Q4 2023 Summary
Published Jan 10, 2025, 5:10 PM UTC- Ameriprise Financial is achieving high yields on new investments, currently a tad under 6%, with maturities around 3.5 years, which could drive strong net interest income growth.
- The company is proactively managing expenses, implementing actionable expense reduction initiatives, including $26 million in severance, with plans to maintain flat expenses in 2024, which should improve margins.
- Ameriprise is expanding into growth areas by focusing on opportunities in fixed income and credit in Asset Management, and by developing capabilities to capture growth in the RIA channel, potentially increasing market share.
- Challenges in the Asset Management segment, as the company reduced Portfolio Managers managing small levels of assets due to economic inefficiencies, indicating pressure in this business area.
- Significant client cash balances remaining idle with limited redeployment, implying clients are hesitant to invest and potentially affecting fee revenue from assets under management.
- Potentially reduced capital returns to shareholders, with the company returning 80% of free cash flow in 2023, down from 90%, and suggesting it may maintain this level in 2024, indicating less capital return to shareholders.
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Net Interest Income Outlook
Q: Can you provide guidance on net interest income expectations for 2024 and 2025?
A: Management expects net interest income in both 2024 and 2025 to be higher than in 2023 due to reinvestments at rates close to 6% and maturities of $3 billion in both years , ,. -
Asset Management Expense Reductions
Q: How are expense reductions in Asset Management impacting the business and flows?
A: The company proactively evaluated expenses, resulting in the reduction of 12 portfolio managers and closure of certain funds, impacting about $2 billion in assets , ,. Management believes these actions improve efficiency without significant negative commercial impacts ,. -
Cash Balances Redeployment
Q: What opportunities exist to redeploy substantial cash balances on the sidelines?
A: Clients hold over $82 billion in cash, about 8–9% of total client assets, nearly double the usual amount , ,. As rates normalize, these balances could reduce to 4–5%, offering opportunities for redeployment into higher-margin products like wrap accounts. -
AWM Margin Sustainability
Q: Can you sustain over 30% pretax margins in Asset & Wealth Management despite potential rate cuts?
A: Management is confident in sustaining margins above 30% in AWM, citing expected higher NII in 2024 and effective expense management ,. Variables like market conditions could impact margins, but they feel reasonably confident. -
Capital Return and Payout Ratio
Q: How should we think about the capital return trajectory and payout ratio going forward?
A: The payout ratio was 79% for the year ,. Management has strong capital return capacity and intends to continue at similar levels, adjusting opportunistically ,. -
Potential Reinsurance Transaction
Q: Any updates on potential reinsurance transactions in Retirement & Protection Solutions?
A: Management sees opportunities due to recent industry developments and believes the bid-ask spread is aligning, making a transaction more feasible ,. -
Bank Growth Expectations
Q: What are the expectations for growing the bank's assets in 2024?
A: The bank plans to increase assets at a slower pace, being more measured after a substantial shift, and will evaluate sweep balances to support growth. -
Expense Initiatives Beyond Asset Management
Q: Are there expense management initiatives outside of Asset Management, and what's the timeline?
A: Actions are already in place with benefits expected in 2024, aiming for flat expenses despite substantial investments; management has high confidence in execution. -
Technology Investments for Advisors
Q: What technology initiatives are in place to differentiate the Ameriprise platform?
A: The company offers integrated platforms including CRM, e-meeting capabilities, AI tools, and mobile/web functionalities, enhancing advisor efficiency and client engagement. -
New Money Yields on Cash
Q: What are the new money yields on the $3 billion rolling over, and what maturities are being invested in?
A: New investments are made at yields just under 6%, with maturities around 3.5 years. -
Comerica Cash Balances
Q: Why is Comerica Bank cash high as a percentage of assets, and will advisors redeploy it?
A: The high percentage is recognized, and there's an opportunity to reduce it as advisors guide clients to redeploy funds over the next six months ,. -
NII Expectations Clarification
Q: Is higher NII expected for all cash economics both on and off-balance sheet?
A: The earlier expectation of higher NII referred specifically to the bank; it's the bank's NII that's expected to be higher ,. -
Cash Trends in January
Q: Can you speak to cash trends seen in January and expectations for balances?
A: Cash levels have stabilized with a slight increase as of two days ago; seasonality effects are being observed ,. -
Investment Profile in RPS
Q: Can you provide an update on the investment profile of the Retirement & Protection Solutions book?
A: Investments have taken advantage of rate situations and are largely completed; a pickup is expected going forward from intercompany cash. -
Expense Allocation Among Segments
Q: What happened with the $15 million redeployment out of corporate into segments?
A: Adjustments were made to intercompany crediting rates to reflect current conditions, impacting net interest income among segments without affecting the overall company. -
Affiliation Options and RIA Growth
Q: How is the company approaching growth in the RIA channel?
A: Management is focused on developing distribution platforms and capabilities to engage the RIA channel, recognizing its growth. -
Balancing Expense Cuts and Flows
Q: Are expense reductions causing outflows, and how is this balanced?
A: Some outflows occurred due to proactive decisions to close or merge funds with low payback; management believes these actions are manageable and improve efficiency. -
Growth Areas in Asset Management
Q: Were growth areas identified during the Asset Management review?
A: Yes, opportunities were identified, particularly in fixed income and credit, where there's potential for greater market share. -
Interest in Third-Party Sidecars
Q: Is the company interested in risk transfers involving third-party sidecars?
A: Currently, this is probably not of interest, as such arrangements are typically for growth, and the company already has a large share. -
Margins in Asset Management
Q: Are you managing to historical margin targets in Asset Management?
A: Management is comfortable with current margin levels but acknowledges potential for increase depending on market conditions and expense control. -
Cash Level Stabilization
Q: What's the status of cash levels year-to-date?
A: Cash levels in sweep accounts have stabilized with a slight increase through two days ago; seasonal effects are being considered. -
Advisors' Client Cash Holdings
Q: Is there a reason clients' cash might not come to Ameriprise?
A: The cash is already at Ameriprise, held in money markets and brokerage CDs; over time, some may move into bank products being developed. -
Investment in RPS Portfolio
Q: Any color on reinvestments in the RPS portfolio and rate sensitivity?
A: Investments to capitalize on rate situations are complete; future pickup is expected from intercompany cash. -
Off-Balance Sheet Yield Compression
Q: Why did off-balance sheet broker-dealer yield compress, and when will it normalize?
A: Compression resulted from taking on $2.5 billion from Comerica, which will transition over the next six months, leading to rate increases ,. -
Reallocation Among Segments
Q: Can you explain the expense reallocation among segments?
A: Adjustments to intercompany crediting rates were made to reflect current conditions, affecting net interest income among segments but not the overall company. -
Advisor Platform Differentiation
Q: What technology initiatives help the platform stand out to advisors?
A: Integrated CRM, AI capabilities, and state-of-the-art systems enhance advisor efficiency and client engagement, differentiating the platform. -
Layoffs and AUM Impact
Q: Can you comment on the size of AUM affected by the layoffs of 12 PMs?
A: The layoffs impacted funds with about $2 billion in assets; most were related to strategic decisions on fund efficiencies.