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HARLEY-DAVIDSON, INC. (HOG)·Q4 2024 Earnings Summary

Executive Summary

  • Q4 2024 was deliberately soft as HOG cut wholesale shipments to de-stock dealer channels; consolidated revenue fell 35% to $688M and diluted EPS was a loss of -$0.93, driven by a 47% revenue decline at HDMC and negative gross margin at the motor company .
  • HDFS partially offset with revenue growth (+4% YoY) but operating income fell 20% on higher credit loss provisions; LiveWire reduced operating losses versus prior year but remains a drag .
  • 2025 guidance is cautious: HDMC revenue flat to down 5% with 7–8% OI margin, HDFS operating income down 10–15%, LiveWire 1,000–1,500 units and an operating loss of $70–$80M; HDI EPS flat to down 5% and capex $225–$250M .
  • Management emphasized inventory normalization (30%+ reduction expected in H1’25), cost productivity ($100M targeted in 2025, $257M delivered cumulative to date), and continued touring product strength as key drivers for mid-term margin recovery .

What Went Well and What Went Wrong

What Went Well

  • Touring product strength and share gains: U.S. Touring market share reached ~74.5%, with retail Touring/Trike/CVO up >8% for 2024; management called the redesigned Street Glide/Road Glide a primary strategic win underpinning Hardwire priorities .
  • Cost productivity progress and cash generation: $1.1B cash from operations in 2024; cumulative productivity savings reached $257M, with ~$100M further targeted in 2025 .
  • Dealer inventory actions: Year-end dealer inventory of new motorcycles down >4% YoY and ~19% below Q3 sequentially, setting up for improved dealer health and 2025 seasonality .

What Went Wrong

  • HDMC margins and volumes: Q4 HDMC gross margin was -0.8% and operating loss was -$214M on 53% shipment decline; mix and negative operating leverage outweighed pricing benefits .
  • Consolidated P&L pressure: Q4 operating loss of -$193M and net loss attributable to HDI of -$117M; consolidated revenue down 35% YoY as wholesale shipments were cut more than retail .
  • Credit costs and macro headwinds: HDFS operating income fell 20% YoY on higher credit loss provisions and borrowing costs; management cited higher payments, inflation, and normalized used values pressuring recoveries .

Financial Results

Consolidated Performance vs Prior Quarters

MetricQ2 2024Q3 2024Q4 2024
Revenue ($USD Millions)$1,619 $1,151 $688
Operating Income ($USD Millions)$241 $106 ($193)
Diluted EPS ($USD)$1.63 $0.91 ($0.93)

HDMC Margins & Revenue vs Prior Quarters

MetricQ2 2024Q3 2024Q4 2024
HDMC Revenue ($USD Millions)$1,349 $876 $420
HDMC Gross Margin (%)32.1% 30.1% -0.8%
HDMC Operating Margin (%)14.7% 6.3% nm

Segment Breakdown

HDMC Revenue Components ($USD Millions)Q3 2024Q4 2024
Motorcycles$616 $231
Parts & Accessories$174 $118
Apparel$56 $54
Licensing$4 $4
Other$27 $13
Total HDMC Revenue$876 $420
HDFSQ2 2024Q3 2024Q4 2024
Revenue ($USD Millions)$264 $269 $257
Operating Income ($USD Millions)$71 $77 $46
LiveWireQ2 2024Q3 2024Q4 2024
Electric Motorcycle Shipments (units)158 99 236
Revenue ($USD Millions)$6 $5 $10
Operating Loss ($USD Millions)($28) ($26) ($26)

KPIs (Q4 2024)

KPIQ4 2024
Global Motorcycle Shipments (HDMC, units)14,010
Global Retail Sales (units)25,660
North America Retail (units)15,127
EMEA Retail (units)4,749
APAC Retail (units)5,025
Latin America Retail (units)759
Cash from Operations (FY 2024)$1.064B
Share Repurchases (FY 2024)$450M (12.5M shares)
Effective Tax Rate (FY 2024)14%
Cash & Cash Equivalents (YE 2024)$1.590B

Guidance Changes

MetricPeriodPrevious GuidanceCurrent GuidanceChange
HDMC RevenueFY 2024 (as of Q3)Down 14–16% YoY
HDMC OI MarginFY 2024 (as of Q3)7.5–8.5%
HDFS Operating IncomeFY 2024 (as of Q3)Up 5–10% YoY
LiveWire UnitsFY 2024 (as of Q3)600–1,000
HDMC RevenueFY 2025Flat to down 5% New (cautious)
HDMC OI MarginFY 20257–8% New (below mid-teens target)
HDFS Operating IncomeFY 2025Down 10–15% New (lower)
LiveWire UnitsFY 20251,000–1,500 New (higher units, lower loss)
LiveWire Operating LossFY 2025($70)–($80)M New (improving loss)
HDI Diluted EPSFY 2025Flat to down 5% New (cautious)
Capital InvestmentsFY 2025$225–$250M Maintained
DividendQ4 2024$0.1725 per share Declared

Additional context from the call: OpEx expected flat to slightly down in 2025 with ~$100M incremental productivity savings; EPS headwinds include higher tax rate, lower interest income, lower other income; share repurchases planned at $350M in 2025 under the $1B program .

Earnings Call Themes & Trends

TopicPrevious Mentions (Q2 2024)Previous Mentions (Q3 2024)Current Period (Q4 2024)Trend
Inventory & Wholesale CadencePlan to reduce dealer inventory ~30% in H2; balance retail/wholesale for 2024 Dealer inventory down 13% seq.; aim ~20% further reduction; balance retail/wholesale 149–153k units H1’25 wholesale down double digits to cut dealer inv. >30%; back half up; end-2025 inventory down >10% Continued de-stocking; front-loaded reductions
Margins & Cost ProductivityGross margin pressure from pricing/FX; productivity excluding leverage targeted to $400M; $50M delivered YTD Gross margin down; $84M productivity YTD; reiterate $400M target excluding leverage $257M cumulative productivity to date; target ~$100M in 2025; aim double-digit OI margin in 2026 Building savings; margin recovery deferred to 2026
Touring Product & Market ShareU.S. Touring share up; strong reception to redesign Touring strength; share gains despite macro pressure 2024 U.S. Touring/Trike/CVO retail up >8%; H-D Touring share ~74.5% Sustained product-led share gains
Macroeconomic/Interest RatesHigh rates pressure big-ticket demand Consumer pause; macro uncertainty; weather impacts Affordability issues; expect choppier H1’25; cautious EPS outlook Persistent headwind; cautious near term
Regional TrendsAPAC softness (China); EMEA mixed; U.S. slightly positive EMEA -23% retail; APAC -16% with Japan weak; ANZ positive APAC -26% in Q4 (Japan/China weak), EMEA -7% (Germany weak); NA -13% International remains weak
HDFS/Used ValuesPortfolio reset at higher yields; losses normalizing Retail credit loss ratio 3.1%; reserves ~5.5% Annualized retail credit loss ratio 3.3%; reserve rate up to 5.7%; used values stabilizing Losses elevated but stabilizing
Tariffs/RegulatoryEU tariff relief extended to Mar-31-2025; FX headwinds EU BOI revocation risk; macro uncertainties EU tariff relief expiry risk; tariff uncertainty not in guidance Policy risk elevated into 2025
LiveWire StrategyCost cuts; triple-digit unit growth; cash burn reduction planned Guidance cut to 600–1,000 units; rightsizing; 40% cash burn reduction in 2025 2025: 1,000–1,500 units; ($70)–($80)M loss; maxi-scooter planned for H1’26 EU Narrowing losses; focused portfolio

Management Commentary

  • “The launch of our new Street Glide and Road Glide touring motorcycles contributed to nearly 5% growth in the U.S. Touring segment and drove H-D’s market share to 74.5% in ‘24.” — Jochen Zeitz .
  • “We are realistic and cautious… Hence, our guidance to flat retail sales for the year, positive performance skewed towards the second half.” — Jochen Zeitz on 2025 .
  • “Excluding the impact of leverage, we delivered approximately $24M in 2022, $123M in 2023, and $110M in 2024… We expect to achieve another $100M in 2025.” — Jonathan Root .
  • “We expect HDMC revenue to be flat to down 5%. We expect operating income margin to come in between 7% and 8%.” — Jonathan Root .
  • “We believe we have begun to see stabilization in used values after many quarters of decline.” — Jonathan Root (HDFS) .

Q&A Highlights

  • Inventory and seasonality: Management expects >30% dealer inventory reduction in H1’25, implying double-digit declines in wholesale in front half and a stronger back half; retail guided flat for 2025 .
  • Margin drivers: Q4 margin weakness was largely volume deleverage and retooling costs; 2025 OI margin uplift assumes pricing tailwind, OpEx favorability, less manufacturing headwinds, with FX/mix headwinds .
  • Dealer support and pricing: 2025 approach is more surgical by model; pricing strategy into 2025 positioned positively per dealer feedback .
  • HDFS outlook: Health of book acceptable; reserves increased modestly; expected 2025 headwind from lower assets and cost of funds dynamics .
  • LiveWire trajectory: Operating loss reduction planned; contribution margin positive targeted by year-end; maxi-scooter in H1’26 leveraging S2 platform and Kymco expertise focused on Europe .

Estimates Context

S&P Global consensus estimates were unavailable in this session due to a data request limit, so vs-estimate comparisons are not shown. Management noted Q4 revenue was “in line” with expectations while the margin miss was driven by volume deleverage and manufacturing costs; 2025 guidance implies sell-side models may need to reduce HDFS and consolidate EPS and margin assumptions given expected EPS flat to down 5%, HDFS down 10–15%, and FX/mix headwinds at HDMC .

Key Takeaways for Investors

  • Q4 was intentionally weak to reset dealer inventory; negative HDMC gross margin and consolidated loss reflect purposeful wholesale cuts more severe than retail trends—near-term pressure, but constructive for channel health into 2025 .
  • Touring franchise remains a bright spot with leading share and ongoing innovation; despite macro headwinds, this should underpin mix quality and mid-term margin recovery as volumes normalize .
  • 2025 is a transition year: HDMC OI margin guided 7–8%, EPS flat to down 5%, HDFS down 10–15%—position sizing should reflect back-half-weighted cadence and FX/mix risks .
  • Cost productivity and OpEx discipline are credible offsets; with ~$100M 2025 savings and inventory reductions, operating leverage could inflect in 2H’25, with double-digit OI margin targeted for 2026 .
  • Credit normalization appears to be stabilizing; HDFS reserve rates edged up, but used values have stopped deteriorating, reducing tail risk to credit losses .
  • Policy risk persists (EU tariffs after Mar-31-2025); potential FX headwinds and tariff scenarios are not baked into guidance—monitor EU negotiations and FX trends for downside/hedge implications .
  • Capital returns continue: $450M repurchased in 2024 and $350M planned for 2025 within the $1B program; dividend sustained ($0.1725 in Q4) supporting total shareholder return even as earnings consolidate .