Flushing Financial - Earnings Call - Q1 2025

Executive Summary

• Core profitability improved despite a GAAP loss: Core EPS was $0.23 vs GAAP EPS of ($0.29), driven by 12 bps GAAP and 24 bps core NIM expansion QoQ as cost of funds fell 22 bps; the GAAP loss reflects a non‑cash, non‑tax‑deductible goodwill impairment of $17.6M ($0.51/sh) with no impact on regulatory capital.
• Credit headwinds modestly worsened but remain manageable: NPLs rose to 69 bps of loans (from 49 bps in Q4’24) largely due to one multifamily relationship; criticized/classified loans increased to 133 bps, driven by one office credit that lost its primary tenant; NCOs were 27 bps, down from 28 bps in Q4’24.
• Liquidity and capital stable: Average deposits +6.8% YoY (+1.5% QoQ) to $7.56B; TCE/TA was 7.79% (vs 7.82% in Q4’24) with $4.0B of undrawn liquidity resources; dividend of $0.22/sh paid in Q1.
• Near-term catalysts: trajectory of NIM expansion (loan repricing and deposit costs), resolution of identified MF/office credits, SBA ramp and BOLI actions, and operating leverage vs expense growth guidance; management reiterated 2025 expense growth and tax rate ranges, with continued focus on remixing funding and contractual loan repricing through 2027.

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

• What Went Well

  • “GAAP and Core Net Interest Margins expanded by 12 and 24 basis points QoQ, respectively… cost of funds declining 22 bps to 3.13%,” highlighting tangible core spread improvement despite an inverted curve.
  • Average deposits grew 6.8% YoY and 1.5% QoQ; noninterest-bearing period-end deposits +5.9% YoY and +3.2% QoQ; uninsured and uncollateralized deposits remain low at 16% of total.
  • Loan repricing pipeline supports future NIM: ~$511M to reprice +171 bps in 2025, ~$706M +190 bps in 2026; management estimates +$9M 2025 and +$13M 2026 annualized NII from repricing, cumulatively ~$50M over three years.

• What Went Wrong

  • GAAP loss ($9.8M) from non‑cash goodwill impairment ($17.6M, $0.51/sh), overshadowing underlying core profitability; impairment had no regulatory capital impact.
  • Asset quality softened: NPLs rose to 69 bps (vs 49 bps in Q4’24), criticized/classified to 133 bps (vs 107 bps), tied to a multifamily relationship and an office credit (lost primary tenant).
  • Core noninterest expenses up 5.4% YoY (though down 1.9% QoQ); full-year 2025 noninterest expense expected to rise 5–8% as FFIC invests in branch expansion and SBA build-out.

Transcript

Operator (participant)

Welcome to Flushing Financial Corporation's Q1 2025 Operating Results Conference Call. Hosting the call today are John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Susan Cullen, Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Today's call is being recorded. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing star then zero on your telephone keypad. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two.

A copy of the earnings press release and slide presentation that the Company will be referencing today are available on its investor relations website at flushingbank.com. Before we begin, the Company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including as set forth in the Company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, to which we refer you. During this call, references will be made to non-GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance.

These non-GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with U.S. GAAP. For information about these non-GAAP measures and for a reconciliation to GAAP, please refer to the earnings release and or the presentation. I would now like to introduce John Buran, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an overview of the strategy and results.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Thank you, Operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us for our Q1 2025 operating and results conference call. As we entered 2025, the outlook was favorable with a better operating environment driven by the expectation of a strong economy, the potential for future rate cuts by the Fed as inflation eased, and there were signs that the yield curve would regain a positive slope. Unfortunately, the Q1 did not play out this way as the economy was still solid, but uncertainty about the outlook became the primary focus as the yield curve returned to inversion. Despite these challenges, we achieved important improvement in our operations as GAAP and Core NIM expanded to the 2.50 range, a level we have not seen since the of 2022.

For the Q1, the company reported a GAAP loss per share of $0.29 and core earnings per share of $0.23. The primary difference between the GAAP and core earnings is a non cash, non tax deductible goodwill impairment charge of $17.6 million or $0.51 a share. The impairment had no impact on tangible or regulatory capital. As a result, we have no goodwill remaining on the balance sheet. Our areas of focus are improving profitability, maintaining credit discipline and preserving strong liquidity and capital. While we recognize there's a lot more work to do, we're encouraged by the progress to date. I'll now turn it over to Susan to discuss our area of focus, including our contractual loan repricing that can substantially improve income over the coming years. Susan.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

thank you. John, our first area of focus is improving profitability. While this is expected to be a multi-year endeavor, we made progress in the first quarter as both GAAP and core net interest margins expanded quarter-over-quarter. We expect further net interest margin expansion as real estate loans contractually reprice higher. We are focused on improving our return on average equity over time. Slide 5 provides more detail on our net interest margin expansion. The GAAP and core net interest margins increased 12 and 24 basis points to 2.51% and 2.49%, respectively, in the first quarter. Liability repricing was a driver of the improvement as the cost of funds declined 22 basis points quarter-over-quarter compared to a 9 basis points decrease in average earning assets entering the Q1.

The yield curve regained a positive slope, but as the quarter closed this slope turned negative. A positively sloped yield curve will drive net interest margin expansion while a negatively sloped curve will make margin expansion more challenging. Our interest rate risk modeling shows a 100 basis point positive slope in the yield curve with the short and declining would benefit net interest income by about $1 million in the first year and $10 million in the second year. In the near term, the net interest margin is expected to be impacted by the shape of the yield curve, changes in the balance sheet mix and continued contractual repricing. The March NIM was not materially different from the NIM that's being reported. Slide 6 provides more detail on our deposits. Average deposits increased 7% year-over-year and about 1% quarter-over-quarter.

The loan to deposit ratio improved to 87% from 94% a year ago. The cost of deposits decreased by 19 basis points during the quarter and we continue to seek opportunities to lower deposit rates. Our deposit betas were also favorable during the quarter as interest bearing betas were 59% as rates declined, which is the same as when rates increased over the past cycle. Total CDs are $2.6 billion or 34% of total deposits at quarter end. Approximately $600 million of CDs with a weighted average rate of 4.16% will mature in the Q2. Current CD rates are 3.5-4.25%. Customer preference is for a 91 day product which has an APY of 4% followed by the one year CD at 3.85%. During the Q1 we retained about 80% of the maturing CDs with a weighted average rate reduction of 69 basis points going forward.

While there is possibly some benefit from CD repricing based on the current yield curve, we do not expect it to be significant. Average non-interest-bearing deposits increased 3% year-over-year but declined 2% quarter-over-quarter. As a percentage of total average deposits, average non-interest-bearing deposits were 11.3% compared to 11.8% a year ago. Non-interest-bearing deposits are a significant focus area as incentive plans have been revamped to emphasize further growth and deeper customer relationships. Checking account openings increased 5% year-over-year and 6% quarter-over-quarter. We continue to focus on shifting the deposit mix and reducing the overall cost. Slide 7 provides more detail on the contractual repricing of the loan portfolio for the remainder of 2025. About $511 million of loans are due to reprice 171 basis points higher than the current coupon using the March 31st index.

In 2026 about $706 million is due to reprice 190 basis points higher with the last sizable portion repricing in 2027 where nearly a billion dollars of loans are due to reprice about 168 basis points higher. Repricing in 2025-2027 is largely based on the five year Federal Home Loan Bank of New York advance rates plus a spread. During the Q1 there were about $148 million of loans that were scheduled to reprice approximately 194 basis points higher based on the year end index values. Approximately 88% of these loans remained with the bank and repriced 210 basis points higher. Over 91% of these loans are current while approximately 9% are less than 30 days delinquent. All else being equal, we expect loan repricing to drive net interest margin expansion with an annualized $9 million of interest income in 2025 and $13 million in 2026.

Over the three year period, these loans will cumulatively add approximately $50 million of interest income. Slide 8 highlights our second area of focus which is maintaining credit discipline. As we have discussed over the past several quarters, we have a low risk and conservative loan portfolio. Over 90% of the loan portfolio is secured by real estate with an average loan to value less than 35%. We have a long history of low levels of credit losses. One of our key strategic initiatives is enhancing our relationship pricing focus and we are beginning to see results. Slide 9 depicts our net charge off history compared to the industry since 2001. As you can see, our underwriting has outperformed over time, often by a wide margin. Our conservative credit culture has been proven in many rate and economic cycles and our commitment to our low risk credit profile is unwavering.

Our two largest portfolios are multifamily and investor commercial real estate and these portfolios have a combined debt service coverage of 1.8 times. When we stress test this ratio for higher rates and increased operating expenses, the DCRs are still strong at 1.4 times, as shown on slide 10. Our level of noncurrent loans to total loans is also favorable compared to the industry not only recently but for the past 24 years. This is primarily due to our conservative underwriting. Our borrowers have a low leverage with an average loan to value of less than 35% on our real estate portfolios and high cash flows. Debt coverage ratios of 1.8 times. For our multifamily and investor commercial real estate portfolios, we have a minimal amount of loans with an LTV greater than 75%.

With more than a third of these loans having mortgage insurance, we remain comfortable with our conservative underwriting. We'll continue to limit problem assets and ultimately limit loan losses. Slide 11 shows our allowance for credit losses by loan portfolio. Overall, our allowance for credit losses is 59 basis points of loans which is stable quarter-over-quarter. Criticized loans to total loans is a low 133 basis points and as previously discussed, the loss content in our portfolio is low. Given our conservative underwriting standards, all of these items keep us very confident that our low risk credit profile performs well over various economic cycles. Slide 12 outlines credit metrics at a more granular level for our multifamily portfolio.

This portfolio comprises 38% of gross loans and has strong credit metrics such as a weighted average loan to value of 42% and a weighted average debt coverage ratio of 1.8 times. Non-performing loans in this portfolio are only 101 basis points and criticized and classified are only 116 basis points. The average loan size is $1.2 million in this $2.6 billion portfolio. Overall, the portfolio is very granular and is conservatively underwritten. Slide 13 provides further context on the risk in our multifamily portfolio in comparison to peers. As of December 31st, 2024, our criticized and classified multifamily loans were only 102 basis points which is below the median of the peer group. At the end of the Q1 this ratio was 116 basis points.

Multifamily reserves criticized the classified multi loans were 51% which is above the median of the peer group in the Q4 and this ratio was 43% in the Q1. 30 to 89 day past dues in our multifamily loan portfolio are only 11 basis points. During the Q1, over $64 million of loans were scheduled to reprice or mature. Approximately 96% of the loans remained with the bank and repriced 267 basis points higher to a weighted average rate of 6.59%. Nearly 100% of these loans are current. This is a testament to our borrowers and our conservative underwriting standards. With these credit metrics we see limited risk and loss content on the horizon. Slide 14 provides an overview of our investor commercial real estate portfolio which is 29% of gross loans.

The investor commercial real estate portfolio has 34 basis points of non-performing loans and 175 basis points of criticized and classified loans. Our exposure to office loans is small at 3% of gross loans. There are two non-performing loans in the office portfolio and a total of three that are criticized and classified. These metrics provide a clear representation of a conservative investor commercial real estate portfolio. On slide 15 we discuss our last area of focus, which is to preserve strong liquidity and capital. We have ample liquidity with $4 billion of undrawn lines and resources. At the end of the quarter, average deposit growth was nearly 7% year-over-year and 2% quarter-over-quarter. Uninsured and uncollateralized deposits remained low at 16% of total deposits. The company and the bank remained well capitalized.

Our tangible common equity to tangible assets was stable at 7.79% quarter-over-quarter. We feel very good about our liquidity and capital positions. I will now turn it over to John.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Thanks Susan. Slide 16 provides detail on our Asian markets which account for about one third of our branches. We have approximately $1.3 billion of deposits and $738 million in loans in these markets. These deposits are 17% of total deposits and we only have a 3% market share of this $40 billion market, implying that there's substantial room for growth. We expect to expand our branch network in these markets during 2025, with our Jackson Heights branch opening in early May and a second Chinatown branch later this year. Our Asian markets, with its dense population, high number of small businesses, continues to be an important opportunity for us and one that we believe will drive our success in the future.

Our approach to this market is supported by our multilingual staff, our Asian Advisory Board, and participation sponsorship of cultural activities. Slide 17 outlines the operating environment, which has shifted considerably this quarter. The spread between the 5 year FHLB advance and the 3 month SOFR rate turned negative during the quarter compared to a positive spread entering 2025. The spread is a good indicator of how our net interest margin will tend to trend in the future. While we have some opportunities to lower deposit costs, this is going to be more challenging without a reduction in short term rates. On the other hand, our real estate portfolio should continue to reprice higher over the next three years. With our focus on remixing the balance sheet, the company should experience NIM expansion over time.

We're executing on our new business initiatives. End demand deposits increased nearly 6% year-over-year and 3% quarter-over-quarter. This product remains a high priority for the bank. Our SBA team is also ramping up as we sold about $5 million of loans during the quarter and the pipeline continues to build. We're also looking to selectively hire and last week announced the addition of a new deposit focused team with three bankers. While the operating environment has become less favorable, we're focusing on what we can control and investing in the business to drive future profitability. Slide 18 provides our high level perspective on performance in the current environment. I'll start by saying that the Q1's trends are largely consistent with expectations and the outlook has not significantly changed for the remainder of the year.

At this point, we still expect stable assets for the year and loan growth will be market dependent. There's a continued emphasis on improving the mix of interest earning assets and liabilities. There are some opportunities to reprice deposits and loans with contractual loan repricing providing the best opportunity to generate net interest margin expansion absent a change in the yield curve.

I'll remind you some deposit products have seasonality in the summer months. Non-interest income should be aided by the closing of back-to-back swap loans in the pipeline and the benefits of a BOLI 1035 exchange. Non-interest expense is expected to increase approximately 5-8% in 2025 off a base of approximately $160 million. While we had about $1.6 million of seasonal expenses in the Q1, this was largely offset by other adjustments that are not expected to occur in the Q2. We expect a 25-28% effective tax rate for the remainder of 2025. Slide 19 outlines our key takeaways. While the environment has shifted to less favorable, we're controlling what we can control and executing on our three areas of focus.

We're progressing in improving profitability as the GAAP and core net interest margin expanded 12% and 24 basis points quarter-over-quarter. We continue to expect to benefit from contractual loan repricing through 2027. We have a very well defined credit discipline which is conservative and low risk. While there was some slight softening in the credit metrics this quarter, we remain comfortable with our underwriting and level of our liquidity and capital remain strong. While there's some uncertainty in the economic outlook, we'll stick to these areas of focus and improve the financial performance of the company over time. Operator, I'll turn it over to you to open the lines for questions.

Operator (participant)

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Once again, please press star then one to ask a question. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Chris O'Connell from KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Hey, good morning.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Good morning, Chris. Excuse me, I'm sorry.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

All good. I got the, you know, expense guide unchanged. Was hoping to just, you know, get some color around the, you know, the puts and takes on the adjustments that offset the seasonal uptick and just maybe a [inaudible] to get to the guide for the rest of the year.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Chris, the guide for the rest of the year will be based off the 5%-8% off the $160 million rough and tough from last year. We should have a run rate very similar to what we had in this quarter for every quarter thereafter.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay, got it. I guess, you know, what were the adjustments that were offsetting the seasonal expenses this quarter?

Susan Cullen (CFO)

There were some adjustments made based on year end accruals that needed to be trued up as we started the new year.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay, so some, you know, mostly all in the compensation, correct?

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Yes, as is most of our seasonal expenses. You know, what you're seeing there is, you know, a pretty good run rate.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay. Yep, got it. You know, just, you know, hoping to get, you know, a little bit of info on the multifamily uptick in the NPLs and just, you know, the office credit driving the uptick in the criticized classified.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Sure. The multifamily loan is one relationship that consists of three loans that have an LTV of about 43%. We have a borrower that we're working with and hopefully we should have those resolved in relatively short order. The office building loan, the largest tenant moved out. There's been a lot of activity on that building. There are several condos in that they own. The office building is condos within a bigger office building, just to be clear. There's been a lot of activity on seeing that new space. We have again, a willing borrower and we're working on resolving that loan, which will probably happen by the end of the—I can't believe we're at the end of the Q1 already—at the end of the Q2.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay, got it. Do either of those have.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Yeah, we have the mortgage on the condo, just to be clear.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay, great. Do either of [crosstalk].

John Buran (CEO and President)

[crosstalk] Yeah.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Specific reserves are not needed given the LTVs.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

On the multifamily loan. Yes. Relationship, I should say.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

What’s that level?

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Pardon me?

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Yes, as in there.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

I didn't hear you, Chris.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Specific reserve.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

No, there's no specific reserve. Given that the LTV on this relationship is 43%, you know, there's no forecasted loss on this relationship.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay. And then on the three business loan net charge offs. Was hoping to just get any info on those and then, you know, I guess high level thoughts. I think it's been two or three quarters with relatively similar C&I charge offs from that category. Just high level thoughts on where the run rate or where the typical kind of loss rate is that you think will be on that portfolio longer term.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Those loans again, I know I felt like a broken record. Had individual issues related to one of them. Had some fraud involved in the underwriting or not in the underwriting, excuse me, in the application, et cetera. The other ones were longer term credits that just, you know, ran into problems. One of them is a consulting firm that had a lot of contracts with the federal government. You know, we still are very confident in that portfolio. We have a lot of allowance allocated against that portfolio. We do not see much else in the way of charge offs at this time, that is not. That are not fully reserved for. I do not know if John, if you want to add any other color to that.

John Buran (CEO and President)

No, I think you pretty well covered it.

Chris O'Connell (Director of Equity Research)

Okay, great. I will step out for now. Thank you.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Thanks, Chris.

Operator (participant)

The next question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Hey guys, good morning.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Good morning, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Mark, Susan, you had talked about the expectations the margin would expand in the Q2 and I heard the sort of the puts and takes on that. I guess I was wondering if you could help us think about the magnitude of the margin expansion maybe in the Q2.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Given the interest rate volatility such that meaningfully margin predictions are hard to come by. We provide you the components, Mark, with the ins and the outs. You can see how if you take the fourth quarter deck and this quarter deck, you can see what's already repriced. Our CD rates are 3.5%-4.25%, which is a little bit lower than what we have. Loan growth is viewed as limited. I think we just have some ins and outs. I do not think that I can give you any fair quantification at this time.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay.

John Buran (CEO and President)

The other thing is the Mark is the repricing of the CRE portfolio, which we view as probably the most significant, significant opportunity, especially given the current rate environment. The current rate environment stays stable. You know, there's quite a bit of increase associated with net interest income on that portfolio.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay. On the CD repricing, the $602 million of CDs that you say have an average rate of 4.16%. When I look at your posted rates on iGO and Fidelity and some of the other platforms you guys are out on, the three and six month CD rates you're offering are 4.25%. So they're actually higher than, than that 4.16% level.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Actually, May 1, it's coming down to four.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Gotcha. Okay. Secondly, John, I wonder if you could talk a little bit about how the Asian community is managing through the tariff situation and if there's any types of lending that you know could be problematic as a result of what's going on with the tariff situation.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Remember, this is a community that's very, very tight. There isn't really a lot of room for, you know, significant changes or substitution of product, et cetera, et cetera. You know, we think that first of all, let me say that we don't have any exposure, any direct exposure to trade. You know, we don't do any sort of trade financing. Even within our portfolio, as you know, we've tended to have a portfolio that is very, very much real estate focused. You know, while there may be some price increases for some goods within this, within this community, there's very little desire for substitution. We're not expecting a major impact given that our business is really very much domestically focused.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Real estate focused.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay. The last question I had, it looked like now balances were up a lot in the quarter. I was wondering if there was some change or some reason why they surged.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Much, some seasonality associated with that.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay, in what business?

John Buran (CEO and President)

It's predominantly the government business, although we've seen it also in business banking as well. I'll remind you that in the summer months, you know, some of the seasonality gets reversed.

Mark Fitzgibbon (Managing Director and Head of FSG Research)

Okay, great, thank you.

Operator (participant)

Just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Steve Moss with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Morning, Steve.

Steve Moss (Managing Director)

Good morning.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Hello, Steve.

Steve Moss (Managing Director)

Hey, Susan. John, maybe just most of my questions have been asked and answered, but on the SBA pipeline you mentioned, John, just kind of curious, you know, how that's building and kind of how you're thinking about the level of gain on sale income potential for the remainder of the year.

John Buran (CEO and President)

We really don't give guidance on that. But you know, basically what we, what we've seen, some of the, some of the activity has been in the 504 area. You know, real estate based lending of the term loans. We're getting like 7-7% type of premiums on sale.

Steve Moss (Managing Director)

Okay, got you. Just in terms of, just on the credit front here, I hear you guys that, you know, the loans are well reserved and, you know, good to hear that there's activity on the office loan. Kind of curious, you know, you had three quarters of charge offs here at this point. You know, why maybe should we expect to see some level, even modest, of reserve build going forward or do we hold right around this 59 to 60 basis point level here going forward?

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Steve, I think given the uncertainty in the environment, you know, once there's finalization over the tariffs, I would expect to see some reserve build.

Steve Moss (Managing Director)

Okay, great. Those are my two main questions. I really appreciate the color there. Thank you very much.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Thanks, Steve.

Operator (participant)

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Buran for any closing remarks.

Susan Cullen (CFO)

Thank you.

John Buran (CEO and President)

Thank you, Operator. Want to thank you all for your attention, your participation, and look forward to speaking with you in the future. Have a good day.

Operator (participant)

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