on our Q3 call, we have named Sid Sarangi as Managing Director of the Wabash Marketplace.
Sid comes with a diverse leadership background, scaling tech within large businesses, and we're thrilled to have him lead an entity charged with rapid growth and digitally enabled recurring revenue. Moving on to capital deployment expectations for 2024, we anticipate traditional capital, capital investment to be between $70 and $80 million in 2024 as a result of planned expenditures to support our strategic growth initiatives.
We also expect to invest in CapEx that will be immediately revenue generating through our Trailers-as-a-Service program. As a reminder, we do break out investment in TaaS separately and will continue to give visibility to our capital allocation to that program as it grows. At this point, we expect our investment in that program to grow year-over-year, and we'll give more specific guidance as the anticipated full year figure comes into focus.
As a reminder, it's typical for Q1 to be our lowest quarter in terms of revenue and EPS generation. Our expectation is for first quarter revenue to come in between $500 million and $550 million, and for EPS to be between $0.45 and $0.50 a share.
In summary, I'm extremely proud of our Wabash team for generating 2023 results that exceeded our 2025 financial plan two years ahead of schedule. This achievement is a testament to our team's dedication and strategic execution. Looking ahead, we expect to maintain this momentum with improved financial performance at all phases of the cycle as we focus on our strategic growth initiatives to provide more sticky revenue in verticals that reinforce and complement our core equipment business.
As we enter 2024, which we expect to be a year of transition, we're poised to demonstrate our resilience through less robust market conditions and continue pushing forward with strategic growth to position the company to surpass 2023's financial performance as this great market inevitably recovers. I'll now turn the call back to the operator, and we'll open it up for questions.
Operator (participant)
The floor is now open for your questions. To ask a question at this time, simply press the star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Again, to ask a question, simply press the star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll now take a moment to compile our roster. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Shlisky with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
Michael Shlisky (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Good morning, guys, and thanks for taking my questions.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Good morning, Mike.
Michael Shlisky (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
So you talked a little bit about some of the outlook for trailers for 2024 being, you know, meaningfully down. I think that's not a surprise. But then you also, you know, you had mentioned there could be a recovery in the works. You know, if you look at some of the industry forecasters, they're saying that the 2025 trailers could be almost a full snapback to where it was back in 2023, just you know, one year away here. I'm curious if you can tell us, you know, if you agree with that statement, could it be a complete snapback in 2025?
Can you comment on, you know, as long as rates or other metrics kind of get better by this summer, whether you can, you know, confidently say that's going to happen, or, would we need to see other things happen, like interest rates, et cetera, you know, kind of prior to becoming fully confident that we'll have a big increase here next year?
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah, Michael, great question. Obviously, no one has a complete crystal ball to what 2025 will be, but I'll attempt to unpack it from our point of view. I think absolutely there are initial signs within the market that it is beginning to heal and correct itself, and those should become much more measurable and, I would say, verge on materiality in the results of our customers, probably by midsummer.
Now, clearly, that is, that hinges on continuation of the prevailing thought that we'll see interest rates actually reduce in, you know, we'll say after March, based on the most recent feedback from the Fed. I think we want, you know, obviously, that means that the current status quo from a geopolitical standpoint doesn't materially change in that time period.
But I think the things that the US economy is acting on sets us up for a much better 2025. Now, I think the definition of a snapback is still needs to be unpacked. You know, can we see, and should we see, a significant demand difference in 2025? I believe that to be the case. Is it a step function change, you know, moving into necessarily those first few months of 2025? I would probably pull back a little bit on that. But I think what you will see is. I think we're sitting in a position where we have a different perspective on the market going into 2025.
I think you'll see that robustness build throughout 2025, and I think it can be material. And, you know, we are planning our business based off of that being the most probable outcome at this moment.
Michael Shlisky (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Thanks so much, Brent, for that color. Maybe I can follow up with a question for Mike then. I mean, on the free cash outlook for 2024, you've kind of, you've obviously given us a lot of the pieces here already, but I'd be curious about working capital. If you're fairly confident as a company that you'll see some increases in 2025 versus 2024, do you feel like you're still going to keep a pretty high level of, you know, working capital to end the year here?
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Yeah, that would obviously depend on the seasonality you would see in the demand profile, what would happen with working capital at year-end. But, we would expect, obviously, with a little bit of a, of a revenue, step back from 2023 to 2024, we'd expect to see either the same or slightly less working capital in 2024. So it should be an enabler to free cash flow. We tend to see that. So we would expect another strong year of free cash flow in 2024, depending on what we need to do to ramp up into 2025. But, we would not expect to see an increase in working capital unless 2025 snaps back really early in the year.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah. I think it's a mix of factors. Yeah, you know, there is the, you know, the reduction in working capital going into 2024. There'll be some relative increase to prepare for 2025, but at the same time, you have to integrate in. Supply chains are getting better. We're moving away more and more from the increased safety stock and raws. So, you know, there's a lot to integrate there. So I echo Mike, there's a lot of factors that go in that says it really shouldn't be a big deal moving into 2025.
Michael Shlisky (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Great. Maybe one last one for me, about reefers in 2024 and 2025. I didn't hear much about that in your prepared comments. I know you've got the new launch in Minnesota going and other new products launching. Can you give me an update as to whether you think reefers will be a material driver to help stabilize business in 2024 and a real growth driver for 2025? Just the kind of broad timeline of how that stuff might roll out.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
I think every aspect of our strategic product portfolio will be a driver in 2025, as we do that. I don't think it's just on the Reefer side. It will continue to be a growing part of our overall portfolio, as well as we'll see it from Dry Vans. We'll see Platforms pick up significantly from where we'll be in 2024. Truck Bodies are going to be coming off of a very stable environment, with a growing demand profile in 2025, with Parts and Services just complementing it all. So I feel pretty good about all those different product lines and service capabilities in 2025.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Yeah, I agree. I just want to add that there's two pieces that are important, and Brent hit on them, but just to reiterate. There's the growth we'll see in 2025, but there's also the stabilizing effect we're seeing in 2024, which reefers definitely check that box with what we've done in Minnesota, and so do truck bodies, parts, and tanks. It really has helped provide stabilization in the earnings profile.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah.
Michael Shlisky (Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst)
Great. I appreciate the call, and I'll pass it along. Thank you.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Thanks, Mike.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from the line of Justin Long with Stephens. Please go ahead.
Justin Long (Managing Director of Equity Research)
Thanks, and good morning. Maybe to start with a question on the guidance, you provided the outlook for the first quarter, Mike. Obviously a pretty big step down from an earnings perspective versus what we just saw in the fourth quarter, and I know there's some seasonality, but I was just curious if you could speak to kind of any other drivers sequentially that are causing that, that pressure in earnings.
And as you think about the quarterly cadence of EPS over the remainder of the year, is 2Q to 4Q, do you think that cadence looks like those quarters look pretty similar, or is this a ramp over the course of the year? Is there any more color you can give us on that front?
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Yeah, sure. I'll start with that one first. The Q1 is typically the lowest quarter of the year in a normal seasonality year for us, and so we're going to see that. So you'll obviously see a step up in the other three. And right now, with the caveat, we have we want to see when 2025 is going to really start to pull, but for now, we believe the calendarization of earnings in Q2 to Q4 will be relatively flat. Might be a little higher in Q2, but for the most part, I think it's going to be relatively flat in the last three quarters of the year. And then the step down from Q4 to Q1, again, not uncommon. We see that a lot.
It can be a low time for seasonal demand. There's going to be a little bit of year-over-year pricing in there, Q4 to Q1, but volume seasonality is the biggest driver.
Justin Long (Managing Director of Equity Research)
Okay, that's helpful. And, I guess kind of building on that question, one thing that you've talked about strategically, and I think, Brent, you mentioned this on the last call, is that your plan is to maintain headcount in this environment, despite trailer production moderating, and in doing so, that puts you in a better position to respond to the next upturn. So is there a way to think about the financial implications of that and, you know, what the kind of cost or earnings headwind is this year and the near-term pain you might be taking for the longer term gain?
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah. So let me frame it this way. When we think about headcount across the business, it is not one answer across the board. You have some aspects of the business, such as with truck bodies, that we'll be adding headcount and versus trailers, where we'll be looking at holding headcount. And we're not holding headcount in a manner which it is not underutilized or non-utilized labor.
We've been able to secure sales and a backlog and are filling in order to utilize that labor in a standard efficiency way. So right now, there would be little to no what I would call detrimental impact from a labor cost standpoint within our margins.
Most of the right sizing of Dry Van capacity has been through shifting volume to the added capacity that we brought online and then taking out our third shift, leveling the plant on a two-shift operation. What workforce we have shed has been on the temporary side, again, leaving our full-time workforce intact.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
The only thing I would add to that is, if you think about it, since we believe this is more of a short-term thing, there's some downtime in the plan as opposed to, you know, mass layoffs in the plan. That's, we're taking, we're normalizing that cost, as Brent mentioned, by taking some temporary downtime, because we believe it's going to come back, and we're trying to maintain that. That's how we handle that without having a significant cost change.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah. And then, you know, there's the added upside of how we manage the workforce today, and then throughout 2024, as we bring our, we've got more efficient, higher throughput, manufacturing capability for dry vans, at scale, with added demand as we prepare for 2025, really, what I want to say, allows us to utilize this headcount that we have in a really efficient way and not have to take on as much of the headcount, inefficiency as we move into and throughout 2025, right?
So it's really not about accepting added cost right now, it's about building capability to defer and prevent inefficiency in outer, we'll call periods and years.
Justin Long (Managing Director of Equity Research)
Okay. That's, that's really helpful. And I guess lastly, for me, I think the ACT forecasts have maybe been tweaked a little bit for 2024 on, on trailer production, but just based on the order season that you've seen thus far, I'm curious if you still feel those ACT forecasts are a good best guess at this point. And then just real quickly on the guidance, Mike, curious if that includes any impact from buybacks.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
No, the guidance does not include impact from buybacks. But, as far as ACT forecast, I think we feel like that's generally in the ballpark.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah. The customer behavior, customer sentiment, forward-looking views that they provide us are really right in line with where they were, even at the third quarter call, and are reflective of the general market. I think ACT is as right as they can be, based on the market.
Justin Long (Managing Director of Equity Research)
Okay, great. Thank you so much for the time.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Thanks, Justin.
Operator (participant)
Our next question comes from a line of Jeff Kauffman with Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Hey, good morning, everybody, and congratulations on lights out 2023.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
You know, I guess I want to follow up on the last question a little bit first, and then maybe talk about some of these, these other new businesses or new focuses. So in terms of looking at the guide, and I know we got to set the bar somewhere, so the ACT Research forecast has trailers coming down about 20%, for the year. Now, you had 44,000 trailers, give or take, this year.
But I would argue, you know, your production probably shouldn't come down in line with the industry because you were out, about 10,000 trailers worth of capacity in dry, and you were also out, you know, I don't know, 2,500 trailers in capacity in reefer as you were switching back to the other facility.
So in theory, as that capacity starts to come back, your production should not be down as much as the industry. So when I look at the implicit $2.2 billion-$2.4 billion in revenue that you are putting out there, I can do my own math, but it implies to me that you got trailers coming down about 10% on the transportation solutions business.
Is that a fair way to think about it, or am I thinking about something wrong? And then how do you look at 2024 and think about, "Okay, well, I got 10,000 trailer capacity units, newly made that I'm going to bring back, and I've got reefers I'm going to bring back." And how do you think about bringing that capacity back to the market?
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah. So, yeah, Jeff, I would say your, I'd say the thesis you're presenting is, we'll call it, in the ballpark of correctness.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Mm-hmm.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
We absolutely are growing market share as we sit here today in 2024, as we keep our relative trailer production in line with our existing headcount. It looks like we're able to do that, maintaining a price-leading position in the market, which is a very nice place to be. At the same time, bringing on, you know, we'll call it 10,000 units of, we'll call it capacity gain, in the dry van business.
And so we are doing the work today to build a backlog and a set of customer relationships that, you know, you can think about across the entire Dry Van manufacturing system, the ability of taking that demand, and we think the demand itself will be there without a real strain on the pricing environment in 2025, which is a big deal, right? So we're leading price.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Mm-hmm.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
We think there's going to be a market that allows that price to sustain, maybe even grow a little bit, and able to do it in an efficient way in 2025. And so we see that capacity being able to be utilized very efficiently. And, you know, as we want, our manufacturing strategy here is not to run the business at, you know, 105, 115% of straight time capacity.
You know, we want to run it at a much more efficient place going forward, while maintaining a pricing environment that is most advantageous and meeting the strategic needs of those core customers that call Wabash home. So there's a lot of things going together there, but it sets up well for 2025 and beyond.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Mm-hmm. Okay, and when do you think we start to see the push on the refrigerated trailer side with the new product?
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Great question, and I think it's still materializing over the next 24-36 months.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Yeah.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
We are, again, adding additional capacity, and that capacity seems to be being utilized well based off of the backlog we see in 2024, which is going to pressure us to add additional capacity. But that capacity is, we're going to acquire some new manufacturing technology that's in the process of being developed. So those two things have to coincide, but we are absolutely establishing more and more every day, the value proposition for the pricing that we believe that product deserves. And as long as that continues to go down that path, again, we'll be pressured to add capacity in outgoing years.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Just a reminder, it's not just trailers. We're seeing it in truck bodies, and we're seeing some growth in the truck body space, and we think there's other segments of truck body that EcoNex will play well in-
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah
Mike Pettit (CFO)
that we hope to bring to market soon.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah, and I'm glad Mike said that, 'cause I'm remiss, 'cause I, even internally, we want to frame it as it's really about cold chain technology scaling. It's not really about reefer vans per se.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Mm-hmm.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
To Mike's point, we're seeing opportunities that compete for capacity now in terms of total return to the business. That makes for interesting capacity allocation discussions right now.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
Okay, and then one last one, if I can. So separate from the manufacturing business, you have the parts and service business. You've brought on some partners to help push growth in that area. Is that a business that you think should grow in an industry environment that may be taking a respite in 2024 before it moves forward in 2025, 2026? Or is this more of an investment year in parts and service capability before we go back to higher industry volumes?
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Yeah, no, we believe we can continue to grow this year, Jeff, in Parts and Services, and we remain very confident in our investor day target of $300 million revenue by 2025 in that business. So we just finished it, 2020, 2021, 2023. So that glide path to $300 million would require us to grow in 2024 and then grow again in 2025. But we believe we've got quite a bit of runway just to capture some market that really is Wabash's rightful place to play in the trailer aftermarket space, and we're bringing that to bear in 2024, which we believe we can... One of the reasons we can grow in an otherwise softer demand environment.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Yeah, I think it's just, I think it's paramount to understand that, you know, Jeff, as we continue to grow in parts and services, we're not, we're not doing it in the same old blocking and tackling way, right? Competing, I would say, we'll call it with equal capability. The way that we're attacking the market is really going after it, the unserved areas in a, in a, quote, "underserved way," which allows us some, some blue ocean capabilities to grow, and that's all on purpose. There's no need to jump into the pool with everyone else. We need to find a new pool.
Jeff Kauffman (Partner of Transportation and Logistics Equity Research)
All right. Well, thank you for your insights, and congratulations on a fantastic year.
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Thanks, Jeff.
Mike Pettit (CFO)
Thanks, Jeff.
Operator (participant)
There are no further questions at this time. We now like-
Brent Yeagy (President and CEO)
Thanks, everybody, for joining us today. Look forward to following up with you during the quarter.
Operator (participant)
This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.